Male Fox News guest to female Democratic consultant: “Know your role and shut your mouth”

[DonViejo]

Bill Cunningham also asked Tamara Holder, "Are you going to cry?"

BY DAVID BAUDER

A finger-pointing political argument on Fox News Channel boiled over when a male conservative talk show host shouted at a woman to “know your role and shut your mouth.”

The man, Bill Cunningham, later asked Fox contributor Tamara Holder, “Are you going to cry?”

Fox on-air personalities on Friday were talking about the exchange on Sean Hannity’s prime-time show the night before. Commentator Juan Williams concluded that Cunningham “obliterated the line” of civil discourse in his argument with Holder. The two had been brought on by Hannity to discuss whether Attorney General Eric Holder — no relation to Tamara — had committed perjury.

Cunningham, sitting next to Tamara Holder in a New York studio, called her “one of the stooges of the left that will always be there to excuse away criminal behavior.” He said she had the “incurable fatal condition of liberalism that caused people like Eric Holder to be the consulary of Barack Hussein Obama.”

full article
http://www.salon.com/2013/06/21/male_fox_news_guest_to_female_democratic_consultant_know_your_role_and_shut_your_mouth/

[Sunlei]

1. fox and salon push this media crap to show their Rs how to act for success in their world.

sub the woman for a Jewish person and the fox-Rs plan for some Americans looks the same as hitlers propaganda program. IMHO

[Rosa Luxemburg]

2. Fox should be taken off the air

sick

[TexasProgresive]

15. That's just it

Fux Snews is cable not broadcast so the FCC has little or no jurisdiction. Subscriber services like cable, satellite radio and TV are not regulated in any real way.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

36. A congressman or woman should put this forward

[TexasProgresive]

38. I'm not sure that is possible or if so, wise.

Since the services that bring FOX and others into your home are private corporations. There is no licensing required like for broadcast stations so the government has little leverage. If the government did enact legislation that allowed the censorship of FOX, what's to stop any administration from censoring thought you find agreeable?

[Rosa Luxemburg]

40. FCC should be able to monitor and enforce all media

I don't think FCC censors thought?

[TexasProgresive]

43. Remember the wardrobe malfunction?

CBS was fined 1/2 a million because it was broadcasted over the air. The content of broadcast TV is regulated that of cable not so.

[DFW]

3. Democrats need to save that video clip

In EVERY election, Dems should run an ad saying "Women, and we include you Republican women, you should know what Republicans think of you:"...and then run the clip.

[CBHagman]

4. "Shut up and do as you're told" pretty much sums up what the RW wants.

Of course "Shut up and do as you're told" only applies to anyone who disagrees with them. We've seen multiple examples of this lately, from Texas to Wisconsin to North Carolina.

That said, someone upthread opined that Fox ought to be taken off the air. Fox News is disgusting, but here in the U.S. we don't just shut newspapers or TV stations down. That's the activity of a dictator, and this is Democratic Underground, not Dictator Underground.

What we do need to do is shape the national dialogue, shift things, and that takes a lot of time and effort and skill, and people will try to stop us. But you knew that already.

[okaawhatever]

29. We need to return our journalism to the American citizens and hold

"news" channels accountable. Bring back the fairness doctrine and the bar of foreign ownership of the press. I'd like a legal definition and journalist. With privilege comes responsibility.

[southernyankeebelle]

6. If republican women don't see how the war on women will take toll on their daughters

futures, then I don't know what will. It is extremely sad that women like Marsha Blackburn of Tn holds the water for the men in her party and doesn't give a damn about women then women who vote for this ilk deserve what they get. The bad thing is we who don't want them are stuck with them also. Gosh I wish republican women would wake the hell up and stop this maddeness.

Women should call or write and tell the Fake News stations this isn't what a gentleman would do. Shame on them for having this person on air.

[B Stieg]

5. And his wife is a judge...

...Ohio Justice Penelope R. Cunningham.

Wonder how she feels about his "instructions"?

[liberalhistorian]

7. Based on the astounding

"blame the victim" posts on this thread yesterday, which were truly shocking to find here on DU, but, sadly, are becoming all-too-common in our increasingly openly and blatantly sexist nation, there are plenty of people here who would agree with that and who'd like to pat us little ladies on the head and say that to us. Unbelievable.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023059894

[leftyohiolib]

12. well we all know victims are always blameless for the consequnces of their actions and that it's

always the fault of someone else.

[liberalhistorian]

14. In the case of domestic violence, it is

ALWAYS the fault of the abuser. The abuser always has control over whether or not he beats the shit out of, or kills, his wife/girlfriend. Period. And thanks for proving my point. Jesus.

[leftyohiolib]

16. youre wrong - stop enabling

that way of thinking will ensure that they stay victims

[liberalhistorian]

23. Huh? So you are

saying that domestic violence victims are asking for it and the abusers just can't help themselves because the girls won't sit down and shut up and do exactly as they're told? Seriously?

And what about enabling the damned abusers by telling them it's the victim's fault? Good God, what the hell is happening to this place?

[BainsBane]

25. Astounding isn't it?

Like some members who are outraged that WHO dared to conduct a report on violence against women. Misogyny, sadly, occurs among the so-called left as well.

[leftyohiolib]

53. no, i am not saying that at all-it is never ok to hit anyone

[DainBramaged]

35. Really, that they are in their place?

I can see clearly now the rain is gone........

[Arkana]

44. You aren't actually inferring that domestic violence victims bring it on themselves, are you?

Because if you are, you don't belong here.

[7962]

45. I'm sure that was sarcasm. I hope.

[leftyohiolib]

54. no im not saying that at all either

[Zoeisright]

48. What the fuck is wrong with you?

If you even try to blame domestic violence on the VICTIM, you are completely mentally ill. The fault - ALL OF IT - lies with the abuser.

You obviously know fucking little about the real world, bucky.

[leftyohiolib]

55. the abuser shouldnt be abusing - women shouldnt be lining up to date aryans who

have been in prison for 2 murders , like I read here. I remember when the Melendez brothers were on trial hearing about the women who wanted to be with them, that is one stupid idea .
some men walk around with huge red warning signs on them that women ignore, but are picked up by their friends who try to warn them and what I was told is "you don't know him like I do" or "he usually not bad he's just(fill in any excuse)" and since women are easily over-powered by men they ought to be more careful about whom they date.
how do they do that? well for starters not dating people already in jail for violence

[mainer]

56. If women would stop reproducing with these jerks...

maybe civilization could advance.

If something (god forbid) happened to dear hubby, it would be one of my requirements for dating. "Must be non-smoking, no Republicans."

[lark]

47. Did you forget the sarcasm smilie?

I'd like to think that no one at DU actually thinks all victims are just whiners, as you seem to be saying.

[PatrynXX]

8. every time they use Barack's middle name in an insulting tone

they are insulting a good chunk of our allies. Republicans start wars we just attempt to end them but rather hard when they are still trying to start wars on tv bonk. Maybe that idiot is working for the Taliban.

[silvershadow]

9. She's supposed to be barefoot and pregnant? Not sure who he thought he was talking to. nt

[Aristus]

10. Another fuckup: Either he or the transcriptionist goofed on 'consulary'.

It should be 'consiglieri', and it should not be used by dipshits who don't know what the fuck they are talking about...

[leftyohiolib]

11. that's no way to talk to someone but hardly surprising.

she sign on with the he-man-woman-haters club, neaderthals with outdated views

[Lugal Zaggesi]

13. Why

are alcoholic belligerent Irishmen so stereotypical in their thinking ?

[chervilant]

49. Impossible to listen to that

loud, boorish man. Ick.

[tinymontgomery]

17. IMHO, she should have stood up

imho, she should walked off at the stooge remark (probably even before that). No one has to take that and she should have let him know it.

[WovenGems]

18. Nope

She should have punched him in the nose, knocking off the chair. When he stood up, she lands a right hook and down he goes. Then sit and say, calmly, "People, before insulting a woman ask her if her Golden Gloves brother taught her to box.".

[tinymontgomery]

20. I do like your solution a little better

then looked at him and asked " what are you going to do now, cry".

[mainer]

19. I made a foray into FreeRepublic to see what they're saying

They think Cunningham did just fine and dandy, and one of them commented that Cunningham should have "bitch-slapped" her.

Yeah, that's the way to win women's votes.

I can't tell you how PISSED OFF it makes me when a man says, "What, are you going to cry now?" That's even more offensive than the "shut up and know your place" comment.

[Ilsa]

26. Violent conservative men.

They see violence as the answer in handling women, children, and citizens of other countries. I wonder how many spouses of members of freeperland are living in women's shelters.

[rppper]

21. Well, it looks like it's time to start....

Calling Mr. Cunningham's advertisers on his radio and tv talk shows and let them know what we think about his little tirade....it's hurt bigger people than this little Maury/Springer wanna-be.....

[jwirr]

22. I wish I knew how to make him cry. He deserves it.

[BumRushDaShow]

24. Tell him to go comfort his buddy the weeper-in-chief

They're both born and raised in the Cincinnati area.

[jwirr]

32. Good idea - I had forgotten that.

[Captain Stern]

27. Who was the guest that said this.....'The Rock'?

"know your role, and shut your mouth" was one of The Rock's (Dwayne Johnson) catchphrases back when he was a professional wrestler in the WWE.

Ummmm....I only know this because it was on TV one time when I happened to be walking through the room with the TV in it. I remember it, because it was distracting me while I was reading Stephen Hawkings's 'A Brief History of Time".

[lakercub]

42. That's what I thought of too

I must have been reading my Hawking on a Monday Night the same as you. I can't think of any other way I would know this

[7962]

46. Just LOVE both the above comments! Me too.......

[certainot]

28. cunninham's feeling pain right now because the stoprush boycott is hurting RW radio. poor baby.

he's a RW radio blowhard protected from real calls by professional call screeners. and he probably, like all RW radio liars, takes plenty of paid callers.

sadly, there may be dozens of US universities that broadcast sports on his stations- thereby endorsing his global warming denial and ignorance and hate, like many RW radio bowhards.

[Hulk]

30. Consider the source...

We are talking about bill cunningham; a frustrated, angry little piece of sh!t, who HATES Democrats with a passion. He is on vannity's "beat the Hate-Obama-drum" show, and he goes off on Tamara Holder. Surprise, surprise. That little worm hasn't got the balls to say it to a man; and he is nothing but a sick, perverted loser. Sort of like michelle malkin on steroids.

[TexasTowelie]

31. I'd say that Fox News has dropped to new lows,

but they were already there.

[UCmeNdc]

33. Talk about the GOP War On Women!?

Nothing like taking the direct approach.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

34. This is what happens when liberals go after each other - It encourages people like this guy

As long as most of the elected officials in DC believe that the Patriot Act makes lawful what hadn't been before it existed, we won't win. But we can lose even more by not having eyes open in all directions. And women are under attack in nearly every state today. Even in a sophisticated, relatively socially liberal town like Newport Beach, despite being in CA, it attracts plenty of Koch Bros' money and might. You can see from the guy walking quickly shouting "Thank You Hoag", for eliminating elective abortions owing to a new partnership with a Catholic Hospital.

I'm quite visible in this video. I only just this minute noticed.

#at=98

And then there's Texas: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/23/texas-abortion_n_3487394.html

[duuser5822]

37. What a misogynistic pig!

About par for the course for Faux News these days.

[Initech]

39. Stay classy, Fox.

What a sexist piece of shit.

[awoke_in_2003]

41. I don't recognize this place anymore...

(America, that is). That being said, accusing her of being a liberal for supporting Holder is laughable.

[Jamaal510]

50. Wait a minute. Is this the same Bill Cunningham

who has that TV talk show that comes on every afternoon?

[calimary]

51. Next up on Fox News after the break, Paula Deen!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=517270

[mainer]

52. Looky here: even Washington Times condemns Bill Cunningham!

But I'm awfully suspicious about what nice things that rightwing rag has to say about Tamara Holder.

Right now liberal strategists are preparing campaign commercials perpetuating the mythical GOP war on women. Put Sandra Fluke and Tamara Holder on one side, and then splice in clips of Cunningham. Conservatives defending Cunningham will have as much success as Tamara Holder justifying the behavior of Eric Holder.

Rather than stand on principle, some conservatives have even tried to smear Tamara Holder with conspiracy theories that cross the line separating sane thought from lunacy. She has been accused of defending Eric Holder because they are related. He is not her father, uncle, or related to her in any way. Others have played the race card and claimed that she makes excuses for liberal blacks due to her 2006 sexual affair with Reverend Jesse Jackson. She vehemently denies having had an affair with him, and such smears are contemptible on so many levels.

Conservatives normally abhor boycotts, preferring to let the free market dictate behavior. Yet if conservatives are going to bash Hollywood and Washington liberals for sacrificing quality on the alter of ratings, they have to be open to the same criticism when guilty. People need to vote with their remote control. Hannity is a great program, but the next time Bill Cunningham is a guest, his carnival barking should be tuned out. A break for ten minutes to clean the bathroom grout would be more productive than listening to him.

Cunningham does not need a microphone. He needs either a sedative or a rubber room with white walls that he can share with Walsh, Chris Matthews, and others who confuse screaming personal attacks with constructive dialogue and discussion. The First Amendment gives them the right to yell at inanimate objects as sure as the drunk in the town square or the street vagrant unwilling to take prescribed medication. That same First Amendment also gives the rest of us the right to make moral stands such as calling out their bad behavior and then tuning them out altogether.

http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/tygrrrr-express/2013/jun/24/bill-cunningham-savages-tamara-holder/