2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumTired of Voting While Holding Your Nose? Time for NOTA
Both parties have sold themselves by taking the same enormous sums of money from special interest groups and PAC's, so in fact, there is really no major difference. Congress has become irrelevant to most Americans as both parties no longer represent the average American, but do in fact cater to those represented by special interest groups and large donors. Unless you are very wealthy and donate large sums of campaign money, you are virtually unrepresented. A major study just confirmed what most of us already know. Unless you are represented by a powerful special interest group you have no voice, nor are you represented by your Congress person. You are voiceless, powerless, and have no representation.
(The) solution to this particular problem is a NOTA alternative for voters. It is simple and it forces the establishment to offer real choices to voters.
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http://www.opednews.com/articles/Tired-of-Voting-While-Hold-by-Joseph-Clifford-Corruption_Elections_Illusion_Media-141107-121.html
NOTA - Now this is something I could REALLY get behind. That, and requiring a paper trail for all votes cast. How can we make it happen?
think
(11,641 posts)Gidney N Cloyd
(19,839 posts)In Illinois, at least, you can undervote now. You go to the polls and just skip the offices on the ballot where you think no one is addressing your concerns. The judges will ask you confirm your undervote and then accept it. It sends the same message as NOTA.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)If we want to fix things, we need to fix the Democratic Party at the grass roots level.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)and "we the people" don't own it. NOTA seems like a good place to start for me. Unless you, or someone, can find a way to funnel more money into the pockets of the Dems than they receive from corporate interests there would be no possibility of a "fix".
still_one
(92,216 posts)should organize and join a party then think is receptive to their needs. The view you are expressing implies that these folks believe that they cannot work within the Democratic party so the answer is NOTA. It would be more productive to join the Green Party, or a party that represent your mind set, or start a new party, though since the Green Party already exists, that would save time.
I don't agree with your assessment that NOTA is a good place to start because it will accomplish very little. I believe working within the Democratic party, but if you believe that is useless, then why not join the greens?
IggyPops
(13 posts)...to listen to your concerns is to make the Green Party a real threat. Once they lose a few elections due to enough votes going to Greens, they'll at least pay lip service to your concerns. Once they're in office, hold them to it.
Also, run candidates that address your issues. That's what primaries are for. No one running that you'd support? Run for office.
brooklynite
(94,591 posts)dfgrbac
(418 posts)That is truly a weak idea. Vote for and support the National Initiative to take back our democracy!
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)How does this bring any actual change of options? As it is I can skip the line or make a joke on the line or vote for myself or Martin Sheen or anyone that crosses my mind. Still says 'no thanks' to the options given.
I don't think it actually addresses any of the actual problems.
DFW
(54,403 posts)It means "the check (please)" in Romanian.
Otherwise, no difference.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)First, it's a libertarian talking point. It's intended to show that people never like government, ever.
Second, it is an evasion of responsibility. We nominate our candidates and then elect our politicians.
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)Millions of people already in effect vote NOTA by staying home. The political system carries on anyway.
The linked article says that NOTA "forces the establishment to offer real choices to voters." How, exactly, does it do that? Nevada has had a "None of These Candidates" option on its ballots since 1975, to no discernible effect.
Proponents would have to make a decision about what happens if NOTA gets more votes than any real candidate:
(from "None of the above" in Wikipedia)
In the case of a Senate or House seat, holding another election would mean only that the state or district would be without representation for a while. It wouldn't suddenly abolish the influence of money.