Nancy Pelosi: Hillary Clinton Would Be More Prepared For White House Than Obama, Bush-Is she Right?

[Always Randy]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/22/nancy-pelosi-hillary-clinton_n_3971843.html?utm_hp_ref=elections-2014

WASHINGTON -- House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said Sunday that if Hillary Clinton ran for president in 2106, she would be more prepared for the White House than all recent presidents -- including Clinton's husband and President Barack Obama.

[Mr.Bill]

1. Far more foreign policy experience,

that's for sure. I also think she took an active informed role in the Clinton administration. More than any first lady in history.

[Always Randy]

6. I agree

I also think that she could make the current Congress follow her lead----they are afraid of her---as they should be---

[DonCoquixote]

19. where does that lead go

The Keystone pipeline
A war with Iran?
Guttign even more social spending programs?

[Always Randy]

22. did you read the article?

[DonCoquixote]

23. Yes

and it ignores things that hillary has FOUGHT FOR, like otusourcing, like war with Iran, like war in Syria, thingsd I do not want.

[Always Randy]

28. I understand

she will have a hard time holding her positions this time around---our brillian President Obama is now building some new turf with Iran---I love BO------he is just so smart---HRC is going to have change a lot to get in

[hlthe2b]

13. and an effective Senator who was able to garner respect of even some RETHUGs, eight years IN the WH

where she was undoubtedly a very involved adviser to her husband, not to mention her own knowledge of state politics during Bill's governor years.

Frankly, I don't know how anyone could argue the point--whether they support/like her or not.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

2. Is this another Clinton vs. Obama flamebait thread?

[Always Randy]

4. No it is not----Did you read the article?

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

5. Don't need to. President Obama has excelled at foreign policy. Hillary Clinton has done a superb job

We don't need to keep rehashing these divisive threads. Nancy needs to just the fuck up and work on uniting her caucus. We have no time to be dividing.

Trashing your thread.

[Always Randy]

9. Well --you seem to keep yourself informed in the same manner

as the Fox news viewers. Maybe if you read her release you would see who else she thinks is qualified.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

17. Coming from you that's a complement. Stick around longer, you'll find out more about me.

Trashing thread. Welcome to IGNORE. Enjoy talking to yourself.

[Always Randy]

24. well I'm learning that you jump to conclusions

by not reading the thread--- it appears rather like those who have not kept an open mind-----I would be glad to read any thread or link that you have generated on the subject----

[Always Randy]

26. I notice your journal is empty

and yet a member since 2008 with over 15,00 posts----surely you must have said something that was worth saving in your journal

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[Always Randy]

3. I don't think the Elizabeth Warren supporters agree

but I wonder if Elizabeth Warren is prepared as well as any of them

[Auntie Bush]

11. I love Elizabeth Warren, but she has NO foreign policy experience and that's is a

real handicap! Every president has ended up totally involved in some foreign policy of some kind. I frankly can't see her as C-i-C.

[Always Randy]

14. but I could see her gain a bunch in the

next two election cycles----I am so hoping for her to have some big victories ----so she can launch on the National stage even sooner

[madrchsod]

34. what foreign policy did obama have?

the president relies on the people they choose to advise them. then they make the decisions based on the information provided.

[elfin]

7. Prior to State Dept. Gig -- no

The reason I chose Obama over her was gestalt versus technocrat approach to the big issues facing us.

She is super diligent and I am crazy about her, but back in 08, he was better prepared for the big picture than she IMO. I felt his brilliance could be supplemented in the details and give us the moral uplift we so needed then.

Whatever struggles he has had from the opposition would have been the same for her - and perhaps even more vitriolic, if that can be imagined.

[Xipe Totec]

8. Do you need us to tell you what you should opine? nt

[Always Randy]

10. No---but with over 30,000 posts yourself you might

contribute to the conversation here

[Xipe Totec]

12. New voices are always welcome

I would love to hear what you think.

[Always Randy]

15. see

The Why--Hillary in 2016 search for this thread ---it gives a pretty good summary of my take on 2016---

it's probably down about 20 places if you can't find it I will copy and paste my thoughts----thank you for the inquiry

[Xipe Totec]

18. A link is always courteous.

You don't have to copy and paste the entire text.

As for my thoughts, I supported Hillary on her first try.

I thought she was the better candidate then.

Since that time she has learned and grown.

Draw your conclusions from that.

[Always Randy]

20. I did not

I supported Obama from the start ---even before he announced ---I just thought he represented the moral leadership our country needed-----I think Martin Luther King freed a lot of bigots from their hatred----and Obama has freed a lot of belligerent whites from the premise that a black person was not good enough to be President---the sweetest part of it is that he WON a SECOND time----so the first time was not just a fluke

[Xipe Totec]

25. It was a tough call for me, between two excellent choices

I just thought HRC had the most experience.

I caught a lot of flack for that then. Things got very, very heated in this forum at that time.

I did not let that emotion affect my judgement, nor did I hold a grudge for the words that were spoken then in the heat of battle.

I intend to do the same this time around; to support my candidate during the primaries, and to throw my alliance to the Democratic party candidate, whoever he or she turns out to be.

Peace, and welcome to DU!

[Always Randy]

16. here it is ---

The team that she will assemble in 2016 is just about unbeatable. First of all, heading it up is her husband Bill who really showed how likable and powerful he was at the 2012 Democratic Convention. There was no headliner at the Republican convention that came close to him. The Clinton's are seasoned politicians and know exactly how to run a campaign. There was a lot of talk about surrogates in the last election, how each of them hit an integral segment of the voting populace and the assembly for 2016 is awesome. Barack and Michele Obama owe the Clinton's a lot. They, and their entire team, will be on hand to support them. They have made great inroads to the Latino vote and most immigrants, not to mention their GOTV efforts in the black community. They alone are an extremely powerful entity that will be backing the Clinton's.

The women vote coming from the entire country will be overwhelmingly for Hillary. In this election Republican women will vote for Hillary more than they have ever voted for a Democratic candidate. First of all, it is an empowering act to make sure that a woman is finally elected President in this country. Second of all the Republican “war on women” is very real to Republican women and the extreme right scares them. Any reader here knows what I am talking about. And Hillary is white, Republican women found it hard to vote for a black man, but Hillary doesn’t have that in her profile.

Her posture as a world figure trumps all of the other candidates that the Republicans can muster. She has made a lot of friends around the world that are long and strong.

Finally, she is smarter than all of them put together. I am such a supporter of her that I don’t want to talk about her ruthless side----she will win this one!

When we look at the horrible mess and message that is coming from the Republican side we need a landslide vote for her, and Congress. With the current Republican House and filibustering Senate we need to get our country back on a good track.

[Xipe Totec]

21. Thank you

If HRC runs in the Democratic primaries, I will support her then.

If she wins the Democratic Party nomination, I will support her campaign.

If she does not prevail, I will support the Democratic Party candidate for the presidency.

Same as I did for our current President.

[Always Randy]

27. You and I are on the same page

I am all about Democrats winning elections

[Agnosticsherbet]

29. Yes, that is right, but it still does't mean she is the best person for the job. n/t

[Always Randy]

31. did you see who else she thinks is qualified

[Agnosticsherbet]

33. No, but her work as Secretary of State makes her more qualified than Bush or Obama

at the beginning of their terms. Foreign diplomacy is one of the Presidents stated powers. It its a matter of experience.

I continue to think that someone a little more to the left would be better for the job. If Hillary Wins the Primary, I will support her in the General election. I hope someone to her left runs against her in the primaries.

[Scootaloo]

38. It really doesn't

foreign policy is only part of a president's job... and ironically even though it's very high-profile, it's also the area of policy that the president has the least impact on... Mostly due to the fact that you really can't change another nation the way you can change your own. Right now, we are seeing one of the biggest shakeups in foreign policy since Nixon visited china - and that's just obama talking to people. That's how stagnant our foreign policy is, that accepting a phone call rocks the boat like a tsunami.

Unfortunately, Hillary Clinton is a foreign policy conservative. She's a hawk who bought into the war with Iraq, and trie to sell the war with Syria. She backed up both Hosni Mubarak and the government of Bahrain in their attempts to crush the protests in those countries, because a dictatorship we know is better to old policy than a democracy we don't.

If she catches my vote in the primaries, it will not be because of her foreign policy "experience," but rather in spite of it... I hope she has some fucking dazzling domestic policies she's been keeping in a pocket for all these years that she didn't break out in '08... otherwise, she's just not going to be a contender, except among people who think "it's her turn!"

[Agnosticsherbet]

40. She won't catch my vote in the primaries unless there is no person farther to the left running.

As I saw it, the discussion was on Pelosi's statement, one with which I agree. When it comes to experience, she beats both Obama and Bush at the beginning of their terms.

My real concern is in domestic policy. American foreign policy has been remarkably consistent since Truman brought us into the Post War Imperial Age. I do not expect any huge changes, even with someone like Warren or Paul. We are an Imperial power and who ever we elect will continue to pursue imperial power. The differences will be in nuance and not on any substantive issue.

Domestic policy, where it comes to maintaining the rights we have, perhaps even expanding them, are possible in small ways. Someone farther to the left will be more amenable to expanding the rights of the middle class. Also, the lefts view of economics and capitalism is more in line with the concepts of Adam Smith and the way our capitalism was defined in the 50's and 60's where the middle class was the strongest in the world and the wealthy and powerful were held a little better in check.

[Thinkingabout]

32. Hillary does have lots of foreign experience and did a fine job as Senator. She also gained

Experiences as First Lady of which we have never had a president with those experiences. She is intelligent and can be firm. This is not a campaign against Obama, no need for it to be, Obama will have served the two terms he is allowed and frankly I don't think this is going to be about who is the greater between Hillary and Obama, they are much better than this game. I have an idea if Hillary should decide to run Obama will do every thing possible to help her. This feud some might be trying to stir up is crap, get over it.

I like Elizabeth Warren think she is very smart but I don't know if she would stick her neck out to run for president. She is most useful and will have a long useful life as Senator, she works very hard for the lower income, has a way with words of which we sure need in the Senate.

[4dsc]

35. Hillary is a centralist

and we don't need another centralist from the Democratic Party in the White House. We need someone who's going to fight for the middle class instead of backing Wall Street.

[Always Randy]

36. Who might that be

[Politicalboi]

37. Oh please

Yeah, that's why she won in 2008....Oh wait. I still don't like liars for President (Sniper Fire). But if she is our only choice, I will vote for her. I prefer Elizabeth Warren over Hillary.

[mimi85]

39. See thread below

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3730851

[Beacool]

41. As if DU was representative of the Democratic party at large.

Please...........