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Hillary Clinton just released her tax returns, Republicans aren't too happy about it (Original Post) rsexaminer Jul 2015 OP
But you need to find out if one of the secretaries at one of the places they donated to AllFieldsRequired Jul 2015 #1
You noticed. calimary Jul 2015 #50
Thank you, sir. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #2
Wow NJCher Jul 2015 #48
They aren't preachy but Bill is a good ole Southern Baptist and Hillary is a somber Methodist.... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #53
Thank you, rs Cha Jul 2015 #3
Thanks.... George II Jul 2015 #4
K&R ismnotwasm Jul 2015 #5
Wonder how the Hillary haters will spin this? mcar Jul 2015 #6
They haven't made it to this thread yet - give them time wyldwolf Jul 2015 #7
Yep mcar Jul 2015 #8
Really? RobertEarl Jul 2015 #11
+1. Ed Suspicious Jul 2015 #13
Schadenfreude for some, Mudita for me. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #17
You don't people should get rich? Evergreen Emerald Jul 2015 #18
Not by working for the government -- NO!! RobertEarl Jul 2015 #20
Who got rich "working for the government"? Are government workers getting rich? Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #24
What? RobertEarl Jul 2015 #32
You left out a step ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #35
Was just going to post the same thing. Well said. Laser102 Jul 2015 #44
Ditto. Facts are confusing when there is Outrage to be stalked. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #49
Their fortune comes from government employ RobertEarl Jul 2015 #55
Their "fortune" comes from working hard, and........ George II Jul 2015 #58
Not to mention if... RobertEarl Jul 2015 #60
You should look into where "all those speaking fees" wind up going. You may be shocked, but..... George II Jul 2015 #61
Forget it george RobertEarl Jul 2015 #62
You just refuse to recognize reality - I'll do it for you - Bill Clinton gives all of his.... George II Jul 2015 #63
Fame, maybe. Fortune, hardly. George II Jul 2015 #57
Carter made a fairly decent income in retirement dsc Jul 2015 #34
That your best? RobertEarl Jul 2015 #38
He wasn't when he left office dsc Jul 2015 #41
How will they play this? I have to anticipate the following: Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #19
Throw in that they're corporatists, part of the 1%, and they're oligarchs. George II Jul 2015 #23
You got it George! mcar Jul 2015 #29
By George, I think he's got it! Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #45
LOL mcar Jul 2015 #52
The Left-wing Hillary haters or the Right-wing Hillary haters? bluestateguy Jul 2015 #30
I'm thinking both mcar Jul 2015 #33
oh dear. She has grabbed a little oxygen! oldandhappy Jul 2015 #9
On the flip side, I bet Hillary isn't too happy about this turn of events: silvershadow Jul 2015 #10
Why was that locked? Wrong area? artislife Jul 2015 #16
It was off topic, as was the post you responded to. This is about Clinton's Tax Returns. George II Jul 2015 #21
I would say her tax returns are directly related to my post. What a sticky wicket. nt silvershadow Jul 2015 #27
Oh...like a thread never veers from the topic at hand artislife Jul 2015 #56
CNN report quickly passed over the tax rate paid and large donations....never to be mentioned again! Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #12
There we are. This is the republican class-warfare argument. We're just jealous of the rich. Ed Suspicious Jul 2015 #14
It is undeniable that many folks are resentful and jealous of even modest well earned wealth. Is that a new Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #15
+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #39
And for black folk the resentment begins at a much lower level of "wealth", far lower than that EARNED by Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #46
I know ... I can point to a thread to prove it. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #54
The Clintons made their money on their own their own merits/achievements, not their fathers' family ericson00 Jul 2015 #22
100% correct. The stark contrast between the Oligarchs and the Clintons is crystal for anyone not Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #25
What % did Huckaback give? safeinOhio Jul 2015 #26
Looking at it statistically passiveporcupine Jul 2015 #28
I see a pattern... Thor_MN Jul 2015 #36
LOL. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #40
I also see something in the post referred to....someone not completely familiar with "percentages" Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #47
Good for Hillary on this one. Transparency will help her win. jalan48 Jul 2015 #31
GOP has come up with a repsonse Enrique Jul 2015 #37
And DU has come up with a response ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #42
Watch them claim the "charity" was their own foundation. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #43
The tax returns are out there....review them and let us know who their charities are, okay? George II Jul 2015 #59
You don't get it.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2015 #64
Awesome! onecaliberal Jul 2015 #51

AllFieldsRequired

(489 posts)
1. But you need to find out if one of the secretaries at one of the places they donated to
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 05:45 PM
Jul 2015

eats too many donuts and therefore Hillary doesnt care about people with diabetes.

Possible, right?



And I am the one in my circle who is known to not care much for the Clinton's, but around here it is like I am a cheerleader for them compared to some of the shit I read here.

calimary

(80,693 posts)
50. You noticed.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 08:47 PM
Jul 2015

Last edited Fri Jul 31, 2015, 11:02 PM - Edit history (1)

"And I am the one in my circle who is known to not care much for the Clinton's, but around here it is like I am a cheerleader for them compared to some of the shit I read here."

Kinda hard not to notice the utter savagery toward HRC. It's gotten pretty nasty around here lately. Some complain about similar hostilities voiced toward Bernie Sanders but I sure haven't seen much of that, AT ALL. Seriously, there's no comparison! The criticism of Hillary Clinton around here just rains down, nonstop, as though it were round-the-clock, years-long monsoon season. It's probably because Hillary supporters are vastly outnumbered here. Bernie Sanders definitely rules the DU.

And evidently others have noticed the same thing - elsewhere beyond just DU:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lorraine-devon-wilke/bernie-bullying-and-other_b_7908216.html

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,704 posts)
2. Thank you, sir.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 05:57 PM
Jul 2015
The tax returns show that the Clintons gave more than 10 percent of their income to charity, more than three times the amount given by Bush, was averaged 3.1 percent in donations over the last seven years.



Make an offering of ten percent, a tithe, of all the produce which grows in your fields year after year.

-Deuteronomy 14-22



NJCher

(35,422 posts)
48. Wow
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 08:44 PM
Jul 2015

The Clintons don't even make a big deal about being Christians, yet they do the 10 per cent thing without making a BFD about it, while the bushes barely scratch out a contribution.

This just says it all about the difference in republicans and Democrats.


Cher

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
11. Really?
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 07:02 PM
Jul 2015

Yall are worried that someone might spin this?

Ok, here ya go: It must be nice to work for the government and become so damn rich.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
20. Not by working for the government -- NO!!
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 07:33 PM
Jul 2015

Jimmy Carter is in the news talking about how corrupt the government is by being bought by the rich to do the riches' bidding. I stand with Carter.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
24. Who got rich "working for the government"? Are government workers getting rich?
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 07:38 PM
Jul 2015

You should start a thread pointing out all the folks who got rich as salaried civil or public servants!

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
32. What?
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 07:48 PM
Jul 2015

Bill Clinton was a governor and then president.

Hillary was First lady and then a US senator, then SoS.

Both have reaped their fame and fortune from being government employees.

99% of government workers do not get rich.

I am finding the fact that such basic information has to be argued on DU to be quite disconcerting. It's as if the Clinton's were royals and we are living in Old England.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
35. You left out a step ...
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 08:02 PM
Jul 2015
Bill Clinton was a governor and then president.

Hillary was First lady and then a US senator, then SoS.

And in between, Bill and Hillary leaving the White House and Hillary becoming A Senator (i.e., while NOT in government service) ... THAT is when they got rich. And, Bill just increased the cash flow.

Both have reaped their fame and but not their fortune from being government employees.


There, fixed it.
 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
55. Their fortune comes from government employ
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 09:20 PM
Jul 2015

SoS has more than a little influence on how American corporations do business around the world. The main pot of money the Clintons amassed has been since Hillary was SoS.

The willful blindness some of you show is damned disgusting. Good thing yall are not Bernie supporters, it would make us look bad.

George II

(67,782 posts)
58. Their "fortune" comes from working hard, and........
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 09:35 PM
Jul 2015

.....as to your final point, Sanders followers do a good enough job on their own making themselves look bad.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
60. Not to mention if...
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 09:39 PM
Jul 2015

If Hillary becomes president all those speaking fees will be a good investment for those who could afford to take a chance on that.

Hillary, the best president money can buy! I say hell'o'no!

George II

(67,782 posts)
61. You should look into where "all those speaking fees" wind up going. You may be shocked, but.....
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 09:40 PM
Jul 2015

.....I wasn't.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
62. Forget it george
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 09:46 PM
Jul 2015

You and I really have nothing to discuss. Your blindness to anything the Clintons may do wrong is too dark.

George II

(67,782 posts)
63. You just refuse to recognize reality - I'll do it for you - Bill Clinton gives all of his....
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 09:48 PM
Jul 2015

....speaking fees to the foundation.

Of course he's a Clinton and a Democrat, so that's bad.

dsc

(52,129 posts)
34. Carter made a fairly decent income in retirement
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 07:58 PM
Jul 2015

and I think being a former President helped his book sales (the main way he has made his income).

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
38. That your best?
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 08:05 PM
Jul 2015

Take a dig at Carter just to buck up the Clintons?

Fairly decent income versus becoming 1%ers is a huge difference. Besides that you won't find Carter partying with the bushies.

And.... Carter was a millionaire before becoming President.

dsc

(52,129 posts)
41. He wasn't when he left office
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 08:10 PM
Jul 2015

He was in deep financial trouble and yes, his income was at least 500k a year post President and when we discussed the AFT leadership people on your side were quick to point out that was the 1% so either it is or it isn't. Take your pick.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
19. How will they play this? I have to anticipate the following:
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 07:31 PM
Jul 2015

What will happen here goes something like this:

I see that the Clinton's have got something, in this case hard earned wealth over 50 years of hard work and cashing in on their educational sacrifices early in life.

I see that I do not have that much money and hence feel inferior to the Clinton's.

I justify this by making it unfair that the Clinton's have so much and I so little - I am a victim.

This makes the Clinton's the 'bad guys'.

I can now legitimately dislike the Clinton's.

oldandhappy

(6,719 posts)
9. oh dear. She has grabbed a little oxygen!
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 06:53 PM
Jul 2015

This will take up some talk time prior to the first debate. Good for her!

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
16. Why was that locked? Wrong area?
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 07:23 PM
Jul 2015

One thing from that is true.

The average Joe cannot relate to her USB personal agreement.

Oh the wealthy, they have such hard times protecting their monies.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
56. Oh...like a thread never veers from the topic at hand
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 09:24 PM
Jul 2015

Heh.

Taxes have to do with income and "protecting" that income is fair game, I say.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
12. CNN report quickly passed over the tax rate paid and large donations....never to be mentioned again!
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 07:07 PM
Jul 2015

Then Clinton's have shown one of the many pathways to the American Dream, education, good choices, hard work, voluntary work, more hard work....and success.

Anyone resenting this earned wealth are just seeing green.

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
14. There we are. This is the republican class-warfare argument. We're just jealous of the rich.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 07:17 PM
Jul 2015

Envy is a mortal sin. Being filthy stinking rich and donating 10% while getting a nice tax break on said donation. That's an entirely other thing. The poors are just envious. Can't they be satisfied with their cake?

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
15. It is undeniable that many folks are resentful and jealous of even modest well earned wealth. Is that a new
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 07:19 PM
Jul 2015

thought or observation, because I would think that common knowledge?

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
39. +1 ...
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 08:07 PM
Jul 2015
It is undeniable that many folks are resentful and jealous of even modest well earned wealth.


It just drips, sometimes. Doesn't it?

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
46. And for black folk the resentment begins at a much lower level of "wealth", far lower than that EARNED by
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 08:39 PM
Jul 2015

the Clintons, from my experience.

 

ericson00

(2,707 posts)
22. The Clintons made their money on their own their own merits/achievements, not their fathers' family
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 07:35 PM
Jul 2015

cough Bush & Trump cough cough.

The Clintons are the American dream: the Bushes and the Donald are the plutocratic dream.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
25. 100% correct. The stark contrast between the Oligarchs and the Clintons is crystal for anyone not
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 07:40 PM
Jul 2015

wearing foggy glasses.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
28. Looking at it statistically
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 07:46 PM
Jul 2015
Clinton released seven years of tax returns, covering 2007-2014

According to the tax returns, the Clintons paid an average tax rate of 35.6 percent

Since 2007, the Clintons have paid $43.8 million in taxes, on pace with what was in Jeb Bush's tax release earlier this year.

Clinton's 35.7 percent tax rate is more than double of what Mitt Romney paid, 14.1 percent, when he disclosed his tax returns in 2012

and more than the 19.6 percent that President Obama paid last year.


Does anyone who understands statistics see a pattern here?

Note, that Clinton's big money came after they were out of office, not while Bill was POTUS.
Note that they are comparing average tax rates of seven years to tax rates of one year in several instances here.
Note that they are not comparing income rates, only tax rates, which should be higher for higher incomes.

Not saying that this isn't good news for Clinton, but why not show it straight instead of playing with the statistics to make them look better?
 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
64. You don't get it....
Sat Aug 1, 2015, 01:21 AM
Aug 2015

IT DOESN'T MATTER.

Haters on FOX "News" are going to claim it knowing their followers are not going to look for themselves.

onecaliberal

(32,471 posts)
51. Awesome!
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 08:51 PM
Jul 2015

Way to go. Not her biggest fan, but this doesn't surprise me. I know the Clinton's are very charitable. It's one of the things I admire them for.

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