2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumNew Poll 53 percent rate Hillary unfavorably,
Negative views of Hillary Clinton have jumped to nearly their highest on record in ABC News/Washington Post polls, while Donald Trumps personal popularity has grown more polarized along racial and ethnic lines.
Clintons favorability has burbled back under water: 45 percent of Americans now see her favorably, down 7 percentage points since midsummer, while 53 percent rate her unfavorably, up 8. Her unfavorable score is a single point from its highest in ABC/Post polls dating back 23 years; that came in April 2008, in the midst of her last presidential campaign.
Given their support profiles - Clintons more popular in groups that are less likely to be registered -
Clinton is particularly strong in her party, seen favorably by 80 percent of Democrats. But her unfavorable rating has increased by 10 points among independents since midsummer, moving from an even split in July to a 20-point net negative score in this group now. Only Bush does worse among independents.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/clinton-water-trump-polarization-grows-poll/story?id=33461702
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Why the avoidance of comparing her numbers to others, ABC News....if you really are "news" anymore? Congress approval is 12%!! Hispanic approval of Trump and the GOP is a thousand miles south of the border! But it is only the Hillary "bad news", real or imagined or spun like a glittering web that gets the breathless Doomsday headlines...what's up with that?
"Get Hillary".
That is the mass media movie of the year they are playing on a loop in corporate mass media boardrooms and on Madison Avenue and Wall Street because the prospect of billions of dollars of campaign ad money flowing into the rapidly emptying mass media coffees in a close 2016 election with Fascism in one corner and Liberal Democracy in the other has the CEO's orgasmic with delight...the bonus cheques will be huge!
And if Hillary is "gotten"?
Stay tuned for the mass media sequels...."Get Bernie and "Get Joe".
Congress at 12%.....but still all the ink is for Hillary at 47%. Amazing, isn't it?
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)her numbers will get even more realistic.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)I think the debates will help get her there.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)either candidate." If one-in-four or one-in-five Democrats can't bring themselves to vote for Hillary, and 60 percent of the Independents (who are the largest bloc of the electorate) won't vote for her, she's practically unelectable.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)ABC is a Fox-Lite propaganda outlet posing as a legitimate news medium. I'll take anything they "report" with a pound of salt.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Remember the mass media treatment of Ebola...nothing but distortions and half-truths and the same pundits now suddenly immunologists opening their unscientific pieholes to screech their idiocy hourly for weeks just to scare a nation...for nothing more than providing a distraction for the GOP insanity just before the mid-terms...after which it was "what Ebola scare?" from the same pieholes.
And it is happening all over again. Same propaganda, same fear as a bludgeon.
I have no time for those suffering from mass mass media amnesia.
cali
(114,904 posts)particularly as people tend to rate congress poorly but rate their individual congresscritter highly.
WI_DEM
(33,497 posts)Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)The masters of war are good at that.
Robbins
(5,066 posts)the MSM tries to ignore him as much as they can.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)and excluding actual candidatesregardless of their standing in polls. On both sides, to boot.
According to their poll, on the dem side it's Clinton v Biden. Period.
On the gop side, it's Bush v Trump. Period.
Never mind that Biden hasn't announced and Sanders is surging with polls showing he can win in the general. Never mind that Bush has tanked and is well behind Carson and others.
Here's a link to the actual poll, fwiw (nothing, imo, due to the above).
http://www.langerresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/1144a51ClintonTrumpBushBiden.pdf
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)any democrat is gonna have the stage in 2016. all the people are looking for.... i believe, the majority and not fringes, reasonable.
not too fuckin much to ask. we do not want a beer, or rally, or jump on a ship teabagging.... we are hiring an employee. that is it.
the primary always heats up both the party within and all of repug. that is a lot of the political world. and thankfully, that time is limited. most are not even following primary. most. are not following primary. they wait for their two choices.
they will not even start listening until the two choices are provided.
it feels like, clinton obviously recognizes..., being so much smarter than me, and oh, having played this game for decades (yes, authentic sanders too) .... that this is the inevitable. keep eyes opening if an issue needs addressed, otherwise ignore the insults and get to work
so, strategically, what did she do? during this time she has quietly and rather positively set up a base and structure to win the primary, .... statewise and nationally. that is where she is spending her time. personally, i think it is smart. kinda keeps her out of the fray. you know.... 3/4 or less of the political world.
i figure she will jump in once the debates start and three months out...... three months is more than enough time for sander supporters... repug, .... to come at her before the vote. what they are itching for. and i gotta tell you, as a woman wife and mom.... ya know. let 'em. play it smart. base, then a sigh, walk out, let them do their worse, and kick ass
then i think, if she wins, and a part of the two decisions for president? she will be able to really get into the campaign, and most of the people are looking to see which is reasonable. and will be fine with clinton.
conclusion. she has about 5 more months of unfavorable, and then she can move on.
anyone else?
Romulox
(25,960 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)clinton might win the democratic nomination. correct? i mean, is that like..... way out there? or is there a possibility? then, she is my candidate. so if there is a possibility that she may... oh, be MY candidate in 6 months, that i now shift gears to campaign for, it BEHOOVES
me to look at her journey on this campaign trail, you think? so i will be prepared to campaign for her.
just as i am doing with sanders.
and damn, the fun if it is Omalley
right?
Romulox
(25,960 posts)It's not a very convincing act, and I am looking forward to your "evolution" to an unabashed Clinton supporter.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)sense.
you on the other hand replied to me, .... assigning me what i think.
i am not having that kind of conversation any more romulox.
i will see you on the other side of the primary. and hopefully we will be working together.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)you decide. i do the best i can explaining my positions.
i am very clear. i make my statement. people read. they process, .... i would like them to think.... then they respond.
i have no power over control over that. people i really respect NEED to see me in a certain way. fine.
cool. your right. but, i am not obligated to be that person YOU decide i am.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)and my words are not going along with what your mind is telling you
that is not my problem, either.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)educated, experienced.
i look at a race.... as a race.
i am good at it, i am experienced in it, being so competitive, i turn everything into a fuckin competition. that is all this is. a race. i like all three. i get off on this shit. i said from day one, i was gonna fuckin enjoy this race. my god.....
we are so fuckin in shape, tight, lean, prepared, with three awesome in shape, priming competitors.
i see an up in each of their nominations.
this is a FUCKIN win win win for me.
those races are FUCKIN fun.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)On Wed Sep 2, 2015, 11:23 AM an alert was sent on the following post:
LOL. You do nothing but tear down Sanders and hype up Clinton...as an "O'Malley supporter".
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=565602
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
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it's one thing to disagree with SB, another to carry on insulting her and accusing her of putting on an "act" to sabotage Sanders.
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Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Oh pish, this is nothing. Grow some thicker skin already or get off discussion boards.
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Explanation: This is GD-P and stuff like this is said by both Sanders and Hillary supporters all the time. GD-P is given a little more leeway and this is nowhere near O.T.T. Leave it.
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Explanation: I don't see this as insulting. Besides, SB is quite capable of defending herself, if need arises.
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Romulox
(25,960 posts)TheKentuckian
(24,934 posts)Quite a few seem to be using O'Malley as a weird little parking spot apparently for the sole purpose of being some fashion of fake neutral for flinging artificial poo at Sanders on the internet en route to open and fervent Clintonites we a whole new level of gusto.
It is a shame too, O'Malley seems to have some solid ideas and is fighting against the wind in every direction so to be used as a weird placeholder by using his name as a beachhead to attack Sanders and prop up Clinton near exclusively is sad. It is strange that so many folks on the Internet claim Martin but spend every moment talking up Hillary and trashing Bernie.
Hey, your guy needs his not so Clinton message out on blast and feathering her nest 24/7 isn't helping and is counter productive as hell in moving the needle for your supposed standard bearer.
I am glad that these sorts have at least stopped pretending to be Sanders people but it is still amazingly lame.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)They are forcing people to hate Hillary!
Autumn
(44,743 posts)I love you Howard but I'm supporting Bernie another said Hillary is well-qualified, but I support Bernie Sanders they just went on and on with their vicious support for Bernie. Why it's enough to make you wonder what the hell is going on and why are Bernie supporters so darn mean. Shocking.
FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)rabid, white, Bernista raccoon, you're a goner.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)They must be stopped!
frylock
(34,825 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)TheFarS1de
(1,017 posts)You don't support HC at all . A couple more backhanded comments about Sanders and you should be up for full membership .
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)or a couple others that have been suggested on du.
i listen to what he says and has said for four decades and i believe what he says. i do not have to make him into something he is not.
omalley, here
hey... but here you are a month in and already have the politics of du down pat.
840high
(17,196 posts)Peacetrain
(22,836 posts)She is taking full heat 24/7 from the opposition.. not a bit surprised that her being seen favorably my those who are not part of the party would fall...
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)the better she does?
Peacetrain
(22,836 posts)I am an O'Malley supporter and have been for over a year now.. that is a different thing all together..but her negatives outside the party I am not a bit surprised by.. and if O'Malley was leading now, he would be taking all the incoming.. same is true for Sanders , Webb Chaffey and if VP Biden jumps in and takes off..
Maybe not so much Sanders.. I do not think the right will really take after him till the general election..
Then if he gets the nod, it will be Katie bar the door..
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)myself the day he declared. i guess it was out there. interesting.
Peacetrain
(22,836 posts)Gov. O.Malley came out to support the Democratic candidate Jack Hatch... I got to meet him then, and he just so impressed my husband and myself, that I talked to him afterwards and asked him if he ever considered running for President.. and he was just giving it thought at that time..So he has been out there.. for some reason he has not been on the radar like Sanders and Clinton.. and I cannot figure that one out for the life of me..
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)The Trump reality show is the top rated show (even though the Bernie show is top rated in the real world).
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)And if you are dismissing Mrs Clinton as a "celebrity", whether you care for her political stances or not, I really have to question one's intelligence.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Goldman Sachs does.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)Say something nasty about President Obama next.
Let it aaaaaaaaallllll out, like a big fart.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Pointing out that Hillary is a celebrity that does gigs for Goldman Sachs is nasty??
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)She was apparently competent enough to be picked by President Obama to be Secretary of State.
So I figure you must have something nasty to say about him now.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)I certainly didn't agree with Obama's pick.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)moobu2
(4,822 posts)Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)100% hyperbolic overdrive! Get out and lock the hubs! We're goin' 4-low!
doc03
(35,143 posts)discredit her by Fox and the Republican congress. How much free air time has Fox devoted to destroying Hillary?