OK, I'm a Bernie supporter, but Hillary had a fine moment yesterday when she

[CTyankee]

answered that little kid's question about the most important thing in life and she said "love." Then she quoted another very accomplished woman's statement "I've loved and been loved and all the rest is background music."

It was unscripted and just nice. I think we can give her a little credit for that.

[Thinkingabout]

1. It was a great moment.

[daybranch]

88. Romney woud have said same thing, as would Huckaby, Cruz, and every hate spouting minister .

I do however see the wisdom of Hillary posing and answering small children with the non-specific answers to childish questions. It is okay to kiss the babies, but it is certainly not worthy of note. It is just another of that women as victim role she hopes to deflect from her support of oligarchy.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but attacks on Hillary o democratic underground are based on her policies supporting the oligarchy and not on her gender. There was nothing news worthy here, just your need to say it was great speaks loads about her campaign supporters and their need to avoid truth, preferring to engage in good feelings.
Democracy and the fight for democracy is messy and loud. It is championing of views and is particularly noisy and often distressing for bystanders and the in-experienced. But inexperience and un-willlingness to get really involved in analyzing the differences between candidates should not become a habit for a democrat, nor should feel good moments overshadow debate, especially on a site called Democratic underground.

[Sheepshank]

109. well, aren't you just a lovely ray of sunshine...

hope you can try and enjoy the little niceties in life just a little bit.

[Thinkingabout]

116. it was a great moment, she stopped and listened, the young man ask very good questions.

She responded with class, I am surely not avoiding the truth, quiet aware of the issues, I am not inexperienced nor unwilling to get involved in analyzing the differences between candidates, I have stated differences on the candidates many times, will continue to in the future. Yes, she has class, more tah lots of others.

[zappaman]

120. Lol!

Couldn't wait to vomit that out, huh?

[JaneyVee]

127. Can you give examples of supporting the oligarchy?

http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/24583-bernie-sanders-doubles-down-on-f-35-support-days-after-runway-explosion

[JDPriestly]

152. Refusing to say whether she supports the XL pipeline, and her evasive answers on the

trade agreements. She is supporting the oligarchy and knows very well that her views are not supported by the majority of informed Americans.

[passiveporcupine]

181. Did you miss the part where OP said "I'm a Bernie supporter, but...?

[pnwmom]

194. Thanks for your misogynistic post, which effectively demonstrates what HRC is up against.

What she said has absolutely nothing to do with "that women as victim roles she hopes to deflect from her support of oligarchy."

The leap you quickly made from her saying love is fundamental, to "women as victim role" displays your own point of view more than it says anything anything about her.

And since you are a newbie, perhaps you don't know: the name "Democratic Underground" came into being after SCOTUS put Bush into office instead of the rightful Democratic winner of the election, Al Gore. EVERY Democrat then was in the underground. And this site is still open to progressive supporters and to Democrats across the spectrum.

But once the primaries are over, posters are expected to close ranks around the winner. If it happens to be Hillary, then posts like yours will quickly disappear.

[murielm99]

205. Nyah nyah nyah nayh...

Hillary is a poopy-head. The poster just has to throw in some Hillary hate here.

BTW, you are right about one thing...the site is called the Democratic Underground. It is not the Independent Underground. I will support the Democratic candidate, Hillary Clinton. Bernie disdains the party and will not join it. I have no reason to support someone who disdains the party I have worked hard to support for most of my life.

[NCTraveler]

233. " It is just another of that women as victim role she hopes to deflect from her support of oligarchy

"their need to avoid truth, preferring to engage in good feelings. "

Truly sexist comments that should have no place here. I am glad to see you are getting taking to task by some supporters of different candidates.

[katmille]

198. Yes, indeed,

And I 'm a big Hillary supporter. Also, Thinkingabout, I loved Ann. This Austinite had several opportunities to be in her presence. She would be front and center for Hillary!

[Thinkingabout]

210. All the way, I remember her convention speech of Poor George, she did not stutter when she spoke.

[Cosmic Kitten]

2. But no answers or hard choices on Social Security or Keystone XL

Pandering is not what we need.

We need answers to her policy positions!

It's NOT good enough to tell voters
that we need to elect her to find out
who and what she represents.

Platitudes will get you nowhere this election.

[Skinner]

4. Good thing you showed up to inject some much-needed partisanship into a nonpartisan thread.

God forbid any Bernie supporters step out of line and suggest that maybe Hillary is a human being after all.

[Cosmic Kitten]

7. We are ALL human beings.

And some of us need more than
nice words to keep from despair and ruin.

We don't want or need platitudes.

IS Team Hillary TONE DEAF about the plight
of the working poor, elderly and PoC?

BTW, this is posted in the PRIMARIES forum???
Is it not OK to offer opinion and critique
in the forum for just such exchanges?

[Skinner]

11. Apparently team Hillary must be tone deaf.

When she told that little kid something nice about love it was like a big "f-you" to the working poor. Instead, she should have lectured that little kid that the most important thing in life is Keystone XL. That would have totally set the right tone.

[JaneyVee]

48. What about Social Security? She has a 100% rating for protecting it.

[zappaman]

121. Great hide.

The venom is out of control.

[delrem]

128. It isn't a "great hide"

It's the kind of partisan hide that DUers on all sides of the debates have been decrying.

What exactly is "venom" about saying, and repeating, that kissing babies is feel-good platitude/pablum and what's needed are concrete responses re. real issues on war, environment, economic issues. And yes, to all above including the incontrovertible one, that does include a concrete response on Keystone XL (which Hillary *was* avoiding at the same time as she was kissing babies)

Now don't immediately twist this into a "delrem is against kissing babies" spin, because I'm all for politicians kissing babies and Hillary does a good job of it. It's something Jeb can do, something any politician can do, and most do it well.
https://www.google.ca/search?q=romney+kissing+babies&es_sm=122&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0CB0QsARqFQoTCLPH3av0gMcCFYykiAodYfsK3g&biw=1866&bih=1027&dpr=0.9
But that's about as far as I'll go in applauding any particular politician for those feel-good moments.

[zappaman]

134. Great hide since it stopped a poster from vomiting all over this thread.

Disruptive to say the least.

[delrem]

140. Oh dear,

It's following the identical go-to pattern how this wonderful thread has morphed into another "bash Bernie supporters" swarm-a-thon on the part of "Hillary supporters", because a Bernie supporter dared to say that concrete issues like the economy, environment and foreign policy are important and kissing babies is fluff.

Of course a different opinion than yours, and Skinner's, is "venom" and "vomiting" and "disruption". What else could it be?

Anyhow I won't post a "we're being silenced" thread with a pic of a figure representing Cosmic Kitten pinned to the wall by arrows, face contorted in agony, shirt shredded and sweat pouring down, blood streaming from the puncture wounds. That would be a bit too much.

[zappaman]

142. Lol!

[delrem]

151. Medicine for your delicate digestive tract

Not all politicians get these campaign rituals right:



here, another one



and then there's this

For those that put great turkey stock in those kind of things...

[Enthusiast]

223. +100%

[Jester Messiah]

231. Thou shalt not disrupt the circle-jerk. [nt]

[druidity33]

132. That was a terrible hide. nt.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

133. I agree; it was a terrible hide. I would not have voted that way. n/t

[Enthusiast]

224. Me too.

[Rob H.]

200. Agreed, it was a bad hide nt

[Chemisse]

202. I'm not happy that a nice post about Hillary was crapped upon,

But in spite of that sentiment, that looked like a partisan hide to me.

[Agschmid]

213. Yup.

No real TOS violation there.

[Comrade Grumpy]

138. Unjustifiable hide. This is GD:P, not the Hillary Clinton group.

Yeah, the poster was raining on the parade, but still.

EVERYBODY complains about the jury system. And they're right.

[pecwae]

161. Is the parade the point

or is the point the parade? I can't tell who's on whose side any longer. And, yeah, that was a shitty hide.

[George II]

189. I wasn't on the jury, but the post was definitely off topic, GD-P forum or not.

[Cha]

180. Yeah, it's a good hide. You're right.. "the venom is out of control". Glad Skinner posted.

It's not "Team Hillary that's tone deaf".

[zappaman]

182. No reason to crap on a thread when the candidate you aren't supporting does something positive

[Cha]

184. No good reason.. but, we know by now that's their MO.

zappa

It was an Excellent hide!

[zappaman]

185. It was.

I wonder how the poster would like it if it was the other way around.
Of course, if Sanders did what Clinton did, they would be calling for early canonization.

[Jamaal510]

197. It would have

easily made it to the "Greatest" section already if Sanders was the one who did that. As someone who isn't 100% decided yet, I can't help but feel bad about how with Sanders, DUers act as though he's the only person on the Left doing or saying certain things, while with Clinton (and in some cases, Pres. O as well), it's like "damned if she does, damned if she doesn't." When there's a thread about her doing or saying something that progressives generally support, there are still people who have to come on the thread and post snark or talk about how they distrust her.

[zappaman]

201. I'm with you.

[pnwmom]

220. And when Sanders takes a position that's against what most progressives support --

such as voting AGAINST the Brady bill, or FOR the bill that stopped liability lawsuits against gun manufacturers and sellers in all 50 states -- many of his left-wing supporters twist themselves into knots trying to justify his right-wing position.

Why can't they just acknowledge that, like every other politician out there -- like every human being out there -- he isn't perfect?

[840high]

214. No - it's a lousy hide.

[AtomicKitten]

218. It was but reflects the weird psychodrama surrounding the candidate.

Hillary is apparently much too delicate to answer the tough questions.

[Doctor_J]

246. one of my posts was alerted a week or so ago. it survived, but one of the jurors

commented "I always vote to hide Bernie supporters". A rare bit of candor from the swarm

[Demit]

26. Which is what you both just did, "offer opinion and critique"

So It is apparently OK. It would seem that you just don't like your opinion being critiqued.

[Cheese Sandwich]

87. I wouldn't be surprised if the question was planted in the audience

She does that sometimes.

[zappaman]

122. Lol!

[bravenak]

18. No shit. Can't have a feel good moment. Not these days.nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

28. What the world needs now is...

[bravenak]

31. Yes. It sure does.

You are so mellow. That must take skill.

Btw: I cannot stand Republicans. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027021935

[freshwest]

149. 'OMG! That gif! They look joyful! They must be stopped immediately!' That's DU now. n/t

[Brainstormy]

42. Honestly, you're right

and it's why I avoid DU most days now. I can get that hostility and negativity from the repugs.

[bravenak]

44. It's getting bad. Real bad.nt

[leftynyc]

53. If the moderators

would wake up and see that some are obviously right wing trolls trying to cause division within the Democratic party - one who is so freeking obvious on this thread - it would make a better experience for all. This thread - trying to find common ground and bring us together is shit on by OBVIOUS right wingers.

[mopinko]

59. there are no moderators.

it's just us now.
mores the pity.

[leftynyc]

62. Well, with the

jury system being the joke that it is and no moderators (really? No moderators?), I guess you're right.

[mopinko]

72. nope. none.

just mirt cleaning up the disruptors and the guys at the top deciding who gets the gate. which is something they do very, very rarely.

[bravenak]

65. I am also thinking this can't be real.

No way should Democrats hate each other so much.

[Agschmid]

74. This one isn't real, it's easy to tell.

[bravenak]

77. I bet he/she is having a ball.nt

[leftynyc]

105. They don't

That's how I know trolls when I see them. The one on this thread is so freeking obvious, I can't believe it's still here.

[Surya Gayatri]

226. It DOES look like a 'coup monté', as the French say...

a put-up job. The contempt,
condescension, malevolence and malice on daily display at this 'liberal and progressive site' are nothing short of astonishing, not to say alarming.

[bravenak]

229. It feels artificial.

We are all Democrats. No reason for the distilled hatred.

[freshwest]

242. So well expressed, just getting around to telling you. Powerful words there:

The contempt, condescension, malevolence and malice on daily display at this 'liberal and progressive site' are nothing short of astonishing, not to say alarming.

[Surya Gayatri]

244. Thanks for the shout out, freshwest. Sad and mad to log on and discover that the brave

Bravenak has finally been muzzled due to the effects of this same

"contempt, condescension, malevolence and malice".

[zappaman]

123. It is obvious.

Ain't it?

[leftynyc]

126. Has been for a while already

DU used to be a much more pleasant experience. That we allow these OBVIOUS right wing trolls to spread their venom is very disturbing.

[daybranch]

106. Dear Black Person,

I think as a white man, that my best education about what is going on now comes from W.E.B. DuBois book" Black Reconstruction" coupled with Howard Zinn's " A People]s History of The United States". The detail of Du Bois book is unmatched and clearly points out how racism was a weapon the rich applied with greater vehemence after the civil war creating wage slavery amongst the newly freed slaves and poor whites.
I am sure many Black people are more aware of these works than I am, but I believe truly that racism , and sexism are tools necessary for politicians to keep working people from uniting regardless of color or sex. Du Bois book is so illustrative of how much lies, and claims of white superiority can appeal to the naturally poor egos of southern poor whites trapping them like blacks in needy service to their new rich masters, a collaboration of former slave owners and rich northern industrialists wanting to exploit resources of the south.
Zinn's book while not nearly as outrage provoking ( a good thing I believe in this case), provides a longer term view of how this need to separate the poorer classes have been a constant for protection of control and oligarchy from before the revolution until today. Clearly racism and sexism does not serve the society at large, But they are institutionalized and attempts to rid this country of their most blatant and harmful impacts are shut down by the oligarchy controlled Congress and Supreme Court, who err most repeatedly today on the side of the oligarchy of Big Business.
So we white people who remind Black people of who marched with Martin Luther King are trying tomsasy in shorthand we still see abuse and support change. We cannot feel the black pain but we can see it, and we can resist criticizing black voices across a spectrum even as we believe that desire for greater and greater economic inequality in order to feed the greed of the already wealthy and powerful is the basic culprit. We align with black in your local struggles to call attention to police brutality and will help bandaid a system to prevent as much death and destruction as possible. I recognize it is hard to think ahead when you are up to your ass in aligators, butI believe in poisoning the pond is more effective than fighting the alligators one by one.

[BainsBane]

119. Bravenak didn't respond to you

And I can see why. Addressing her as "Dear Black person" is offensive. She has a name here. Then the whitesplaining that follows is also off-putting. Seriously. How can you think such an approach is okay? Your post doesn't even respond to this thread or her posts here.

[JI7]

139. i alerted but it was not hidden

How is that not a hide ? It's not even in a sarcastic way.

And the post he responded to didn't even refer to race.

[BainsBane]

141. I was the first alerter

I know of one other person who also alerted. Here are the results.


On Wed Jul 29, 2015, 04:32 PM you sent an alert on the following post:

Dear Black Person,
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=480545

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

YOUR COMMENTS

"Dear black person" to Bravenak followed by a lesson to her on racism? Oh, please. How condescending can you get. Our members of color deserve better than to be addressed as "Dear Black person."

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Wed Jul 29, 2015, 04:50 PM, and voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT ALONE.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: "Dear Black Person" is the comment being objected to? If you dislike it, tell the person who wrote it. You do "correct" such actions by banning them, You "Correct" such action by pointing out your objection to the person who wrote the term NOT banning him.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: This is a discussion forum, not a podium. When replying to someone specifically, one would be best served not to call them "Black person" before whitesplaining the shit out of them.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I don't know if some Bernie supporters here are trying to make all black people hate Bernie but if they are they are likely doing a fantastic job of it.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you.

[JI7]

144. what a mess

[Sheepshank]

167. so much for the upthread piss and moan about the other hide. n/t

[Cha]

183. "I don't know if some Bernie supporters here are trying to make all black people hate Bernie but if

they are they are likely doing a fantastic job of it."

Juror#6.. Thank you!

Thank you for alerting, Bains.

[Little Star]

232. They're doing a fine job of making plenty of...

white people not like him too.

[Cha]

234. Exactly, Little Star

[Number23]

190. Juror #6 gets it completely. Juror #1 is a boil on the ass of humanity.

[Agschmid]

215. .

[zappaman]

146. Should have been hidden.

Nasty and condescending.

[bravenak]

173. I get so MANY of those posts these days. Unbelievable how much education I need on a daily basis.

[zappaman]

174. It's incredible.

One candidates supporters don't want to listen...at all.
Just lecture.

[Number23]

188. You know as well as I do why that wasn't hidden.

[Cha]

235. Thank you for alerting, too, JI7

[bravenak]

171. This is not the first time I've gotten a Dear Black People letter.

It's fucking bizzarre. I never know WHAT to say. What does one say to shit like that? I think people like trying to shock me.

[BainsBane]

172. I don't know WTF is wrong with people

How anyone can think that is okay. I just do not get it.

[JI7]

136. "Dear Black Person"

WTF ?

[Bobbie Jo]

157. WTF??

[bravenak]

166. See what I mean?

I always get these lectures from white folks who seem to think black people lack the education or intelligence to figure out what is most important in their lives.
We are not on a plantation. You did not save us. We marched for ourselves and YOU joined US.
We are not going to slow down on our fight for each and every life to take up your banner of war against the oligarchy. See, to us, you are a PART of the SYSTEM that oppresses us, whether you like it or not. We do not TRUST you to effect the changes we want, especially since you refuse to see our issues as our primary struggle.
Regardless of the history of racism or the theory that it is just a tool of the one percent, it is OUR REALITY. Day after day we deal with systemic and interpersonal racism. Poor, rich, in between, racism. It affects every day of our lives. We will not see it as 'merely a tool of the oligarchy' since we have to fight EVERYBODY on this issue.

So until we get racism under control, we are not helping you break up the banks and shit and do the economic justice, since racism prevents us from fully participating in economic justice.

[BainsBane]

191. Truthfully, I don't think it extends to all white people.

I found this the other day that made a lot of sense to me.

Ordinary workers won’t rise up against ultras because they take it as given that “the rich get richer.”
But the hopes and dreams of today’s educated class are based on the idea that market capitalism is a meritocracy. The unreachable success of the superrich shreds those dreams.
“I’ve seen it in my research,” says pollster Doug Schoen, who counsels Michael Bloomberg and Hillary Clinton, among others. “If you look at the lower part of the upper class or the upper part of the upper middle class, there’s a great deal of frustration. These are people who assumed that their hard work and conventional ‘success’ would leave them with no worries. It’s the type of rumbling that could lead to political volatility.”
Lower uppers are doctors, accountants, engineers, lawyers. At companies they’re mostly executives above the rank of VP but below the CEO. Their comrades include well-fed members of the media (and even Fortune columnists who earn their living as consultants).
Lower uppers are professionals who by dint of schooling, hard work and luck are living better than 99 percent of the humans who have ever walked the planet. They’re also people who can’t help but notice how many folks with credentials like theirs are living in Gatsby-esque splendor they’ll never enjoy.
http://business.time.com/2009/02/04/the-revolt-of-the-lower-upper-class-begins/

[bravenak]

193. I know.

That makes sense to me too...

[1StrongBlackMan]

203. Damn ...

Lower uppers are professionals who by dint of schooling, hard work and luck are living better than 99 percent of the humans who have ever walked the planet. They’re also people who can’t help but notice how many folks with credentials like theirs are living in Gatsby-esque splendor they’ll never enjoy.

This describes a particular DUer to a tee.

[BainsBane]

204. One?

[1StrongBlackMan]

208. Well ... One came to mind ... IMMEDIATELY! n/t

[bravenak]

170. Sorry. I just HAVE to save this one for my journal. For evidentiary purposes.

106. Dear Black Person,
View profile
I think as a white man, that my best education about what is going on now comes from W.E.B. DuBois book" Black Reconstruction" coupled with Howard Zinn's " A People]s History of The United States". The detail of Du Bois book is unmatched and clearly points out how racism was a weapon the rich applied with greater vehemence after the civil war creating wage slavery amongst the newly freed slaves and poor whites.
I am sure many Black people are more aware of these works than I am, but I believe truly that racism , and sexism are tools necessary for politicians to keep working people from uniting regardless of color or sex. Du Bois book is so illustrative of how much lies, and claims of white superiority can appeal to the naturally poor egos of southern poor whites trapping them like blacks in needy service to their new rich masters, a collaboration of former slave owners and rich northern industrialists wanting to exploit resources of the south.
Zinn's book while not nearly as outrage provoking ( a good thing I believe in this case), provides a longer term view of how this need to separate the poorer classes have been a constant for protection of control and oligarchy from before the revolution until today. Clearly racism and sexism does not serve the society at large, But they are institutionalized and attempts to rid this country of their most blatant and harmful impacts are shut down by the oligarchy controlled Congress and Supreme Court, who err most repeatedly today on the side of the oligarchy of Big Business.
So we white people who remind Black people of who marched with Martin Luther King are trying tomsasy in shorthand we still see abuse and support change. We cannot feel the black pain but we can see it, and we can resist criticizing black voices across a spectrum even as we believe that desire for greater and greater economic inequality in order to feed the greed of the already wealthy and powerful is the basic culprit. We align with black in your local struggles to call attention to police brutality and will help bandaid a system to prevent as much death and destruction as possible. I recognize it is hard to think ahead when you are up to your ass in aligators, butI believe in poisoning the pond is more effective than fighting the alligators one by one.

[zappaman]

175. Once black folks figure out how to use the internet...

They will overwhelmingly support Sanders.

Right now, they don't know what's in their best interests.

for those that are sarcasm challenged.

[bravenak]

176. I bet they really do think that.

[druidity33]

222. As weird as it sounds

i think that poster was trying to connect with you. I didn't see anything directly offensive... just a lot of disjointed ideas and lofty attitudes. Anything particular about that screed that burned your butter?

[bravenak]

228. Calling me 'black person'. It's rude. I have a name.

I never call people I want to connect with 'white person' or 'hey, Asian dude!'. Rubbed me the wrong way. Most call me Brave, Bravenak, Bianca.... Never just 'black person'. Only one person has done that and it was a very bad post. I also hate lectures.

[druidity33]

236. Totally understandable.....

And that's exactly where i thought the offense would lie. But i have to ask this...
How much patience do you have with people who are completely ignorant but are trying to educate themselves? I didn't see that post so much as lecturing as, "here's what i've read and understood from it" (DuBois). Yeah, the post was rambling and tactless... but do you think they were trying to be offensive? I'm not so sure... of course i have no time to educate people on the internet and i imagine you don't either, but building understanding is something i'm interested in and i'm wondering if "we" could have managed it with that poster...

[bravenak]

238. I think I had run out of patience for the month.

I will probably be more receptive in a few months.

[druidity33]

239. Sometimes i feel generous

and am willing to take the time to try and educate. Honestly, i can't type well and that means i just don't have the damn time. Thanks for your efforts here on the Du Bravenak. I look to your posts for perspective and they never fail me. Some of us Bernie fans really do listen to you!

[bravenak]

240. Thank you.

I know what you mean about typing. Stresses me out on a keyboard. I love most Bernie fans and have decided that the worst ones are simply strange. Some of my best DU friends love Bernie. I like him too.

[Surya Gayatri]

227. Dear White Person,

Your run-on, paragraph-lacking rant comes across as contemptuous, condescending and just outright insulting.

DU UNREC.

[Snotcicles]

24. I don't think you should be pointing the partisan interjection, finger.

Nice smear of half your customers.

[bravenak]

37. Jesus.nt

[stevenleser]

45. And some don't get why Bernie's supporters turned you from supporting him to "Undecided"

The comments by a couple of folks here make that crystal clear beyond the specific issues that were involved in your case.

The most innocuous statement by Hillary gets the ugly responses from those folks.

The ironic thing is they think they are supporting Bernie by doing this when they are totally turning people off to his campaign.

[bravenak]

64. I wish they would try to stop each other.

The one in this thread is really over the top. I thought I didn't like Hillary alot, but now I see it may have just been mild discomfort. This stuff is pure hate.

[stevenleser]

67. There are passive rebukes by 4-5 Bernie supporters (including the OP) to the haters

by basically saying they think this was great and a nice moment for Hillary.

The problem is that it's too subtle. The haters don't get it.

[bravenak]

71. Yep. They can't take a hint, I guess.

This will be a long ass primary season.

[stevenleser]

63. No, his comment was spot on. nt

[George II]

86. I never considered myself a "customer".

[zappaman]

124. Yes, how dare he have an opinion.

[Sheepshank]

168. oh for crappin' on a crutch

You said you would put me on ignore... Why the fuck didn't you do it 2 weeks ago? Now i have to see this garbage and all the other crap I might come across. Maybe you need reminding?

[hootinholler]

47. At first I thought you were insulting Bernie supporters

Which surprised me. Then I read what you posted more closely and realized you're not.

I think part of the reaction to your post is that we're so used to insults, we expect them where they sometimes aren't.

[Skinner]

125. I'm sorry if it wasn't clear.

I absolutely did not intend to insult Bernie supporters. I posted my reply above because I appreciated seeing this positive thread about Hillary from a Bernie supporter, but then I was disappointed to see that negative reply.

[hootinholler]

130. It was the step out of line part that I tripped over.

It implies that Bernie Supporters have rules and a way to enforce them to keep everyone in lockstep attack mode. As I'm certain you're aware, it just ain't so.

Now, those Hillary Supporters...

[BooScout]

61. I love you!

[daybranch]

107. Why do we have non-partisan threads on Democratic Underground? Why?

By the way, Bernie supporters have all already stepped out of line. Any conformance we seem to demonstrate is not in any way forced on us except by our support of progressive values and a wish to return our country to the good of our people.
We know Hillary is not the devil incarnate but we also know when you lie down with pigs (oligarchic donors) and you readily state your support in opposition to progressive and populist positions while claiming to be a Progressive, much of their dirt has rubbed off on you. There is only so much room on this site and I see no value of non-partisan threads. This is a place for ideas , debates, and concerns. We have pininterest and other sites available for non-partisan chatter.
Hillary people are either unwittingly or willingly being used to clutter the internet with overstated praise
of Hillary's statements in order to obscure the real and clear choice we have, much as main stream media tries to get us to focus on the most entertaining, outrageous republicans like Cruz and Trump to make Hillary look like some great alternative when in fact both Hillary and the republican clownshow are all really working together to blind the people. We Bernie people and the millenials see this and will speak up louder and louder as our numbers grow and Hillary supporters escape their fascination with a potential woman president and realize Bernie is on our side. Hillary not so much.

[okasha]

195. Puritans are such bores.

[marym625]

115. Wow.

Thanks for this.

[AtomicKitten]

135. Isn't that why you created the new "yeah Hillary" website and the HRC group?

For "ooh'ing and ahh'ing" at stuff like this? Whether you like it or not, and you clearly do not, I think CK has an excellent point and that is that the General Election: Primaries forum is not for fluff but for the clash of primary supporters on policy, ya know, stuff that matters. Fluff belongs in the dedicated groups and, if posted here, you take your chances. It's unfortunate your bias, albeit declared straightup, prevents you from viewing this reasonably and fairly.

[leftynyc]

143. There are many Bernie supporters

that are more than fine. They make their case in an intelligent fashion and I have no beef with them whatsoever. Then there are the Bernie supporters who are simply assholes. I suspect them of being rather obvious right wing trolls just trying to sow dissent among Democrats. There was absolutely no reason for anyone to crap all over this thread. That you think every single post needs to be a fucking battle - between people who are mostly on the same side - is entirely your problem. If you think such disgusting behavior moves anyone's opinion about who to support, you're delusional.

[zappaman]

145. Exactly.

God forbid anyone ever says one thing good about Clinton.
I don't care for her that much, but the vitriol and over the top hate pushes me closer to her everyday.

[msanthrope]

156. Nailed it. nt

[AtomicKitten]

178. Rather hypocritical POV when y'all crap on pro-Bernie threads all the time. <nt>

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[leftynyc]

221. Link to ANY thread

where I've crapped on a Bernie thread. It's NEVER happened. Can't speak for anyone else but you've NEVER seen that behavior from me.

[bravenak]

209. Exactly.nt

[JDPriestly]

155. Skinner, for many of us, this primary is the primary of a lifetime.

It is really important that we consider and discuss all issues.

Hillary is a nice lady. She says nice things, but we need change, and she is avoids questions and answering questions.

We want to see debates so that we can decide for ourselves who to work and vote for.

Hillary supporters are assuming rather imperiously that Hillary will be the candidate and that we will all support her.

I can't support her. She has been wrong on too many issues, too many issues like Iraq that were life or death for hundreds of thousands of people.

I realize that you are a Hillary supporter, and I know that you own this site, but the political decisions we face in this primary are just too important for us to avoid the necessary conflict that will help us discuss the issues and the personalities and decide which candidate is really right for the Democratic Party.

With all due respect, we should not be repressing discussion however heated at this point. It is still very early in the game.

Hillary is not inevitable. She really isn't. She is very vulnerable. Sorry, but that is the fact. Her vulnerability is due to who she is and who is paying for her campaign. She may or may not be the strongest candidate we can pick.

Please give those of us who do not support Hillary a chance to voice our opinions. Thanks.

[Enthusiast]

225. +100%

[L0oniX]

245. ^^^this^^^

If Bernie doesn't win the primary I am done with giving a fuck about politics. I'll turn my back on it all and pay more attention to much more worth while things like my cats and birds and sailing ...and I am not alone.

[Omaha Steve]

177. It happens and doesn't get much attention

I've done two in the last week. The other was on stock buy backs by companies.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141159616

[CTyankee]

5. Like I said, I support Bernie and will vote for him in our state primary.

But my whole point was that there was no way she could anticipate what that kid would ask.

I, too, will hold her feet to the fire on the tough policy issues such as SS or Keystone XL. In no way will I back down from demanding her answers on those and other policy questions. Let 'em rip.

I just give credit where credit is due. It was a nice (and unscripted) moment. That is all I am saying.

[Cosmic Kitten]

8. Hillary's campaign is nothing but political theater

How do you know it was "unscripted"?

So far there is ample evidence that
her handlers are controlling access
and giving out talking point to participants.

Campaign staff DROVE 'ordinary' Iowans to Hillary's first campaign stop - including health care 'lobbyist in training' who was an Obama campaign intern and Biden chauffeur
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3040482/Campaign-staff-DROVE-ordinary-Iowans-Hillary-s-campaign-stop-including-health-care-lobbyist-training-Obama-campaign-intern-Biden-chauffeur.html

Control: Hillary Clinton campaign orders young supporters not to speak with press
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jul/18/hillary-clinton-campaign-orders-young-supporters-n/

[JaneyVee]

49. Just make sure you vote for the 2016 Dem nominee.

[ananda]

100. *This*

The Supreme Court is at stake, and all human rights really.

[AllFieldsRequired]

154. Finally, took a while to get to these two posts of sanity.

[840high]

216. Don't you get tired of posting this?

[Sancho]

10. Ok...just because some keep repeating this meme that is another Hillary bash with no substance...

here's a repeat of another thread. Hillary has a long environmental and international history on working to reign in carbon as an energy source. Bernie has virtually no real experience, so he tosses out "stop the Keystone", but has no plan to deal with the majority of world use of energy. It's complex, and Hillary has already been on the front lines.

"It's NOT good enough to tell voters
that we need to elect her to find out
who and what she represents."

Anyone can easily look up what she has worked on for years. Keystone is a drop in the bucket, and Obama has the choice right now, and Obama has said he would veto the pipeline.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=480175

It's pretty common for members of an existing cabinet to avoid criticizing a sitting President... and I'm sure anyone with a bit of political sense knows that...it was reported on NPR months ago that Obama, Hillary, and even Warren agreed to avoid open attacks on some on-going issues that they had worked on together in the past.

Meanwhile, Keystone is not a done deal, and it has plenty of Democratic supporters. If it can't get past an Obama veto, then being for or against it doesn't matter. Even though it's an obvious target for Bernie (he's not from an energy state, and he's not dealing with a big Vermont chapter of union members whose jobs are energy related). Bernie is typically simplistic. Of course, Hillary also understands that the environmental problems really require an international solution. Links below:

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/afl-cio-urges-approval-of-keystone-xl-pipeline/article/2555805
AFL-CIO urges approval of Keystone XL pipeline

AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka urged the new Republican-controlled Congress and the White House to get together and approve the controversial, long-delayed Keystone XL pipeline project, saying it would boost the economy.

"There are a number of economic issues and job issues that we want them to get done. That happens to be one of them. So the answer is 'yes.' We want to get every jobs issue that we can out and as many jobs created as we can to get the economy going," Trumka said in response to a question about the pipeline during a post-election press conference Wednesday.

It was the firmest statement on the subject that Trumka has made. The AFL-CIO has voiced qualified support for the project in the past but stopped short a full endorsement. Last year, for example, the labor coalition issued a statement supporting pipeline projects in general but did not specifically mention Keystone.

AFL-CIO spokesman Josh Goldstein explained that Trumka's statement "was a 'yes' to Keystone, but there are still a lot conditions we have" relating to project's environmental impact, worker safety and other issues.

Many here on DU remembers that "Ed Shultz was For the Keystone before he was against it!!" Ed's being a bit of a hypocrite on this issue to criticize Hillary, but he's trying to get in his "pro Bernie" shots on the way out the door.

Liberal MSNBC anchor Ed Schultz on Tuesday cheered Barack Obama's veto threat for the Keystone XL pipeline. However, the cable host failed to mention his own previous support for construction. Schultz breathlessly opened his show by announcing, "We start tonight with very important breaking news. President Obama will veto the Keystone XL pipeline. If you voted for this president and you care about climate change, you have to be proud tonight." Dialing up the hyperbole, the anchor cheerleaded, "We still have a lot of power, the progressives do. The President has just cemented his legacy as one of the most pro-environmental presidents in American history." Schultz promoted his own coverage of Keystone, hyping, "We have followed this project nearly every step of the way for almost a year." - See more at: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/scott-whitlock/2015/01/06/ed-schultz-cheers-obamas-veto-threat-forgets-he-supported-keystone#sthash.mBPMg1eZ.dpuf

http://www.nationaljournal.com/energy/here-are-the-9-senate-democrats-who-voted-for-keystone-20150129

Here are the 9 Senate Democrats Who Voted for Keystone

Nine Democrats voted in favor of the legislation. Moderate Democrats such as Mark Warner of Virginia and senators such as Joe Manchin and Heidi Heitkamp who represent energy-rich states crossed party lines to authorize construction of the project, which has been delayed for more than six years.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/energy/here-are-the-28-house-democrats-who-voted-to-approve-the-keystone-xl-pipeline-20150109

January 9, 2015 Twenty-eight Democrats voted with 238 Republicans to authorize construction of the controversial Keystone XL oil-sands pipeline during a House vote on Friday.
Several Democrats who backed Keystone XL Friday are members of the House Blue Dog coalition, a group of Democratic moderates. Coalition Cochairmen Kurt Schrader of Oregon, Jim Cooper of Tennessee, and Jim Costa of California sent a letter to the White House on Thursday urging swift approval of the project.

http://correctrecord.org/hillary-clinton-smart-energy-innovation/

Using excess oil profits to develop new energy technologies. Hillary Clinton proposed getting big oil companies to reinvest some of their excess profits to help reduce American dependence on oil. These investments – combined with the savings gained by repealing tax breaks for oil companies – could have directed $50 billion into a new Strategic Energy Fund geared towards researching and developing smarter energy technologies like more fuel-efficient cars and trucks, and wind and solar power.

http://correctrecord.org/stemming-the-tide-of-climate-change/

Sec. Clinton launched the Climate and Clean Air Coalition, which has 37 countries working to reduce methane emissions.

[Lucky Luciano]

38. How in the world did we go from the OP to here? nt

[JTFrog]

55. Intentionally. This happens when someone decides to be rude and disruptive for no good reason.

Some folks just can't find it in them to let anyone else have anything nice.

Just walk in and plonk.

Mission accomplished.

[stevenleser]

56. The poster in post #2 couldn't allow a nice thread about Hillary to happen. They think that

crapping on this OP helps Bernie somehow.

[Sancho]

66. Because of #2 in the thread....

I'm just responding to the post.

If people want to continually repeat what has been explored and answered, then I guess we have to repeat the answer.

[Lucky Luciano]

69. I guess I just roll my eyes and move on to something else rather than respond.

[Sancho]

75. Many times I do...guess I saw the same thing too many times lately...

there are some ideas that get repeated over and over - and the answers are readily available - even if folks don't like the evidence. People jump in over and over with the same "question" implying some horrible idea about a candidate.

If there's something new on Keystone we should discuss it.

I heard reporters on NPR talking about Obama and Hillary agreeing to not criticize ongoing issues months ago. Warren was mentioned. It was discussed on DU.

TPP, Keystone, the Consumer Finance Protection Bureau, etc. Reporters continue to ask, and Hillary continues to repeat her answer.

There is little doubt that IF something changes and she wants to make a policy statement or change - she will do so.

[ismnotwasm]

111. I understand

And I appreciate your efforts.

[Sheepshank]

169. the same way a Bernie supporter went from the OP to Keystone etc in 2 posts.

its a diversion in order to issue blunt force trauma.

Sancho merely leveled out the playing field a bit.

[BeyondGeography]

17. Who was she pandering to here, the unloved?

[Cosmic Kitten]

23. Shaking Hands and Kissing Babies

[JaneyVee]

58. Go ahead, trash it:

[BainsBane]

117. I consider pandering

Claiming there is something noble about not taking money from Super Pacs when it is in fact illegal to to do. It plays on the ignorance of voters about campaign finance law. I consider pandering making a whole lot of promises that a politician has to know he has no chance of bringing about. I consider invoking the term revolution as a way to get people to vote for him pandering. I consider throwing out the Koch brothers a red meat to his supporters when it fact it is not at all relevant to the subject of migrant labor, which has a 100 yr history in terms of US government policy and agricultural use of that labor.

Hillary Clinton answers questions in terms of what she can actually implement, and doesn't like to make a bunch of empty promises.

Additionally, Clinton since she graduated from college has worked with children's issues, including the Children's Defense Fund. She has a real background on that issue.

The problem is you are entirely uninterested in anything except your rapid dislike for Clinton. We get it.
Big fucking deal. You tell us nothing about Clinton but instead only reveal yourself.

[Jamaal510]

199. +1

[1StrongBlackMan]

206. +1. (Responding here so I won't respond to the "Dear Black Person" post. n/t

[onehandle]

241. Exactly right. nt

[JackInGreen]

22. Cos

I think we can enjoy a moment with kid's and a candidate that's sweet without that at the mo.
I don't like her stand there either, but we can still appreciate the sweetness we see despite it can't we?

[earthside]

40. Oh please.

"Love."

Hillary is as phony as a three dollar bill and as political as a million dollar bill.

"Love" ... but won't answer a direct question about a vital issue.

She is a terrible campaigner and this so well demonstrates why.

[Orrex]

52. Actually, she vowed to destroy THAT CHILD's social security specifically

She chanted something in Aramaic, then sliced her palm with an obsidian blade and spilled her blood upon the Earth to consecrate the vow.

Sounds like she means business.


If Bernie had made such a statement to a child, his acolytes would be weeping at his overwhelming humanity and demanding that he be appointed President for life immediately.

[Bobbie Jo]

150. lol

[OKNancy]

57. Pandering?

Who panders to their audience with pie-in-the-sky things that will never happen?

And "we need to dream, or aspire" doesn't cut it as an answer.
I aspired to be a prima ballerina, but fortunately for me I got real and changed directions.

[Botany]

73. Oh for the love of dog

n/t

[Lil Missy]

76. Someone needs a nap. n/t

[onehandle]

82. One thing at a time. First she needs to answer to that little kid for Vince Foster.

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[JDPriestly]

153. No answers on Social Security?

Any links on that? I want information about that. Thanks.

[ibegurpard]

3. more unscripted moments are exactly what Hillary needs

About everything. For real.

[CTyankee]

6. I agree.

[Cosmic Kitten]

9. NO NO NO, Vote for her first...

Then find out where she stands!

[leftynyc]

25. You have brought

absolutely nothing of value to this thread - you've merely provided more proof that some supporters of some candidates just can't help themselves from bringing more division to DU. Hope you're happy about it.

[Cosmic Kitten]

39. This is an OP designed to tug at heartstrings....

...on the day following her disastrous
Vote for me, then I'll tell you where
I stand on important issues remark.

Her campaign got a boo boo yesterday.

Small child puts a bandaid of "love" on it!
How cute

[leftynyc]

50. And now juvenile emoticons

how pathetically predictable. You DO realize you're behaving exactly as a right wing troll would act - trying to cause division within the Democratic party, don't you? If not, take a step back and try some self awareness. I promise your head wont explode.

[Blue_Adept]

78. Yes, that's what it's designed for

The other billion threads in this forum are designed for all the other areas of each of the candidates. Those that go into every thread like you're doing with this one are exactly what's wrong with trying to have a discussion about things, because it comes across as stomping your feet at exactly the wrong time and place.

[snort]

79. Ignored

[Metric System]

113. This is an OP started by a Sanders supporter that you decided to take a big steaming dump all over.

How cute. Unless you're suggesting the OP is secretly a Hillary supporter posing as a Sanders supporter posing as a sane person.

[CTyankee]

15. I will agree. Bring them on...

[zeemike]

30. The problem is I don't believe they are for real.

When you have a billion dollar campaign with hundreds of hired hands to run it nothing will be unscripted...and that includes children...especialy children.

[ibegurpard]

80. People can usually tell the difference

The ridiculous bible study conversation was so contrived it was cringe worthy. Ditch the obnoxious campaign consultants and let it fly. People want authenticity. You can't fake authenticity. I know it's a cliche but the "just be yourself" advice is more relevant than ever. Did her "baking cookies" and "standing by my man" comments from the early 90s hurt her? Yes but it also showed she is capable of expressing unscripted opinions. She has got to be willing to make those missteps. Her play it safe campaign is hurting her with people whose enthusiasm she needs. Money can only take her so far.

[RufusTFirefly]

81. Yes! Let's assume for a moment that it actually WAS real

The fact is that among people who follow politics closely, HRC has a major perception problem. She's viewed as highly scripted and inauthentic. So in the unlikely event that the above was a genuine moment, it will still be viewed with a huge -- and highly justified -- amount of skepticism.

Lucky for her, most people aren't following her all that closely yet and many who are get their information from fawning or uncritical sources. (Such as the Pravda-like Correct the Record.) In other words, she has a chance to remake herself into a compassionate politician before most people are paying attention to notice the cynical transformation.

Regarding those who just know it was unscripted: I am surprised and disappointed by how naive and media unsophisticated many otherwise discerning, intelligent people are. Periodically, someone will post a heart-tugging "flash mob" that "just happened" and when I point out the production logistics involved in such a maneuver (microphones, multiple camera setups, release forms), I'm treated as though I'd just left a turd in the punch bowl. People want to believe things are real, even when the facts make it abundantly clear that they aren't. The Clinton campaign is so pathologically careful and risk-averse (with good reason) that it strains credulity to suggest that she didn't know this question was coming.

As for love, I believe there is no force greater or more powerful in the universe. It is precisely for that reason that I take exception when people attempt to use it for cynical purposes.

[CTyankee]

85. I agree with your assessment that she comes across as highly scripted and inauthentic.

And to me Bernie is the exact opposite. He has never pandered and is straightforward and absolutely right on the issues that I, as a Democrat, believe in deeply.

I don't think she anticipated this particular question. Once a candidate ventures into a group and lets kids ask questions you never know what you'll get. You take your chances, even if you have a gazillion scripted responses.

My husband is a big supporter of HRC. He knows my feelings on Bernie and I know his feelings on Hillary. And I still sleep with him...

[RufusTFirefly]

98. I'm sincerely happy for you and your husband

Love is indeed a miraculous thing and the oxytocin it frequently triggers has a remarkable ability to smooth out our differences and encourage meaningful connection.

As for Clinton's lack of authenticity, even if she were the most loving and authentic person on the planet (frankly, I can't see how she could be and yet maintain some of her positions), I would still oppose her strongly on matters of policy. That is far and away my objection to her candidacy. Her inauthenticity only makes matters worse.

[CTyankee]

102. while I get your point I have friends who like and will vote for Hillary and it's not a question of

"love" as much as it is being respectful in making your points in political discussions. And listening. I don't have to be married to or be family members with people who will vote differently than I will vote in our Dem primary. I know we'll all get behind our Dem candidate in the General, even as we work our hearts out for our candidates in the primary campaigns...

[zeemike]

147. It's a combination of two fables.

The boy who cried wolf and the emperors new clothes.
The boy who cried wolf for Hillary because even if she was sincere no one now believes it and the emperors new clothes for her followers because they chose not to see the obvious...perhaps blinded by the fight.

And I feel the same way about love as you do.

[AtomicKitten]

212. Very interesting perspective.

It's a combination of two fables.
The boy who cried wolf and the emperors new clothes.
The boy who cried wolf for Hillary because even if she was sincere no one now believes it and...
the emperors new clothes for her followers because they chose not to see the obvious...perhaps blinded by the fight.

[mcar]

12. She was delighted by that child

She answered him very well.

[Cosmic Kitten]

14. Right! What a GREAT photo op

Did she kiss babies too?

[Metric System]

114. Clearly SOMEBODY wasn't loved enough.

[RufusTFirefly]

148. Cheap shot. n/t

[zappaman]

158. Perfectly said. n/t

[TDale313]

16. Yep, it was a very nice moment.

[JackInGreen]

19. And she's entirely

Correct there. That's adorable. Fab moment.

[bravenak]

20. I think it was sweet. I'm a sucker for love.nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

29. ...

[bravenak]

34. Those kids look like my kids. So cute and sweet!

I should take a good pic and post it up tomorrow once I get the youngest back from grandma. You'd like them.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

36. ...

[CTyankee]

35. Yay for love! God, that's sweet...

[George II]

92. But is he going to veto the Keystone Pipeline?

[ananda]

103. And after all the drilling sites he's opened up in places..

.. I always thought were sacrosanct?

This corporate Dem leaning towards big oil is very disturbing,
since it's the Dems who presumably believe in warming
and climate chaos.

[George II]

93. I can't get over how young they all look in that picture.

[DrBulldog]

21. Sure, that was nice . . .

. . . but we don't really need any more "Republican-kum-ba-yah" in the White House, do we?

[loudsue]

27. From another Bernie supporter....you have to give Hillary her due.

I don't agree with a lot of what she has done, but I TOTALLY agree with those things she has done extremely well, and there are many of those.

[CTyankee]

32. I rarely come into this forum because it's already too polarized for me...

but I thought I'd give it a shot after I saw that moment on TV this morning. I try to follow the rules around here...oh, well...

[blackspade]

33. Definately.

[Bluenorthwest]

41. Another Bernie supporter agrees with you, and I was very happy to hear the word 'love' in the place

of the word 'family' which most politicians use and which tends to mean 'All that is important are my wife and my kids, not you and yours, not they and theirs, just me and mine'.

[CTyankee]

43. Our party, despite our differences, is still far and away the more caring and humane.

I can't see Bernie or Martin tearing into HRC on that statement. I think if asked they would give her some credit.

[Agschmid]

51. Yup.

[RufusTFirefly]

46. Hill & Knowlton n/t

[CTyankee]

83. I'm sorry but I didn't get the reference...can you fill me in?

[RufusTFirefly]

94. H & K is a PR firm, noted for scripting reality and shoring up damaged reputations

I'm not suggesting that HRC used H&K, but I get that kind of vibe from this particular moment.

[Cheese Sandwich]

95. Uh yeah it seems fake as hell

[CTyankee]

97. well, I think H & K would advise her to be wary of asking kids to ask her questions...kids can be

very unscripted and can ask plenty of embarrassing questions.

[FlaGranny]

54. As a 15-year "resident"

of DU, all I can say is things never change during election seasons. Those who think things are getting very bad around here - no, they're the same as always. Election seasons always have Democrats and Progressives at each others' throats on a par with Dems vs. Repubs. I don't much like it, but that's the way it is.

By the way - it was a nice moment.

[Cracklin Charlie]

60. Amen, Granny!

I just don't feel the need to trash one good candidate to promote another good candidate. I love Bernie, and I also love Hillary.

The first August of the Presidential primary race can be straight-up crazy town.

[stevenleser]

104. Yup. The last one on the list. You nailed it. nt

[1StrongBlackMan]

207. That was a completely bogus hide. n/t

[stevenleser]

219. Agreed. Nt

[mopinko]

70. nice try cty

i like bernie better, but i think pretty highly of hillary. i'll be proud to work for her if she is the nominee. this was a sweet moment. i think there is a real person under all the protective gear hillary has to wear to leave the house. a good person.
but i am starting to feel like getting in line for a rest from this place. it is just nuts now. once the voting gets underway i may need some body armor.

[CTyankee]

91. Oh, dear, I need to go to my closet and pull out my body armor already...

[MineralMan]

84. A nice break from campaign rhetoric.

Thanks for reporting that. I didn't see it, so yours is how I learned about it. Now, back to the campaign stuff, I guess. Thanks for the momentary nice thing.

[Cheese Sandwich]

89. As if kissing babies is not part of campaign rhetoric

[MineralMan]

90. Whatever you say...

[winter is coming]

96. That was a nice moment. n/t

[ananda]

99. That was very fine.

I don't hate Clinton. In fact I like her very much.

But like you, I do prefer Sanders.

[ismnotwasm]

108. That is really sweet

Thank you for posting

[CTyankee]

118. thanks. it was a good moment for her.

[fadedrose]

110. Past Tense

is not quite what I would have liked. Kind of sounds sad.

I'm 77 in a couple of weeks, and still use the present tense - not just about people, but dogs and cats, birds, some TV programs, lotsa stuff. I love.

No wonder the presidency is so important to her.

[Control-Z]

243. That was so unnecessary

and just plain wrong. Hillary did use the present tense. Then she quoted someone else.

" Then she quoted another very accomplished woman's statement "I've loved and been loved and all the rest is background music.

Your last remark was particularly ugly. You should be ashamed.

[The Second Stone]

112. Yes, that is a nice moment and the people who whine about it remind me of the word

shitheads.

[Vinca]

129. That was a nice moment. A genuine, unscripted moment. Rare for Hillary.

Today, however, I'm reading she's "disturbed" about the Planned Parenthood video. Have her handlers told the videos were edited? That's what's disturbing.

[CTyankee]

162. I thought that she meant she was disturbed by the underhanded way it was

perpetrated on PP staff...

[Vinca]

163. I hope she meant it that way.

[CTyankee]

164. see, this is why we need to check stuff out...there can sometimes be a different read

on a statement.

But, I am sighing...this is why I usually don't come into this forum...stuff gets jumbled up in people's minds...it's getting earlier and earlier in the "season."

[Gothmog]

131. This was a great response

[artislife]

137. Love is the most important

I know she loves very deeply.

[AllFieldsRequired]

159. As hard as some politicians work to convince us otherwise, they are human. They can and do

have unscripted moments like this.

Note it, applaud it, and move on.

[grahamhgreen]

160. Charming:) Lets give love and peace a chance for a change.

[steve2470]

165. I'm a Bernie supporter also but...

some of the acidic responses in this thread do not push me any closer to his campaign. In fact, the opposite. There's plenty of time and bandwidth to make your case in a positive fashion.

Great thread, CTyankee, thanks.

[CTyankee]

179. thanks, and I think Bernie would agree that what Hillary said was just fine...

we're all OK, really...

[Cha]

186. Mahalo for this, CT! I see other Bernie supporters have Rec it, too.. that's really nice.

[zappaman]

187. Agree!

[Cha]

237. ..

[Depaysement]

192. To the Iraqi and Libyan People

"We came, we saw, he died."

So did tens of thousands of others.

With much Love,

Madame Secretary

[AtomicKitten]

211. She's a peach!

[840high]

217. Imagine all that love she feels.

[SunSeeker]

196. Very cool.

[BlueMTexpat]

230. Thanks for the nice post,

CT Yankee!