Bernie Sanders supporters should congratulate Hillary Clinton on her endorsement from AFT

[Cali_Democrat]

It's a great endorsement.

Hillary appears to have the overwhelming support of AFT members.

The best approach is to congratulate Hillary and move on. I'm sure Bernie Sanders will pick up some important endorsements in the future. Hopefully Hillary Clinton supporters will congratulate Bernie Sanders on any important future endorsements.

[hrmjustin]

1. Agreed!

[HERVEPA]

2. So shocked you agreed. And the endorsement was really just from the head of a Hiilary PAC

[hrmjustin]

3. .

[HERVEPA]

6. Thanks for the idiotic meaningless wave

I'm guessing I can expect another.

[hrmjustin]

8. .

[Codeine]

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[virtualobserver]

4. I hear that Bill Clinton is thinking of endorsing her, on behalf of the Clinton Foundation

What a coup!

[artislife]

9. *chortle nt

[kath]

13. Heh. You bad!

[840high]

24. lol

[roguevalley]

22. since I wasn't asked and no one else I know, it was bestowed by a guy who is her guy who wants

a cabinet position. I don't congratulate that and no one can ask me to. Jeez. reminds me of taxation without representation. No one I know was asked. No one.

[BrotherIvan]

18. +!

[Impedimentus]

7. Congratulations to Ms. Clinton for an endorsement from her close friend Randi Weingarten

and the executive committee Ms. Weingaten controls!

We look forward to congratulating Ms. Clinton on the endorsement of the rank and file 1.5 million members.

By the way, when is the rank and file vote?

[peacebird]

10. +1

[TM99]

11. Well done.

That encapsulates it beautifully.

Typical Clinton 'progressivism'.

[840high]

25. ...^ that

[virtualobserver]

14. I hereby offer my full congratulations to Hillary on her excellent endorsement.

[BainsBane]

15. They've decided the entire system is corrupt

and that the union leader is now an enemy of the people.

[Ikonoklast]

17. You do realize that the rank and file will many times not vote for whomever the leadership supports?

Union membership is not monolithic, as I am sure Randi Weingarten will be reminded of that by the membership.


http://www.commondreams.org/views/2015/07/13/teachers-say-no-freaking-way-aft-endorsement-hillary-clinton

[BainsBane]

21. Yet the fact is the only reason they even care

Is AFT didn't support the candidate they want. All unions involve a hierarchy, leaders elected by the membership. That is how it has always worked. There is no evidence those teachers in the article are anywhere close to the majority of the union membership. Given how far behind Clinton Sanders is in national polling, it simply doesn't make sense that a majority of teachers would support him instead. And certainly the vast majority of people on this site aren't in the AFT, but they are furious because the union didn't do their bidding. So now the AFT leadership is the enemy, just like the President, the Democratic Party, and the 85 percent of Democratic voters who support someone besides Sanders.

[roguevalley]

23. and you would be wrong. No teacher union likes being told. NEA nor AFT likes being told.

I love your positive assertions about how everyone was asked. I have yet to speak to anyone who was. But then again, I'm only a teacher and a union officer the whole damned time. Ignore me. Just like they did.

Jeez, everyone knows teaching, teachers and education because they were in fifth grade once.

[BainsBane]

32. I didn't say everyone was asked

I said the only reason people here care about any of it is because they didn't support their choice for a candidate. I said unions are based on a hierarchy of leadership, one people on this site have decided to smear since they dare to support a different candidate. I said you have no evidence the majority opposes the decision, and there is no logical reason to believe they do given Clinton's considerable lead over Sanders in the polls. Suddenly people here care about their process for nomination, when in past years they didn't. It's clear the concern as always is for one thing and one thing only: advancing Bernie Sanders candidacy.

Next time, please do me the courtesy of reading what I say before responding. If you want to have a conversation with someone who made the points above, go find that person.

Believe it or not, a great deal of education goes on beyond fifth grade. I have spent my life working in universities, both teaching and in administrative positions. That isn't relevant to this point, other than your gratuitous assumption that my knowledge of education is limited to the fifth grade. I in fact have taught a number of teachers in college history courses. Again, I understand that pales in comparison to the intellectual heft of the fifth grade, but I soldier on regardless.

[roguevalley]

35. again, you don't get teachers and how the union politicing goes. NO teacher likes to be told who the

union will endorse. Some teachers don't even believe we belong in politics. I have been in this business for almost thirty years and served as a state and local officer. I know what I'm talking about and this is a blatant conflict of interest on the part of the union hierarchy. I don't care if it was for Sanders, without asking EVERYONE, its bullshit.

the rest was edited after cooling off. This 'endorsement' was a payoff by the hierarchy to a pal. Even if it went to Sanders it would be wrong. They didn't ask. This in NO WAY reflects my feelings and desires for a candidate and I think it will lose a lot of votes for Hillary. But then, who the fuck cares? No one asked everyone after all. They asked enough to make it look legit and the outrage indicates what a major fail that was.

Never ever underestimate the outrage of a public school teacher being told what to believe.

[Ikonoklast]

29. And being a close personal friend of the candidate is irrelevant to her endorsement.

As well as being a financial supporter, the head of a PAC supporting Clinton, along with the possibility of being chosen to be a cabinet member.

The rank and file sees the quid pro quo, even when others are blind to it.

There was no polling of the union membership, this was done solely at the executive level with very little input from them whatsoever.


http://watchdog.org/229045/teachers-union-irks-rank-file-clinton-endorsement/

There is no evidence that the majority of the rank and file supports Clinton, either.

Hillary Clinton has spoken favorably about charter schools, Common Core standards and testing policies all of which most unionized teachers do not support.

[BainsBane]

33. I assert that is a matter for their membership to determine

Not you or me. You in fact do not know what the entire "rank-and file" believe. You know what some unhappy members have reported online.

Politics is forged through personal relationships. That is the advantage of being a long-term member of the Democratic party. One builds relationships with key Democratic constituencies. Expecting someone who has avoiding membership in a party to reap all the advantages of that party is naive. Sanders chose not to become a Democrat. He had his reasons, which I respect. But that also comes with a cost.

[zappaman]

16. They AFT is lying!!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=438766

[Agschmid]

19. Careful you could easily get a hide for that!

[NanceGreggs]

26. ...

[Scootaloo]

27. This line...

Hopefully Hillary Clinton supporters will congratulate Bernie Sanders on any important future endorsements.

Well, hopefully. I'm not going to hold my breath.

[mmonk]

28. You people....

time to leave DU for awhile. Continue to bail water while not fixing the leak in this country for a damn dollar.

[Avalux]

30. I don't like to be told what I should or should not do.

It's a great endorsement for her and to be expected, but it's not cool to tell Sanders supporters what to do. Thanks.

[Peacetrain]

31. As an O'Malley supporter and former teacher

that is a good endorsement..

[MoonRiver]

34. Unfortunately your request for politeness went over like a lead balloon.

Nothing new though.