If Bernie Sanders is Elected...

[NightOwwl]

how long before he appoints a Wall Street Insider? It took Obama ONE day.

Wake up. Wall Street elects the President. If Bernie Sanders is as principled as he appears to be, he won't allow himself to be bought by the bankers. Which means there isn't a snowballs chance in hell he will be elected.

'You'd think that after destroying the world's economy with dodgy trades and double-dealing, at least somebody (other than the taxpayer) who was responsible might get thrown in jail. But you'd think wrong because Wall Street essentially 'owns' both political parties, thereby making accountability impossible.'
From the book Why Wall Street Always Wins - Jeff Connaughton, former lawyer Clinton White House

When / if the blinders come off, be prepared for some ugly truths. The bad news, our country is run by morally deficient men and women who place profit and power over people. The good news, the only thing propping up their house of cards is our willingness to participate in their game of divide and conquer. Not very smart, considering it's always the American people who are conquered- regardless of party affiliation - but it takes some longer than others to figure that out.

[marym625]

1. Which is exactly why he will be elected

People are more aware and more people are aware. He will be elected and we can begin to end the Wall Street rule.

Once Sanders is elected, good people who hadn't run previously because of the defeatist attitude (which I also had before Sanders threw his hat in the ring) that we haven't got a prayer, will run for the house and the Senate.

We still don't have a prayer. We have Bernie Sanders!

[NightOwwl]

9. You don't understand the extent of Wall Streets power

Our votes don't matter. Wall Street buys the President.

[marym625]

11. I do understand

I understand it and the power of the gerrymandering that's been done I also understand that there are enough people that are fed up to overcome both.

[NightOwwl]

17. When the game is rigged, it doesn't matter how many people are fed up.

Wall Street owns the President.

[marym625]

18. Quite aware of that really obvious fact

About the current President. However, just like they don't own Sanders and Warren, and a few others, they won't own the next President, President Sanders.

We disagree. I'm going to keep fighting for the election of Bernie Sanders

[NightOwwl]

21. I understand your enthusiasm...that was me just a few years ago.

I wish you the best.

[marym625]

23. You can join in

And help beat the oligarchs!

[cascadiance]

30. What do we have to lose by trying?...

Bernie gives us an opportunity. If we don't take it, we might as well throw our hands up and say "I guess you win! We no longer have a democracy! Where are my shackles?"

[NightOwwl]

40. My sanity, my well-being, my happiness.

MY life.

I wish you the best in yours.

[kacekwl]

25. Things don't have to stay the same.

Please remember we are the government and if enough stay together wall street won't stand a chance.

[frylock]

34. Then why bother?

[NightOwwl]

41. Thats for you to decide.

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I chose peace of mind over an anxiety-ridden life spent serving a narrow, divisive, abusive political agenda.

[brooklynite]

29. Remember when Ronald Reagan won 49 States?

...and used his clout to eliminate Social Security and Medicaid?

Right. It didn't happen. Even popular Presidents with a bully pulpit have limits to what they can do.

No different with Sanders.

[cascadiance]

31. But it was the PEOPLE that limited Reagan from doing those things!

If you are saying that Wall Street has similar clout to the people at stopping someone like Bernie from introducing reforms that actually HELP and not hurt the people, then that's saying something quite different.

[brooklynite]

33. I'm saying "the people" aren't all behind Sanders either...

...unless you're dreaming of a 70% landslide, there will still be a significant share of the population that hasn't been conviced that single payer is a GOOD IDEA.

[HassleCat]

2. The Progressive movement

In the late 1890s and early 1900s, the Progressives fought the banks and the railroads, and their bought-and-paid-for handmaidens, the newspapers. They managed to win some offices and make some changes. Most of them were Republicans who were upset because they saw their party being taken over by cartels. Republicans now use the word "progressive" as an insult, so times change.

[sabrina 1]

3. Wall St owns those who take their money. Bernie doesn't take their money

so they do not own him therefore he is FREE not to take orders from them.

If you doubt that he is an independent person who has never been intimated by Wall St to vote on major issues their way, then just go look at his record.

As for the rest of the field, you are correct, Wall St doesn't spend billions of dollars on elections for nothing, they will want they paid for.

[NightOwwl]

10. You misread. I agree he is too principled to be bought off.

Therefore, he cannot win.

[AverageGuy]

22. If you believe "he is too principled to be bought off".

You just work harder to get him elected.

[NightOwwl]

42. 20 years of 'working harder'

20 years on the emotional rollercoaster.

20 years of the same ol same ol.

20 years of dissapointment.

I'm a little embarrassed it took me this long to figure out the carrot-on-a-stick never got any closer.

Wasn't Obama our saviour just 8 years ago?

[sabrina 1]

35. My apologies then. However I disagree that he can't win. This is a different time

than anything we've had over the past several decades. OWS began the public debate over the money that is corrupting our system.

Now there is hardly anyone who doesn't get the meaning of the 1% v 99%. It was brilliant to provide people who were frustrated but couldn't express their feelings without going into great detail, shorthand for people to use.

Someone said a while ago that OWS was the seed, (Frank Lunz eg admitted that 'I am terrified of that movement) and the movement needed someone who could be trusted in politics, and they said, IF OWS was the seed Bernie is the Fruit.

Obviously people are ready for a whole new kind of politics.

We thought that was happening in 2008. We had to see the whole system working before we realized just how bad it was.

Now millions of people on both left and right and in between are realizing that we were kept busy fighting among each other when in reality we were all just pawns in this rigged system.

Which is why we are seeing even Republicans signing on to Bernie's campaign. They don't agree with him on many issues, but I've seen them say, the main issue now is getting the money out of our politics and the sold out Reps and until that happens, all the rest is just going to remain the same.

[NightOwwl]

43. Apology accepted

I agree more are seeing through the rigged game. That is a genuine relief.

Personally, I don't think we need this or any other game. We are not helpless, we do not need to be told what we can ingest, who we can sleep with, what is appropriate and what is not. That isn't freedom, that is mommy and daddy.

[Cleita]

4. So you are saying anyone friendly to Wall Street is in like flynn by your own words?

That suggests some real corruption there. We on the Bernie side know how hard it's going to be for him to dodge everything that they are going to throw at him and maybe even rigged elections or plane crashes where he doesn't survive. We know that.

[NightOwwl]

12. The President works for Wall Street, not us.

An honest candidate cannot win because they are too principled to be bought off. So yes, there absolutely is real corruption.

[Kalidurga]

5. It will be the day after never.

[Sherman A1]

6. It's a bit premature

to speculate on who will be elected much less, who they will appoint to positions. I hope that Senator Sanders is the eventual nominee and wins in the general as I have liked him for years and he speaks to the economic issues facing working class Americans, but it's still far too early to worry about appointments.

[NightOwwl]

14. You can eliminate the honest, moral men and women.

That narrows the field down to the usual suspects.

[imthevicar]

7. YAWN!

Wow that argument was current.

[99Forever]

8. I says a lot about neoliberals...

... when being becoming a lying turncoat on those who supported you, once elected, seems normal.

You have Senator Sanders confused with another candidate.

[NightOwwl]

13. And you obviously didn't read my post.

He is TOO honest to be elected.

[99Forever]

16. That's your opinion.

There's a saying about opinions. It isn't flattering.

[NightOwwl]

19. People can disagree without animosity.

Just because our politicians sink to that level doesn't mean we have to.

[99Forever]

24. I don't know about you...

.....but when someone makes a statement as if it was a proven fact, that's clearly only their opinion, it insults my intelligence.

[-Bernie-]

15. How about never?

Bernie has already mentioned that he would appoint Krugman or Stigliz for Sec. of Treasury..

Only Wall Street insider that Bernie would include is someone will be confessing of all the Wall Street sins.

[NightOwwl]

20. Our system is working as intended.

The last thing Wall Street wants is someone coming in to clean house. And since they control this game, they get what they want, not what we want.

[LWolf]

26. Bernie Sanders isn't Obama.

Obama's neo-liberal leanings were obvious to anyone paying attention.

"Wall Street essentially 'owns' both political parties..."

But they don't own Sanders, which is a big part of what makes people flock to him.

[HFRN]

38. 'Obama's neo-liberal leanings were obvious to anyone paying attention'

'
In a November 2007 interview with TechCrunch, Obama said he supported training Americans for high-tech jobs, but also said he would back a short-term increase in the number H-1B visa holders allowed to work in the U.S. '

http://www.law360.com/articles/78012/obama-could-raise-cap-on-h-1b-skilled-workers

told me all I needed to know, all the way back in 2007

nothing he's done has come as a surprise

[LWolf]

39. There was that interview with Chris Wallace

on Fox; Wallace asked him what "better ideas" Republicans had...he brought up regulation, moving away from the "authoritarian" regulation of the 60s and 70s, and education, mentioning that teachers weren't often happy with him. I'm a teacher. He sure as hell nailed that one.

Then there was him talking about the "excesses" of the 60s and 70s and how Reagan was "transformational" because he reigned in those "excesses..."

The writing was on the wall.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

27. So what's the alternative? Just give up and elect one the blatantly Wall Street-controlled

candidates instead? One of the ones who doesn't bother to even try to hide their affection for Wall Street, and indeed is a millionaire thanks to being paid hindreds of thousands of dollars to talk for a few minutes at a luncheon with Wall Streeters?

Is that somehow 'better'?

[NightOwwl]

44. If you are happy,

if you enjoy time with friends and family, if your world is bigger than left versus right, if you feel no guilt for putting your emotional well-being ahead of anything else, there is nothing better.

If you are anxious, if you worry about events out of your control, if you are tired of seeing half the country as your enemy...there is no law saying you have to play their game. Take back your life.

[redstateblues]

28. Will Bernie take over the banks?

And usher in a Socialist Utopia?

[cascadiance]

32. I wish we could all have "socialist utopias" like red state North Dakota!

I suppose that no other state should ever feel like they can be as socialist as that state should they and have it's own state run bank!

[Proud Liberal Dem]

36. I'd be more worried IMHO

that he will be tarred and feathered the instant he has to start trying to work with (at least) a Republican House to get legislation passed or doesn't turn out to be able to deliver all of the promises he's making just like with how most jumped all over President Obama for not being able to do. Oh, he'll definitely be good on some "in-house" Executive Branch stuff (cabinet appointments, court appointments), of course, but, until the House swings back to Democratic control and he has filibuster-proof majority in the Senate whom staunchly support his policy agenda, he will have to inevitably make some compromises (or see most of his initiatives fail), which I know isn't very popular. But, of course, that would really be applicable to any of the potential Democratic candidates currently running.

[Snotcicles]

37. Deja Vu of Saturday with my most avoidable neighbor. nt

[NightOwwl]

45. Might want to start making a list of who to avoid. nt