Speaking of using full quotes. The devil is often in the details... (Clinton BLM)

[Bonobo]

4 days ago, a Hillary supporter provided the following as an "accurate" quote of what Hillary said. But take careful not of what was removed intentionally and how it changes the tone completely.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251533482

"Respectfully, if that is your position, then I will talk only to white people about how we are going to deal with the very real problems," Clinton replied.

Now here is the ACTUAL transcript.... I think people are worried about how bad this really was and are trying to fling enough bullshit on top of this so the turd will be indistinguishable.

JULIUS JONES: And then, we are also, respectfully, respectfully—

JULIUS JONES: Respectfully, the piece that’s most important—and I stand here in your space, and I say this as respectfully as I can—but if you don’t tell black people what we need to do, then we won’t tell you all what you need to do. Right?

HILLARY CLINTON: I’m not telling you; I’m just telling you to tell me.

JULIUS JONES: What I mean to say is that this is, and has always been, a white problem of violence. It’s not—there’s not much that we can do to stop the violence against us.

HILLARY CLINTON: Well, if that is the—

JULIUS JONES: And it’s a conversation and a pushback.

HILLARY CLINTON: OK, I understand. I understand what you’re saying.

JULIUS JONES: And then, we are also, respectfully, respectfully—

HILLARY CLINTON: Yeah, well, respectfully, if that is your position, then I will talk only to white people about how we are going to deal with a very real problem.

JULIUS JONES: That’s not what I mean. That’s not what I mean. That’s not what I mean.

HILLARY CLINTON: Well—

JULIUS JONES: But like, what I’m saying is you—what you just said was a form of victim blaming. Right? You were saying that what the Black Lives Matter movement—

That is an enormous change in tone. To begin with "respectfully" or to begin with "Yeah, well..." and then parrot the word "respectfully" back at the speaker.

[Metric System]

1. You forgot to include the BLM member's quote which gives context to her response.

[Bonobo]

2. Let me add it! nt

[hootinholler]

55. You forgot the dismissive MmmmHmmms

Those totally were tone setters.

[hrmjustin]

3. What point are you trying to make?

[Bonobo]

5. That she was dismissive and obnoxious and talked over them. nt

[hrmjustin]

6. I don't think so. I think you want to see that.

[jfern]

8. Just imagine Bernie Sanders acted like that

To some polite BLM activists.

[hrmjustin]

10. I think she was fine. Always room for improvement but she was fine.

[jfern]

12. Sanders would be attacked like crazy for this

Because it would reinforce the bogus narrative that he's somehow bad on racial issues.

[hrmjustin]

15. I don't think so.

[jfern]

17. So you agree that Sanders is fine on racial issues then?

[hrmjustin]

18. I never thought different.

[Luminous Animal]

26. Really. If Bernie had repeatedly pointed his finger toward's a black man's chest and stated

he would only talk to white people…

[Bonobo]

28. How about a black woman?

There was gender politics at play in this as well. Subtle but there.

If a White man had gotten like that with a Black woman, there would have been HELL to pay.

OTOH, White woman being forceful with a Black man is a completely different dynamic.

Let's not be naive here.

[Luminous Animal]

36. I was looking from a perspective of any white person and I should have said person

but you are right.

So I will rephrase here. A white person aggressively jabbing their finger towards a black persons chest and lecturing to them what they should do to make that white person more self-aware (because that was and is the issue… Hillary has not and did not take PERSONAL responsibly) of her personal responsibly for promoting and lobbying for a bill that was surely going to put black people in jail… is, you know, not cool.

Also, not cool, is her suggestion that people who have meager resources come up with and advertising campaign. As if she does not have millions to do so and a staff of thousands to make it so.

[noiretextatique]

67. Yes...he would be. We know that because he has been

Attacked for a lot less. QUEEN BEE gets a pass though.

[cui bono]

47. Julius Jones doesn't think so. Are you saying the BLM activist who was in the discussion with her

is wrong? So PoC don't know when the white person is being "fine" with them?

[Bonobo]

11. Yes, I did want to see it. And I wasn't disappointed either.

She was worse than I could have hoped for.

[hrmjustin]

13. Well your opinion but she made the point of meeting with them.

[JDPriestly]

44. Bernie also met with BLM.

If you listen to his speeches, he not only addresses BLM issues and makes an unequivocal commitment to reform the justice system to stop the violence and excessive imprisonments, but his campaign press secretary, Symone Sanders starts the rallies with a speech that emphasizes BLM issues. The crowds go wild in support for the BLM issues.

Just listen to his speeches in South Carolina, for example.

[cui bono]

48. After keeping them out of the actual event.

And then she tried to tell them what to do which resulted in Jones telling her she was "victim blaming".

[Luminous Animal]

14. She 100% interrupted. When someone is speaking and speak over them?

[Bonobo]

24. She filibustered the last minute or so.

And after her one-sided preaching was done, they were ushered out.

[ALBliberal]

4. I think they both are bad but the actual quote shows her giving

more attitude. I just can't believe she talked to him that way. And they dare say Bernie and O'Malley flubbed their surprise protests? How can this be spun as a good and thoughtful response?

[jfern]

7. And this was a meeting scheduled

after Sanders' surprise shutdowns. The double standard is ridiculous.

[Luminous Animal]

9. Aaaand she cut him off. So much for listening. He didn't pay his $2700.00

And according to this OP not listening to Black Lives Matter is A-Okay because "they" are not the audience.

""What the commentators and the BLM activists are missing is that they aren’t the important audience"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=540487

[ALBliberal]

22. Mind Boggling. The attacks on Sanders for passively allowing BLM to take over

His speeches. Can you IMAGINE if HRC had been confronted in the same way what her reaction would be? If this quote makes it around the AA community it will be a bad thing for the HRC campaign. Borders on Romney's 47% remark.

[HappyPlace]

16. Bad looking on paper, and with her gestures and tone it's devastating.

Watch her head nodding, defensive and totally inappropriate contrasting with his cool and calm demeanor.

[Bonobo]

20. That is the head nodding of a person imitating how humans listen but who is NOT listening at all.

It signals tremendous impatience and irritation and arrogance.

[HappyPlace]

32. Exactly.

.

The nodding speaker THINKS that their gesture says "yes I see", but it really indicates, "I already know what I'm going to say so hurry up and finish so I can say it."

And then she uses his sincere "respectfully" as an insincere snotty comeback.

I am appalled, but not surprised.

[LovingA2andMI]

40. The Finger Pointing...

Way over the top. WAY OVER.....

[oasis]

19. If anyone expected Hillary to "bow down" forget it. Not to

Congressional investigative panels, not to BLM not to nobody. Her "tone" bothered you? gimme a break.

Hill gave as good as she got from the BLM folks. They achieved some measure of understanding, which was most important.

[Bonobo]

21. "Hill gave as good as she got from the BLM folks" -Ah yes, shades of Sista Soulja. nt

[oasis]

23. Shades of whoever you want. Hill took the time to listen

To their concerns. They (together) moved the issue forward in a positive way.

[ALBliberal]

25. You say "if anyone expected Hill to bow down forget it". Are you implying

That asking Senator Sanders to bow down was somehow ok? Because I found it very rude that BLM Seattle would disrespect Bernie with that kind of language. I don't think either candidate deserves that sort of treatment.

[oasis]

30. "bow down" is/was in the BLM playbook. Hill's not going for it.

That's it.

[Bonobo]

34. You only have a small grasp of what it meant.

And no, it is NOT in their playbook. That woman was not even a real BLM member. She was a Christian whackjob who most likely hates Jews.

[LovingA2andMI]

41. You would be talking about Marissa...

"I had a Sarah Palin Button on my Backpack" Johnson.

Amazingly some so-called "Things of All Things Blackness" host had Sarah Johnson...OOPS....Marissa Johnson on their show. The response was softball questions and laughs during the interview.

Marissa would NOT have gotten the same softballs or laughs on our podcast. In fact, she would have got the interrogation treatment, instead.

Would post a link for our podcast challenge to get Marissa to come on but for the sake of this post --- and trying to stay on DU, we won't. It's on Soundcloud under the name in the sig if folks want to look it up.

[Bonobo]

43. I will look you up! nt

[LovingA2andMI]

45. Thanks!

It was quite a treat of a show and it appears looking our Soundcloud plus podcast feed numbers, plenty of folks caught the archive file. Although Marissa did not live up to the challenge nor the "Things of All Things Blackness" hosts, we had so much fun with that podcast. So much fun indeed.

[ALBliberal]

35. Neither did Bernie Sanders. He was gracious and non combative in a highly stressful surprise protest

[Bonobo]

31. It was beyond rude. Coming from a staunch Christian, we Jews know what it meant.

It meant, "Jews, you have not yet admitted that Jesus is the Messiah you say you are waiting for. Repent!"

It is not anything new to us because we have all, or most, been attacked personally with this very thing.

[RufusTFirefly]

27. Why do you love the Donald and hate America, Bonobo?

[Bonobo]

29. In all honesty, I think it's the accent that won me over. nt

[RufusTFirefly]

33. The best authenticity money can buy

nod, nod, nod

[Old Crow]

37. My two cents...

You can argue about tone, and gestures, body language, and intent until the cows come home and there will never be a consensus. Hillary fans will say she did great; others will say she performed poorly.

At the end of the day, what matters is POLICY and ISSUES. BLM dropped the ball at this meeting by not having any specific requests. If the issue they wanted to address was the mass incarceration of blacks in this country--and I'm all for addressing that, I think it's a national disgrace--they should have asked Hillary to renounce her association with the Prisons-for-Profit industry and pledge to return the contributions made to her campaign by private prison corporations.

As it was, they wanted her, basically, to emote; to express contrition and empathy. Well, no problemo: politicians excel at that. Her husband, after all, was the master of "Feeling Our Pain." From that standpoint, I thought Hillary's performance was solid: she said the right words while promising nothing whatsoever.

My two cents. Flame away if you must; I can take it.

[BeanMusical]

38. Kick and R

[Kip Humphrey]

39. I remember Bernie was accused of schooling BLM. Then Hillary. The Bernie schooling charge vanished.

[jfern]

49. This is why Hillary tries to avoid talking to normal people

And she wanted even fewer debates than the 6 the DNC said was the fewest they could get away with.

[zeemike]

42. I just watched it for the first time today in the post you referred too.

And for what it is worth what I noticed is the body language....she stood with hands folded in front of her in a defensive posture and continuously nodded her head and said uh hu...she was not listening and was just waiting to talk...and her aid tried to speed it up.

The OP it was in portrayed it as something wonderful...I almost fell out of my chair.

[HappyPlace]

46. It's her "defining moment"....

Did you mean this OP?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=540487

[cui bono]

50. Where are all the people who were outraged, OUTRAGED I tells ya, at Bernie over BLM incidents?

I guess IOKIYAHRC.

[Warren DeMontague]

51. I don't see how one can watch that video and think she did some sort of great job.

It was painful.

[Bonobo]

52. I don't either. It's like Bizarro World.

Sanders respectfully lets BLM speak after being verbally abused and almost physically threatened, and he is attacked for being A) Tone deaf or B) TOO submissive.

Hillary is spoken to in hushed tones of reverence and she snaps and lectures and dismisses, and this is a "defining moment"???

People are strange when you're a stranger...

[Warren DeMontague]

53. I remember when the Star Wars prequels came out.

Some people wanted so badly for them to live up to their expectations, they sort of ignored all the obvious problems. Hell, I may have even done that a bit.

our desire to see something a certain way when we are emotionally invested in it....


But in retrospect, the problems are pretty obvious.

[Bonobo]

54. Yeah.

No one wanted to see Darth Vader as a kid.

That was fucked up.

[magical thyme]

65. oh, but it was a "defining moment"

I have no doubt that we finally saw the real, authentic Hillary.

I suspect that initial interruption before she started to speak was a last-ditch, desperate attempt to stall long enough to end the meeting, or even to provoke an outburst by the BLM reps.

[sufrommich]

56. Are you denying that some people were using "I'll only

talk to white people" out of context or with no context at all? Have you seen anyone from BLM make the same accusation?

[Bonobo]

57. I'm not denying it. Are you denying removing the "Yeah, well" in front of "respectfully"?

You changed the tone of the quote with that little edit.

Did you know that?

[sufrommich]

58. My OP wasn't about the whole exchange,it was about

posters using that out of context quote disingenuously. I'll ask you again,did anyone from BLM make the same accusation about her meaning?

[Bonobo]

59. I answered your question. Now answer mine.

Did you intentionally remove the "Yeah, well" in order to change the tone?

[sufrommich]

60. What are you talking about. You intentionally

mischaracterized my OP and now you want to change the subject.Hillary did not suggest that she "would only talk to white people" because BLM made her angry,which is what posters were disingenuously suggesting.That's what my OP was about.Stop trying to make it something it wasn't.If Hillary had really made such a claim out of anger at BLM,it would be splashed all over the news as opposed to limited to some white dude who seems to be speaking for BLM on DU.

[Bonobo]

61. That's a lot of duck.

You altered the quote. I'm asking if you did it because you knew the full quote sounded bad and needed softening.

Simple question.

[sufrommich]

62. If the "whole quote sounded bad" where is the outrage

from the black community about the quote? Show me some non right wing links,because those are the only ones making the same claims that you are defending here:
https://www.google.com/search?q=%22I%27ll+only+talk+to+white+people%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8


I'm going to leave my original OP here too so others can see it's original intent and judge for themselves:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251533482

[Bonobo]

63. You just keep dodging the question. I guess I give up. nt

[magical thyme]

64. 2 things missing that can only be seen and heard: the shocking (to me) tone

of voice at the critical juncture, and the equally shocking (to me) finger pointing and jabbing throughout. This was not a discussion across a table; this was very close physical range.

The optics for Hillary were awful. There is no lipstick that will cover that moment. This was the real Hillary.

[AtomicKitten]

66. Masterful! Defining moment!

Good lord that's all kinds of flippant condescenion.

k&r