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sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 09:47 PM Jul 2015

When Hillary Clinton Gave a Talk at a Black Church and Insulted BLM

Recently, shortly after the tragic terror attack that killed 9 wonderful AAs in Charleston, Hillary went to speak at a Black Church not too far from the tragedy.

After speaking about racism, poverty etc, she spoke about her mother's struggles as a young woman when she says, she asked her mom how she dealt with her challenges. Her mom, Hillary stated, told her that 'all lives matter'.

No sooner had she used that phrase than the Internet exploded with reaction from AAs who accused her of being insensitive, unaware, and 'just trying to get our votes' which they stated was clear when she refused to use the phrase BlackLivesMatter alone, without 'qualification'.

Some of the comments on blogs and on Social Media were very explicit, accusing Clinton of 'pandering' for 'our votes' without 'having a clue' what the needs of the AA actually were. Many of the commenters expressed an interest in Bernie Sanders who has a long history of fighting for Civil Rights for AAs and for Economic justice.

Clearly Hillary had 'stepped in it bigtime' according to those who were outraged by her use of the three letter phrase.

Airc at the time, Sanders was asked to condemn Hillary's speech. Being the decent person he is, he refused to do so.

'She won't get my vote' 'I'm looking at Bernie Sanders' became familiar comments after that speech.

So is it any wonder that if her campaign was made aware of the planned 'demonstration' at Netroots Nation that Hillary decided to not to show up???

Netroots Nation, which was started by Kos from DK, changing its name after many controversies erupted re Kos himself and his founding partner, has never been the 'Liberal' forum it is touted to be.

Bernie is a real threat right now to the Status Quo, so we can expect a lot more of this kind of dirty trick.

But some of us were around when some very disturbing exposures of the founders of what is now known as Netroots Nation started this event.

And we are not at all surprised at ANYTHING that happened today.

Go Bernie, first they ignore you, then they mock you, and then, when you clearly are making a dent in the status quo, the ATTACK YOU!

And then YOU WIN.

I was a witness to the founding of what is called Netroots Nation AND to many of the disturbing facts surrounding the founders of DK itself. So unlike others, today's events were no surprise to me and the thousands of other Liberal Dems who witnessed what I witnessed also.

I hope this political dirty trick will now renew calls for transparency on who these people really are. WE know a lot, but not enough, thanks to one AA Lawyer who went on a mission to expose the facts AFTER he was banned from that supposed Liberal Blog.

And yes, I can back up everything I am saying here and MORE.

But my main goal is to acknowledge that a lot of money is going to be spent to try to stop Bernie Sanders, AND O'Malley should he too become a threat to the status quo.

And it's up to us to not allow that to happen.

Go Bernie!

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When Hillary Clinton Gave a Talk at a Black Church and Insulted BLM (Original Post) sabrina 1 Jul 2015 OP
You think what happened to Bernie at Netroots Nation was a political dirty trick? Cali_Democrat Jul 2015 #1
Vince Foster and Chris Stevens planned it for Hillary years ago ... JoePhilly Jul 2015 #3
Hillary Is An Anathema To Freedom And Goodwill billhicks76 Jul 2015 #107
It doesn't matter who orchestrated it. It's who benefits that should concern us most leveymg Jul 2015 #5
She did not show up at the event because the last time she was there in 2007, they boo'ed her. still_one Jul 2015 #29
And the other person who benefits is....Lincoln Chafee, who didn't show up either? brooklynite Jul 2015 #78
OMG! NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #87
Gotta wipe off my computer screen... calimary Jul 2015 #106
Yes. and to O'Malley. sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #6
Who do you think orchestrated this "political dirty trick"? Cali_Democrat Jul 2015 #17
Don't think you'll get an answer to that one. George II Jul 2015 #61
We will, eventually. sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #69
Why play games. You said you know how/why/who. Where is it? George II Jul 2015 #71
And???? When is "eventually"? George II Jul 2015 #108
How about that stupid host? jwirr Jul 2015 #76
This is performance art, right? zappaman Jul 2015 #41
It has to be! This is heading into black helicopter territory. R B Garr Jul 2015 #112
I think Netroots Nation should be avoided by all Liberal Candidates sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #121
"Political dirty trick" zappaman Jul 2015 #2
I expect that reaction, but since I know a whole lot more about this than you, I am sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #7
Lol! zappaman Jul 2015 #10
I always love it when posters pretend that political strategists don't exist. As if Karl Rove GoneFishin Jul 2015 #23
Yes, and the pretend OUTRAGE now is amusing. sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #27
Its's fun to laugh at rightwingers who vote against their own best interests, but the Democratic GoneFishin Jul 2015 #40
DK is Third Way/DLC its founder a Republican who worked for Henry Hyde sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #53
I see many signs that the addage "... and keep your enemies closer " is taken very seriously by the GoneFishin Jul 2015 #72
The aim of of conservadems is to destroy the party or transform it into something abhorrent. Enthusiast Jul 2015 #99
Conservadems! nt artislife Jul 2015 #124
"judging our "friends" by who has a D after their name, rather than their policy stances, is kath Jul 2015 #118
Bernie responded to the situation very well. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #97
He responded horribly. I thought he was Mr. Town Hall. R B Garr Jul 2015 #120
He had just watched part of the way O'Malley was treated. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #131
Well, Hillary wasn't there, so no rational person is blaming her. R B Garr Jul 2015 #143
Sorry, sheshe2 Jul 2015 #130
See my post #131. Black Lives Matter should have been given a time to JDPriestly Jul 2015 #133
Agreed. We need to remember that it wasn't Sanders first rodeo Babel_17 Jul 2015 #149
This morning when I woke up I realized how the crisis giving rise to Black Lives Matter, JDPriestly Jul 2015 #165
Good post, you have me thinking of an article at Salon Babel_17 Jul 2015 #166
Yes. We need to be awakened to compassion, not to dissension. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #167
Which DK partner was indicted and convicted? MH1 Jul 2015 #142
+1 You nailed it a shit load. Enthusiast Jul 2015 #95
Something like this was going to happen Babel_17 Jul 2015 #148
Well if you know a lot more about this than "us", why not share it with "us"? George II Jul 2015 #64
right? I know secret stuff, trust me. uh, no. elehhhhna Jul 2015 #81
Oh, there, there, sabrina ... NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #127
I suppose you haven't noticed the "Bernie doesn't care for minorities" meme floated here recently? leveymg Jul 2015 #8
They have, it's a talking point, a Rovian tactic and they know exactly what it is. sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #32
It's a Rovian tactic all the way. We know it when we smell it. Enthusiast Jul 2015 #101
Love ya sabrina, but gotta echo Cali_Democrat here... Scootaloo Jul 2015 #4
I am entitled to my opinion, which is based on years of watching and sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #9
Except you stated it as a fact. zappaman Jul 2015 #12
I stated an informed opinion. sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #15
And you said you KNOW more than anyone about this. "KNOW" isn't an opinion, but...... George II Jul 2015 #73
Yes, I do. Are you questioning that? I know that the Karl Rove sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #77
So what is it that you've been dancing around and hinting over and over again? George II Jul 2015 #80
Apparently it's only a 'dark secret' to you. But then, maybe you are new to all this. sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #85
It must be a "dark secret" to me, since you've said you know more than any of us... George II Jul 2015 #92
This is well-known tactic. NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #100
Lol! zappaman Jul 2015 #110
I got a song that ain't got no melody.. Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #114
It's an ongoing tactic attempting to pass off opinions as fact.. Sheepshank Jul 2015 #96
And you nailed it. Enthusiast Jul 2015 #102
Yes you are, but I'd surely like to see something backing it up. Scootaloo Jul 2015 #20
I'd like to see something backing up the Rovian attacks on Bernie. sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #38
As would I, and I've been pecking at those people too. Scootaloo Jul 2015 #57
They do NOT 'go silent' no matter how wrong they are proven to be. sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #65
+100% Enthusiast Jul 2015 #104
+1 -every day, all day... canoeist52 Jul 2015 #144
It's definitely a talking point. I went to talk to the guy who led that interruption sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #158
Now it is an opinion? sheshe2 Jul 2015 #75
As they say.... George II Jul 2015 #83
They just teasing us, George II~ sheshe2 Jul 2015 #84
It was widely known that HRC wouldn't show. Which is why there was no danger she'd be splattered leveymg Jul 2015 #11
If that's the case Bernie has big problems LordGlenconner Jul 2015 #48
This incident makes the internet meme clear. If dirty tricks blow-back at HRC, this will give Bernie leveymg Jul 2015 #62
It's not that she "wouldn't show", it's that she had a previous speaking engagement.... George II Jul 2015 #89
It's absolute nonsense. Hillary hasn't gone to Netroots since 2007 when she was heckled there. scarletwoman Jul 2015 #21
+++++++++++++ still_one Jul 2015 #34
Jesus Christ Enthusiast Jul 2015 #105
+a million tammywammy Jul 2015 #126
"it's totally disrepectful to the demonstrators and dismissive of the anger they feel." Number23 Jul 2015 #136
In 2007, the last time she was at the event she was boo'ed, so it is not surprising that she still_one Jul 2015 #31
So, do Clinton supporters here applaud the courage and honesty of the 2007 booers? Scootaloo Jul 2015 #35
I wish I wasn't too lazy to look up old threads :) arcane1 Jul 2015 #63
Yes, I think some are being teleported now to the scene. R B Garr Jul 2015 #115
so, what you are doing here isn't contributing anything to the BLM cause bigtree Jul 2015 #13
I have watched the despicable attacks on Bernie Sanders, the Rovian implications sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #18
We see it. zappaman Jul 2015 #42
I'm sure you do! You never disappoint, I rely on you for confirmation sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #82
... Agschmid Jul 2015 #14
Didn't you pretend to be a Bernie supporter until people called you out sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #22
That's my quote in support of Bernie being taken out of context. I was speaking about BLM chanters GoneFishin Jul 2015 #28
This is woo. And a tad childish. JaneyVee Jul 2015 #16
Woo is the nasty Rovian attacks on Sanders coming from Hillary's sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #24
No, woo is you making that statement with zero evidence to back it up. JaneyVee Jul 2015 #68
No, Woo is exactly what I said it is. Nasty lies coming from sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #74
Wait. You made up a story about Hillary's involvement in this. R B Garr Jul 2015 #90
Yes shenmue Jul 2015 #168
IN the context of speaking at an African American church, All Lives Matter is a blow-off eridani Jul 2015 #19
Yes, and right here on DU, many of her supporters did not get that. sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #25
Hillary was not going to show up no matter what. scarletwoman Jul 2015 #26
And I don't give a rat's ass what anyone thinks. I was there and I sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #43
You think they won't confront Hillary? gwheezie Jul 2015 #30
The 'movement' wasn't there. There was a group there and if you have read the emails sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #46
Both Tia Oso and Patrisse Cullors were there. sufrommich Jul 2015 #60
I watched the videos, and it sure looked LuvNewcastle Jul 2015 #33
This had nothing to do with Hillary. They boo-ed her the last time she attended in 2007. The still_one Jul 2015 #39
You don't know any more about what happened LuvNewcastle Jul 2015 #47
In the videos it sure seemed that way, and you are right I don't know what really happened. Has still_one Jul 2015 #51
I haven't seen anyone yet. LuvNewcastle Jul 2015 #66
Bernie doesn't connect with poc, he blows it with black lives matter.... Sheepshank Jul 2015 #36
Your comment confirms my opinion, thank you for that. sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #49
As does your OP confirm mine. N/T Sheepshank Jul 2015 #52
Your opinion, considering your participation in spreading false sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #56
And as usual you persist in presenting opinion as if it were fact. Sheepshank Jul 2015 #58
What false issues am I spreading regarding Bernie? Sheepshank Jul 2015 #109
Doing threats now? 99Forever Jul 2015 #145
I'm calling out a lie...where is there a threat? Sheepshank Jul 2015 #155
I agree with Hillary, all lives matter, none more than others. Hillary has bren a long time Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #37
Ohmygod. Tone deaf much? "All lives matter"?? Have you not been paying attention? kath Jul 2015 #122
It was cool when HRC said it whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #154
Why would one life matter any more than others? The same complaint the BLM group is complaining Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #164
Oh please... Gman Jul 2015 #44
So is Bernie's and O'Malley's. Bernie supporters have not questioned Hillary's sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #111
Please, there was an OP here last week Gman Jul 2015 #134
That OP was a take off on all the others that were posted here sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #135
"And yes, I can back up everything I am saying here and MORE." zappaman Jul 2015 #45
You have a problem with that statement? Or do you just like to play sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #50
Kick so people can see how funny this is! zappaman Jul 2015 #55
Thanks, now why you don't you go kick my other thread where sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #103
If you can back this up, do it. But you can't, apparently. kwassa Jul 2015 #98
Back what up? Were you around when Netroots Nation began, remember what it used sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #129
Not a surprise. zappaman Jul 2015 #132
QUICK, LOOK OVER HERE! Metric System Jul 2015 #54
"Being the decent person" Bernie is, he WOULD immediately dismiss anyone oasis Jul 2015 #59
"So is it any wonder that if her campaign was made aware of the planned 'demonstration'...... George II Jul 2015 #67
And I thought that the Right were the only ones pushing conspiracy theories. Beacool Jul 2015 #70
For the record, BLM was dissatisfied with that answer from Mr. O'Malley. Ed Suspicious Jul 2015 #88
Yes. And they were not satisfied with that same answer from HRC. kath Jul 2015 #125
Kicked SoapBox Jul 2015 #79
And sorry, but this looks pretty shallow Gman Jul 2015 #86
K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Jul 2015 #91
Lol! zappaman Jul 2015 #113
+ an entire shitload Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #116
I generally like your posts. LeftOfWest Jul 2015 #138
That's okay Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #141
Jury results tammywammy Jul 2015 #117
Lol! zappaman Jul 2015 #123
GD-P has been a source of some SPECTACULAR fail and GLORIOUS flame outs today. Number23 Jul 2015 #137
I'm not sure what you're saying. Hillary was heckled there, so somehow she aligned with her hecklers pnwmom Jul 2015 #93
Go Bernie! JDPriestly Jul 2015 #94
Something is missing here aspirant Jul 2015 #119
I am in Phoenix and I want to share my thoughts on this. TM99 Jul 2015 #128
Thank you. djean111 Jul 2015 #139
+1 dreamnightwind Jul 2015 #146
Nucleus of an article there! But it's perfect as is. Babel_17 Jul 2015 #150
HRC may have not been involved, but I believe some in her organization was. LiberalArkie Jul 2015 #152
Excellent post, thank you. I agree with everything you said. sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #163
introducing... quickesst Jul 2015 #140
How's the saying go? Never attribute to malice ... Babel_17 Jul 2015 #147
The right hates Hillary. The fringe left hates Hillary... SidDithers Jul 2015 #151
Hillary was not invited. That is why she did not show up. And no political campaign Luminous Animal Jul 2015 #153
50 million American households watch RT, Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #156
LOL! zappaman Jul 2015 #157
Just the facts Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #161
You sound very upset, Thanks for kicking this thread. And calm down sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #160
Not upset at all. Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #162
WOW! MohRokTah Jul 2015 #159
 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
1. You think what happened to Bernie at Netroots Nation was a political dirty trick?
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 09:52 PM
Jul 2015

Who do you think orchestrated it?

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
3. Vince Foster and Chris Stevens planned it for Hillary years ago ...
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 09:54 PM
Jul 2015

... and now they are both dead and can't deny it ... coincidence?

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
5. It doesn't matter who orchestrated it. It's who benefits that should concern us most
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 09:59 PM
Jul 2015

and how she conducts the rest of her campaign. The ethics, or lack of them, of the candidates will determine the outcome.

People will see through this sort of thing. Time wounds all heels.

still_one

(91,946 posts)
29. She did not show up at the event because the last time she was there in 2007, they boo'ed her.
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 10:27 PM
Jul 2015

I think it is unfortunate what happened at Netroots, but Bernie handled himself well, and O'Malley met with others from Netroots after the abrasive reception he received. From what I can gather a significant portion of the crowd were receptive at least to what Bernie was saying, and those who kept interrupting, I do not believe really wanted to engage in a dialog with the candidates anyway

brooklynite

(93,847 posts)
78. And the other person who benefits is....Lincoln Chafee, who didn't show up either?
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 11:32 PM
Jul 2015

Who tipped him off?

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
87. OMG!
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 11:48 PM
Jul 2015

That caused an actual spit-take at my end!

The OP will be up any minute now: "What did Chafee know, and when did he know i?"

I suspect Darryl Issa will be ON THIS before dawn.

calimary

(80,693 posts)
106. Gotta wipe off my computer screen...
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 12:18 AM
Jul 2015

Dammit, Nance!!! And they'll call dan "scumbag" burton and ken starr in on it, too! "What did Chafee know, and when did he know it?!?!?!"

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
121. I think Netroots Nation should be avoided by all Liberal Candidates
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 01:15 AM
Jul 2015

It never fails to turn into a fist fight, for whatever reason.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
7. I expect that reaction, but since I know a whole lot more about this than you, I am
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 10:01 PM
Jul 2015

going to enjoy the revelations that are forthcoming. Keep on roly polying, I get a real kick out of the non substantive responses when the facts are revealed, and all of a sudden, the laughter stops. It's been going on re Netroots Nation for all the years since it's founding by Kos.

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
23. I always love it when posters pretend that political strategists don't exist. As if Karl Rove
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 10:17 PM
Jul 2015

and Richard Nixon are just fictional characters who are too sleazy to exist in real life.

I don't know all of the specific players in this case, but there are plenty who would not hesitate for a split second to stage these outbursts if it advanced their political or personal goals. For anyone to pretend otherwise is laughable.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
27. Yes, and the pretend OUTRAGE now is amusing.
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 10:26 PM
Jul 2015

I know all about Netroots Nation, was worried to be honest about Bernie agreeing to participate.

I was there when it was founded by Kos and knew it was a phony 'liberal' event.

So did most liberals who were around at the time.

We on the Left have always been too 'nice' when dealing with these tactics.

I've refrained eg, from posting anti-other candidates material, while Hillary supporters do not hesitate to continue to spread the false Rovian meme re Bernie.

This 'event' just showed me I was right to be concerned about Bernie being invovled with this.

However, it won't stop him or the people from continuing to work to take this country back from those who have been working so hard to destroy everything that is good about it.

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
40. Its's fun to laugh at rightwingers who vote against their own best interests, but the Democratic
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 10:39 PM
Jul 2015

party has their own versions of giving away to the progressives in the base only those things that don't translate to any real money or power, while handing over all of the economic goodies to Wall Street, Goldman Sachs, and the like.

I heard a founder of DK in a radio interview and he sounded like he was using rehearsed party talking points, not speaking freely about progressive values etc..

I don't put much stock in it anymore now.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
53. DK is Third Way/DLC its founder a Republican who worked for Henry Hyde
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 10:54 PM
Jul 2015

Our party has been infiltrated and DK was part of the attempt to reign in the left which they did, sadly.

Kos and his partner, who was indicted and convicted of Internet Fraud btw, not related to his antics on DK, though people did know what a thug he was there, claim to have been just guys with a blog. Don't dare to ask any questions about they went from zero to a million dollar home in Ca or you will be banned from the site.

My concern is that we get a candidate elected who actually cares about this country. I know how rughless the opposition to that goal is going to be.

The Left needs to start developing a spine or expect to lose, AGAIN.

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
72. I see many signs that the addage "... and keep your enemies closer " is taken very seriously by the
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 11:21 PM
Jul 2015

Republicans and the conservadems. I believe a number of would be Republicans call themselves Democrats for strategic reasons, to infiltrate the party. Joe Lieberman for example had no business calling himself a Democrat.

I think judging our "friends" by who has a D after their name, rather than their policy stances, is destroying the party.

kath

(10,565 posts)
118. "judging our "friends" by who has a D after their name, rather than their policy stances, is
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 01:04 AM
Jul 2015

destroying the party."
I'd like to see that in letters three feet tall, it's so true.

Great post, every word of it.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
97. Bernie responded to the situation very well.
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 12:05 AM
Jul 2015

He let the host know that he would leave if treated discourteously. That seemed to be a signal to the crowd to listen a little.

I would have liked to have heard both O'Malley's and Sanders' full presentations. I saw only part of the videos.

The Black Lives Matters group certainly did not help their cause. They need serious attention and they need lots of allies. That was not a good way to get what they need. I was very disappointed in Netroots Nation.

R B Garr

(16,920 posts)
120. He responded horribly. I thought he was Mr. Town Hall.
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 01:07 AM
Jul 2015

Can't get enough of them! Apparently he doesn't do so well in them, after all. Now that other video of the town hall where he's telling a woman to shut up is giving a clearer picture of him.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
131. He had just watched part of the way O'Malley was treated.
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 02:05 AM
Jul 2015

Hey. If Phoenix and Netroots Nation can't appreciate the fact that we have real liberals running for president and let them talk, we'd love to have Bernie out here in California.

The time of the candidates is precious. Not everyone gets to have the access that Netroots Nation had to O'Malley and Sanders.

The Black Lives Matter movement is right to bring their issues to the fore, but not in the way they did. They hardly gave O'Malley enough time to talk. I would have liked to hear what he had to say.

At least Bernie made it clear that either he would talk or he would leave. I agree that questions and answers should be permitted, and I think the Black Lives Matters movement should be heard and loud and clear -- but not when the candidates have been given time to be heard.

Maybe Black Lives Matter should have been given time to demonstrate and read the names (a very effective thing had it been done in a less disruptive, more respectful to the names being read, more thoughtful and meditative way) so that all of us were really listening to the names and thinking about the families who have lost loved ones due to police brutality.

The demonstration was not effective. It was not thoughtful enough. It was too loud and hurried. It should have had more time and space. And then the speeches were not effective. They should have been given the chance to respond to the Black Lives Matter issues more fully and still have had time to give their speeches.

It was poor program planning and coordination. And everybody lost because of it. Most of all the families of the people being named by Black Lives Matter.

Very poor management on the part of either Netroots Nation or possibly lack of coordination on the part of Black Lives Matter with the organizers of Netroots Nation.

Poorly done. Poorly done. That really hurt not only all the three major candidates (Hillary and her supporters get blamed; O'Malley wasn't really given a chance to speak calmly; Sanders had to take charge of the situation and could not fully address the crowd) but Democrats in general and most important the Black Lives Matter movement which came across as awkward, loud, disruptive and poorly organized rather than as the serious advocates for an extremely important cause that they are.

This is especially bad in the light of the terrible killing in the church. Black Lives do Matter. Martin Luther King would never, never have done any action in that way. He was meditative, prayerful and respectful in what he did. And he won a lot of friends for Blacks that way. Black Lives Matter need to organize what they are doing better.

R B Garr

(16,920 posts)
143. Well, Hillary wasn't there, so no rational person is blaming her.
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 09:28 AM
Jul 2015

Obviously no one would blame her supporters. Only on this website is there anyone blaming Hillary, and even then, it's innuendo and a big whisper campaign that really doesn't even count as opinion it's so bizarre.

Anyway, thank you for the polite post. I see a lot of what you are saying as being a string of happenings that are hard to manage when they happen in real time. I guess I've just seen Bernie's town halls touted so much here, I would have thought he would have handled things better because of his experience. He was dismissive and seemed put upon that he was taken off message. Being taken off message is the name of the game in politics, but I'm sure he will make adjustments as he goes along in this process.

I do have to wonder, however, if Bernie was confronted like this by Occupy Wall Street protestors if he would have handled it differently and not so dismissively. Nothing BLM did was any different than the tactics of the OWS movement, Wall Street being one of his favorite targets for his audiences. Black Lives Matter -- obviously not so much on his radar.

You are exactly right about acknowledging the protestors and then still managing the event. Aside from the candidates, the event manager can and should have been handled things much better, as well. In the end, though, the protest was effective because it drew attention just like the tactics of OWS were meant to do.


sheshe2

(83,331 posts)
130. Sorry,
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 01:54 AM
Jul 2015

Bernie is running for President of the United States. Not Mayor in VT/NH. He needs a thicker skin.

He let the host know that he would leave if treated discourteously. That seemed to be a signal to the crowd to listen a little.


He wants to run from some protesters? What the hell is he going to do when he meets with the leaders that disagree with him in Iran, Iraq, Russia, Afghanistan et all.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
133. See my post #131. Black Lives Matter should have been given a time to
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 02:14 AM
Jul 2015

present their issues to the candidates. But the Black Lives Matter is extremely serious, and the presentation should have been done with plenty of time to read all the names slowly and prayerfully or meditatively or respectfully, slowly and not just yelling them out. It would have been more effective.

The organization of the Sanders and O'Malley speeches should have been coordinated with Black Lives Matter in a more cooperative way.

Black Lives Matter and the candidates were all done a disservice with this confrontational, disruptive organization. The demonstration was presented to make it look like there was some sort of conflict between O'Malley and Sanders and the Black Lives Matter movement. I don't think that either O'Malley or Sanders or any Democrats that are liberal for that matter are opposed to Black Lives Matter. We all support it. So why the confrontational matter.

We have to work together to achieve justice for Blacks.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
149. Agreed. We need to remember that it wasn't Sanders first rodeo
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 10:34 AM
Jul 2015

For many people these type of events are new, exciting, and empowering, but the lessons Sanders learned in the past about them still apply. Seeing right away that the moderator was not up to it, Sanders made the correct decision to address the issue. He was also correct in not allowing himself to be a doormat for rudely behaving disruptors.

He maintained the right precedent, and that was very important. I think this will be more apparent as his campaign unfolds. Now that the Sanders campaign has momentum and juice, people want to get their hands on the tiller, or in some cases just jiggle his arm.

In politics, this is nothing new.

This is all extraneous to the underlying issue, which is literally a deadly serious one. No one person or group owns it, and I hope it gets the serious attention it has deserved for so long. It's going to take massive progress by our society as a whole to fully address this fundamental issue. We won't ever ignore it, and we will make the needed changes.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
165. This morning when I woke up I realized how the crisis giving rise to Black Lives Matter,
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 12:55 PM
Jul 2015

the police brutality, is part of a swing toward more of a police state that has taken place since some time in the 1960s, maybe since Kent State. Gradually our prison population has grown to include an unbelievable percentage of our population. Gradually the NSA and other intelligence agencies have extended their surveillance to populations within the US and communications between the US and other countries including commercial communications that clearly have nothing to do with any threat to our country. Gradually we have school police that are not at all like the old-fashioned janitors that were in our schools when I was a child and who hung a paddle over the door, a paddle that was never used except to scare us.

I do not want to detract from the fact that the wrongs Black Lives Matter are addressing are so much, much more serious than the other wrongs I mention. Black Lives Matter is talking about life and death issues. The other symptoms I mention are not at that level, but they help us see that the police killings of Black suspects and innocent people are part of a pattern that we need to do something about -- the development of an uncontrolled police state.

I would add that voter disenfranchisement is part of this whole scheme of gradually increasing oppression too.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
166. Good post, you have me thinking of an article at Salon
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 01:12 PM
Jul 2015
http://www.salon.com/2015/07/19/why_americas_prison_problem_is_so_much_worse_than_even_barack_obama_wants_to_let_on/

It wasn’t until late in the speech that Obama alluded to the problem, speaking of the vast prison apparatus of recent decades as “containing and controlling problems that the rest of us are not facing up to and willing to do something about.”

He then repeats the frightening notion again with the same word: “contain.” Police and prisons have been used, he said, to “contain the hopelessness when we are not willing to make the investments to help lift those communities out of hopelessness.” He continues: “That’s not just a police problem; that’s a societal problem.”


Our society sets up the inhabitants of disenfranchised communities like so many bowling pins. Eventually they get creamed by a bowling ball of one kind or another, and then swept into the maw of a system that provides scant means of exit.

MH1

(17,537 posts)
142. Which DK partner was indicted and convicted?
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 09:20 AM
Jul 2015

I'm just curious. I used to spend a lot of time there until I found DU. There were some real pieces of work there, but also some really good posters. I'm just wondering which of the pieces of work you're referring to. (I would greatly appreciate a PM if you don't want to post the details).

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
148. Something like this was going to happen
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 10:17 AM
Jul 2015

It's happened and can be judged for what it was. That it was more about drowning out the speakers, and not allowing them to talk before the time for answering questions, was not a win for that small group and their advocates. It's been noted that at that venue there were lots of forums for their voices to be raised, and they had access to asking for more if they were inclined to organize it.

We're left with the optics of it not being about their right to be heard, but their asserting a right to drown others out, and take away their chance to speak.

An utter fail by the moderator and the organizers, and I see them as having been more concerned for getting publicity for themselves. And they deliberately engineered that happening by enabling their invited speakers to be the victims of some political theater.

That's a totally uncool thing to do with friendly guests, and I hope it's strongly remembered and bites them in the ass. The media has a sweet tooth for these kinds of attention grabbers who play the game too cute. They will be there for their respective falls from grace.

George II

(67,782 posts)
64. Well if you know a lot more about this than "us", why not share it with "us"?
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 11:03 PM
Jul 2015

Is this a guessing game?

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
127. Oh, there, there, sabrina ...
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 01:36 AM
Jul 2015

No need to hold back.

This is the new DU, where everyone has let their hair down - so why not you?

This is the site where calling the Democratic president a "piece of shit used car salesman" gets you hundreds of RECs, and a place on the Home Page!

This is the site where implying that the Democratic frontrunner, HRC, is a bought-and-paid-for Wall Street whore is perfectly fine.

So just let 'er rip and give us all of your "insider info" - we're all dyin' to know what you "insiders" are privy to!

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
8. I suppose you haven't noticed the "Bernie doesn't care for minorities" meme floated here recently?
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 10:03 PM
Jul 2015

Don't be coy.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
32. They have, it's a talking point, a Rovian tactic and they know exactly what it is.
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 10:30 PM
Jul 2015

I never noticed any of them slapping down the lies being told about Bernie. I have watched it, and have refrained from using similar tactics against their candidate.

I do however have a lot of knowledge about Netroots Nation, and this whole thing stinks to high heaven and I am expressing my opinion which is based on a lot of knowledge of that organization.

I know I will not be the only one.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
4. Love ya sabrina, but gotta echo Cali_Democrat here...
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 09:58 PM
Jul 2015
So is it any wonder that if her campaign was made aware of the planned 'demonstration' at Netroots Nation that Hillary decided to not to show up???


I want to see support for this claim. 'cause that's pretty damning if true.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
9. I am entitled to my opinion, which is based on years of watching and
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 10:05 PM
Jul 2015

being part of the thousands of Liberals who learned about this organization over the years. You don't have to agree, that's fine, but my opinion is based on my experience with these operatives.

Hillary is in trouble with the AA community.

The talking point that has been pervasive re Bernie no matter how untrue, has persisted despite the evidence that it is false.

We'll see, but I've never been wrong before when it comes to this deceptive 'liberal' organization and put it this way, 'if it walks like a duck etc.

George II

(67,782 posts)
73. And you said you KNOW more than anyone about this. "KNOW" isn't an opinion, but......
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 11:23 PM
Jul 2015

....you're keeping that from everyone.

Ever hear of a man named Karl Rove?

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
77. Yes, I do. Are you questioning that? I know that the Karl Rove
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 11:32 PM
Jul 2015

tactics being used against Sanders are coming from some very familiar places.

It's harming Hillary unfortunately. Whether she approves of it or not, I can't say, but Rovian tactics don't work the way they used to on a population now very aware of them unlike years ago when no decent person could even imagine the kind of tactics Rove and his minions launched against some really good Dems. And now we are seeing it again, thanks for the reminder.

You clearly are in the dark about what thousands of Democrats learned regarding some of our so-called 'liberal' reps. Not my problem if you are in 'the dark', thankfully most of us are not.

George II

(67,782 posts)
80. So what is it that you've been dancing around and hinting over and over again?
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 11:35 PM
Jul 2015

Or is it some deep dark secret that no one else can know?

George II

(67,782 posts)
92. It must be a "dark secret" to me, since you've said you know more than any of us...
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 11:55 PM
Jul 2015

....about what's going on. Apparently it's a "dark secret" to everyone here but you.

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
100. This is well-known tactic.
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 12:09 AM
Jul 2015

The OP will continually refer to "inside information" and, when asked for details, will imply that if you were in-the-know, you wouldn't have to ask.

And so it goes, around in circles ...

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
96. It's an ongoing tactic attempting to pass off opinions as fact..
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 12:03 AM
Jul 2015

Just had to call out the same tactic not 5 mins ago on another thread.....it's always clear when there is a huge lack of any back up for the "facts" as stated.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
38. I'd like to see something backing up the Rovian attacks on Bernie.
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 10:36 PM
Jul 2015

I certainly have asked for something, and got nothing other than Rovian distortions in response. As I said, based on what I know about these people, I am forming an opinion, and on the Rovian talking point that is clearly a tactic.

I want proof of that or they have set a standard which I am fine with abiding by. But I know this, when one side plays dirty and the other side doesn't respond, the people pay the price.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
57. As would I, and I've been pecking at those people too.
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 10:57 PM
Jul 2015

They tend to go silent after all their squirming doesn't get them out.

Two wrongs don't make a right. Just because some people are being ratfuck assholes on Du is no good reason to emulate their atactics.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
65. They do NOT 'go silent' no matter how wrong they are proven to be.
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 11:04 PM
Jul 2015

They continue to operate and care nothing for what is right or wrong. They expect the Left not to fight back, and they are right, the Left doesn't fight back, they PROTECT the wrong doers, every time, hoping to appear to be 'better'.

This is our country we are fighting for. THEY turned that fight into a war. Except only side is armed. That is why we are where we are.

Make no mistake about it, they are ruthless and they lie with impunity and even with delight.

I am not lying, I am expressing an opinion based on what I stumbled upon back in 2006 when I joined a blog I thought was a Liberal Dem blog. I don't expect others to understand where I am coming from on this. That's fine, but NOTHING surprises me anymore, although it did back them, as to what these people are capable of.

They HATE the Left, just keep that in mind, with a blinding passion, I witnessed it, they don't hide it, yet they claim to be Democrats.

canoeist52

(2,282 posts)
144. +1 -every day, all day...
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 09:46 AM
Jul 2015
It does become wearying, which is the point of it, I guess.
Your insight is much appreciated, here.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
158. It's definitely a talking point. I went to talk to the guy who led that interruption
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 12:01 PM
Jul 2015

on twitter last night. I asked him why he isn't attacking the enemy, Repubs, but going after allies. He said it wasn't an attack. I asked if he supported Hillary, he avoided answering that directly.

So, as I said, we are entitled to form opinions and if candidates don't like that, then maybe they should tell their supporters to spreading false statements about other candidates. Those are the breaks if you want to play dirty politics, you might get blamed for things that seem to be connected to your talking points.

sheshe2

(83,331 posts)
75. Now it is an opinion?
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 11:28 PM
Jul 2015

You talk facts and lawyers banned from a liberal blog. They on a mission to expose said facts? If you can back up what you say then do it! You are not stating a dayum thing here when it comes to facts. What you have is innuendo.

I was a witness to the founding of what is called Netroots Nation AND to many of the disturbing facts surrounding the founders of DK itself.


WE know a lot, but not enough, thanks to one AA Lawyer who went on a mission to expose the facts AFTER he was banned from that supposed Liberal Blog.

And yes, I can back up everything I am saying here and MORE.

George II

(67,782 posts)
83. As they say....
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 11:38 PM
Jul 2015

"Where's the beef?" or................"Put up or shut up!"

I know the secrets of the universe that will give everyone eternal life, but..............nah, I'm not going to tell any of you!

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
11. It was widely known that HRC wouldn't show. Which is why there was no danger she'd be splattered
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 10:05 PM
Jul 2015

This whole thing was clearly targeted at Hillary's opponents.

 

LordGlenconner

(1,348 posts)
48. If that's the case Bernie has big problems
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 10:45 PM
Jul 2015

Because he and his campaign are being out maneuvered. Badly.

But since we've been told Hillary's campaign is inept for some time now I'm having trouble getting the two to align.

I think this is a case of some activists taking an opportunity to be heard at a high profile event. Their idea was terrible and their execution was poor.

Disruptive as it was I don't think Bernie came off looking bad at all and I've thought all along the assertion that he doesn't have the best interest of minorities at heart to lack credibility. I say that as someone who will not be voting for him in the primary but will enthusiastically if he is the nominee.

Anyway it's a shame neither candidate had a chance to be heard.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
62. This incident makes the internet meme clear. If dirty tricks blow-back at HRC, this will give Bernie
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 11:03 PM
Jul 2015

additional credibility as the rising comer who's driving the front-runner to desperate measures. I may be the optimist, but I think it shows Hillary has big problems. She already has a huge trust problem.

George II

(67,782 posts)
89. It's not that she "wouldn't show", it's that she had a previous speaking engagement....
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 11:53 PM
Jul 2015

....in Arkansas in support of HER DEMOCRATIC party.

scarletwoman

(31,893 posts)
21. It's absolute nonsense. Hillary hasn't gone to Netroots since 2007 when she was heckled there.
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 10:15 PM
Jul 2015

She would never have considered attending it this year, no matter what.

Implying that there was some kind of nefarious behind the scenes conspiracy behind the Black Lives Matter demonstration today is not just absurd, it's totally disrepectful to the demonstrators and dismissive of the anger they feel. We may not agree with their choice of how they expressed it, but to try to diminish the very real pain that motivated them by reducing it to an act of politcal rivalry is totally disgusting.

tammywammy

(26,582 posts)
126. +a million
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 01:28 AM
Jul 2015
Implying that there was some kind of nefarious behind the scenes conspiracy behind the Black Lives Matter demonstration today is not just absurd, it's totally disrepectful to the demonstrators and dismissive of the anger they feel. We may not agree with their choice of how they expressed it, but to try to diminish the very real pain that motivated them by reducing it to an act of politcal rivalry is totally disgusting.


Number23

(24,544 posts)
136. "it's totally disrepectful to the demonstrators and dismissive of the anger they feel."
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 04:42 AM
Jul 2015

So glad that there is ONE FUCKING PERSON here who gets it, though I knew unequivocally that one person would not be the OP.

Thank you, scarletwoman.

still_one

(91,946 posts)
31. In 2007, the last time she was at the event she was boo'ed, so it is not surprising that she
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 10:29 PM
Jul 2015

wouldn't show up where the impression they gave her the last time was that she wasn't welcomed

bigtree

(85,915 posts)
13. so, what you are doing here isn't contributing anything to the BLM cause
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 10:06 PM
Jul 2015

...it's merely using their protest to try and put a wedge between readers here and Hillary on behalf of your candidate.

I think this is despicable politics on your part, and most folks here will see this for what it's worth. If not, they should.

You'll not get one more response from me in this campaign on anything.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
18. I have watched the despicable attacks on Bernie Sanders, the Rovian implications
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 10:14 PM
Jul 2015

that were clearly bought and paid for, and since I am very, very familiar with the history of what is known as Netroots Nations and its founders, I am entitled now to express my INFORMED opinion.

What you all have been doing did nothing to help BLM, you all USED them, as they themselves have stated, for political reasons, and I refrained from posting material that people I know in the movement were posting against Hillary.

I was hoping that wiser heads would prevail in Hillary's camp. So emulated Bernie and refused to use what was readily available that was not complimentary to her.

Now I see I was wrong to expect any decency at all from that organization.

Expect a whole lot more from the many people out there who are way more familiar with all this than I am.

I actually, am being very restrained.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
82. I'm sure you do! You never disappoint, I rely on you for confirmation
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 11:38 PM
Jul 2015

I hope you take that as the compliment it was intended to be!

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
14. ...
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 10:08 PM
Jul 2015


Can't help yourself can you?

Someone else said it best:

They need to decide what are their goals, and decide if alienating and exasperating those who support them is a smart strategy.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
22. Didn't you pretend to be a Bernie supporter until people called you out
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 10:16 PM
Jul 2015

on that pretense? I have wanted to ask this for a long time, why did you do that? What was your goal? Frankly when someone engages in such deceptive behavior it is difficult for me to take them seriously. Here's your chance to explain that pretense, or not.

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
28. That's my quote in support of Bernie being taken out of context. I was speaking about BLM chanters
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 10:27 PM
Jul 2015

drowning out Bernie while he was in the middle of a sentence about inequalities in job opportunities between whites and minorities.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
24. Woo is the nasty Rovian attacks on Sanders coming from Hillary's
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 10:17 PM
Jul 2015

camp over the past months. Sorry you find it upsetting when people do not lie down and accept these tactics anymore.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
74. No, Woo is exactly what I said it is. Nasty lies coming from
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 11:23 PM
Jul 2015

Hillary supporters against someone who has gone out of his way NOT to attack her. She needs to reign in her supporters as it is harming her greatly, as woo tends to do.

R B Garr

(16,920 posts)
90. Wait. You made up a story about Hillary's involvement in this.
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 11:54 PM
Jul 2015

Now it's a "nasty lie" to say your contrived story (woo) doesn't sound believable?

Yeah, thanks for the fish.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
19. IN the context of speaking at an African American church, All Lives Matter is a blow-off
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 10:14 PM
Jul 2015

Under other circumstances, it might have just been an extension of a worthy meme.

Kind of like "Men are oppressed too." If it's an instant rejoinder to a discussion of women's issues, it's a blow-off. In a discussion of many layers of oppression, it might be OK.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
25. Yes, and right here on DU, many of her supporters did not get that.
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 10:20 PM
Jul 2015

Now they are claiming to 'care' when in fact they were attacking those who found her remark to be a sign that she was out of touch with a movement that most people who were following it since Ferguson, were aware of.

scarletwoman

(31,893 posts)
26. Hillary was not going to show up no matter what.
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 10:22 PM
Jul 2015

She went to Netroots Nation in 2007, was heckled, and made it clear that she would never attend again.

I don't give a rat's ass about what secret "inside" knowledge you have about Kos, Netroots Nation, or anything else. What happened today had nothing to do with Hillary.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
43. And I don't give a rat's ass what anyone thinks. I was there and I
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 10:41 PM
Jul 2015

can assure you I am being very restrained here. So think what you will, I know that these people play dirty and saw the harm they did to many good Democrats. I will not play the game the Left has played for so long of always being the 'nice guys' who won't 'get down and dirty' the way they do. We have a country to fight for, and that is what I intend to do. I am confident that literally thousands of the people who were around this deceptive org know what I am talking about.

Not too concerned about those who don't

gwheezie

(3,580 posts)
30. You think they won't confront Hillary?
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 10:28 PM
Jul 2015

I'm going to control myself when I say this. Are you saying the movement allowed themselves to be tools of the HRC campaign?
Hillary was not there because she was booed and heckled the last time. If she had gone this time I believe she would have gotten the same response Bernie and Martin did.
Proceed at your own peril if any of the campaigns including Hillary's believes the blm movement is a tool to be used. That is the whole fucking point. Someone is going to address the issues that matter to blm or expect to be called out.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
46. The 'movement' wasn't there. There was a group there and if you have read the emails
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 10:43 PM
Jul 2015

of the leader of that group, then tell me that this person represents that entire movement.

Seemed to me from his emails that he simply hated Bernie Sanders.

Fyi, I have followed the movement since its inception after Ferguson and have come to know many of the people involved over the past year. THIS is NOT their style at all.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
60. Both Tia Oso and Patrisse Cullors were there.
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 11:01 PM
Jul 2015

For someone who has "followed the movement since its inception",it seems you should know who they are and their positions in the "movement".I'd love to see you accuse either one of those women to their face of being trolls or operatives playing at shady politics for profit or whatever other reason you're hinting at.

LuvNewcastle

(16,820 posts)
33. I watched the videos, and it sure looked
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 10:30 PM
Jul 2015

like a setup to me. I don't know if Hillary's people planned it or if it was someone else, but it sure seems like it was planned to go the way it did. They obviously didn't want Bernie or O'Malley to be heard, and the people who were getting up to speak were fools. I'm glad this happened early in the campaign, though. It will give the candidates plenty of time to regroup and learn from this mistake.

still_one

(91,946 posts)
39. This had nothing to do with Hillary. They boo-ed her the last time she attended in 2007. The
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 10:36 PM
Jul 2015

rudeness expressed by some at the event was due to their frustration with what has been occurring to African Americans by law enforcement, and other issues of unequal treatment in this country. They took it out on the candidates that were there as a release of their frustration, not because of some "setup". Also, it didn't represent everyone at the TownHall. Many were listening to what Bernie said and responded accordingly

LuvNewcastle

(16,820 posts)
47. You don't know any more about what happened
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 10:44 PM
Jul 2015

than I do or Sabrina does. I'm just saying that it looked like a planned disruption to me. Who was behind it is anybody's guess, but the moderator sure seemed to be going along with it.

still_one

(91,946 posts)
51. In the videos it sure seemed that way, and you are right I don't know what really happened. Has
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 10:50 PM
Jul 2015

anyone who attended the town hall commented about it on DU? That might be insightful

LuvNewcastle

(16,820 posts)
66. I haven't seen anyone yet.
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 11:08 PM
Jul 2015

A lot of people on DU are just making a lot of conjecture about it, and I don't think anyone here really knows more than you and I do. I watched the videos to see what I thought about it, but I know that's not the same as being there. Hopefully we'll see some articles from reporters who were there and maybe have some inside knowledge. I think, though, that this whole thing will be forgotten in a couple of days. Those disruptors aren't serious people, and really don't deserve any attention.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
36. Bernie doesn't connect with poc, he blows it with black lives matter....
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 10:31 PM
Jul 2015

....so hurry and do a hit piece on Hillary. It's so obvious, it's almost comical...or almost pathetic.

And as usual a bunch of rhetoric without any back up.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
56. Your opinion, considering your participation in spreading false
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 10:57 PM
Jul 2015

claims about a good candidate who represents all that is good about this country with a record to prove it, is of no consequence to me. You lost any credibility you might have to be complaining at this point by participating in those false claims.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
58. And as usual you persist in presenting opinion as if it were fact.
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 10:59 PM
Jul 2015

Most everyone else can tell the difference

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
155. I'm calling out a lie...where is there a threat?
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 11:14 AM
Jul 2015

You could c&p the threat...you won't find one...so perpetuating a Rovian lie doesn't become you. I'd suggest you stop.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
37. I agree with Hillary, all lives matter, none more than others. Hillary has bren a long time
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 10:33 PM
Jul 2015

Advocate of Civil Rights along with a strong advocacy for women's and children's rights worldwide. This is widely known. She will not stop working for anyone, All Lives Matter.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
164. Why would one life matter any more than others? The same complaint the BLM group is complaining
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 12:47 PM
Jul 2015

is issues which happens in the latino group so why is one life any better than the other?

Gman

(24,780 posts)
44. Oh please...
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 10:42 PM
Jul 2015

Just because BLM upstaged Sanders, some anecdotal posts about reactions to Hillary don't mean she's worse. Her support in the AA community is solid.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
111. So is Bernie's and O'Malley's. Bernie supporters have not questioned Hillary's
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 12:30 AM
Jul 2015

support of AAs. HER supporters however have been running around with a Rovian talking point attempting to undermine the solid record, including his participation in the Civil Rights Movement, and claim falsely that Bernie 'doesn't care about AAs'. That is an egregious lie. Nothing like that has been stated by Bernie supporters re Hillary.


I'm assuming, considering this comment, that you have let Hillary's supporters know how you feel about this kind of nasty, deceptive campaigning.

If you have not corrected those false, Rovian tactics, then your comment means nothing.

Gman

(24,780 posts)
134. Please, there was an OP here last week
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 03:47 AM
Jul 2015

About the all white crowd Hillary spoke to. And if some HRC supporters are attacking Sanders' record on civil rights they are wrong and I'll call them out if I see it. And why are we even talking about Hillary? She wasn't there.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
135. That OP was a take off on all the others that were posted here
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 04:02 AM
Jul 2015

from Bernie's events in NH and VT which attempted to claim that since the crowds were mostly white, HE had a problem with minorities. So people got sick of the stupidity and someone posted the Hillary event photos to EMPHASIZE how stupid the Bernie attackers were to try to make something of the fact that in those states the crowds are GOING to be white.

Sick to death of the Rovian tactics. Makes me all the more determined to elect an honest man whose record is beyond reproach on ever important issue we were faced with over the past several decades.

The very fact that Hillary supporters calling themselves Dems would even consider attacking someone who was there during the Civil Rights Movement, and try to attack them based on that, Rovian beyond belief, makes me question who these people really are. It's just plain sickening. Makes me wonder what I am doing here on a forum that is supposed to be a Democratic Forum. The internet it a big place now, so people don't need to be around this kind of thing that we mostly saw on Right Wing forums.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
50. You have a problem with that statement? Or do you just like to play
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 10:49 PM
Jul 2015

with emoticons? I assure you I am being very restrained at this point. Your opinion means zero to me, but the kick is appreciated.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
103. Thanks, now why you don't you go kick my other thread where
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 12:12 AM
Jul 2015

Bernie attracted 12,000 people in a RED STATE tonight, and to think we were told he could not compete in any of the red states!! I hate being right all the time, but I just can't help it!

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
129. Back what up? Were you around when Netroots Nation began, remember what it used
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 01:47 AM
Jul 2015

be called? Remember how misogynistic it was when women were told they could 'win' a 'dinner' with the male FPers?

Remember when the cofounder of DK was indicted and convicted of internet fraud? No?

It would take a book to tell this story and someday someone will probably write it. Me, I'm moving forward now to getting my candidate elected. But I can't unsee what I saw and I am not alone regarding this. Not be a long shot.

All I can say is, Liberal Dem Candidates should avoid NRN.

oasis

(49,150 posts)
59. "Being the decent person" Bernie is, he WOULD immediately dismiss anyone
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 11:00 PM
Jul 2015

On his team who began a smear campaign on any of his opponents based on flimsy evidence.

George II

(67,782 posts)
67. "So is it any wonder that if her campaign was made aware of the planned 'demonstration'......
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 11:09 PM
Jul 2015

.....at Netroots Nation that Hillary decided to not to show up???"

For about the 8 millionth time today, SHE DID NOT SHOW UP BECAUSE SHE HAD A PREVIOUS SPEAKING ENGAGEMENT THAT WAS PLANNED MONTHS AGO!

She attended a very important Dinner/DEMOCRATIC fundraiser in Arkansas, one extremely important to the Arkansas Democratic Party, their biggest fundraiser of the year. You may recall that she has a bit of a political stake in Arkansas?

Now, enough of the vague hints - "I can back up everything I am saying here and MORE" - isn't it time that you start backing it up????

Beacool

(30,244 posts)
70. And I thought that the Right were the only ones pushing conspiracy theories.
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 11:20 PM
Jul 2015

Sigh.........

For the record, ALL lives matter.



Gman

(24,780 posts)
86. And sorry, but this looks pretty shallow
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 11:47 PM
Jul 2015

White progressives alone are not the party, nor are they smarter than anyone else.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
91. K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations!
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 11:55 PM
Jul 2015

Hear me, Bernie supporters. Put this at the top!

" we can expect a lot more of this kind of dirty trick."

Yes we can expect more of the same. Need you ask why? We know them. We know what they are.

 

LeftOfWest

(482 posts)
138. I generally like your posts.
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 04:51 AM
Jul 2015

just not this one.

Or ones. No upside down simile needed. Just intelligence.

Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
141. That's okay
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 07:58 AM
Jul 2015

What this OP is suggesting is absolutely ridiculous, so this is actually the least offensive response.

What I would really like to say in response to this garbage would likely result in a hidden post.

tammywammy

(26,582 posts)
117. Jury results
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 01:00 AM
Jul 2015

On Sat Jul 18, 2015, 11:46 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Lol!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=457776

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

The poster is CLEARLY mocking my reasonable post.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Jul 18, 2015, 11:53 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: c'mon now
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Sorry, No.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Number23

(24,544 posts)
137. GD-P has been a source of some SPECTACULAR fail and GLORIOUS flame outs today.
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 04:45 AM
Jul 2015

Some of this stuff is beyond classic. DU at it's finest, indeed.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
93. I'm not sure what you're saying. Hillary was heckled there, so somehow she aligned with her hecklers
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 11:56 PM
Jul 2015

to pull a political dirty trick on Bernie?

aspirant

(3,533 posts)
119. Something is missing here
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 01:07 AM
Jul 2015

If HRC got heckled in 2007, hasn't attended since because she wasn't running for president and now is, why didn't she attend today?

Remember, she is our rough and tough fighting Champion and she could have shown us the way to handle these bullies and lead us thru any obstacles in her path. This should be a piece of cake for a Grand Champion

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
128. I am in Phoenix and I want to share my thoughts on this.
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 01:41 AM
Jul 2015

I am also bi-racial and fully support BlackLivesMatter.

I support social protests. I love that they did this especially at Netroots Nation. What I didn't like was that both Sanders and O'Malley were more than willing to dialogue, and the protesters would not stop.

I think Sanders handled it better than O'Malley. He was not there to address one issue alone so off the cuff, he spoke truths. O'Malley unfortunately chose to say all lives matter which does piss off those of us who support this. Of course, all lives matter but when a disproportionate amount of young black men and women are being killed by the police, it is important to address that head on.

Sanders spoke more in his later speech about this problem and received a huge round of applause and standing ovation for his statement about holding this police officers fully accountable for their actions. And this crowd was hugely diverse. Hell, some of the early morning protesters were there.

Now was this a setup? I think that Elon James knew this was going to happen and did nothing to warn his fellow organizers of NN that it was coming. So it did broadside them. I think the hosts handled it the worst of all.

I am a bit perplexed why they chose this particular event alone and frankly I would not be at all surprised if the Clinton campaign was involved. People will scream this is a conspiracy theory. Yeah, I fully admit it, and it is simply my informed opinion. But the timing and the way it was done begs some questions.

If and when I see BlackLivesMatter activists at the next Clinton Town Hall protesting and at all six debates disrupting things, then I will believe this was the start of a valid protest movement raising awareness among allies this campaign season. Of course I am an old school activist. I think that attacking your allies instead of your enemies is a rather stupid way of getting your goals met, and it tends to back fire. But hey, like I said, I don't do Post New Left liberalism.

If they are going to do this, then fucking do this. Go to as many Town Halls and protests. Do this with ALL candidates including the queen apparent. Do this at each and every one of the primary debates. Mount a massive protest at the Democratic convention next summer. But if this was it and only it, well, it was poorly planned and executed. It will make them look bad, not the candidates. And it doesn't help Clinton a damned bit. Not after the speech Sanders just gave tonight to close to 12,000 people in Phoenix fucking Arizona!
 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
139. Thank you.
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 06:55 AM
Jul 2015

Pretty much staying out of this fray.
I do think it weird that Obama and Holder are not attacked in this way - they can actually do something. And did not.
Institutional racism can be addressed. Actual racism cannot be legislated away. Anyone who demands that is willfully and calculatedly wrong.

I do believe I will spend most of my available time talking to whoever I can about Bernie, and I will be voting for Bernie, no matter what happens. There are already things that preclude my ever voting for anyone else - and I find it remarkably telling that only Bernie is being demonized here - but I have this thing to say about the Clintons.

I honestly believe that they see the world and all the people in it as opportunity to get Hillary to the White House.
Only an opportunist would make up an elaborate story about being shot at, for instance.
So - no vote from me, and I will be working quite locally, friends and family and acquaintances and even the Jehovah's witness who come to my door. For Bernie. And my "gold standard" for politicians - did they vote for Fast Track, or do they belong to the New Democrat coalition? If so, no vote. If some groups are prepared to throw the baby out with the bathwater, than I will add my little push.

I will be reading LOLCats and then outta here - it is getting ugly and the ugliest are the most predictable.

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
146. +1
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 09:59 AM
Jul 2015

Brave post, thanks, feels right to me. Let's see if they only attack progressives or if they also go after the corporate candidates.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
150. Nucleus of an article there! But it's perfect as is.
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 10:40 AM
Jul 2015

Thanks for taking the time to share your experience. I really appreciate it.

LiberalArkie

(15,686 posts)
152. HRC may have not been involved, but I believe some in her organization was.
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 11:02 AM
Jul 2015

It could have been a 20 year old part timer or a senior advisor. When a major long time politician sees a threat action is taken.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
163. Excellent post, thank you. I agree with everything you said.
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 12:36 PM
Jul 2015

I hope they do the same thing at the Republican debates and at any Hillary event also.

As you said, that would show people who are suspicious of the way it was done, especially since Hillary's campaign has been using a Rovian Talking Point to try to undermine Bernie's long history on Civil Rights, that it was a genuine protest and not politically motivated.

Very good post, it would make a good OP.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
147. How's the saying go? Never attribute to malice ...
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 10:01 AM
Jul 2015
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity, but don't rule out malice


I see a bit of both, myself. I think everyone involved was all too aware of how clever it would be to muck up the talks of O'Malley, and Sanders.

That it just happened the way it did, and with the bizarre interactions of the moderator, was more about incompetence, and lack of thought, imo.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
151. The right hates Hillary. The fringe left hates Hillary...
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 10:51 AM
Jul 2015

and neither minds using innuendo to push their conspiracy theories.

Sid

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
153. Hillary was not invited. That is why she did not show up. And no political campaign
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 11:09 AM
Jul 2015

orchestrated this. It was organized by those active in the Black Lives Matter movement.

Sheesh. It was not a dirty trick. It was not an ATTACK on Bernie or O'Malley.

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
156. 50 million American households watch RT,
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 11:29 AM
Jul 2015

Dr Oz is a great liberal, and Hillary conspired with NRN and BLM to take down Bernie and Mo'M. Super serial! I have proof, but I can't show you.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
160. You sound very upset, Thanks for kicking this thread. And calm down
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 12:13 PM
Jul 2015

everything will be fine! It's just politics and politics is tough sometimes! So relax!

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