2016 Postmortem
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Climate activists not ready for HillaryNEW YORK Some of the prominent environmental activists who gathered Sunday in New York City for a massive climate change march are not ready to support Hillary Clinton if she decides to run for president.
I think Hillary Clinton has an awful lot to demonstrate to environmentalists and people who care about climate change, Bill McKibben, the founder of 350.org, who helped organize the march, told msnbc. She oversaw the complete fiasco that was the Copenhagen Conference as secretary of state. That was the biggest foreign policy failure since Munich. Its not a proud record.
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And on Sunday, Clinton allies defended her environmental bona fides. As Secretary Of State, Hillary Clinton led efforts to combat the growing threat of climate change both at home and abroad. Clinton created a special envoy for climate change, and she launched the Climate and Clean Air Coalition a group of 37 countries that agreed to work to reduce their emissions. At the Clean Energy Summit held recently in Nevada, Clinton said climate change is the most consequential, urgent, sweeping collection of challenges we face as a nation and a world, said Adrienne Watson of the pro-Clinton rapid response group Correct the Record.
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/climate-activists-not-ready-hillary-clinton
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)SheilaT
(23,156 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)Nite Owl
(11,303 posts)Thought that the Keystone pipeline was ok!
Someone ends to ask her about tracking among othe things.
navarth
(5,927 posts)brooklynite
(94,502 posts)If Hillary decides to run in 2016, all signs are she'll get a substantial share of Democratic voters.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)climate change marchers can get stuffed. Sadly her popularity is more important to many than the dangers from climate change.
A vote for H. Clinton is a vote for eight more years of the status quo. The lower classes better tighten their belts.
brooklynite
(94,502 posts)Perhaps "prominent environmental activists" don't reflect the breadth of the full Democratic Party, or the total range of issues it cares about.
RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)As for me, I'm off on a Walmart shopping spree in my Hummer. Care to join me?
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)concern for Democrats. Well in my book Climate Change is one of the major issues along with wealth inequality, Wall Street corruption, and a hawkish foreign policy. She strikes out in all cases. Where does she shine for you?
daleanime
(17,796 posts)just like her stand on never-ending war.
wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)On Environmental issues.
$5B for green-collar jobs in economic stimulus package. (Jan 2008)
Voted against and consistently opposed to Yucca Mountain. (Jan 2008)
A comprehensive energy plan as our Apollo moon shot. (Jan 2008)
Advocate a cap and trade system. (Dec 2007)
Better track kids products for exposures to toxic materials. (Dec 2007)
Support green-collar job training. (Aug 2007)
Put someone in charge of Katrina recovery who actually cares. (Aug 2007)
Overcome almost criminal indifference to Katrina rebuilding. (Jun 2007)
Launched EPA study of air quality at Ground Zero. (Jun 2007)
Scored 100% on Humane Society Scorecard on animal protection. (Jan 2007)
Stands for clean air and funding the EPA. (Sep 2000)
Reduce air pollution to improve childrens health. (Jun 1998)
Voted YES on including oil & gas smokestacks in mercury regulations. (Sep 2005)
Voted NO on confirming Gale Norton as Secretary of Interior. (Jan 2001)
Remove PCBs from Hudson River by dredging 200 miles. (Apr 2001)
Rated 89% by the LCV, indicating pro-environment votes. (Dec 2003)
EPA must do better on mercury clean-up. (Apr 2004)
Sponsored bill for tax credit to remove lead-based paint. (Nov 2005)
Sponsored bill for commission to examine Katrina response. (Sep 2005)
Sponsored health impact bill for environmental health. (Apr 2006)
Grants for beach water pollution under Clean Water Act. (Apr 2008)
Inter-state compact for Great Lakes water resources. (Jul 2008)
Strengthen prohibitions against animal fighting. (Jan 2007)
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)to vote with the Republicans to authorize Dick Cheney to invade Iraq. Why should we trust her?
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)cprise
(8,445 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Choice in who you cast a vote. When someone list one issue I wonder if they are making their decision on one issue as many of the RW do.
RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)If you guessed, "The U.S. Defense Department," give yourself a prize.
So, Hillary's unflagging support for military adventurism is not just a single issue. It's also an endorsement of climate destruction.
Woo hoo!
US Department of Defense is the Worst Polluter on the Planet
The US military is responsible for the most egregious and widespread pollution of the planet, yet this information and accompanying documentation goes almost entirely unreported. In spite of the evidence, the environmental impact of the US military goes largely unaddressed by environmental organizations and was not the focus of any discussions or proposed restrictions at the recent UN Climate Change Conference in Copenhagen. This impact includes uninhibited use of fossil fuels, massive creation of greenhouse gases, and extensive release of radioactive and chemical contaminants into the air, water, and soil.
http://www.projectcensored.org/2-us-department-of-defense-is-the-worst-polluter-on-the-planet/
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)women. It cause many, many thousands to be wounded. It cause damage to the lives of thousands more, to the point that many kill themselves every day. Then there is the damage done to our economy. A damage so terrible that I doubt we will ever recover. And what about the tens of thousands of innocent Iraqi children that were horribly killed in a war that the republicans wanted, a war the warmongers and neocons wanted, a war that most of the world did not want.
She betrayed us and joined with George Bush. How can you ever trust her?
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)truth
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Wall Street, or her hawkish foreign policies. Are you ok with her stand on these important issues?
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)then they are ok with a Democrat that supported those same republicans in the worst decision this country has made in a century.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)voted, guess they support each other.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)the same and equate it with the worst mistake made by our country in a century. H. Clinton voted for a war that resulted in tens of thousands of deaths and you trivialize it. She isn't the only choice, so why would you support someone with zero integrity?
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)the pleasure of their troops, who are in the mood to kill more, who imprisoned people on a mountain top simply because they had a different religion. I am terribly disappointed in Elizabeth Warren to vote no on this, she needs to think about the women who are being abused if nothing else. Yes I will vote for someone with integrity on the values I place on a candidate. Warren made a mistake on this vote, yes I know she is your choice but when doing wrong you still hold her up on a pedestal. You want her to be a good candidate, get her on the right track.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Warren stay on the "left track". Neocons have no place in the Democratic Party. There are two branches of the Democratic Party, the Progressive Branch and the warmongering, neocon, conservative Branch.
I will support candidates with integrity.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Elizabeth Warren stands with let them rape the women.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)LawDeeDah
(1,596 posts)In order to prop up Hillary you have to tear down Warren with that filthy rubbish.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)I bet you rattled those off right off the top of your head. Good job!
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)LawDeeDah
(1,596 posts)In fact, it is a clear example that she will 'go along' with anything that is obvious and use others work to clip onto and assume credits. How could she NOT support some of these things? There is a universe of difference between support and going out there in front and initiating. What has she DONE, that is hers, that she fought for and that she had to get others on board to support and that she had to take risks for?
EPA must do better on mercury clean-up.
My, how bold! Not Very.
greatlaurel
(2,004 posts)The work HRC and her staff did on the air quality at Ground Zero was outstanding. There was very little coverage of the work she did on this. She showed a depth of knowledge at the hearings that helped in getting benefits for the first responders and the clean up workers. It is shocking to me how little the supposed leaders in the environmental movement recognized this issue, at the time. They really dropped the ball in standing up for the workers. Reading the transcripts of the hearings made me an HRC fan before she ran for president.
HRC exposed the Bush administration, including Christie Todd Whitman, and Rudy Giuliani for the criminals they are. The refusal to require the workers and residents to wear breathing protection was an act of willful and criminal malfeasance. They knew those workers and responders would have their health permanently degraded and their lives shortened. Of course, the news media ignored this scandal. Why did the news media ignore Whitman's order to stop monitoring the air quality at Ground Zero.
cprise
(8,445 posts)nichomachus
(12,754 posts)No more dynasties.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)but I sure the choir will spent the next two years telling us have no choice.
LawDeeDah
(1,596 posts)All the talk about Hillary already winning is just an intimidation factor, don't let it get to you. This is fed to us all compliments of the Clinton machine, where they have spokespeople all over the media and in big business.
Manipulation, smoke and mirrors, fibs on top of lies layered upon exaggerations, all that and more is a desperate attempt to eliminate or intimidate the competition. As it's so early in the game, the steam won't be able to keep up. I hear more people change their minds about Hillary into the Not Sure category from the ReadyFor category whenever Hillary makes headlines with one of her not so savvy quotes.
The Clintons will discover that it was way too early for them to start campaigning under the guise of the book tour - premature electionation will do them in as the errors in judgement when Hillary speaks keep piling up in that long duration of time to the election.
They will not be able to hold up - Hillary started speaking out on many issues around the book opening, and then suddenly goes silent on current events, like Ferguson, and then takes a bland, noncommittal stance that a focus group suggests is best, as to not alienate anyone. This is not leadership material and people are getting it.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)knr
RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)I've enclosed a copy in a Business Reply Mail envelope I recently received from President-Elect Clinton's superPAC.
I encourage others to follow suit by doing a "Save Image As."
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Good work!
RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)Enjoy!