2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSen. Jim Webb: Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren are ‘way far’ left — ‘not my Democratic Party’
A better title for this article would be: Jim Webb Flushes Himself Down the Toilet.
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Former Virginia Sen. Jim Webb (D) slammed the liberal wing of the Democratic Party on Fox News Sunday this week and said that liberals who are against the Confederate Flag sound just as divisive and wrong-headed as Donald Trumps remarks about Latino immigrants being criminals and racists.
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At one point in the interview, Webb said he feels that the Democratic Party has moved way far to the left.
In a party that seems to thrill to Bernie Sanders and maybe long for Elizabeth Warren, who are the Jim Webb Democrats? asked Baier.
I believe we can bring a different tone to the Democratic Party. Youre right, Webb agreed. The party has moved way far to the left, and thats not my Democratic Party.
Webb who crossed over from the Republican Party to run against Virginia Republican George Allen in 2006 is currently polling at 2 percent nationally among prospective Democratic voters.
Full article:
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/07/sen-jim-webb-bernie-sanders-and-elizabeth-warren-are-way-far-left-not-my-democratic-party/
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Wilms
(26,795 posts)elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)calimary
(81,383 posts)TheNutcracker
(2,104 posts)still_one
(92,303 posts)I should merely have queried about the possibility that he's trying to position himself as a possible VP candidate.
I let my disdain for establishment politics get the best of me.
calimary
(81,383 posts)NOT appreciated. That was pretty shitty, my friend.
BainsBane
(53,038 posts)cause it isn't going to be Webb. He doesn't help the ticket at all. Smart money is on Castro.
Wilms
(26,795 posts)I didn't assert what you seem to claim.
Now, back to my day job.
BainsBane
(53,038 posts)You chose to get in a gratuitous jab at Clinton. The only thing you illuminated was yourself.
Wilms
(26,795 posts)That said, if you think I was talking about Clinton, that's your mind at work.
calimary
(81,383 posts)Gee that was just cute as hell.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)For people like him and McCaskill
Kind of... maybe.
He just is doing a really bad job doing it and completely misreading the state of affairs these days.
It is vaugely possible he is hoping to get picked for the Veep position and he figures that playing surrogate attack dog would work well. But he is, again, vastly misreading the current political zeitgeist and the last thing Hillary needs is a Lieberman conserva-dem to serve as a boat anchor in the general election and turn off the progressive base that she is having enough trouble wooing.
He might also be trying to glom onto the 'not-hillary' people that are only barely democrats at all. (not too many of these exist)
Really, either way it isn't much of a strategy on his part.
TheNutcracker
(2,104 posts)Someone like that, I don't want around in politics at all.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)He apparently didn't cross very far over into the Democratic Party
tularetom
(23,664 posts)Do you suppose he was persuaded to enter the race in order to make Hillary Clinton look a little less, er, republican? Otherwise, who the fuck does he think he's gonna get to vote for him with that kind of talk?
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)Even the Third Party stalwarts here don't try to make that ridiculous claim.
Nay
(12,051 posts)the zeitgeist in the country right now. He wrote an interesting history book on the Scots-Irish immigration to this country and how they stayed in the South, developed a culture of insularity, etc., but I think his (somewhat misplaced) admiration for those people has made him think that everyone admires everything about them. We don't. They may be good in a fistfight, but that's about it. The Republicans are ripping off these people by the millions and they still keep voting Republican. It's really not funny watching Webb's favorite group tripping over their own dicks all the time; after a while, they just seem too stupid to learn.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
CTBlueboy
(154 posts)Yes keep speaking Jim Webb protect that southern culture and attacking Sen. Sanders and Warren.
Sounding like another candidate's surrogates if you ask me.
hedda_foil
(16,375 posts)You don't have a Democratic party, buster, because you've always been a Republican.
If in any bizarro world, alternate reality scenario, Webb should somehow win the nomination, I'll write in Bernie Sanders.
LuvLoogie
(7,019 posts)Warren and Sanders obviously have more support in the Democratic Party than he does. Just a silly statement.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Which means we can count on you, and several others, to be rooting for his Confederate ass over Bernie sanders all day long.
After all, the party label is all you care about.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Last edited Mon Jul 13, 2015, 11:52 AM - Edit history (1)
calimary
(81,383 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)Last edited Mon Jul 13, 2015, 08:12 AM - Edit history (1)
The guy knows he's got no real shot at the nom...so he's presenting himself as the "extreme regional balance" candidate...Lloyd Bentsen to HRC's Michael Dukakis....the ticket that led us to a historic...epic...uh...well...
karynnj
(59,504 posts)We He only won one election and that was almost a fluke - His opponent imploded.
Metric System
(6,048 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)That's why Dukakis lost-because he NEVER fought back against Lee Attwood's lies.
And Dukakis' 1988 strategists taught the same "tactic" to John Kerry sixteen years later-we all remember where that led us.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)Someone who shares his belief that the Party needs to be right there at the edge of flipping into Republicanism.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)...y'know, the one who wrote "Wichita Lineman" and "Up, Up and Away".
still_one
(92,303 posts)and other progressive Democrats, he should perhaps rejoin the republicans.
In fact, I encourage to join the throngs of republican candidates running
JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)You're off my dating list.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)We need a party full of people like Sanders and Warren.
merrily
(45,251 posts)while running for the Senate (publicizing his book at the same time), a seat he probably won probably because his opponent made a racist comment in public and then lied about it.
I don't have a huge interest in "his" Democratic Party, which seems to me to be similar to Zell Miller's Democratic Party.
calimary
(81,383 posts)That former "sun god of the GOP," george allen. OH MAN was he the hot one, at one point anyway. And then he opened his yap and revealed his true self, laughing at an opponent's campaign staffer at a public appearance one fine day.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/14/AR2006081400589.html
http://www.brendan-nyhan.com/blog/2006/08/george_allen_in.html
We put Jim Webb up against him, nervously, though - mainly because george allen was a star at the time. Sacrificial lamb time, probably. george allen was a popular Senator from Virginia. He'd beaten Democrat Chuck Robb (LBJ's son-in-law) for the Senate, and he'd been governor of Virginia so he had lots of props, and physically he looked good and photographed well, he was a smooth talker, and he had the whole football thing going for him because his dad (of the same name) was this big-ass NFL coach, and he was this GOP Golden Boy. He was a sure bet to win. Until he opened his yap that day, all cocky and smug, and aimed a racial slur at a kid of Indian extraction who worked on the Jim Webb campaign - and stuck out because everybody else in the crowd was lily white.
So we got Jim Webb who turned into OUR "Golden Boy" because suddenly he made george allen look like a piece of roadkill shit by comparison after that schmucky smart-ass "macaca" comment.
And now, ironically, it's Jim Webb who looks like a schmuck with his own asshole comments. He's just made himself the Official Non-Starter of the Democratic Party. He doesn't have a prayer. But he does have whatever the Democratic version of a clown car is - all to himself now. And he WON'T be a possibility for running mate, either. He's swimming against a tide now. And geographically he doesn't quite do it, either, for any balancing of the ticket. Hillary Clinton would probably pick somebody like one of the Castro brothers from Texas. And frankly, if Bernie Sanders gets the nomination, I seriously doubt he'd consider Jim Webb, either. Totally incompatible there, too.
merrily
(45,251 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Boo hoo!
calimary
(81,383 posts)democrank
(11,098 posts)This "way far left" crap is really something. "Way far left", like supporting unions, getting the homeless off the streets, school breakfast for hungry kids, taking Big Pharma down a notch, breaking up banks "too big to fail", single payer health care, etc.
I`ve said it many times, the Democratic Party`s center has consistently moved to the right, which makes yesterday`s Democratic Party values seem further to the left.
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)... in so many so-called "red states". You work to screw the people, they won't forget, and they'll kick you out as you deserve to be.
PeteSelman
(1,508 posts)Your Democratic Party is the Republican Party, asshole. Why doesn't he just go run where he belongs? I guess he's just there to make other Republican light candidates look more Democratic.
Fuck this guy.
karynnj
(59,504 posts)Is NOT a part of "my" Democratic party. What a jerk. Not to mention, he was always a questionable vote on many Democratic issues - not something true of either Warren or Sanders. He should return to the Republican party.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Okay, go on with your bad self.
I haven't really seen any support for him, and none here. I can't imagine anyone is really listening, and that's good.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)these days.
Yeah, Webb, 'your party' for all of nine years. He crossed over to join the Democrats at their farthest swing to the right, and suddenly thinks that's where Democrats have 'always' been, and that the slightest move back to the left (where voters still are, but have no other party to the left to vote for) makes him whine that it's 'not his Democratic Party'.
Nay
(12,051 posts)ann---
(1,933 posts)a DINO.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)He should go back.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)Who was our R Senator, complete with a Confederate flag and a NOOSE hanging on his Senate office walls to honor his 'Southern Heritage'
riversedge
(70,266 posts)He needs to go after Republicans, not Democrats. Jerk
CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)You and George Allen are really two peas in a pod.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)CanonRay
(14,111 posts)because he's not really a Democrat.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)kenfrequed
(7,865 posts)The Candidate no one likes because he is too conservative is crying about how bad Bernie is?
Jim Webb can get bent. 30 years of accomodation to GOP economic policy has gotten us nowhere. The only times where things stayed decent are the points where we hedged a bit and ticked up the tax rates on the wealthy just a bit here and there.
Imagine what we could do with some REAL progressive economic policies!
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)He should also think about registering as a Republican if he thinks the Democrats have moved too far left. I have some suggestions of other D's he could take with him.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Skwmom
(12,685 posts)If you are against corporate and government corruption and for the working class then you must be a left wing radical and outside the mainstream. When are they going to come up with a new script? This is getting rather tiresome.
fredamae
(4,458 posts)isn't really the "true" Democratic Party and hasn't been for years. The Dem Party has shifted so far to the right the curve of the Earth obstructs the view for anyone to see the Good it once stood for.
Mr. Webb can have His party!
I'm with Bernie et al to rebuild what the Democratic Party Used to stand for- for all.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)LOL yeah right. I don't think he crossed over at all he merely changed the letter after his name. Far left is where we want to go from here. We want to go so far left we resemble the Swedish form of socialism.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)paragon of liberal ideology
arcane1
(38,613 posts)polichick
(37,152 posts)Go back to the Republicans, Webb - and take the other corporate tools with you!
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)olddots
(10,237 posts)a relative of Jack Webb ?
NCjack
(10,279 posts)Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)Paul Wellstone.
Webb represents the neo con/ neo liberal wing.
Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)CTBlueboy
(154 posts)Well according some people on here he has a D by his name making him a true Democrat . lol
If Dem leadership give a damn Webb is real threat to the party. Spouting his BS about southern culture and confederate flag. Dws is too focus on making sure the party stays centrist even republican-lites as possible.