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Color Blind=Tone Deaf: A Message to Bernie SandersBY JANE DENEEFE
JULY 20, 2015
I am on the ground in Alabama, an author of two books about the civil rights movement and co-director of an African American history project-- and I can attest, Bernie is losing black support that was already flimsy--I'd give him a C for Netroots Nation, which is generous, and better than O'Malley's F but still not good enough--he sounds like an old white man who was current on race 50 years ago but who is now "colorblind" which equals tone deaf on the state of race relations in this historical moment. This letter is a follow-up to one I wrote the campaign in early June about Bernies approach to race relations.
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Bernie needs to catch up and stay current, because he is sounding too much like the *recipients* of MLK's letter from the Birmingham Jail--out of touch with the fact that black people in this country are in a state of emergency. Bernie is better than this and it is CRUCIAL that he not--through unconscious accident-- deliver talking points that modern-day white supremacists use. For example, suggesting that the BLM protestors wait until after the stump speech registered as an all-too-familiar dismissal of their urgency. It would have been better to improvise immediately by addressing their concerns first. When MLK called out Birminghams white clergy, he wrote: For years now I have heard the word Wait! It rings in the ear of every Negro with piercing familiarity. This Wait has almost always meant Never. We must come to see, with one of our distinguished jurists, that justice too long delayed is justice denied.
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Dallas was a slight improvementbut Sandra Bland et al should be referred to as human beings" or as "citizens who died in police custody not as things like Sandra Bland... I am so worried that Bernie will say something clueless in Alabama, and from what I am seeing, the chances for a race relations gaffe are high. This isn't the time to defend Bernie's past record on race, but to learn from the moment about how to move forward effectively.
Bernie can step up to this moment but he needs to do some serious homework and I will help, given the chance. I am not the most skilled anti-racism educator in the country, not by a long shot, but I am willing to step up if no one else does. Bernie, from his national perch, has access to the best, and he should reach out and learn from them. This is urgent.
https://indypendent.org/2015/07/20/color-blindtone-deaf-message-bernie-sanders
mmonk
(52,589 posts)CountAllVotes
(20,878 posts)Enough is enough.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)I think it's a very constructive piece.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)And until we do, nothing will ever change.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)I'm amazed at how many folks here are burying their heads in the sand when it comes to race.
Then they want blacks to vote for their candidate.
You just can't make this shit up.
Cha
(297,655 posts)let me know how this "harass Black people into supporting Bernie Sanders" campaign is working out for y'all.
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Imani Gandy ?@AngryBlackLady
👉🏾 RT @rodimusprime: If these Bernie Standers knew how many black voters they are losing with these tone deaf Twitter attacks...
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Imani Gandy ?@AngryBlackLady 10m10 minutes ago
Imani Gandy retweeted F*CKIN FAITH
I'll work on creating a list of activists and their Paypal/crowd-funding accounts.
Imani Gandy added,
F*CKIN FAITH @OakFanGirl89
@AngryBlackLady @cypheroftyr WHERE, HOW? I always said once I like was grown & had a debit card I'd contribute.
I want to contribute.
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Imani Gandy ?@AngryBlackLady 12m12 minutes ago
Imani Gandy retweeted Erica Williams
This is stupid. Stop sending me this crap.
Imani Gandy added,
Erica Williams @mbamomof5
@AngryBlackLady @Blklivesmatter #BlackLivesMatter #FeelTheBern #Bernie2016 #SandersforPresident #BernieSoBlack
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Imani Gandy ?@AngryBlackLady 19m19 minutes ago
there isn't but someone should create one... @TLB8275
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Imani Gandy ?@AngryBlackLady 20m20 minutes ago
Also? The white man's google is your friend. If you have a question? Start by asking Google. Google won't judge you. But I might.
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Imani Gandy ?@AngryBlackLady 23m23 minutes ago
If you're white and you don't know how to help or what to do? Saying nothing is always an option. Amplify the voices of the unheard. Listen.
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Imani Gandy ?@AngryBlackLady 23m23 minutes ago
It's a long road to 2016 and if some of you don't start acting right, you're going to get your feelings hurt. Stop acting the fool.
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Imani Gandy ?@AngryBlackLady 25m25 minutes ago
Yo @Awkward_Duck is trying to go to grad school. Help her get there. https://www.crowdrise.com/helprell
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Imani Gandy ?@AngryBlackLady 27m27 minutes ago
I'm old Black and cranky. But I have some money. And I have an audience. So I do what I can. Spread the word. Help a sista out.
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Imani Gandy ?@AngryBlackLady 28m28 minutes ago
And if you don't have money--because not everyone does--retweet their Paypal links. Help them. Because they are helping you.
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Imani Gandy ?@AngryBlackLady 28m28 minutes ago
You talk about how much you admire people and how much you learn from people. Put your money where your mouth is.
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Imani Gandy ?@AngryBlackLady 29m29 minutes ago
You sit on Twitter learning from Black activists and from women of color all day. Pay them. 5 bucks. 10 bucks. 1 buck. Whatever. Help them.
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Imani Gandy ?@AngryBlackLady 30m30 minutes ago
Despite what conservatives say, these Blk activists aren't being bankrolled by Soros or whomever. They're doing it bc it matters. Help them.
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Imani Gandy ?@AngryBlackLady 30m30 minutes ago
And I sent some money to @brownblaze. I'm saying this not for kudos, but to say that you should send some too. Or to any activist. Pay them.
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Imani Gandy ?@AngryBlackLady 31m31 minutes ago
There are too many of us getting killed out there for me to be sitting up in here worried about white people's feelings on Twitter.
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Imani Gandy ?@AngryBlackLady 31m31 minutes ago
I'm proud of all these young Black women who are putting themselves out there every day. And I will stand up for them any time.
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Imani Gandy ?@AngryBlackLady 32m32 minutes ago
Imani Gandy retweeted Flex Luthor Reborn
Precisely! They love protesting the President or the First Lady, but let someone protest St. Bernie...
Imani Gandy added,
Flex Luthor Reborn @ArrogantDemon
@elonjames @AngryBlackLady @dailykos the same sight that applauded every heckling of the current POTUS now has a problem......#TMFRH
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Imani Gandy ?@AngryBlackLady 39m39 minutes ago Emeryville, CA
i'm fairly certain my uterus is about to explode.
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Elon James White ?@elonjames 1h1 hour ago
Elon James White retweeted ☣Samael B. Wolf ☠
Wait. Being unapologetically Black is how I'll get my 15 minutes of Fame? When has that EVER been the case EVER?
Elon James White added,
☣Samael B. Wolf ☠ @SamaelBWolf
@elonjames @GlobalRevLive It says you are desperately looking for your 15 minutes of fame, period.
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Imani Gandy ?@AngryBlackLady 45m45 minutes ago Oakland, CA
right?! dang. RT @libraryyeti: @AngryBlackLady if you count the username you've got a full bingo in that one tweet
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Imani Gandy ?@AngryBlackLady 46m46 minutes ago Oakland, CA
some of y'all must work really hard to be as dense as you are or at least as dense as you appear to be from your tweets to me.
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Imani Gandy ?@AngryBlackLady 47m47 minutes ago Oakland, CA
Lordt. RT @Rachel_Wyss: .@Awkward_Duck @AngryBlackLady Stereotype much?
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Imani Gandy ?@AngryBlackLady 47m47 minutes ago Oakland, CA
✊🏾 RT @Virtuous_Queen_: @DarcyBurner @Awkward_Duck @AngryBlackLady MLK couldn't stand white liberals either and let it be known "en masse"
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Imani Gandy ?@AngryBlackLady 47m47 minutes ago Oakland, CA
Lordt. RT @onlyraceishuman: @AngryBlackLady so you don't want white men following you? Unless we have enough followers? Just clarifying
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Captain Africa ?@See_Say_92 Jul 20
*white supremacy gets exposed*
WP: Heyyyy now. How about a big group hug, huh? All in this together?
BP:
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Captain Africa ?@See_Say_92 Jul 20
We say racism? They say reverse.
We say BLM? They say ALM.
We specify our color? They don't see color.
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Elon James White ?@elonjames 2h2 hours ago
Apparently some of the @dailykos community has had words for me & suggested I be fired. I have some words. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/07/21/1404384/-A-Message-From-Elon-James-White
#NN15
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Imani Gandy ?@AngryBlackLady 1h1 hour ago Oakland, CA
#SayHerName RT @jteeDC: Dashcam video said to show officer threatening Sandra Bland with taser http://mashable.com/2015/07/21/dashcam-video-sandra-bland/#:eyJzIjoidCIsImkiOiJfYnhzdmZmOTdqNzhlM2p6NGxoc3BoXyJ9
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BrownBlaze ?@brownblaze 5h5 hours ago
I wish people like actually cared about activists.
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BrownBlaze ?@brownblaze 5h5 hours ago
Definitely could use a blessing. Putting it out into the universe. PayPal info right here: itsbrownblaze@gmail.com
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Imani Gandy ?@AngryBlackLady 1h1 hour ago Oakland, CA
Imani Gandy retweeted robin
#cancelwhitepeople2015 RT @brownblaze: #ShutUpWhitePerson
Imani Gandy added,
robin @shebloooms
#ashleyyates It may come as a shock but many of us have been battling for civil rights since before you were born incl.@SenSanders
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#000000 ?@Awkward_Duck 2h2 hours ago
Why, white libs, do you feel entitled to our support and gratitude? Cuz u still don't believe we're not property, tbh.
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#000000 ?@Awkward_Duck 2h2 hours ago
Obama, our own skinfolk, gets these righteous critiques on the regular but you think marching w/folk gon' spare ya boy Bern?
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#000000 ?@Awkward_Duck 2h2 hours ago
White liberal are truly showing their hand this week.
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Imani Gandy ?@AngryBlackLady 2h2 hours ago Oakland, CA
ugh. RT @thetrudz: @AngryBlackLady Lonely entitled muthafuckas. And some want to argue with BW specifically; fetishistic fuckery.
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Imani Gandy ?@AngryBlackLady 2h2 hours ago Oakland, CA
LOL. RT @jkarsh: @AngryBlackLady True, but just to be clear, the #NoPants movement is here for you anytime. No questions asked. #VivaImani
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bravenak
(34,648 posts)Raine1967
(11,589 posts)She is quite serious and does not play well with disruptive people.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Raine1967
(11,589 posts)I don't like people messing with her. I consider her a friend.
She says exactly what she means and she is not a force to be messed with.
If I thought for one moment that she gave one F$ck about what is being said her here DU I might show her, but she has bigger and more important things than to worry about all that crap above, bravenak.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I try to keep up with people like here so I know I'm not crazy, and other folks see it too.
seveneyes
(4,631 posts)and "The white man's google is your friend."
Learning something new every day. Wow.
Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #11)
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randys1
(16,286 posts)on the right track even if it is just an optics track.
JaneD
(4 posts)I'm glad you find the piece constructive, but it is true, as someone says somewhere below, that I did not write it to be published and did not mean for it to make the rounds as it has. If I had intended it for the general internet public, I would have phrased several things differently because I AM an avid Bernie supporter. First I wrote it privately to a couple of Bernie's advisers to draw their attention to something I thought they were missing. Then I shared it privately with a couple of friends, and allowed one to post it to his blog. I had no idea how many places would take it up from there. It is true that I have retracted it from The Indypendent and wouldn't mind retracting it everywhere because I it plainly says--it has not been crafted for publication. I realized I allowed it on one blog and therefore it became a part of the out-of-control wild wild web, but nevertheless, it is being shared, always with a new date, without my consent. The widespread misunderstanding of it in comments all over the place prove that it isn't carefully constructed--I have been called a Hillary shill, that I don't know Bernie's record, that I think he should "pander to hecklers" and other silliness, some of it quite hateful. Therefore I do appreciate those who have understood my meaning to be constructive criticism, criticism Bernie appears to have acted on immediately. In recent days he has articulated his understanding of "black lives matter" in a way that is much more on pitch than when he was taken off guard at Netroots Nation. Therefore, this letter about tone deafness is no longer even current.
Also, when I heard a better quality video I heard that he said "names" not "things."
Jane DeNeefe
Huntsville, AL
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Go, Sanders!
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)HFRN
(1,469 posts)CountAllVotes
(20,878 posts)Nail on head!!!!
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)Unless she changed her mind after NRN. She has pro Bernie stuff, even a post about designing Berniecampaign bumperstickers. So this appears to be criticism from a supporter.
She is sincere in her concern so I find this to be a good opinion piece even if I don't wanna hear bad things about who I support. this can only help!
JaneD
(4 posts)Maybe Bernie actually found it helpful because he adjusted right away and has improved steadily--and authentically- all week.
Jane DeNeefe
BeyondGeography
(39,379 posts)Bernie at NRN trying not to be shouted down as Birmingham priest in the 50s telling MLK to wait? No.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)You posting it is disingenuous bullshit though.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Alright....next time I'll check with you before posting so I know what I'm allowed to post and what I'm not allowed to post.
Thank you in advance, board nanny.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)Except maybe yourself. Carry on being classy.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Probably. Hopefully.
Sucks cause I think he did bad (not as bad as it seems either) but is recovering with the black community ( we actually like HIM) while the loudest few of his worst supporters ( ruin everything) run around online harassing black twitter. Sigh. Sad too cause Hillary is not my cup of mint tea.
This will pass soon. Hang in there. There is still plenty of time.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)OK I get that majority of Bernie supporters dislike and even hate her, but to constantly slam it on threads including safe haven ones is ugly.
I'm a Black American. Let the bashing begin .. .
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I'm not a fan but I cannot tear her down constantly. She likes black people and hires them and pays good. I'll live if she wins. I'm tired of getting THREATENED with an HRC presidency. I am not scared of her.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)WOW, I can also note of being threaten as well from Bernie supporters. The feeling is mutual but from different points of view. Oh well. I enjoyed the convo.
Take care.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)He's actually doing better (according to the PPP poll) with AAs that are less politically active (ie not likely primary voters) although he's still substantially underwater even with them.
Its still worth noting that Obama lagged with Hispanic primary voters throughout the entire primary in 2008 (proving that you can't have all the people liking you all the time).
I agree with your assessment of Sanders, unfortunately he probably has left things a bit late. If he laid some foundations earlier on he might be faring better.
Unfortunately there is a fine line between being "authentic" and being "unprepared/unpolished".
Cha
(297,655 posts)you of it.. my bs meter starts going off.
Don'tcha just love random anonymous posters on the internet tellin' you what you can and cannot do, Cali?
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)Clinton cheerleaders right off the cliff. Black lives matter is is more important than any candidates. Your disgusting use of it to prop up your lousy candidate is vomit induciing.
Actually I need to edit that...you're worse.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)The article had nothing to do with Hillary. Nobody is talking about Hillary and this thread has nothing to do with Hillary.
You brought her up.
Your obsession, however, is noted.
Cha
(297,655 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)I haven't even backed a candidate yet, but apparently that doesn't matter. If I don't swear fealty to The Bern, I'm automatically a Hillary supporter.
Although, I did write an email to Joe Biden asking him to run.
Didn't get a response.....yet......
Cha
(297,655 posts)snip//
"Sanders did even worse. Instead of expressing solidarity with the protesters, he talked about his pet issueeconomics. He wasnt in the room, and didnt alter his pitch based on what was happening. What Sanders should have done, when they said Sandra Bland, you say Sandra Bland! said political analyst and Blue Nation Review contributor Goldie Taylor, claiming that a simple show of empathy would have disarmed the protest. "He would have shut down the shutdown!"
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/122329/bernie-sanders-and-martin-omalley-failed-their-blacklivesmatter-test
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Regardless of which version is true, what can't be disputed is that Sanders was incredibly dismissive and cranky towards the protesters. He didn't answer any questions, instead relying on his stump speech about income inequality and leaning on the fact that he marched with Martin Luther King in 1963. At one point he threatened to leave when his boilerplate answers didn't seem to sway the crowd.
The Aftermath
Sanders and O'Malley were both caught flat footed and their campaign teams let them down at Netroots but the reaction to yesterday's events is still unfolding. O'Malley apologized for his "White Lives Matter" comment within minutes of leaving the forum, and then went on to do interviews with prominent black news outlets to clarify his comments.
Bernie Sanders cancelled all of his remaining meetings that afternoon including one that had been promised specifically with Black Lives Matter activists. By Sunday the #BernieSoBlack hashtag started trending on Twitter, with people both chiding Sanders for his claims of black solidarity and crediting him for his work compared to Hillary Clinton."
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/reporters-notebook-sanders-slips-omalley-misses-blacklivesmatter-wins-n394746
#BlackLivesMatter
George II
(67,782 posts).....relying on the fact that he marched with MLK. This is 50 years later, a new generation (actually several generations removed) and a new millennium.
I said this a few days ago, I'm anxious to see how (if) he addresses this at his New Orleans appearance later this week, where the population is ~ 60% black.
Cha
(297,655 posts)Last edited Wed Jul 22, 2015, 12:39 AM - Edit history (1)
on DU and now with the with Protesters at NRN it's exploded all over Black Twitter.
It's obvious sanders fans on DU don't want anything posted about how the Black Twiiterverse feels about Bernie but that's too bad.
They wanna believe it's all about Hillary but I've been behind #BlackLivesMatter long before I was a Hillary Supporter.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)And my comments were specifically directed to these two.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)For the way you've been talking about this. It's not about candidates and to reduce it to that is insulting and cheap and it's no wonder why people have been pissed off at the reaction.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Yet you're the one who brought up Hillary Clinton. You referred to her as a lousy candidate and disparaged another DUer as a "Clinton cheerleader".
Do you even read what you write?
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)It was directed at YOU and the other DUer I responded to. I think you're both disengenuous...I'd say worse but rules you know. Doesn't change in the slightest my support for black lives matter, my anger at people who don't get what it's about or my distaste for Hillary Clinton or people who are trying to use this for her benefit. That was about YOU. I don't like YOU. Is that clear enough?
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)So you claim it's not about the candidates when you say:
But it's OK for you to make it about Hillary because you directed your anger toward DUers that you apparently don't like.
News Flash: You were the very first person in this thread to even mention her name. You made it about her. Clearly you have some kind of chip on your shoulder.
Then you refer to her as a lousy candidate and attack another DUer for being a "Clinton cheerleader".
Your posts are incomprehensible.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)You've bored me into submission.
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)I'm writing this all down and trying to keep up but dangit my Number 2 pencil keeps breaking! The bile and idiocy is coming so fast and so heavy it's impossible to keep up!!!!!!
JaneD
(4 posts)He really makes a good point about posting things without the writer's consent-- you never asked for mine.
BooScout
(10,406 posts)ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)It was targeted at the poster I responded to.
Left coast liberal
(1,138 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)gollygee
(22,336 posts)Indydem
(2,642 posts)To shape his message? WTF!?
All I keep hearing is honest and genuine Sanders (I-VT) is. That all of his rhetoric is the same as it's been for decades.
What will a POC do for him besides be window dressing?
Sanders is, and always has been, a joke. I've just been waiting for the punchline.
#Berniesoblack is it.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)He has a small staff because no one thought he'd get these Huge Crowds and he doesn't have Clintons' Resources with their Multi-Millions and more coming in every day ....along with their connections to the High Roller Black Communities Money and Power from those who Made It.
He's a small donation guy.
Cha
(297,655 posts)him no effin good.
"Sort of. The thing about the Bernie Sanders fans is while they're very obtuse and they don't listen
..they are more polite than the people who just call you the n-word or a racial slur or something. It's more like that passive-aggressive "We're on the same side, man!" where clearly they don't want you to talk about anything that their candidate can do better, but they do want you to just vote for him."
Thanks for the link, Janey http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=463764
Imani Gandy ?@AngryBlackLady
let me know how this "harass Black people into supporting Bernie Sanders" campaign is working out for y'all.
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Imani Gandy ?@AngryBlackLady
👉🏾 RT @rodimusprime: If these Bernie Standers knew how many black voters they are losing with these tone deaf Twitter attacks...
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Senator Tankerbell
(316 posts)but I don't think it's fair to say that all Bernie supporters think or act the same way. There are obviously some who are being condescending or otherwise obnoxious but I don't think it's fair to assume they are representative of the majority of supporters and certainly not of the candidate himself.
Cha
(297,655 posts)those who don't get it and they're showing it in so many ugly ways.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)Especially since Hillary actually did run a racist campaign in 2008, and Sanders has been fighting for civil rights for fifty years, uninterrupted
The pumas were disgusting in 08, and remain so to this day.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Zorra
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is not a good way to make progress on the trail to gaining equality and justice for your oppressed minority.
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)1 "Dude. Did you just shoot yourself in the foot?"
2 "No."
1 "Are you sure? Because your foot is bleeding."
2 "No it's not."
1 "Ok ...... um ..... I'm confused, it looks like you are bleeding."
2 "Why don't you mind your own goddamed business! I know what I am doing."
1 "Whoa, Ok. Whatever dude. ......... I mean .... was it on purpose? I am really confused."
2 "Shut the fuck up. You think you are better than me? Think your way is the only right way?"
1 "Dude. It's nothing like that. I have just never seen anyone put a bullet through their own foot on purpose before."
2 "Well YOU are not ME. So don't try to tell me what to do. You don't know everything."
1 "Uh ..... Ok, whatever."
KoKo
(84,711 posts)What Bernie Sanders REALLY SAID at NET ROOTS NATION that the MAINSTREAM/DISINFO/MEDIA didn't tell you.
Out there in MISINFOLAND...there are folks saying that "Bernie Walked Out..." he got "Testy" ....he didn't Address the "BLM" ...and YET this Video seems to Refute that Interpretation.
to DU's "madfloridian for posting this Video.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)They're not interested.
They're only interested in what they want...period.
And it's always something racist against him.
Disgusting.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Wonder who that benefits.
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)Remember, he started bringing up this topic the day BEFORE the NRN event. And he has been speaking on this topic every day since.
But nobody cares about that. There is a narrative to protect, and actual facts will ruin it.
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)Huh.
ananda
(28,876 posts)This is all so nuts!
.. as if the Reeps think about race at all.
6chars
(3,967 posts)FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)I'm not running for office.
I'm not worried about gotcha's.
What I said made sense.
6chars
(3,967 posts)by implying they should be happy with the choices they have and the actions and words of those choices, and that they should be told this by a white (i am guessing) person.
maybe not - i am new at this.
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)I did imply that more black people (and white people and Asian people, etc. etc. -- anyone not in the 1%) will be well-served by Bernie than by anyone else running (with the possible exception of O'Malley -- don't know much about him).
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,145 posts)was his "deer in the headlights" look and desire to leave the stage. Not very leaderlike. And he may be too old a dog for the fight.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)"If you don't want me here, I'll leave," which seems like a fairly normal reaction.
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,145 posts)Bernie's ability to deal with people who disagree with him and who he desperately need to vote for you require leadership quality too. And I fear the Republicans took note and will see it as his achilles' heel. Others, like me, will take note of this liability as problematic for leadership coupled with being 75 election day 2016.
Plus, there are many critical issues that Bernie hasn't been tested on yet.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)but i'm just saying it was a somewhat normal reaction had he not been a politician who is expected to deal with a situation like this with more finesse. Like if it had been me, I probably would have been somewhat testy, too.
But I agree with you that if he wants to be president, he'll need to develop tougher skin and more patience.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Obama got cheers all over DU for doing that
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,145 posts)all the time. I've never seen him try to get help or deflect. He deals with it. It's a leadership quality that Bernie may lack.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)According to that Suffolk poll last week he only had 2% of AA's. I guess now after the Net Roots incident he's may be in negative territory.
dpatbrown
(368 posts)who Senator Sanders. All types of folks. I run into them all the time. The word will get out. No one can even come close in regards to Sanders' involvement in civil rights over the last fifty years. And it certainly won't hurt when the A.A. community learn that he endorsed Jesse Jackson twice for president. No question the Sanders folks have their work cut out for them. We'll see.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Marching with MLK and endorsing Jessie Jackson is nice for Bernie's historical biography but means jack to those getting beat up by the police on a daily basis.
dpatbrown
(368 posts)many older voters in the A.A. community (the ones who vote the most) who will be impressed with Sanders' past. I'm not convinced that "those getting beat up" will be impressed with any of the candidates.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)In fact the older ones are probably more likely to be Hillary supporters as the First Lady to the "First Black President".
dpatbrown
(368 posts)they are mostly in support of Clinton, now. But I do disagree when you write, "not enough to make a difference". What I have read many times, stats showing those who vote, appears to show a big difference.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)We will see if Sanders and his Campaign expand his policy to be inclusive of the message of #BLACKLIVESMATTER and other people of color.
shadowmayor
(1,325 posts)Cali,
Thanks for the interesting post. It's not pro or anti Bernie or Hillary or anybody in my opinion. It just points out that what happened at the NRN rally was a key learning moment for everybody on this side of the aisle. Protests are meant to be disruptive, to take a message that isn't being heard and shout it out until it is heard. BLM could just as easily tried to let Trump feel their rage, but to what effect? Change from within is difficult. Bernie's bona fides regarding his civil rights background are solid. But, and this is a huge conjunction, when presented with an opportunity to address the grievances and issues thrown into his face, he should be ready to respond. I think this will actually end up being a positive for the Democratic Party as a whole. For too long the minority population is wined and dined during the campaign season, only to be told to sit down in the back of the bus and to just be patient as these things take time. And implicitly they're reminded to shut the hell up.
My friend thought the outburst, while justified was harmful and made it all the easier to disregard the black community. I was stunned. I asked him one simple question: "If it was a group of mostly white veterans screaming for adequate care at the VA who had disrupted the rally, would you be so critical"?
It's early in the primary season. This is a great opportunity to build something positive and effective, rather than degenerate into factions. I see this event bringing more people together in the end.
This could be a very strange election indeed. Folks keep saying that Trump will collapse. What they don't understand, is that he is going after a racist, angry, and fearful base group that doesn't care a whit about establishment republicans and certainly couldn't give two hoots in hell about minority issues. On the democratic side, we have Hillary who is a giant, well-known candidate. Bernie has a steep and long hill to climb. Many in the black, brown, and white communities haven't a clue about Bernie because they won't be paying attention until the summer of 2016. But more and more folks are feeling the Bern!
Stay tuned as they say.
The Shadow Mayor
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)Billsmile
(404 posts)LynneSin
(95,337 posts)Someone will win the nomination, we'll all united together after the nasty spats and we'll defeat the dimwit GOP nominee. We managed to do it even though there were some nasty attacks back in 2008. I think we can manage it again in 2016.
Because in the end whether it's Clinton or Bernie or Biden or any of the other candidate please tell me if any of those GOP choices are a better choice than any of our folks on the Democratic side.
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)If you had to choose between having one limb amputated or two, you'd choose one. It's clearly better than that alternative.
But if you could have kept ALL you limbs that would be a WHOLE lot better still. It would matter a lot.
Saying that we won't get stuck with the worst possibility (assuming we can count on that) is far different from saying it won't matter.
We've been betrayed by Dems in office before. We surely can be again.
So, yes, it matters.
It matters greatly.
Number23
(24,544 posts)are feeling something right now, don't know if it's The Bern but it's DAMN sure something, but when it was noted that he spoke in a smaller ballroom that only sat 400 because he confirmed at "the last minute" does anyone know why he was so late in confirming his appearance?
Was there anything else going on that day that was more important than addressing a group representing an important Dem constituency?
bvf
(6,604 posts)WILL YOU PEOPLE PLEASE GIVE IT A FUCKING REST ALREADY??
/outburst
/bvf
Response to Iliyah (Reply #80)
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Number23
(24,544 posts)economic reform."
Dallas was a slight improvementbut Sandra Bland et al should be referred to as human beings" or as "citizens who died in police custody not as things like Sandra Bland... I am so worried that Bernie will say something clueless in Alabama, and from what I am seeing, the chances for a race relations gaffe are high. This isn't the time to defend Bernie's past record on race, but to learn from the moment about how to move forward effectively.
K&R
""White supremacy is real and should be called out, not swept under the rug of progressive economic
reform-- " ---and seeing you extract it makes me glad this piece wasn't retracted after all---
I fully honor and accept Bernie's long civil rights record, but still maintain that "This isn't the time to defend Bernie's past record on race, but to learn from the moment about how to move forward effectively." I believe he has been moving forward more effectively this week. Do you agree, Number 23?
Jane D.
Number23
(24,544 posts)with his campaign in the last few days.
I am beyond grateful that he has more decency and sense than to listen to his most fervent and insular of supporters, the likes of which have been incoherent in their rage over the "disrespect" shown him by #BLM. He will go nowhere but down in flames listening to these people.
djean111
(14,255 posts)seveneyes
(4,631 posts)How fucking sweet. /plonk
GeorgeGist
(25,323 posts)black Democrats running for President.
greenman3610
(3,947 posts)and Donald Trump."
How many times will we go down this road, Democrats?
grasswire
(50,130 posts)......may influence what People of Color feel about her intentions. It's shameful.
TheFarseer
(9,326 posts)Should he announce $1 million dollars in reparations per black person or would that not go far enough? What if he picked Chris Rock as his VP? I have no idea what people want. Actually I think they want Hillary to win without a challenge and everyone else to shut up and smile. It's not like she kills at the Apollo and is an original member of the Wu Tang clan.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)discounted.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)I'm always for protesting issues, when there is no other recourse to get your views heard by the "PTB." But, the way it is done makes a difference in the minds of those watching. Do we move forward with Dialogue to answer the difficult questions or are those who have the power to do something being dismissive.
Neither O'Malley nor Sanders were Dismissive. The Protestors had the best two people they could have to engage with. And, they chose to shout out over them at a "Candidates Forum." The Ultimate time to Engage.