2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSome of Bernie Sanders' Senate Colleagues Stunned by his Ascent -- Politico
Bernie Sanders Senate colleagues have come to know him as a bit player in the Democratic Caucus, a gruff, rumpled protest voice to the left of even the most liberal senators. Now the Vermont socialist is drawing crowds by the thousands seemingly everywhere he goes and his cohorts in D.C. can hardly believe it.Man, when I was away on recess, I kept seeing Bernie here and Bernie there, said Sen. Tim Kaine (D-Va.), recounting a conversation he had with Sanders. It was like Wheres Waldo?
In his 3½ decades in public life, the 73-year-old Sanders has been a champion of government programs to help the middle class and working poor and has long advocated higher taxes on the rich and big institutions. While he cut a major bipartisan deal last summer to overhaul the Department of Veterans Affairs, its not unusual for him to find himself in the minority of the minority in the Senate.
When President Barack Obama came into office and pushed his health care bill, Sanders was a rare voice publicly calling for a single-payer, Medicare-for-all type system. His stature on the left grew in 2010 when he took to the floor to launch an 8½-hour tirade or fili-Bernie against a deal to extend Bush-era tax cuts reached by Obama and GOP leaders.
Sanders was the lone member of the Senate Democratic Caucus to vote to kill the Export-Import Bank in June and was one of just two senators in his caucus to oppose a new electronic surveillance law known as the USA Freedom Act. As Obama pushed his trade agenda this past spring, Sanders was one of its most ardent foes, putting Clinton who had backed the free trade deal in the past in an awkward spot. And even last week, Sanders joined the GOP in voting against a Democratic measure on defense policy after he raised concerns that the military budget is already too bloated.
He says his tough rhetoric on income inequality on the trail has fired up voters and filled a vacuum within the Democratic Party.
Sanders ascent has put some liberals in Congress in an uncomfortable position. He has virtually no support from congressional Democrats, who have been backing Clinton for months. Still, many progressive lawmakers dont want to antagonize Sanders even though theyre eager for Clinton to become the nominee.
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onecaliberal
(32,878 posts)They should know we will worth and fight tooth in nail to rid ourselves of them and sever ties between them and their corporate benefactors. We are finished with a congress owned by corporations, banks, and lobbyists.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)They become wealthy by carrying water for those that can fatten their wallets in return for their service.
yurbud
(39,405 posts)intheflow
(28,485 posts)Congressional pay does make them wealthy. Maybe not 1% wealthy, but $174k + benefits + spending allowance, + only working ~140 days a year allows anyone to lead a really comfortable life.
Noting this in no way diminishes your post. Too many are in it for the perks and outside money to be made, to the detriment of their fulfilling their duties to serve the American people.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)They expose themselves to the attention of the momentous energy that is now behind Bernie and that will in the future be behind reshaping Congress to a body that more represents the all people as opposed to a congress that, in practice, only represents the interest of the few who have the most money.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)B-b-b-but Hillary is meeting with House Dems every week......
Or something....
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)to support him when he was RIGHT, preferring instead their comfortable and lucrative jobs working for Corporate interests.
So Bernie is right. Progressive Organizations, and their are thousands of them all of whom opposed the anti Working class and Unions, TPP, have been quietly working over the past six years or so to promote PRGRESSIVE Candidates for their State Legs and for Congress and winning. They have been putting Progressive Issues on local ballots and WINNING.
With Bernie now leading the Progressive Movement, Progressive candidates for Congress not supported by the DNC, WILL be supported by the PEOPLE to replace as many of the Corporate funded members who are far too comfortable with a situation that may be working for THEM, but is not working for the American people.
Demeter
(85,373 posts)and the vacuous policies of the past 40+ years have really hurt the People.
After the Hope and Change balloon went South, the People decided to go for REAL Change.
Robbins
(5,066 posts)many of so called liberals in congress are frauds.Anyone who wants hillary as nominee is corporate Dem,and only pretend to be
liberal to democratic base.
They don't want to antagonize Bernie in event he wins nomination becasue base picks him,and to continue to fool base of
Democratic party.
American's have been conditioned to think people like Clinton and Obama are 'liberals'. This is largely due to the work of the right wing and mainstream media. They are both moderates and corporate centrists, liberal on social issues and conservative on economic. What we are seeing is that the electorate is far more liberal than the media wants to tell us. Bernie is messing up their narrative.
fed-up
(4,081 posts)I was going to shout: What liberals?!!
appalachiablue
(41,159 posts)Shame on them!
Bernie is shaking things up and firing up the people! Dems. better start listening-
Do Not Underestimate Bernie Sanders
Feel the Bern!
PATRICK
(12,228 posts)and consistent with the consistent Hillary candidacies of old, even those backing her have had very logical misgivings they would be wise not to bring out for very good reason until someone really proves themselves a better candidate. That regardless of how happy they would be with this or that policy.
Unfair as it is it is this season cannot be boring and will become crowded because the balloons of the two anointed frontrunners(and they have been anointed) come pre-leaking. Huge numbers of people are either dismayed, unenthused or dead against Hillary and Jeb- who it appears has zip going for him on the people front to do anything else but lose. Hillary can only lose in the primaries- which is her big frustration and a very difficult campaign strategy to pull off even if Sanders were only a more popular personality and not an issue sea change.
Frontrunners have it rough but having large pre-existing negatives or familiarity weariness would seem to invite their early demise. What is also different is the sheer weight of money to make this odd reality go away and put the people back to sleep again.
Politico's slant is either blind or disingenuous, probably the former, reflexively, by now. There has to be a movement and Bernie has to win for real change, yet it would not be strange at all to see the names of Bush and Clinton missing off the November ballot in a normal political season- if there ever were such a thing. The competition has to know there is blood in the water already no matter what advantages they possess.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Avalux
(35,015 posts)Yes they are Democrats, but they're also keepers of the status quo, and very much enjoy their cushy little lives. Stay in the lines, do some nice gestures for the electorate every once in awhile, but ultimately don't rock the boat.
I'm tired of it.
Vincardog
(20,234 posts)SunSeeker
(51,607 posts)That and the "Where's Waldo?" line hardly support the headline.
More Politico shit stirring.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Don't forget
the Vermont socialist
tech3149
(4,452 posts)If it isn't already painfully obvious, the party elite will do everything they can to marginalize Sanders or not support him in any way until they have no choice.
At some point during the primaries, the choice will have to be made. They can either support the status quo or get in line with what the people really need.
Sanders has already showed his intent by running as a Democrat. He has no interest in stealing votes from another better choice candidate.
Has candidate Clinton made any statements regarding her intent should she lose in the primaries?
Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)They would never support one of the founders of the CPC.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)hitting back with a lie to try to regain control of the message.
And, of course, the scary "socialist" word.
http://billmoyers.com/2015/06/01/mainstream-bernie-sanders/
Autumn Colors
(2,379 posts)Well, not surprising, considering Jim Himes represents District 4 in Connecticut ... where much of the state's 1% live ....
QC
(26,371 posts)Not surprising that he would say this.
Billsmile
(404 posts)Thanks for voting for the TPA twice Jim (sarcasm). You sure know where the American public stands (sarcasm).
PADemD
(4,482 posts)In 2014, an average of 15% of Americans approved of Congress
Yearly approval averages have not exceeded 20% for five years
The same percentage (15%) of Republicans and Democrats approved
http://www.gallup.com/poll/180113/2014-approval-congress-remains-
near-time-low.aspx
LWolf
(46,179 posts)Someone should ask him.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Except that his views are where the majority of the American people are, Jim.
Seems these blue-dogs need to read a few more polls. Most Americans want to expand Medicare and Social Security. Most Americans want affordable higher education. Most Americans think the very wealthy need to pay more in taxes. Most Americans know the Middle Class has been sidelined.
The sheer fact that Sanders is drawing large crowds because of his frankness and his policy positions that favor Middle Class and working families means that he is not out of touch with most Americans, Jim (and Tim and Claire and Bill and Joe <-- a "who's who" of blue-doggery).
raindaddy
(1,370 posts)Many of whom would've been Republicans prior to the Reagan revolution.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Indeed. The "geed is good" meme runs deep.
And then theres the problem of voters who just vote for the person they are familiar with or who they think everybody else is voting for....issues be damned. "Oh I've heard of Hillary.... and Bill was such a good president!"
These are real problems that I don't know how to solve.
raindaddy
(1,370 posts)"And then theres the problem of voters who just vote for the person they are familiar with or who they think everybody else is voting for....issues be damned. "Oh I've heard of Hillary.... and Bill was such a good president!"
"These are real problems that I don't know how to solve."
Too bad so many people either don't take the time or just don't care.. What's the old saying, people end up with the government they deserve.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)and the 80s shows made me shudder.
At least the narrator (Rob Lowe) pointed out that it was during the 80s when we stopped being about what was good for all of us and the country, but started becoming more selfing: "we" to "me" mentality.
But, you're correct about name-recognition. When big-money TV executives started moving the news divisions over to entertainment in the 80s and 90s, the country lost a great deal of honest journalism.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)Maybe one of his constituents could send him a copy.
MoonchildCA
(1,301 posts)...bought and paid for by the Koch brothers and their ilk.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)cascadiance
(19,537 posts)rpannier
(24,330 posts)He spends too much time at corporate fundraisers
He ought to spend more time with people struggling to get by
aspirant
(3,533 posts)Do they think by supporting Bernie that they would have future re-election problems?
The good thing is that it is spreading sunshine over the pretending dems, even in the House Progressive Caucas.
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)... where Bernie shows his leadership in taking on moneyed interests that has the attention of the American people if the corporate media is pushed in to a corner where they can't afford to NOT cover it.
THEN, I think we'll get a bunch of the progressive politicians to step out and endorse Bernie. And it kind of makes sense (or even cents too)... If there is no penalty for endorsing Hillary by the corporate lobbyists, and some of the pols don't feel like they're going to shift gears too much, they are more likely to go ahead and endorse Hillary now (especially if they are getting promised more dough to their campaigns by endorsing her earlier to "get rid of Sanders" . But other progressive Dems, who may have a hard time to compete with corporate lobbyists funding other candidates in their campaigns, are not wanting to just endorse Bernie now, where they likely won't even have that endorsement heard if it is done singularily when the corporate media is paid to ignore such endorsements, and will only serve to get an organized attempt to take away campaign money and actually spend more money on negative ads against them.
By them announcing their endorsements at the same time as a big event, then it is far more likely to be noticed by grass roots voters, and get them big kudos to help them overcome big money being spent against them instead of for them. And at that time, the voters will also see them as part of the newer "revolution" instead of standing in the way against it.
What we as progressives working in movements to get Bernie elected and take down corporate money influence in our elections need to do is find a way to organize and set up this big movement, and preface that by contacting all of the real decent progressive voices on Capitol Hill like Elizabeth Warren and Keith Ellison, etc. to time an endorsement of the movement as well as Bernie's leadership over it. It will be a lot harder for the corporate powers to take on endorsements done in such a way then.
We need to organize and figure out when opportunities for these "big moments" will arrive soon. Maybe some way of pushing a vote no on the TPP bill itself?...
jwirr
(39,215 posts)different and not supportive of the business as usual Democratic legislators in Congress any more than he is of the corporatism of the Rs.
Our progressive caucus are a bunch of cowards who "are eager for Clinton to become the nominee". Corporate government must continue at all costs. If this is truly how they feel then they do not represent many of us and we now know it.
She is there today trying to get their support in her campaign. I would suggest to them that they had best look at what the people who vote for them want - or they may find their ass on the line the next time they run.
What these Democratic legislators fail to understand is that he has been talking about the things we want for 40 years - it is not his fault they did not have enough sense to listen. He is on the right side of the issues but they are afraid to take the same step.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)we who have followed politics closely in the last 10-20 years...are NOT surprised by the groundswell of support for Bernie.
not at all.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)marions ghost
(19,841 posts)me too.
DONE with triangulation/strangulation.
rocktivity
(44,577 posts)Oh, they're talking about his ASCENT, not his ACCENT! Never mind...
rocktivity
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)affect whether we vote for him. I don't care how someone smells. Can't we just talk about policy?
What was that? ASCENT?
Oh.
Never mind.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)SmittynMo
(3,544 posts)not the charades we've been witnessing for the past 40 years.
London Lover Man
(371 posts)even if he isn't a member.
The actual Democratic Party should be renamed to Third Way Party.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)It doesn't take a brain surgeon to see how they are trying to paint Bernie Sanders.
Anyone participating in this smear campaign is pathetic. If "progressive" lawmakers are eager to see Clinton become the nominee, I think we need to redefine progressive. But, on the other hand, can you really believe one word written in this article? Oh well, some people will do anything for a buck.
Bernie must have some strong, core ethical beliefs. Otherwise, he would have joined the other self-serving hacks willing to do anything for power and money.
merrily
(45,251 posts)still had a year to go before his term as Governor of Virginia ended.
While head of the DNC, he made such a fool of himself on the Daily Show.
http://api.talkingpointsmemo.com/news/jon-stewart-tells-dnc-chairman-tim-kaine-you-re-in-trouble-dude
smokey nj
(43,853 posts)the House of Representatives. Anything he says should be taken with a grain of salt.
merrily
(45,251 posts)That was it. The entire plan.
merrily
(45,251 posts)everybody keeps changing it to income inequality and only income inequality.
Accept no substitutes!111!!
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)tex-wyo-dem
(3,190 posts)Back in 2011, tens-of-thousands didn't just decide to pitch tents all over the country and get pepper sprayed in the face because they thought it would be fun...
And people aren't packing Bernie's events just because they have nothing better to do...
Nope, there is a wave building, and the Democratic Party better take heed!
mountain grammy
(26,640 posts)Funny, I'm very comfortable with Bernie. He sounds like my mom. "Tax the rich," I believe she said it to all her doctors near the end. Mom would love and support Bernie and so do I.
Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)The professional political class doesn't have the slightest idea of what to make of this phenomenon.
Jeeeeesus. Imagine what kind of hysterics that will be unleashed if the money-buys-power firewall that they've erected and at which they've worshipped over these last several decades isn't able to withstand the Sanders Movement's shove?
DeeDeeNY
(3,355 posts)Any "liberal" uncomfortable with Bernie's popularity is no liberal.
QC
(26,371 posts)The peasants are revolting indeed.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)If they play along, they might even get some of it for their own reelection.
AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)That is how a politician should be. The job of being an elected representative should not be reduced to being a launching pad to make millions of dollars, especially as a result of not doing what's in the best interests of what should be your constituents (the people of your state or district.)
staggerleem
(469 posts)Quoting from the linked article:
"Sen. Martin Heinrich (D-N.M.) said Clintons experience as a diplomat and senator makes her the whole package and the strongest Democratic candidate."
So in this context, I guess "strongest" translates as "the most Republican-like Democrat."
Isn't that strategy what LOST the Senate for us in '14? Has nobody explained to the Democratic Party "leadership" that expecting a different result from the same strategy is the very definition of insanity??
raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)But then, I've always been paranoid about my democracy.
If a mainstream American desires money more than democracy, they will give and take that money from Wall St.
Why any of them would expect our elected officials to behave any different from them is what is insanity.
CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)No Vested Interest
(5,167 posts)He's been doing a lot of traveling, giving speeches, interviews - seemingly day after day, and tending to his Senate duties as well.
That takes a lot of energy.
Hope he paces himself.
The race is still in its early stages.
GeorgeGist
(25,322 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Hi ya KoKo..great stuff.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)They like deficits so they have an excuse to cut Social Security and Medicare. That is their objective. We must see to it that the American people understand this.
We must do away with the FICA cap. Vote for Bernie.
McKim
(2,412 posts)This is no surprise to me. It does show how out of touch some of these members of congress are. Yes, they are afraid that Chuck Schumer will cut off their campaign funds.
valerief
(53,235 posts)ignorant, uninformed, and distracted. What went wrong?"
Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)they have no idea of how to counter it.
Carlos Danger isn't going to do it.
valerief
(53,235 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
The Wizard
(12,546 posts)reject corporate media. Obama figured it out and succeeded.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)Response to KoKo (Original post)
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Sanders has made concern for the middle class, income disparity and so much more front-and-center
It's why I am supporting him in the primaries
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Of course not. You bastards have been playing "kick the Hippie" for so long you thought it was popular outside of the Beltway.
PatrickforO
(14,585 posts)Look at what's happening in Greece right now. Look what HAS been happening in Michigan. The reality is the 'plan' or new world order as H.W. Bush described it is for the oligarchs to make their move and take over. These people don't want anything to do with democracy - oh they pay lip service to it all right, but in the end the plan is for us to be put under the tyranny of people like the Koch brothers.
And I'm not doing that. That's why I support Bernie.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)He is rejuvenating interest in the Democratic party and may well other democrats might well reap the benefits of his running.
Agony
(2,605 posts)Victor_c3
(3,557 posts)But I'm excited about Bernie Sanders in a way that I've never been excited about a politician. Obama had some excitement from me, but Sanders excitement puts that level of excitement to shame. I believe we are going to witness a sudden explosion of populist politics that hasn't been seen before - and Sanders is on the tip of it all. I'm going to predict along with everyone else a major victory for us.