In 2012 Third Way was promoting Martin O'Malley as a "hot prospect"

[Cheese Sandwich]

Back in 2012 the "Third Way" think tank was promoting Martin O'Malley as a "hot prospect" for 2016

Martin O'Malley's "private" media session hosted by Third Way think tank (2012)

For the past few months, Maryland Juice has been tracking the careful positioning of Gov. Martin O'Malley in the 2016 White House lineup. On Tuesday we noted that CNN contributor Bill Schneider had booked Gov. O'Malley for a media talk that billed him as a "hot prospect" for 2016. The event was hosted by a centrist Democratic think tank called "The Third Way." Now it seems that media speculation about the future of Maryland's Governor is sprouting up all over the place. Below we flag a few interesting press hits about the 2016 White House race. Among the bits of juice below are recent comments from Governor O'Malley about the recent CD6 Democratic Primary, comments about transvaginal probes, and remarks about Maryland's budget battle.

http://www.marylandjuice.com/2012/04/juiceblender-reporters-on-gov-martin.html

O’Malley advertised as ‘hot prospect’ for 2016

“Governor O’Malley may dismiss talk of 2016 as ‘premature,’ but when has that stopped us?” asks an invitation to the monthly gathering hosted by Bill Schneider, the political analyst and longtime CNN contributor.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/maryland-politics/post/omalley-advertised-as-hot-prospect-for-2016/2012/04/17/gIQAZJiSOT_blog.html

http://old.thirdway.org/events/89

https://www.flickr.com/photos/thirdwaythinktank/sets/72157629495544622/

[wyldwolf]

1. Here's a cool magazine cover

[Cheese Sandwich]

29. That is pretty cool. Here's another cool picture...

Maryland Governor Martin O'Malley at Third Way idea forum (2011): http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251425668

[Renew Deal]

176. So what happened to those people?

The only two I've heard of are the two from MD.

[99Forever]

2. Another Third Way Trojan Horse pretender.

What a surprise.

Not.

Neoliberals have no conscience.

[Cheese Sandwich]

4. Interesting factoid: The board of the Third Way is made up almost entirely of investment bankers and

The board of the Third Way is made up almost entirely of investment bankers and other Wall Street executives

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Way_(think_tank)

[FSogol]

6. The DLC and 3rd way recurited O'Malley, but he never joined their groups.

Both the DLC and 3rd way were pro war war and pro death penalty. O'Malley was against the Iraq war and ended the death penalty in Maryland. He's not a neoliberal.

[99Forever]

9. Save it for the gullible.

He is what he does and doesn't do. His lack of taking the high road and condemning the attack ad on Senator Sanders by a pac supporting him, tell me all I need to know about what he is REALLY all about.

Neoliberals hate getting outed.

[FSogol]

14. Was the Baltimore Sun gullible? They wrote that in 2002.

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2002-12-04/news/0212040053_1_martin-omalley-democratic-leadership-council-democratic-party

[99Forever]

15. Yes.

[fredamae]

27. Third Way et al have

Busy little Beavers for a Long time. We (collectively) did not listen/pay attention (count me in).....to those who saw what was coming.
Sanders was one who Warned....Way, Way back.


http://www.thenation.com/article/gop-donors-and-k-street-fuel-third-ways-advice-democratic-party/

"Related SourceWatch articles
Democratic Leadership Council
House Centrist Coalition
New Democrat Coalition
Progressive Policy Institute
Senate Centrist Coalition
Think tanks
Third Way
Third Way Foundation"
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Third_Way_organization#Senators

[Jefferson23]

49. True, he is not. Again, the record of individuals should be checked out and vetted...not merely

posted as fact.

[-none]

54. The fact that the DLC and 3rd way tried to recruit O'Malley is reason enough to be leery of him.

It is past time the people in this country mattered more than just the people running the big banks and wall street.

[Jefferson23]

60. Politicians get offers, so I don't understand your thinking. n/t

[Cheese Sandwich]

61. I bet they haven't tried to recruit Liz Warren. Or that socialist guy.

[Jefferson23]

63. You might want to rethink that. I can't suggest enough that it is important to vet

your own sources. It has happened to me, check and check again.

Haven't you witnessed enough of that regarding Sanders?

[Cheese Sandwich]

65. You think turd way is trying to recruit Liz Warren? OK

[Jefferson23]

66. What I am trying to say to you is, there are compromises in their pasts.

It would not be a blight on O'Malley because they tried to recruit him.

Why wouldn't they, he would lend them a voice of credibility.

[Cheese Sandwich]

70. He's their kind of guy. He likes to sit in front of their logo and get his picture taken.

He likes to speak at their events and do private press conferences with them.

As it turns out The Third Way think tank is quite popular on DU as well.

[Jefferson23]

72. It's not popular with me but I doubt his supporters have been convinced you have

him pegged. Hasn't his political agenda in Maryland been a far cry from Third Way policies?

[zappaman]

73. Shhhh! He's on a roll.

[1StrongBlackMan]

153. LOL. n/t

[Cheese Sandwich]

86. Well I think you have to be pretty careful with politicians

Some of them can come off as pretty liberal but if you look closely they don't every really take on the real centers of power: the big banks, the corporations, and the prison industrial complex.

His policing policies were pretty hard core right wing policies from what people say.

"A lot of us know the real story of the harm he brought to our city" - Former Baltimore NAACP President

Although prosecutors declined to bring many of the cases, activists contend that those who were arrested often could not get their records expunged, making it harder for them to get jobs.

“We still have men who are suffering from it today,” said Marvin “Doc” Cheathem, a past president of the Baltimore branch of the NAACP, which won a court settlement stemming from the city’s policing policies. “The guy is good at talking, but a lot of us know the real story of the harm he brought to our city.”

Bishop Douglas Miles, a community leader, said O’Malley’s department “set the tone for how the police department in Baltimore has reacted to poor and African American communities since then.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/as-mayor-of-baltimore-omalleys-policing-strategy-sowed-mistrust/2015/04/25/af81178a-ea9d-11e4-9767-6276fc9b0ada_story.html


At one point O'Malley was falsely arresting so many people the NAACP and ACLU had to sue in court to get him to slow down a little bit.

[Jefferson23]

88. That is a different charge you're making, this would not be under the heading of Third Way

policies, right? I mean, Baltimore has had corruption issues for many years before O'Malley
came along. There also seems to be a split with how he is perceived in his performance,
some negative, but mostly supportive within the state as far as I know.

For some there is deep frustration, obviously the lawsuits spell out real problems. I don't
know how he explains that, but I also don't know if Baltimore receives enough federal
funds to help these people with programs. For example, on NPR recently, in Baltimore
they are losing more after school care...it is being privatized. The woman interviewed
does not know what they'll do, since so many of the kids relied on that as a place of
stability.

[Cheese Sandwich]

89. I'm not sure exactly what kind of example you're looking for.

To me, everything about the guy just screams neo-liberal phony. I understand that's a minority view on DU. He has many liberal policies. I think his positioning as a progressive is just that - opportunist positioning. It's selling the liberal brand just to get elected.

That's why the policing policies are significant. He talks a good game, but when it counts, he stands with the powerful, not with the powerless, not with the oppressed.

And that's exactly what this man said in the quote:

“We still have men who are suffering from it today,” said Marvin “Doc” Cheathem, a past president of the Baltimore branch of the NAACP, which won a court settlement stemming from the city’s policing policies. “The guy is good at talking, but a lot of us know the real story of the harm he brought to our city.”

That's it right there. That's our warning. We're not going to get a better warning than that. Who do you trust? Look at Baltimore. How many died? How many lives crushed? His city burnt. Communities were destroyed. And the people whose lives were most affected, they're screaming out to warn us, for anyone who will listen: DON'T TRUST HIM.

When push comes to shove he will stab us in back. He will serve power, serve Wall St., serve the establishment. His job will be to smile and convince us he's helping, while really selling us down the river.

... in November 2013, O'Malley schmoozed with some of those Wall Street bullies in a private dining room at Lever House, a fancy restaurant in Midtown Manhattan.

The guest list, according to the source, included Robert Wolf, a top Wall Street supporter of President Barack Obama (who now is supporting Hillary Clinton for president), Marvin Rosen, a Wall Street attorney and at least one Goldman Sachs executive. The event was a meet and greet and not a fundraiser, O'Malley's staff points out. But you generally don't sit down with Wall Street political rainmakers without hope of eventually wringing big checks out of them.

Critics of O'Malley's recent populist approach also note that he penned an op-ed for the Washington Post in 2007 with former U.S. Rep. from Tennessee and current Morgan Stanley executive Harold Ford Jr. calling for Democrats to heed the "vital center" and praising the moderate views and approach of former President Bill Clinton, who signed the law that tore down the Glass-Steagall wall between investment and consumer banking and paved the way for the creation of today's financial super-market mega banks.

"As the caucuses and primaries approach, candidates will come under increasing pressure to ignore the broader electorate and appeal to the party faithful," O'Malley wrote at the time, summing up exactly what he himself is trying to do in 2015. "But the opportunity to build a historic majority is too great—and too rare—to pass up."

http://www.cnbc.com/id/102723304

[Jefferson23]

93. I'm not brushing off the police problems, I just don't see how that fits into the Third Way

category, which is what I took issue with about your OP.

There is, as I said, problems for him in relationship with Baltimore vs the rest
of the state. I try and be fair to anyone running, and why I believe that city,
which has had significant corruption before O'Malley speaks to some deeper
issues that have gone on unresolved..seemingly for too long. I pointed out
merely one example, the youth of Baltimore deserve and need more attention.

However, O'Malley does have policies he has applied to the state which don't represent
Third Way policies. Looking at your recent article if he is taking their money then there
should be a paper trail. If he isn't I can't explain his run..he is going to not take Wall
Street money until after he gets himself elected? For you his intentions are less than
honorable, I have to admit, I don't see it as you do.

[Cheese Sandwich]

94. re: paper trails

He raised a lot of money from Wall Street as chair of the Democratic Governors Association.

Looking on google search, there are various articles about it out there. One that does detail amounts and the banks, but it seems like a possibly a right wing site, but I'm not sure, so I'm hesitant to link to it, even though it seems pretty factual. It's on a site called mdpolicy.org and the title is "Why We're Not Buying Martin O'Malley's Anti-Wall Street Platform"

There's another one here but it has different details, but it does cover some of his fundraising
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/martin-o-malley-wall-st-ties-big-banks-article-1.2246630

Yeah but you're right that I don't trust him. We're not supposed to trust politicians in the first place, especially when there are all these reasons not to.

[Jefferson23]

131. From your NY Daily News source, he admits the following:

*But while he was the finance chairman of the Democratic Governors Association in 2008, Goldman Sachs gave $100,000 to the organization.

O'Malley admitted on Wednesday that he "probably" had asked for big checks from financial giants in the past before refusing to rule out soliciting more from the financial industry for his presidential bid.

"I probably have. I was the chair of the Democratic Governors Association. I'm quite sure I've called everybody that they've put up sheets in front of me," he said when asked about past donations during an event in Washington with the U.S. Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, referring to the fundraising call sheets candidates dial through looking for donations.

"I'm not prone to call up the head of Goldman Sachs or those individuals, nor am I inclined to tell those people in the financial industry that they shouldn't be involved in my campaign, in fact I think they should," he continued. "There's a lot of good people who work in our financial industry." ( end )

If there is more to it than that, it'll come out about Wall Street. As I said earlier, they all have a past which speaks
to compromises..what they are/were at the time is legitimate for voters to decide upon. O'Malley has made statements
he believes Glass-Steagall should be reinstated...that is not exactly friendly talk to Wall Street.

You can see from 2009 what the current administration thought of that idea:

Treasury Official: ‘Going Back To Glass-Steagall Would Be Like Going Back To The Walkman’

by Pat Garofalo Posted on December 16, 2009
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2009/12/16/173057/treasury-walkman/

You can also see O'Malley's stand would not generate confidence from Wall Street, they
want nothing to do with seeing it reinstated...although Warren refers to her bill
as the 21at Century Glass-Steagall.

The financial industry's case against a new Glass-Steagall Act doesn't hold up.
By Jim Lardner
July 31, 2013 |
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/economic-intelligence/2013/07/31/elizabeth-warren-and-john-mccain-make-the-case-for-a-new-glass-steagall?words

The Third Way label is not applicable to his past policies in Maryland, if there is more
to the financial sector financing for this campaign it will likely reveal itself sooner than later.

[Cheese Sandwich]

139. OK that's fine

I respect what you're saying here. You're posting facts. I don't disagree with your facts.

But my opinion is different. It's beyond obvious I don't trust O'Malley. People don't have to agree with me at all. That's fine. You don't agree with me. That's fine.

But some of the O'Malley supporters seem extremely defensive about it, like they don't want any criticism at all.

I also posted facts. O'Malley appeared at a Third Way think tank event in 2011 and they invited him back in 2012, and he went back and got his picture taken there. That's a fact. Other Democrats don't do that. Liz Warren would never get invited there. Bernie Sanders would not either. If it doesn't bother people, fine. It bothers me.

Some people in Baltimore said his policing policies were horrible and abusive, including the head of the Baltimore NAACP. The NAACP and ACLU sued O'Malley over tens of thousands of false arrests stemming from his zero tolerance policing policies. Other African American community leaders have spoken out as well. Some O'Malley fans apparently think these concerns don't matter. And when I mention it they call me a troll and a sock puppet. I don't know why it's so hard for some people to believe that there is a different side to Martin O'Malley.

I'm not talking about you. You responded very polite. Other people seemed to get crazy defensive to this OP, which is all facts and photos. All the other candidates are accountable for their records and O'Malley doesn't get a special pass.

[zappaman]

71. "Turd way" LOL

Same language Michael Asshole Savage uses to describe Mexico and other countries..."turd world".
Cute!

[kenfrequed]

181. Right..

The negative assessment of a think tank dedicated to bringing democrats closer in line with corporate America and the banks is Precisely the same as a negative assessment by a racist scumbag of other countries.

Great analogy.

Is that cute enough for you?

[Raine1967]

147. Please keep repeating this.

I am so sick and tired of this sorry, pathetic lie.

[Raine1967]

148. Except he's not.

I suspect all the links and proof otherwise will not stop you from propagating something that is simply not true.

[Raine1967]

151. So then why are you trying so hard to smear him by furthering lies?

You see, I am focusing on my candidate and not trying to smear Sanders. It makes this a much nicer place.

[1StrongBlackMan]

157. Ahhh ...

So then why are you trying so hard to smear him by furthering lies?

Good question!

Why would a defense attorney ask the prosecution's star witness: "You're lying ... you have said I true statement in your life! Have you?"

To which the Prosecution jumps out their chair, Objecting.

To which the defense attorney, looking directly at the jury, smiles and says, "I withdraw the question."

[Raine1967]

162. I don't really think you need to be rude.

If you don;t want to be challenged — well, that's a damn shame. and thank you for not answeringmy question, on that I actually DID ask and one you decided to deflect with being rude.

If you don't care, then don't spread lies.

[Raine1967]

167. You still have not answered my question.

So anyway, you please proceed to be rude.

I don;t mind hearing your opinion, but this being DU and all, expect to have it challenged. that is how this whole message board thing works.

Why are you still determined to spread lies about a fellow democratic candidate? Now I am actually asking your opinion and I would really like to know why.

[99Forever]

171. I don't do demands.

Sorry, but browbeating might work people who kowtow to authoritarian bullies, I ain't one of 'em.

Go find somebody else to have your pissing match with.

[Raine1967]

175. *pissing match*?

Seriously, you don't like to be asked why you are spreading lies and you say *I* am having a pissing match.



Why don't you start here http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=433900

and tell me who is having a sh*t fit for being asked a question. Don;t like being asked why you are spreading lies? I can understand, and there is a solution to it: Don;t say things that people that aren;t true.

That's not an opinion, that is a fact. You being rude and nasty does;t hurt me, and it certainly does't help garner sympathy with and for the people who support the Senator from Vermont who is running for President.

[99Forever]

177. Do say I didn't make an effort.

Bu bye.

[Raine1967]

179. By! have a great night!

[HFRN]

3. Third Way? --> NO WAY!

nope

[elleng]

33. DAMN RIGHT!

Thanks

[FSogol]

5. Posting it several times doesn't make it true Cheese.

and here's a 2002 Baltimore Sun article where O'Malley rejects thes conservative Democratic

organizations.

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2002-12-04/news/0212040053_1_martin-omalley-democratic-leadership-council-democratic-party

From that article:

"O'Malley has positioned himself to the left with his rhetoric and policies in the city," said Keith Haller, a veteran Maryland political pollster. "The idea that he is becoming the fair-haired boy for the Democratic Leadership Council, a moderate or conservative group, is very interesting. Is he trying to moderate his liberal image for a national audience?"

`Progressive liberal'

The mayor calls himself a "progressive liberal," a label that encompasses positions that seem to span the range of party ideology: He has made law and order his top priority, but he is against the death penalty.

O'Malley said he was recruited to join the DLC soon after he was elected mayor three years ago. He said that although he enjoys debating strategy with the organization, he doesn't subscribe to all the positions of its leadership.

[Cheese Sandwich]

7. What was posted several times?

You're the one posting the same thing over and over again.

[FSogol]

8. Here's a link to your other recent hit post on the same topic.

Maybe taking some notes would help keep things straight?



It really isn't hard to debunk this crap.

[Cheese Sandwich]

10. You sometimes call inconvenient facts "hit pieces".

I can help you with the two separate things

1) In 2012 Third Way was promoting Martin O'Malley as a "hot prospect"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251425696

2) Maryland Governor Martin O'Malley at Third Way idea forum (2011)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251425668


Good luck "debunking" reality.

You are "debunking" something from 2002. These Third Way events are from 2011 and 2012.

[Andy823]

11. Sad thing is

As long as posts like this get rec'd by the "anti everything" crowd, the posters will just keep on posting the negative crap. Seems like there is one group on DU who have been "anti everything" for years now, and sadly there are enough gullible people here who support their BS. Have you ever notice that these kind of hit pieces get the same people recing them day in and day out ? shrug:

[Koinos]

16. I'm curious as to why this group is so afraid of an O'Malley candidacy.

O'Malley is polling 3%, and these folks are writing absurd "guilt-by-association" hit pieces that ignore the substance of what O'Malley has done and said as mayor and governor. They need to stop doing self-contradictory opposition research against a progressive fellow democrat and start learning how to play well with others.

If Sanders wishes to win the nomination and compete effectively in the general election, he and his supporters will have to play well with other like-minded democrats. Sanders knows that; his "so-called" supporters not so much.

O'Malley is not the enemy. He doesn't work for Wall Street. Check out who his donors were when he ran for governor: unions, law firms, green technologies, teachers. If some folks are too uninformed to realize that, I feel sorry for them and for the candidate they claim to support.

[Agschmid]

19. Cause there is a banner dammit!

Don't you see it!

TROJAN HORSE

TROJAN HORSE

TROJAN HORSE



... Guess that 3% is scary.

[Raine1967]

172. I don;t understand it either.

It's almost as tho come people feel a deep need to tear down fellow democratic nominees. I find it rather ugly.

[JustAnotherGen]

53. plus 1000

Fsogol did a pretty good job pointing out how at odds O'Malley is with their agenda.

[Andy823]

12. interesting

You started out going after Clinton, now you have moved to O'Malley. Who will it be next?

[Cheese Sandwich]

17. Come on now. People need to know this stuff. Forewarned is forearmed.

We don't want to accidentally nominate another Wall Street politician.

[Agschmid]

30. So Obama is a Wall St. politician?

[Scuba]

97. Are you contesting that?

[Koinos]

18. Well, we still have Lincoln Chafee and Jim Webb -- maybe even Biden for them to pick on.

Absurdities piled on absurdities.

[appalachiablue]

13. K & R.

[hrmjustin]

20. Is he the new Boogeyman now?

[Agschmid]

22. Yes.

Because all the Hillary posters are on timeout apparently.

[hrmjustin]

23. Ye this so true and sad.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

21. I like the ex governor...The nerve of him to be a mainstream Democrat...

eom

[Cheese Sandwich]

24. mainstream = Wall Street ?

[Agschmid]

25. Nah.

[99Forever]

26. "Mainstream Democrat"????????????? Bwahahahahahahah.

Cool story , bro.

[elleng]

32. THANKS, DemocratSinceBirth.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

34. He seems well intentioned. I don't have a desire to deride him./nt

[elleng]

38. Good. He's not only well-intentioned, he's well accomplished.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

42. I concur...Good governor, good person, good Democrat.../eom

[Enthusiast]

28. Kicked and recommended a whole bunch!

I'm glad to know about the O'Malley ties to Third Way. I suspected as much after what he said about Bernie.

[elleng]

31. NO ties, this sandwich person's been mischaracterising Governor O'Malley frequently in this way.

I guess he somehow gets a charge from doing this, hoping (for some secret reason) he'll keep the Governor's rightful place hidden from DU.

The libertarian news site, The Intercept and some DUers have charged that O'Malley is DLC.

Despite their assertions, O'Malley was never a member or co-chair of the DLC. Here's a 2002 article on how O'Malley rejected membership in the DLC.

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2002-12-04/news/0212040053_1_martin-omalley-democratic-leadership-council-democratic-party

Some excerpts:

O'Malley said he was recruited to join the DLC soon after he was elected mayor three years ago. He said that although he enjoys debating strategy with the organization, he doesn't subscribe to all the positions of its leadership.

He said he made clear his differences in discussions that included leaders such as Sens. Joseph I. Lieberman of Connecticut and Evan Bayh of Indiana and focused on what the council calls the "battle over the soul of the Democratic Party."


and

O'Malley is neither an "old" nor a "new" Democrat. He's of a younger generation than the baby boomers who dominate the Democratic Party and founded the DLC. As his supporters often point out, O'Malley is a post-civil rights era Democrat who is not replaying the riots of 1968 in his mind and is not locked into the racial and ideological clashes of that period.

"O'Malley is very difficult to categorize," said Carol Arscott, an Annapolis-based pollster. "His opposition to the death penalty clearly doesn't fit into the DLC mold."

[Agschmid]

37. Yup.

Another day another attempted candidate character assassination.

[Maedhros]

56. I have a lot of respect for you elleng.

Saying things like "the libertarian news site, The Intercept" makes me wince.

[elleng]

67. Was quoting a DUer, Maedros.

I surely wouldn't make you wince intentionally!

[TM99]

101. I get that he is your candidate of choice,

however, y'all continue to post a 2002 article in order to debunk actions that occurred in 2011 and 2012.

So 10 years later, O'Malley is still chumming around with the Third Way, attending their forums & discussions, and one from 2012 was touted for pushing O'Malley as a candidate of choice in 2016 for those aligned with Third Way neo-liberalism.

Why, if O'Malley has denied a connection, does he continue to have a connection with them? Is he lying? Or is he like his buddies the Clinton? Is he unprincipled and pandering to whoever will support him in his presidential bid?

[Raine1967]

152. This should be an OP.

People won;t debate the issues and instead are shoo sing to spread lies.

It's pathetic.

[elleng]

161. It IS pathetic, Raine.

[JustAnotherGen]

55. there are no ties to the Third Way

What's next? He secretly cavorts with Rush and Coulter?

He's at 3% in the polls - no worries.

[Raine1967]

155. What's next? I can tell you:

HE once atea Chik Fil A sandwich so there fore he is a fundamentalist right wing hater of the gays.

This is all nuts.

[JustAnotherGen]

180. Worse

He kicks random puppies. Cue PETA protests!

[NCTraveler]

98. Good job kicking and celebrating a deceptive and dishonest op.

It's much easier than reading and learning.

[elleng]

35. B.S., as noted. Do NOT let those with hidden agendas like sandwiches deter DU's search for FACTS.

Despite their assertions, O'Malley was never a member or co-chair of the DLC. Here's a 2002 article on how O'Malley rejected membership in the DLC.

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2002-12-04/news/0212040053_1_martin-omalley-democratic-leadership-council-democratic-party

Some excerpts:

O'Malley said he was recruited to join the DLC soon after he was elected mayor three years ago. He said that although he enjoys debating strategy with the organization, he doesn't subscribe to all the positions of its leadership.

He said he made clear his differences in discussions that included leaders such as Sens. Joseph I. Lieberman of Connecticut and Evan Bayh of Indiana and focused on what the council calls the "battle over the soul of the Democratic Party."


and

O'Malley is neither an "old" nor a "new" Democrat. He's of a younger generation than the baby boomers who dominate the Democratic Party and founded the DLC. As his supporters often point out, O'Malley is a post-civil rights era Democrat who is not replaying the riots of 1968 in his mind and is not locked into the racial and ideological clashes of that period.

"O'Malley is very difficult to categorize," said Carol Arscott, an Annapolis-based pollster. "His opposition to the death penalty clearly doesn't fit into the DLC mold."

[Cheese Sandwich]

44. elleng, These posts only show some true relationship of Martin O'Malley with Third Way

This point is bold and clear, not hidden in any way.

Also you said this:

Despite their assertions, O'Malley was never a member or co-chair of the DLC. Here's a 2002 article on how O'Malley rejected membership in the DLC.

I don't recall ever claiming Martin O'Malley was a member of the DLC. You must be referring to someone else. I feel you are bringing that topic up to deflect and distract from these great photos of O'Malley's Third Way meetings in 2011 and 2012. You are presenting a thing from 2002 about the DLC in response to a thing from 2011 and 2012 about the Third Way.

It would be so ridiculous for me to sit here and say you must have some hidden agenda of trying to defend Martin O'Malley, because it's not hidden at all.

I'm also getting mixed mixed messages from O'Malley supporters as to whether he had no relation to Third Way, or whether he did and it's something to be proud of because it shows he is "mainstream" or something. If there's nothing wrong with O'Malley's Third Way appearances, then it's funny how his defenders seem so concerned about deflecting from it.

Respectfully, Cheese Sandwich

[bigtree]

36. and all of these 'third way' accomplishments/acts achieved in office

1. Ended death penalty in Maryland
2. Prevented fracking in Maryland and put regulations in the way to prevent next GOP Gov Hogan fom easily allowing fracking.
3. Provided health insurance for 380,000
4. Reduced infant mortality to an all time low.
5. Provided meals to thousands of hungry children and moved toward a goal for eradicating childhood hunger.
6. Enacted a $10.10 living wage and a $11. minimum wage for State workers.
7. Supporter the Dream Act
8. Cut income taxes for 86% of Marylanders (raised taxes on the rich).
9. Reformed Maryland’s tax code to make it more progressive.
10. Enacted some of the nation’s most comprehensive reforms to protect homeowners from foreclosure.

Mother Jones magazine called him the best candidate on environmental issues.
Article here:
http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/12/martin-omalley-longshot-presidential-candidate-and-real-climate-hawk

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/gov-martin-omalley-takes-on-gop-speech-to-firefighters/video/bc-4103291832001

NEA named Maryland’s Martin O’Malley ‘America’s Greatest Education Governor’
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1281944

As governor, O'Malley signed a bill allowing young immigrants illegally in the U.S. to pay in-state college tuition and to a bill to get driver's licenses.

He was the first governor to meet with Latino leaders last year and sign up to push House Republicans to bring immigration reform legislation to a vote, which they never did

He has shown respect that many in the immigrant community say is lacking in debates on immigration by using the term new Americans to refer to immigrants, whether here legally or not. He also established a state council to focus on integrating immigrants.

He opposed White House proposals to return young Central American children and families who crossed the U.S-Mexico border last summer, saying they would face "certain death."

On deportations - an issue that still vexes the current administration - O'Malley stopped Baltimore's City Detention Center from holding immigrants without criminal records for deportation by the federal government.


Gov. O'Malley signed into law the Fairness for All Marylanders Act, extending housing, public accommodations, and employment protections to transgender citizens and visitors of the state.
read: http://www.advocate.com/politics/transgender/2014/05/15/md-gov-signs-trans-nondiscrimination-bill-law


Martin O'Malley signed a 2009 Greenhouse Gas Reduction Act far ahead of most other states, & the EPA
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/heather-taylormiesle/the-thing-we-should-be-ta_b_7545470.html?utm_hp_ref=climate-change/

Martin O'Malley boasts a strong record on environmental issues in his time as Governor, including doubling the state's renewable energy standard to 20 percent. Far ahead of most other states, and even the EPA, O'Malley signed Maryland's 2009 Greenhouse Gas Reduction Act, which set a statewide goal of reducing greenhouse gas emissions 25 percent below 2006 levels by 2020. By 2012, Maryland had driven down greenhouse gas emissions by nearly 10 percent compared to 2006, and by 20 percent compared to "business as usual" projections.

In 2011, Maryland League of Conservation Voters gave Gov. O'Malley a B+ overall in their Governor's Report Card (and an A for climate change).

from the Environmental Defense Fund:

In addition to the 2008 Climate Action Plan and the new GGRA Plan, Gov. O’Malley’s key accomplishments include:

(2008) Amendment to the Maryland Renewable Energy Portfolio Standard doubled the existing standard to require that 20% of Maryland's energy be created by renewable resources by 2022, including 2% from solar energy;

(2008) EmPOWER Maryland Act set an energy efficiency target and peak demand reduction target of 15% by 2015;

(2008) Maryland Strategic Energy Investment Program was created using revenues from the Northeast RGGI to offset ratepayers’ electricity bills and invest in energy efficiency programs;

(2009) Maryland Greenhouse Gas Emissions Reduction Act requires Maryland to cut greenhouse gas emissions 25% below 2006 levels by 2020; and

(2013) Maryland Offshore Wind Energy Act of 2013 created a fund to build 200 megawatts of wind energy, which Gov. O’Malley intends to use to construct one of the nation’s first offshore wind energy farms off the coast of Ocean City.

http://blogs.edf.org/energyexchange/2013/07/29/marylands-governor-omalley-leads-the-way-on-climate-and-clean-energy-policy/

O’Malley has received a “100 percent” rating from NARAL Pro-Choice Maryland

O’Malley’s high marks from NARAL are proven by his track record. In 2002, while he was serving as mayor of Baltimore, aides confirmed that O’Malley supports legal abortion and fair access without interference from the government until the point of viability. He also supports late-term abortion when the life of the mother is at risk, or when the fetus has a severe abnormality. And according to NARAL Pro-Choice Maryland, O’Malley has not infringed on abortion rights by signing any new abortion restrictions during his tenure as governor.

When it comes to birth control, O’Malley has increased access to contraception and pregnancy counseling, particularly among low-income women. In 2012, O’Malley signed the Family Planning Works Act, which greatly expanded reproductive-health access by providing low-income women with free pregnancy counseling and Medicaid-funded contraception, STI testing and cancer screenings. According to RH Reality Check, the act would provide these subsidized medical services to an additional 33,000 women in the state.

O’Malley has also promoted increased support for new mothers (and fathers) by signing the Maryland Parental Leave Act in 2014. The law expands parental leave for working parents, requiring Maryland small businesses to provide at least six weeks of unpaid leave for the birth of an employee’s child. Prior to the law, small businesses were exempted from providing unpaid family leave.

read: http://plannedparenthoodaction.org/elections-politics/newsroom/press-releases/planned-parenthood-action-fund-welcomes-martin-omalley-presidential-field/

When it comes to birth control, O’Malley has increased access to contraception and pregnancy counseling, particularly among low-income women. In 2012, O’Malley signed the Family Planning Works Act, which greatly expanded reproductive-health access by providing low-income women with free pregnancy counseling and Medicaid-funded contraception, STI testing and cancer screenings. According to RH Reality Check, the act would provide these subsidized medical services to an additional 33,000 women in the state.

O’Malley has also promoted increased support for new mothers (and fathers) by signing the Maryland Parental Leave Act in 2014. The law expands parental leave for working parents, requiring Maryland small businesses to provide at least six weeks of unpaid leave for the birth of an employee’s child. Prior to the law, small businesses were exempted from providing unpaid family leave.

read: http://plannedparenthoodaction.org/elections-politics/newsroom/press-releases/planned-parenthood-action-fund-welcomes-martin-omalley-presidential-field/


Maryland, under Martin O'Malley, tied for having the lowest wage gap between our working men and women of any state in the nation...Maryland currently has the third-lowest poverty rate for women in the nation.

Maryland is the No. 1 state in the nation for women-owned businesses -- one-third of Maryland businesses are women-owned. Maryland also ranks third in the nation in percentage of managerial jobs held by women at 42.4 percent.

here's the report, well worth the read-thru: https://www.americanprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/StateOfWomenReport.pdf

[Agschmid]

39. Kicked.

[elleng]

40. Thanks and Happy 4th (weekend,) bigtree.

[bigtree]

41. right there with you, elleng!

...happy 4th weekend, to you as well!

[Raine1967]

169. Well that is it. I give up my support!

[olddots]

43. familiarity grows contempt

this is all I need to know about Mr. O'Malley.

[elleng]

45. Try FACTS, olddots, and leave your contempt along the side of the road.

1. Ended death penalty in Maryland
2. Prevented fracking in Maryland and put regulations in the way to prevent next GOP Gov Hogan fom easily allowing fracking.
3. Provided health insurance for 380,000
4. Reduced infant mortality to an all time low.
5. Provided meals to thousands of hungry children and moved toward a goal for eradicating childhood hunger.
6. Enacted a $10.10 living wage and a $11. minimum wage for State workers.
7. Supporter the Dream Act
8. Cut income taxes for 86% of Marylanders (raised taxes on the rich).
9. Reformed Maryland’s tax code to make it more progressive.
10. Enacted some of the nation’s most comprehensive reforms to protect homeowners from foreclosure.

Mother Jones magazine called him the best candidate on environmental issues.
Article here:
http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/12/martin-omalley-longshot-presidential-candidate-and-real-climate-hawk

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/gov-martin-omalley-takes-on-gop-speech-to-firefighters/video/bc-4103291832001

NEA named Maryland’s Martin O’Malley ‘America’s Greatest Education Governor’
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1281944

As governor, O'Malley signed a bill allowing young immigrants illegally in the U.S. to pay in-state college tuition and to a bill to get driver's licenses.

He was the first governor to meet with Latino leaders last year and sign up to push House Republicans to bring immigration reform legislation to a vote, which they never did

He has shown respect that many in the immigrant community say is lacking in debates on immigration by using the term new Americans to refer to immigrants, whether here legally or not. He also established a state council to focus on integrating immigrants.

He opposed White House proposals to return young Central American children and families who crossed the U.S-Mexico border last summer, saying they would face "certain death."


On deportations - an issue that still vexes the current administration - O'Malley stopped Baltimore's City Detention Center from holding immigrants without criminal records for deportation by the federal government.


Gov. O'Malley signed into law the Fairness for All Marylanders Act, extending housing, public accommodations, and employment protections to transgender citizens and visitors of the state.
read: http://www.advocate.com/politics/transgender/2014/05/15/md-gov-signs-trans-nondiscrimination-bill-law


Martin O'Malley signed a 2009 Greenhouse Gas Reduction Act far ahead of most other states, & the EPA
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/heather-taylormiesle/the-thing-we-should-be-ta_b_7545470.html?utm_hp_ref=climate-change/

Martin O'Malley boasts a strong record on environmental issues in his time as Governor, including doubling the state's renewable energy standard to 20 percent. Far ahead of most other states, and even the EPA, O'Malley signed Maryland's 2009 Greenhouse Gas Reduction Act, which set a statewide goal of reducing greenhouse gas emissions 25 percent below 2006 levels by 2020. By 2012, Maryland had driven down greenhouse gas emissions by nearly 10 percent compared to 2006, and by 20 percent compared to "business as usual" projections.

In 2011, Maryland League of Conservation Voters gave Gov. O'Malley a B+ overall in their Governor's Report Card (and an A for climate change).


from the Environmental Defense Fund:

In addition to the 2008 Climate Action Plan and the new GGRA Plan, Gov. O’Malley’s key accomplishments include:

(2008) Amendment to the Maryland Renewable Energy Portfolio Standard doubled the existing standard to require that 20% of Maryland's energy be created by renewable resources by 2022, including 2% from solar energy;

(2008) EmPOWER Maryland Act set an energy efficiency target and peak demand reduction target of 15% by 2015;

(2008) Maryland Strategic Energy Investment Program was created using revenues from the Northeast RGGI to offset ratepayers’ electricity bills and invest in energy efficiency programs;

(2009) Maryland Greenhouse Gas Emissions Reduction Act requires Maryland to cut greenhouse gas emissions 25% below 2006 levels by 2020; and

(2013) Maryland Offshore Wind Energy Act of 2013 created a fund to build 200 megawatts of wind energy, which Gov. O’Malley intends to use to construct one of the nation’s first offshore wind energy farms off the coast of Ocean City.

http://blogs.edf.org/energyexchange/2013/07/29/marylands-governor-omalley-leads-the-way-on-climate-and-clean-energy-policy/



O’Malley has received a “100 percent” rating from NARAL Pro-Choice Maryland


O’Malley’s high marks from NARAL are proven by his track record. In 2002, while he was serving as mayor of Baltimore, aides confirmed that O’Malley supports legal abortion and fair access without interference from the government until the point of viability. He also supports late-term abortion when the life of the mother is at risk, or when the fetus has a severe abnormality. And according to NARAL Pro-Choice Maryland, O’Malley has not infringed on abortion rights by signing any new abortion restrictions during his tenure as governor.

When it comes to birth control, O’Malley has increased access to contraception and pregnancy counseling, particularly among low-income women. In 2012, O’Malley signed the Family Planning Works Act, which greatly expanded reproductive-health access by providing low-income women with free pregnancy counseling and Medicaid-funded contraception, STI testing and cancer screenings. According to RH Reality Check, the act would provide these subsidized medical services to an additional 33,000 women in the state.

O’Malley has also promoted increased support for new mothers (and fathers) by signing the Maryland Parental Leave Act in 2014. The law expands parental leave for working parents, requiring Maryland small businesses to provide at least six weeks of unpaid leave for the birth of an employee’s child. Prior to the law, small businesses were exempted from providing unpaid family leave.

read: http://plannedparenthoodaction.org/elections-politics/newsroom/press-releases/planned-parenthood-action-fund-welcomes-martin-omalley-presidential-field/



When it comes to birth control, O’Malley has increased access to contraception and pregnancy counseling, particularly among low-income women. In 2012, O’Malley signed the Family Planning Works Act, which greatly expanded reproductive-health access by providing low-income women with free pregnancy counseling and Medicaid-funded contraception, STI testing and cancer screenings. According to RH Reality Check, the act would provide these subsidized medical services to an additional 33,000 women in the state.

O’Malley has also promoted increased support for new mothers (and fathers) by signing the Maryland Parental Leave Act in 2014. The law expands parental leave for working parents, requiring Maryland small businesses to provide at least six weeks of unpaid leave for the birth of an employee’s child. Prior to the law, small businesses were exempted from providing unpaid family leave.

read: http://plannedparenthoodaction.org/elections-politics/newsroom/press-releases/planned-parenthood-action-fund-welcomes-martin-omalley-presidential-field/


Maryland, under Martin O'Malley, tied for having the lowest wage gap between our working men and women of any state in the nation...Maryland currently has the third-lowest poverty rate for women in the nation.

Maryland is the No. 1 state in the nation for women-owned businesses -- one-third of Maryland businesses are women-owned. Maryland also ranks third in the nation in percentage of managerial jobs held by women at 42.4 percent.

here's the report, well worth the read-thru: https://www.americanprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/StateOfWomenReport.pdf

[Kalidurga]

52. Thank you

we have got to stop seeing all the candidates that we don't support as the enemy. They are not the enemy they are the prospective leaders of our party, every one of them has some merit in several areas. I will continue to support Bernie, but it won't be by trying to character assassinate other good Democrats.

[elleng]

68. Thank YOU, Kalidurga.

We MUST not see eachother as 'the enemy.' That's just what the REAL enemy wants!

[Agschmid]

76. Yup.

[JustAnotherGen]

59. Amen - and I see a struggle

For some to insist that a DC insider will actually bring about change.

Below Cheese posted some interesting links - I intend to use them for good at the Italian Immigrants club I'm a member of through my marriage this week.

His negative is going to be used for positive by me.

[elleng]

69. LOVE YOU, Gen!

[cascadiance]

126. I think we should be careful... Even if he isn't Third Way, they could be happy to promote him...

... to provoke a split in votes that might otherwise go to Bernie. I'm not saying that I wouldn't support O'Malley at some point. I might. But I feel I know Bernie from his years on the Thom Hartmann show and in other contexts, and I feel he's someone I can trust and support.

Even if O'Malley's rejected the Third Way and might be a decent person to support as well, let's not discount that perhaps the Third Way is facilitating publicity in such a way to foment this kind of 'fight' in places like here between our two different campaigns so that we can be less of a threat to their candidate Hillary for the nomination. I think we maintain the healthy respect, and try to find out more about each others' candidates to see how strongly we support our own versus the other's stances on issues, and if they are very close, then perhaps we can fall back to the other's candidate when one of them drops out later if and when that happens.

I think personally that Bernie has many other benefits by being careful NOT to take too much campaign money from other sources and getting a LOT of grass roots money support, to help him maintain his image of honesty and integrity. That's hard to replicate, especially when coupled with his ability to speak to many different issues that he uniquely does more than just about any other Senator when having his weekly town halls on the radio.

I will always be leery of any candidate that has Third Way ties, but I won't jump on to public bandwagons against people unless I feel I know them to be compromised.

[elleng]

127. There's nothing remotely 'third way' about Martin O'Malley, cascadiance.

Briefly, Martin O'Malley:

1. Ended death penalty in Maryland
2. Prevented fracking in Maryland and put regulations in the way to prevent next GOP Gov Hogan fom easily allowing fracking.
3. Provided health insurance for 380,000
4. Reduced infant mortality to an all time low.
5. Provided meals to thousands of hungry children and moved toward a goal for eradicating childhood hunger.
6. Enacted a $10.10 living wage and a $11. minimum wage for State workers.
7. Supporter the Dream Act
8. Cut income taxes for 86% of Marylanders (raised taxes on the rich).
9. Reformed Maryland’s tax code to make it more progressive.
10. Enacted some of the nation’s most comprehensive reforms to protect homeowners from foreclosure.

Mother Jones magazine called him the best candidate on environmental issues.
Article here:
http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/12/martin-omalley-longshot-presidential-candidate-and-real-climate-hawk

More like disruptors around HERE doing this for their own 'hidden' agendas.

[cascadiance]

128. I have no reason to believe that O'Malley's in bed with Third Way either...

I have NOTHING against him so far as a candidate. It is just that I know Bernie well from hearing him talking on the radio for years, and Bernie is the right guy at this point, and he's the one that's got momentum. When I get some more free time, I'll have to study O'Malley more, if at some point I may need to look at him as an alternative candidate rather than Bernie for whatever reason. I think also that Bernie's radio exposure makes him more of a "national" candidate than just one that gets support from the East Coast. Now granted many independents, etc. don't listen to that radio show, but I think those that do are all over the country, and not just on the East Coast. I have a feeling that O'Malley is more someone that the east coast recognizes more than we do here on the West Coast, which is why so many of us here have to "study" him more and aren't as drawn to him as we are to Bernie now.

I was just noting that even if neither Bernie and O'Malley have nothing to do with Third Way, one could see that if their supporters could be pushed in to fighting each other, and split the vote that is looking for a different candidate than Hillary that much more, how Third Way might be interested in pushing controversies for both of these candidates and to push them to go after each other more than going after Hillary on campaign issues.

As some have noted in the past, Republicans in many states sought to split the vote between Gore and Nader voters, and succeeded very well in making Nader in to a "demon", even though he has absolutely no philosophical ties to Republicans.

This is the problem we face with a winner-take-all system that has no proportional representation in it nor instant runoff voting, to promote people to really try and support the candidates they believe in and not a lot of this petty gamesmanship that happens so much in our elections now.

[sabrina 1]

46. Well, that explains his Super Pac attack on the Progressive in this race. The Third Way

hates Progressives way more than they hate Republicans. And will spend their time going after them while ignoring Republican extremism.

One perfect example recently was when two of the Third Way's founders went after Elizabeth Warren for speaking out against Wall St, in Murdoch's Wall St Journal.

It was a pathetic, paternalistic assault on a Female US Senator 'admonishing' her saying that they had been watching her and had decided that enough is enough.

Sadly for them they ended up being the ones who were admonished, the backlash was fierce, as it should be. Since then they refuse to discuss that ill-fated OP Ed.

But IF they are Dems, why on earth they come out of the woodwork to attack a Democrat rather than use the space to go after a few Republicans?

THIS is what is wrong with the Dem Party and what must be fixed before we have only party totally. At the moment we have one and a half parties. We need two at least.

[Agschmid]

47. He does not control "his" Super PAC.

Stop.

[sabrina 1]

50. Has he apologized to Sanders if he had nothing to do with it? Why would one Democratic

candidate endorse, by their silence assuming he has not made clear he does not endorse a Super Pac using negative ads against another Democratic candidate?

I have seen nothing to say he does not approve of that attack ad so I assume he is fine with it.

And please do not tell me to be quiet.

[Agschmid]

51. Please...

I didn't tell you to be quiet.

Sometimes you post great stuff, sometimes it's something like this.

A streeeeetch, careful now you might hurt yourself.

[zappaman]

74. Nailed it.

[Koinos]

77. You apparently neglected to read this.

Just because you haven't read it doesn't mean it doesn't exist:

“We live in a perverse system where there are no limits on super PACs,” he said. “Citizens United should be called ‘Citizens Don’t Matter.'” This O’Malley answer was in response to a negative ad under his name published by a super PAC. He told them of his “extreme displeasure” in their publishing anything negative against anyone, including Democratic Presidential candidate Bernie Sanders (‘Bernie Sanders is no progressive when it comes to guns’) or, if it came up, to Hillary Clinton, the top runner in the Democratic field.

http://greenecountynewsonline.com/2015/07/01/will-omalley-be-an-extension-of-obama/

[Koinos]

78. Martin O'Malley expresses 'extreme displeasure' in PAC publishing anything negative against anyone.

“We live in a perverse system where there are no limits on super PACs,” he said. “Citizens United should be called ‘Citizens Don’t Matter.'” This O’Malley answer was in response to a negative ad under his name published by a super PAC. He told them of his “extreme displeasure” in their publishing anything negative against anyone, including Democratic Presidential candidate Bernie Sanders (‘Bernie Sanders is no progressive when it comes to guns’) or, if it came up, to Hillary Clinton, the top runner in the Democratic field.

http://greenecountynewsonline.com/2015/07/01/will-omalley-be-an-extension-of-obama/

So, be quiet.

[sabrina 1]

95. Good for him. If you think you or anyone else will ever have any success with

that attitude, you could not be more mistaken. I am interested only in facts. I asked a question, you answered it, too bad you didn't just leave it at that rather than emulating the bad attitude of someone else.

O'Malley was my choice until Bernie Sanders entered the race and I am glad that I was not wrong about him.

Now I will go and be as loud as I possibly can be on behalf the best candidate we have had in a long, long time, here and elsewhere.

Feel free to do the same, I am a Democrat I do not tell people they have no right to speak. Got enough of that from Bush supporters, not that it ever worked then either.

[bigtree]

48. it's not his PAC (aside from your embrace of this bullshit post)

...it's an independent one which he had zero control over, like Bernie's:


PACs promote Sanders, whether he likes it or not

By USA TODAY

WASHINGTON — Sen. Bernie Sanders has long denounced super PACs and the unlimited sums they spend in support of candidates.

But that hasn't stopped independent political action committees from forming in support of his bid for the Democratic presidential nomination.

One such committee, "Bet on Bernie 2016," even arranged for Sanders' photo to flash — without his knowledge, according to the Vermont senator — on an electronic billboard last month in New York City's Times Square.

"I have not sanctioned any super PAC," Sanders, an independent, said in an interview. "A major problem of our campaign finance system is that anybody can start a super PAC on behalf of anybody and can say anything. And this is what makes our current campaign finance situation totally absurd."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2015/05/30/pacs-promote-sanders/28159039/


There is absolutely zero linkage between O'Malley and this cool story about Warren, either.

Martin O'Malley expresses 'extreme displeasure' in PAC publishing anything negative against anyone

___Reporters ask leading questions, snotty questions, inappropriate questions and questions that are important to furthering the public’s knowledge. The latter is the business of a free press, but, alas, they often forget. Rather than the press, it was inquisitive people, some of them supporters, some merely the curious, in this particular audience who asked sensible questions. Some of O’Malley’s answers to some of the good questions Sunday were:

“The genius of our land is immigration.” This in answer to what he thinks of immigration problems.

“No other people leave their kids with a mountain of debt.” This in regard to student college loans that bankrupt our kids before they even get a job.

“A good trade treaty raises standards for workers and the environment.” This in regard to a question about his position on the Trans Pacific Partnership in Congress right now. O’Malley does not support this trade agreement because he thinks it’s too secret, it takes even more jobs away from the U.S. than we’ve given up to date and it doesn’t consider the environment.

“We live in a perverse system where there are no limits on super PACs,” he said. “Citizens United should be called ‘Citizens Don’t Matter.'” This O’Malley answer was in response to a negative ad under his name published by a super PAC. He told them of his “extreme displeasure” in their publishing anything negative against anyone, including Democratic Presidential candidate Bernie Sanders (‘Bernie Sanders is no progressive when it comes to guns’) or, if it came up, to Hillary Clinton, the top runner in the Democratic field.

read more: http://greenecountynewsonline.com/2015/07/01/will-omalley-be-an-extension-of-obama/

[Cheese Sandwich]

57. This seems like a good place to put these links for safe keeping

In case they disappear...


https://web.archive.org/web/20150705205205/http://old.thirdway.org/events/89

https://web.archive.org/web/20150705205330/http://old.thirdway.org/events/54

https://web.archive.org/web/20150705205437/http://thirdwaythinktank.tumblr.com/post/12326675776

https://web.archive.org/web/20150705205616/http://www.marylandjuice.com/2012/04/juiceblender-reporters-on-gov-martin.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/maryland-politics/post/omalley-advertised-as-hot-prospect-for-2016/2012/04/17/gIQAZJiSOT_blog.html

[JustAnotherGen]

58. Thanks! adding to journal

Can use these on my smartphone when I'm canvassing for him!

[zappaman]

64. !!!

[Koinos]

79. Too bad you haven't read what the man has actually said...

and has actually accomplished. I feel sorry for you.

I was once told: Never vilify a good man.

If you are the enemy of your friends, what friends will you have?

[Enthusiast]

105. Yes. Keep those links handy.

If a Democratic candidate has the slightest whiff of Third Way about them they are fully and entirely disqualified to hold office as a Democrat (IMO). However they would remain acceptable as a Republican.

[zappaman]

62. Lol!

Put some ham on it and I might agree!

[Thinkingabout]

75. Here is a group of Democrats with plans to help working Americans, real plans to move this country

Forward. Have fun trash in them and try to do some planning to raise the Hard working people and present it.

[Koinos]

80. Painting oneself in a very small corner.

[Thinkingabout]

81. Nope, where is your plan?

[Koinos]

90. Actually, I was agreeing with you about those who are alienating themselves.

[Thinkingabout]

91. Sorry

[Koinos]

92. Nothing to be sorry about.

[Cheese Sandwich]

82. Pushing to cut Social Security is really moving the country forward huh?

They're funded by Wall Street and the donors are also closely connected to the Republicans.

A trojan horse if you will.

[Thinkingabout]

83. You are wrong on the Third Way wanting to cut social security, they realize it needs some reforms to

Insure the funds are available in the future. Provide a link where they are cutting social security. The Trojan horse is whoever provided you the information where they are going to cut social security, they fooled you.

[Cheese Sandwich]

84. wow

Wall Street Uses the Third Way to Lead Its Assault on Social Security
http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/12778-wall-street-uses-the-third-way-to-lead-its-assault-on-social-security

Elizabeth Warren Calls Third Way 'Flatly Wrong' In Social Security Fight
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/05/elizabeth-warren-third-way_n_4393201.html

Wall Street Finds a ‘Third Way’ to Plunder Our Wealth
http://ourfuture.org/20121119/wall-street-finds-a-third-way-to-plunder-our-wealth

[Thinkingabout]

85. There are three of your trojan horses.

[Cheese Sandwich]

87. LOL

[JustAnotherGen]

96. He doesn't want to Cut social security

I don't know where you got that from?

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/31/us/politics/martin-omalley-on-the-issues.htm

Mr. O’Malley has focused his economic message on income inequality and his belief that the financial sector is too concentrated, exposing the nation to unnecessary risks. He wants to break up the nation’s biggest banks and reinstate a version of the Glass-Steagall Act, which prevented commercial banks from engaging in investment banking business. (The law was repealed under President Bill Clinton.) Mr. O’Malley also says he wants to expand Social Security benefits, and would pay for the expansion by subjecting annual incomes above $118,500 to Social Security taxes. He opposes the Trans-Pacific Partnership treaty, which would reduce tariffs with nations across the Pacific Rim, and — eyeing Mrs. Clinton, who has avoided taking a clear position on it — said American workers whose jobs could be threatened by the agreement “deserve to know where leaders stand.”

Mr. O’Malley also says he wants to expand Social Security benefits, and would pay for the expansion by subjecting annual incomes above $118,500 to Social Security taxes.

If you use advance search and type in my username - and the words "tax me now" - you will see me double dog daring people to vote for politicians that will do this.


No fire brand speeches.
No hand clapping and foot stomping.
No huge crowds.

Do it.

It's simple. It's a simple solution.

If you don't like O'Malley because he's not Sanders - that's your right.

But to make the statement you did on this thread when there is no truth to it is just - inherently dishonest. It doesn't helps the Democratic Party define its platform in the General Election.

And I'm at Democratic Underground - that means I'm only interested in electing Democratic Party members. The platform in 2016 will determine the fate of our Baby Boomers. Don't play games with their lives like that.


ETA - you can't find a single vote in Congress made by Governor O'Malley to cut Social Security. You can see his states median income and minimum wage. Make more, pay more.

[FSogol]

100. "Inherently dishonest" is a pretty good description on what is going on here. n/t

[JustAnotherGen]

104. I just can't believe a member of the Democratic Party

Would make such a sordid claim against someone who has obviously rejected that path.

The story is - Martin O'Malley rejected them.

He's Just Not Into Them

Why Democratic Governors adhere to some values and act on them - and not others.

The Rules - Time-tested Secrets for Capturing the Hearts of the Democratic Left.

Why He Disappeared - the Secret to Not Only Keeping Your Progressive Values - But Making Others Feel Like They Never want to let go of those beliefs!


Okay - being silly with 'plays on the titles' of some well known dating/relationship books - but silly deserves silly.

[Cheese Sandwich]

107. How is it dishonest? In 2012 Third Way was promoting O'Malley as a hot prospect?

That's dishonest? Why? How?

[FSogol]

108. Recuriting, not promoting. O'Malley was never a member of the 3 way think tank.

His accomplishments and positions fly in the face of that group. That's why your posts and those other transparent ones are dishonest.

[JustAnotherGen]

112. Thanks for pointing out how transparent the OP was

And disingenuous.

It was a smear job - from someone who is completely uninformed about O'Malley's background.

[Cheese Sandwich]

113. Well I agree that it is totally transparent.

I suppose that's a step up from being told it was a hidden agenda.

But at the same time it is honest, because Third Way did promote this private press event featuring Gov. O'Malley on the basis of him being a hot prospect for president.

[FSogol]

115. Yes, a Democratic Party think tank (even a right leaning one) would be nuts to ignore a

great candidate like O'Malley. Those groups increase their power by attracting young rising stars in the party. O'Malley isn't/wasn't a good fit for their group. No matter how many times you repeat it, this isn't going to change.

[JustAnotherGen]

119. Could you tell this to HFRN?

The latest joiner who will disappear from DU when O'Malley or Clinton get the nomination. Seriously - the good thing is in the G.E. these non Democratic Party members will be gone from DU.

[Cheese Sandwich]

120. Repeat what?

He was a good enough fit to be invited to speak there in 2011, and back again in 2012. And a good enough fit for him to to accept the offer and go there and shake hands and take pictures.

That's true. So repeating that is repeating the truth. If that's inconvenient for you, too bad.

Some people are extremely defensive of O'Malley. It's like nobody is supposed to say anything negative about the guy, or they get swarmed and sometimes personally attacked.

No other candidate gets that kind of special privilege besides Martin O'Malley.

Very sharp criticisms are posted against candidates Clinton and Sanders on DU nearly every day.

O'Malley is the one candidate that is supposed to get just constant praise, even though he's got more crap baggage than anyone.

[FSogol]

124. I'm really sorry you don't understand politics on any level. Also, there is a vast difference

between criticism and attacks. While we refute criticism, we'll always call BS on attacks, especially on nonsense attacks.

You think people here are more defensive of O'Malley than Sanders or HRC? That's just delusional.

[Cheese Sandwich]

125. So O'Malley has repeat events with Third Way, and stating this fact is considered an unfair attack?

You consider facts, history, and photographs to be attacks?

Weird.

No other candidate expects constant fawning praise without having to account for facts.

[Cheese Sandwich]

106. I said Third Way, meaning the think tank, pushes to cut Social Security

I never said O'Malley wanted to cut SS.

[JustAnotherGen]

109. Should never have been brought up in this thread

The op was crafting him as in their back pockets - not true.

He turned them away.


Then this post hammers home again how AWFUL they are.

O'Malley would agree - they are AWFUL.

No go pick on Clinton and Webb and Chafee because this guy is a bonafide liberal and progressive . . . and he's no Washington D.C. insider.


Not our Mr. Smith thank you very much! He didn't pal around in D.C. for 30/40 years.

[HFRN]

110. O'Malley would agree - they (third way) are AWFUL.

can you tell me, in which of these pics, is he denouncing them?

is it this one?



or this one?



or maybe it's this one?

[JustAnotherGen]

114. Show me where he signed up and is getting money from them

This is like trying to sell the Meme that Sanders is the Poster Boy for the NRA.

This is not based in reality.

And you know it.

You can post this picture over and over and over again - doesn't mean he's walking hand in hand with them.

I'm sorry - when did Bernie Sanders bring down the infant mortality rate or leave office as Governor with a minimum wage of $10.10 and the highest median income in the country?

Oh -- that's right - your boy - hasn't done that.

[HFRN]

116. ' doesn't mean he's walking hand in hand with them'

no, it just means that he's giving a talk in front of their banner



i have no idea if they went on a walk afterward, holding hands

[JustAnotherGen]

118. And I have no idea if Bernie Sanders

Makes love with a gun in his hand - I just know he's kissy kissy with the NRA.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2015/05/bernie_sanders_on_guns_vermont_independent_voted_against_gun_control_for.html

He supported the most reprehensible pro-gun legislation in recent memory.

Sanders, an economic populist and middle-class pugilist, doesn’t talk much about guns on the campaign trail. But his voting record paints the picture of a legislator who is both skeptical of gun control and invested in the interests of gun owners—and manufacturers. In 1993, then-Rep. Sanders voted against the Brady Act, which mandated federal background checks for gun purchasers and restricted felons’ access to firearms. As a senator, Sanders supported bills to allow firearms in checked bags on Amtrak trains and block funding to any foreign aid organization that registered or taxed Americans’ guns. Sanders is dubious that gun control could help prevent gun violence, telling one interviewer after Sandy Hook that “if you passed the strongest gun control legislation tomorrow, I don’t think it will have a profound effect on the tragedies we have seen.” (He has since endorsed some modest gun control measures.)

[HFRN]

121. i can understand why you dont want to talk about third way nt

[JustAnotherGen]

123. I'm quite familiar with them

But he is not in any way shape or form affiliated with them.

And truthfully - your posts are reeking of sour grapes.

Why would YOU be so against a man that ended the death penalty in his state?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6921300

Perhaps YOU are a member of that organization who is here trying to smear him on Clinton's behalf.

You seem to know SO much about them.

I mean - fess up. Are you one of them? Do you work for that think tank? You seem awfully vested in this and that's a Clinton tactic.

[Cheese Sandwich]

111. The OP was basically presented without comment...

I did not present him as in their back pockets.

It says simply that in 2012 Third Way was promoting O'Malley as a hot prospect. And these were the sources:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/maryland-politics/post/omalley-advertised-as-hot-prospect-for-2016/2012/04/17/gIQAZJiSOT_blog.html

http://old.thirdway.org/events/89

http://www.marylandjuice.com/2012/04/juiceblender-reporters-on-gov-martin.html

It seems some of O'Malley defenders are extremely defensive and don't want anything posted about O'Malley except praise.

He did make an appearance with Third Way in 2011, and he was invited back in 2012 for this private session, and he went, and he sat with them and got his picture taken.

Not every Democrat does that, or gets invited to do that. Liz Warren would never be invited to speak there. Bernie Sanders would not be invited there. And if invited they probably wouldn't show up.

This is all legitimate public history and legitimate grounds for consideration.

Yes my personal opinion is yeah, O'Malley can't be trusted. But that's just my personal opinion. It's not only based on this, but also on other factors, like his record of abusive police policies in Baltimore.

[JustAnotherGen]

117. Oh horse feathers!

And my personal opinion is that Bernie Sanders is a doddering career politician who is going to lose because he doesn't have a record -

Just pretty words.
Pretty speeches.

He's not getting invited anywhere but the NRA - Because he isn't even a Democratic Party member.

[Cheese Sandwich]

122. Very well then.

[NCTraveler]

99. Sanders supporters must be scared.

Dishonestly smearing O'Malley and his excellent progressive record in order to create a space between him and Sanders. Love it. This is what O'Malley needs. Come on to du this morning and their are multiple hit pieces on him, all from Sanders supporters. It's on.

[TM99]

102. Hardly.

I will speak only for myself, but I am sick and tired of the Third Way neo-liberalism that has poisoned the Democratic party.

Fine. O'Malley supposedly distanced himself for the Third Way in 2002. Yet in 2011 and 2012 he was smiling pretty for photo ops at forums, one of which was pushing him as a candidate for president in 2016.

The Third Way is hardly going to promote someone if they do not think that politician aligns with their political ideals.

So which is it? Is he lying? Is he just pandering to whoever will support him in his bid for president? Another explanation?

Given the issues caused by Third Way neo-liberalism in both the Clinton and Obama presidencies, it is a very fair question to ask of O'Malley.

I am not scared. I am angry.

[JustAnotherGen]

103. No - just them go it ahead on

We'll let bygones be bygones after the first televised debate.

O'M has the Executive Experience
Always had a big Fat D after his name.
The right policies backed up by a whole lot of 'I did'.
Not burdened by the 25, 30, 35 years experiences as a Washington D.C. Insider.
I know precisely how I intend to frame his rivals for the Nomination -

Good people, good ideas - but he's an outsider and well - just better.

That will play very well in this red district with some bright blue boroughs.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

130. Don't let them fool you.

They're not Sanders supporters. They're Dem-bashers.

[elleng]

135. You've got it, Dr.

[Andy823]

138. Exactly

We already have our long time "Dem-bashers", now we are getting a lot of new bashers from who knows where. All they want to do is stir things up, divide DU, and for some get lots of recs. I think some of the new bashers won't last to long. I really hate it that all the Dem-bahsers seem to have jumped on the Bernie band wagon. I like Bernie, but these bashers are not helping him, only make the candidate wars here worse. I try to ignore them, but it's not easy.

[Cheese Sandwich]

142. It is easy if you think about it...

I try to ignore them, but it's not easy.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

129. Wow...

You've racked up over 1,000 posts slamming Democrats since March.

You make Turdblossom weep tears of joy.

[Cheese Sandwich]

132. It's not really a slam as much...

..as just a some photos of Martin O'Malley chilling at his Third Way think tank private session.

I'm sorry you don't like this but somebody had to post it. Democrats should know what they're voting for. If you elect this guy, you should expect a certain kind of thing.

He's positioning himself as a "liberal" for the primary election but he also has some policies and connections to centrist and conservative business elements in the party.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

133. Trololol

[zappaman]

134. Lol!

Would you like a ham sandwich?

[Dr Hobbitstein]

136. One sandwich for EACH FOOT??

Amazing!

[Cheese Sandwich]

140. I get it."One sandwich for each foot" because socks go on feet and you're implying I'm a sock puppet

That actually really hurts my feelings. But of course that's probably the point.

[FSogol]

141. Footlongs!

[elleng]

137. like these:

1. Ended death penalty in Maryland
2. Prevented fracking in Maryland and put regulations in the way to prevent next GOP Gov Hogan fom easily allowing fracking.
3. Provided health insurance for 380,000
4. Reduced infant mortality to an all time low.
5. Provided meals to thousands of hungry children and moved toward a goal for eradicating childhood hunger.
6. Enacted a $10.10 living wage and a $11. minimum wage for State workers.
7. Supporter the Dream Act
8. Cut income taxes for 86% of Marylanders (raised taxes on the rich).
9. Reformed Maryland’s tax code to make it more progressive.
10. Enacted some of the nation’s most comprehensive reforms to protect homeowners from foreclosure.

Mother Jones magazine called him the best candidate on environmental issues.
Article here:
http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/12/martin-omalley-longshot-presidential-candidate-and-real-climate-hawk

on energy independence

Today I visited Southwest Iowa Renewable Energy in Council Bluffs. We discussed the products and processes around refining ethanol, and the importance of becoming truly energy independent. The CEO said to me, "These are steady jobs, and for our area some of the best jobs. That's important for new generations."
I agree. We have to accelerate a transition right now to renewable energy sources and create jobs for a renewable energy future.
Read my plan: http://omly.us/climate-iowa

on the poetry of greater purpose

Martin doesn’t need to “evolve” – he has led; never has that been more clear. On equality, terrorism, gun violence, racism, immigration, climate change, rebuilding our cities, economic rebirth – O’Malley comes out swinging.

http://www.concordmonitor.com/home/17536348-95/my-turn-omalley-and-the-poetry-of-greater-purpose

O'Malley calls for increased LGBT protections.

The fight for equality for gays and lesbians is far from over, Democratic presidential hopeful and former Maryland Gov. Martin O’Malley said in a statement Monday calling for increased constitutional protections from discrimination.

While he called Friday’s Supreme Court decision that legalized same-sex marriage a “major step forward,” O'Malley cautioned that “our fight for equality continues." O’Malley joined the call for Congress to pass the Employment Non-Discrimination Act, which provides protections from workplace discrimination to lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people.

“In a majority of states, gay and lesbian employees can still be denied job opportunities or fired solely based on their sexual orientation or gender identity. Twenty-eight states also lack laws banning discrimination in housing,” he said in a statement Monday.
“Passing the Employment Non-Discrimination Act to expand these protections at the federal level is a necessary next step. We must continue to improve our laws, to more fully protect the rights of every individual — and more fully realize the vision of an open, respectful, and inclusive nation that Friday's decision aspires us to be."

O’Malley lauded Maryland for passing a similar expansion of discrimination laws while he served as governor.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/246472-omalley-calls-for-increased-protections-for-gays-lesbians

[zappaman]

143. Busy guy!

[Cheese Sandwich]

144. It's not really hard to do. It's only about...maybe... 10 posts a day

approximately. on average. I don't understand how people have so few, when they seem to post a lot.

[zappaman]

145. Yes, and almost all bashing Democrats.

Well done.

[Cheese Sandwich]

146. How is it bashing. Only some Democrats get invited to chill with Third Way think tank.

Pointing that out is considered by you as bashing.

But we should be able to talk about differences between Democrats without it being called bashing.

Liz Warren would never be invited to speak at The Third Way Think Tank. Bernie Sanders neither.

So how come pointing out that O'Malley goes there is considered as bashing.

[Raine1967]

150. I have noticed that as well. Thank you.

next thing we'll hear that O'Malley ate a *gasp* Chick-fil-a *gasp*

So by that logic he is a RW fundy loon.

<— in case it wasn't clear.

[Cheese Sandwich]

158. If O'Malley eats at Chick a fil I'm definitely posting it here.

[Raine1967]

160. Thanks for that information, I don't believe I was responding to you.

but is is good to know for everyone watching this hot mess of a thread.

[Cheese Sandwich]

164. You're welcome!

I don't get why some people are so defensive of O'Malley. Clinton and Sanders both get a ton of scrutiny. O'M should too.

[Andy823]

154. Another poster

Who is now Cheese's new buddy, has only been here 15 days and has 364 posts, or about 24 per day, pretty much all bashing dems. Looks like many of the "new" bashers started out with Hillary, and are not spreading out to go after O'Malley. What really gets me is how they seem to use the Bernie group as their base of operations. I like the hell out of Bernie, but some poster are making his group look bad.

I wonder what kid of "jobs" these posters have that allows them to post so many posts day after day?

[Cheese Sandwich]

156. security guard. nt

[AtomicKitten]

163. I don't like the sound of that but I need to know more.

Completely unfamiliar with this candidate. I want to look at his donors and check out his record.

Truthfully, I'm a teensy bit suspicious of his candidacy (stalking horse ?), but look forward to being convinced otherwise.

[elleng]

166. There's really no basis to be suspicious of him, Kitten;

his record's an open book. Lots of posts debunking cheese's smear, but come on over to the Martin O'Malley Group and learn about him.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1281

[AtomicKitten]

168. I will do my homework.

Thanks for your advocacy. You provide the motherlode of information. I'm on vacation and have the time to read it in depth.

Cheers.

[elleng]

173. Good to hear!

Enjoy your vacation!

[Cheese Sandwich]

170. Good call

My opinion is his liberal posturing is just a bunch of posturing trying to get elected.

He spoke at Third Way forum in 2011 (link: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251425668) and they liked him so much they invited him back for the private press session in 2012.

A lot of Democrats don't get invited to such things. Liz Warren for example doesn't get invited to Third Way. Bernie Sanders neither.

He has a lot of liberal rhetoric but he also has a lot connections to Wall St. He raised money from them as chair of the Democratic Governors Association. (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/martin-o-malley-wall-st-ties-big-banks-article-1.2246630)

He's also gone in for meetings with Wall St. sleazeballs. (http://www.cnbc.com/id/102723304)

His own donors have mostly not been from that industry, but he has all the connections in place and the relations are built.

He's the perfect Trojan horse candidate: Looks great on paper, but dig a little deeper and there is a lot to be suspicious of.

We should heed this warning:

“The guy is good at talking, but a lot of us know the real story of the harm he brought to our city.”

- Marvin “Doc” Cheathem, former Baltimore NAACP president
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/as-mayor-of-baltimore-omalleys-policing-strategy-sowed-mistrust/2015/04/25/af81178a-ea9d-11e4-9767-6276fc9b0ada_story.html

[AtomicKitten]

174. I will read and consider all jnfo. Thanks! Cheers.

[libdem4life]

178. Well, I think he's very easy on the eyes. Doesn't that count? Seriously, I want to hear

more about who and what he is now. Maybe he's been "listening" too. Three real candidates is a nice round number for some discussion. Please excuse me, this is my first Primary, and I'm a peaceful person so may back out a bit.

I still like Bernie, but O'Malley is worth watching and listening too. I do get that backgrounds and records are essential to understand, which is why I feel politically comfortable with Bernie.

I'm interested to see/hear what the Millenials think about this GenXer.