Hillary's Bernie Problem Just Got WAY Worse

[BigBearJohn]

[brooklynite]

1. Okay, I give up. HOW did Clinton's Bernie problem JUST become way worse?

I mean, besides a poll that came out a week ago?

And does the poll from labor-heavy Michigan (57-25) mean that Bernie's "Clinton problem" JUST got worse?

[BlueStreak]

3. My god, is Bernie getting 25% in Michigan already? That's a big number

for a "nobody" running against the presumptive nominee.

One would have thought that after Hillary's 2008 experience, Hillary supporters would be a bit more concerned about this situation.

Obviously the enthusiasm for Bernie is not all because people know and love Bernie. That's certainly some of it, but a big part of it is the fact that were are all damned fed up with the rigged system. And like it or not, Hillary is a "system candidate". She may already have lost this thing. If I were on Team Hillary, I'd be working on the biggest damned populist makeover this country has ever seen -- and one tht they won't drop as soon as it is Etch-a-Sketch time after the primaries.

[brooklynite]

5. I have every expectation that Sanders will get 25-30% nationwide...

...not something I'm losing sleep over.

[BlueStreak]

10. At this stage, numbers can move wildly. Not wise to blow this off.

Hillary has two big things that have been working for her:

1) The possibility of being the first female President

2) The aura of inevitability.

If Bernie can get to a 25% number in just a few weeks, then the invincibility thing is gone, just as it evaporated in 2008.

The first female President is a factor, but I wouldn't count on that. After electing a black man, electing a woman isn't really that big of a thing. Hillary is our usual lesser of evils offering. There are millions of people who instinctively feel we need to shake up the system. And as Cenk mentioned on that video, this could work for Rand Paul as well.

Hillary was hoping to skate through the primaries untouched. And her strategy has been to be as evasive and amorphous as possible. She is a Clinton, after all. For her sake, I hope her team is figuring out that ain't going to work. She's going to have take some real positions.

Another big implication here is that the mainstream media wanted to help Hillary by marginalizing Bernie. That ain't gonna work either, it seems.

So now we have a campaign.

[HooptieWagon]

2. "Bernie's honesty is kryptonite to the Clinton campaign"

[dreamnightwind]

8. Let's hope so

It certainly should be. It also needs to get heard by enough people. Doing my part!

[orpupilofnature57]

53. Honesty isn't her strong suit, it is his .

[Thinkingabout]

4. I thought you had to get the most votes on election dates, second place isn't

A winner. I do agree as more people gets to know Bernie and know his positions the less votes he will get on election day.

[grasswire]

6. huh???

That makes no sense at all.

[Thinkingabout]

7. What part are you having difficulty?

[Spitfire of ATJ]

9. I guess the part where popular policies are unpopular.

[SoapBox]

11. I think the implication is something about

the fringe...extremist..."left learning" liberal...

Ya know...all that cliche stuff.

Forget that he will appeal to every decent voting man and woman in America, like the fading middle class and the impoverished lower classes.

If people want Wall Street Banksters and the like, then some other candidate may be for them.

[Thinkingabout]

20. A president's responsibilities is more than Wall Street and wage disparity, of which every DNC

candidates are talking. Actually trade is a part of the responsibility of the presidency but voting against trade bills indicates Bernie does not want this responsibility. On popular positions gun control is one, Bernie has had a voting record where he votes with NRA's position. National security is a responsibility, I am not comfortable with Bernie's positions on national security. National Review (I know a RW source) recently stated in an article about Bernie being a socialist, in the general national security and the fact of the socialists will be a hard hitting point in the general election.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

23. LOL! Honestly?

You actually bought into that whole "You are either for the TPP or you are against trade" nonsense?

With all of the stuff posted here about the TPP?

And of COURSE we can't go against the all powerful NRA. And since Bernie is anti-gun it makes sense he's going to disband the military leaving America open to attack by our enemies.

Oh,..acting like we can't run someone because they're vulnerable to a right-wing smear after the last guy is nonsense too but maybe you're right. I'm sure the Republicans don't have anything bad to say about Hillary since she has a proud record of reaching across the aisle and working with them.

[Thinkingabout]

27. I think I will keep a copy of your post for future reference, sound a little overboard but I did not

Post it.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

28. At least you didn't claim Bernie is a racist because his announcement was a sea of palefaces....

That's another smear that's been debunked.

BTW: You know it's okay to like Hillary and not hate Bernie. Right?

[Thinkingabout]

31. Never said I hated Bernie, another smear is debunked, I do not like his stand on some issues.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

34. That pro-NRA comment shows you don't know where he stands on guns.

[Thinkingabout]

40. I look at the voting record, it is his record.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

41. He's got "Ds" and "Fs" from the NRA.

[Joe the Revelator]

29. "Actually trade is a part of the responsibility of the presidency but voting against trade bills

indicates Bernie does not want this responsibility'




This line, in all its majesty, made my day. What world are we living on?

[Thinkingabout]

33. It does amaze me when responsibilites of an office a candidate should just go away but yet the

Candidate still indicates they are ready for the position, wonder why Bernie would do this?

[Spitfire of ATJ]

36. He's against the TPP because it's bad for American workers....

You claim since he's against the TPP that means he doesn't think trade is the job of the president.

And you wonder why people are laughing?

[Thinkingabout]

37. No this is your claim, let's say he does not have a good voting record on trade.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

38. Oh yeah, he voted agast NAFTA and GATT too....

He obviously hates ALL trade.

[Thinkingabout]

39. My point exactly, as president he will have to deal with trade, if he doesn't like this responsibily

Why is he seeking the position?

[Spitfire of ATJ]

42. Just because he opposed bad trade deals doesn't mean he doesn't believe in trade....

Nor does he believe it's not his job.

Are you really this informed or are you just playing like you've just been rescued from Gilligan's Island?

[Thinkingabout]

43. Don't be ugly, except the fact everyone does not agree with the votes Bernie has made.

Likewise Bernie's votes on trade issues mean he is for trade.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

44. That's not what you said before....

You asked, "Why does he want the job?" since he doesn't believe in trade.

[Thinkingabout]

45. His record does not indicate he is for trade, I did not make his record. This is a problem Bernie

Have to run in the campaign.

[Comrade Grumpy]

48. He has a good Democratic voting record on trade.

And most traditional Democratic constituencies aren't as hungry for bad trade deals as you appear to be.

[Thinkingabout]

49. I am not a candidate for any office, Bernie will have to run on his own record.

I am a voter, I will make my decisions on records, etc a candidate has. Bernie can not ride in on my back, he will have to sell himself.

[udbcrzy2]

12. Best track record

I think everyone should vote for who they want. I am voting for the one that I like the best and who I think has the best track record and who I think will be the best president for me.

[bkkyosemite]

13. Calling her Hilary is not

what it should be.......Calling her another Clinton.........and then there is Jeb

I don't want royalty again......I don't want a Clinton/Bush scenario to continue.

Bernie is honest, above board, tells it like it is. I am sick of Ms. Clinton. She is in bed with Monsanto and then wanted organic in the WH.......what a hypocrite...I will not vote for her.

It is bazaar that this country is heading for another Clinton/Bush election cycle. This is pure crazy......NO MORE!

Feel the Bern.....

[marlakay]

14. Lady we are staying with through airbnb

Said she won't vote for Hillary because of the GMO thing.

I think people know who is standing up for them and who is bought.

[bkkyosemite]

15. ?

Don't know exactly what you mean..............airbnb please explain? That is not the only reason (GMO thing), she is wall street, she is the establishment in my view. I will not vote for her because I do not believe she cares about the middle class.

[marlakay]

16. I have a lot of reasons myself

I was just talking about how word is getting around about Hillary and what she stands for.

Airbnb is where you rent a room, apt or someones whole house through their website. We are renting a apt for a month.

My main reason is because I am worried she will cave and cut SS and other needed programs. I see her as too close to corporations.

[bkkyosemite]

17. Absolutely agree

And many on here say they will vote for whoever wins the primary. I will vote for Bernie if Hillary wins the primary I will not vote for her...I will not vote. I don't want another Clinton. I don't want a corporate buddy to be my president. (thanks for the explanation)

[Thinkingabout]

21. Where has Hillary ever indicated she woud cut SS?

[Thinkingabout]

35. Bernie is in bed with NRA and I am sick of these mass shootings and Congressional members can't pass

Sensible gun control laws.

[Vinca]

46. I believe the NRA rates him as an "F."

[Thinkingabout]

54. And he still votes their way, give me an F, I would sure stop voting their way.

[Vinca]

56. I don't agree with him on many of his gun-related votes,

but he has been representing a small state filled to the gills with hunters that (for the most part) has no gun problems. I have yet to walk down a Vermont street or go into a Vermont store and see anyone armed to the teeth. Bottom line is that some states are crazier than others and Bernie has had the privilege to represent sane people. I wouldn't be surprised if his direction changes when he represents all the people. In any case, there will never be a candidate you agree with 100%. I love the POTUS, but I sure don't agree with him on trade. Living in NH, I've voted for Jean Shaheen and I sure don't agree with her on everything. There's no perfect candidate.

[Bellower]

50. Uh oh. You have been given a notice...

You're about to be BERNED!

[99Forever]

18. K&R

Good stuff, thanks.

[DCBob]

19. If her "Bernie Problem" is her biggest concern then she is in a good situation.

[Thinkingabout]

22. Good Point!

[Sancho]

24. Here's why Bernie will have a REAL problem, both in policy and style...

I've listened to Bernie for years, and he will have some series problems.

[Joe the Revelator]

30. What policy would that be? nt

[Comrade Grumpy]

32. I don't think his bad stance on Israel-Palestine will hurt him.

Because it's in line with 99% of other US politicians. If his Israel policy turns you off (as it does me), you're not going to find any other candidates who are any better.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

51. Right

[grahamhgreen]

25. And if Warren steps up as his running mate... Checkmate.

[Eleanors38]

26. I like that idea.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

52. Me too

[brooklynite]

55. You imagine Warren would join a Sanders ticket BEFORE the Primaries are over?

[Vinca]

47. It seems Bernie is on the rise in most polls and Hillary is losing a little ground.

Maybe someday the media will treat him as a serious candidate.