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Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 09:06 AM Sep 2015

New Poll 53 percent rate Hillary unfavorably,

Negative views of Hillary Clinton have jumped to nearly their highest on record in ABC News/Washington Post polls, while Donald Trump’s personal popularity has grown more polarized along racial and ethnic lines.

Clinton’s favorability has burbled back under water: 45 percent of Americans now see her favorably, down 7 percentage points since midsummer, while 53 percent rate her unfavorably, up 8. Her unfavorable score is a single point from its highest in ABC/Post polls dating back 23 years; that came in April 2008, in the midst of her last presidential campaign.


Given their support profiles -– Clinton’s more popular in groups that are less likely to be registered -–


Clinton is particularly strong in her party, seen favorably by 80 percent of Democrats. But her unfavorable rating has increased by 10 points among independents since midsummer, moving from an even split in July to a 20-point net negative score in this group now. Only Bush does worse among independents.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/clinton-water-trump-polarization-grows-poll/story?id=33461702

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New Poll 53 percent rate Hillary unfavorably, (Original Post) Ichingcarpenter Sep 2015 OP
Clinton has "burbled back underwater"?? Did I read that right?.....why bother reading the ABC "news" spin after that? Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #1
I'm sure when she debates the others Ichingcarpenter Sep 2015 #3
I agree, 35% Favorable would be far more realistic. Motown_Johnny Sep 2015 #38
This election will be determined by turnout. Head-to-head doesn't capture the "I can't vote for leveymg Sep 2015 #5
Isn't conservative-trained Jon Karl the chief political propagandist for ABC? BlueCaliDem Sep 2015 #8
John Karl! Forgot about him. Yes, he is the "chief". What a joke he is....I remember how America treated the Iraq lies and the Dixie Chicks. Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #9
It's silly to compare the entire congress with one individual cali Sep 2015 #10
It's interesting how ABC polls feelings regarding Clinton and Biden but doesn't include Sanders WI_DEM Sep 2015 #2
Yeah they are playing the public on what they think is important Ichingcarpenter Sep 2015 #4
Of course they didn't poll Bernie Robbins Sep 2015 #7
Interesting that they have told us who our choices are, including people who haven't announced magical thyme Sep 2015 #6
clintons unfavorability. i have not weighed in. but i have decided. i am not concerned. seabeyond Sep 2015 #11
Um, you're an O'Malley supporter, remember? Romulox Sep 2015 #12
yes i am. i am also a democrat that likes being a...democrat. i dont know. there is that POSSIBILITY seabeyond Sep 2015 #13
LOL. You do nothing but tear down Sanders and hype up Clinton...as an "O'Malley supporter". Romulox Sep 2015 #14
we think differently. i did express what i think. people take it for what it is. i think it makes seabeyond Sep 2015 #15
Several people have pointed out to you how unconvincing you are. nt Romulox Sep 2015 #16
that is not my job to convince you of shit. that is what you all do not get. i do not care what seabeyond Sep 2015 #17
And yet here we are, one word salad served after another... nt Romulox Sep 2015 #18
and then, we go into the same insults, over and over and over again..... seabeyond Sep 2015 #20
those word salads are because your mind has dug in its heels to define me. seabeyond Sep 2015 #21
i was a competitive athlete for almost two decades. a competitive family. business oriented, seabeyond Sep 2015 #19
This is an entire salad bar. A rare treat! nt Romulox Sep 2015 #22
The results of your jury service: Le Taz Hot Sep 2015 #27
Thanks. :) nt Romulox Sep 2015 #29
Same formula as when a "Sanders supporter". It is such a tired and wholly predictable little game. TheKentuckian Sep 2015 #48
It's those damn Sanders supporters! ibegurpard Sep 2015 #23
Did you see what they did to Howard Dean? One guy had the nerve to say Autumn Sep 2015 #24
Once you get bitten by the FlatBaroque Sep 2015 #33
This vicious Bernie support will destroy this country! ibegurpard Sep 2015 #42
We are Legion! frylock Sep 2015 #30
talking to niece now. i stated: sanders supporters are creating a legend before he has even begun. seabeyond Sep 2015 #35
Yep ... TheFarS1de Sep 2015 #47
i can appreciate and value the man for who he is. i do not need to create a prophet, savior, legend seabeyond Sep 2015 #49
We are terrible people. 840high Sep 2015 #52
Lets be honest here folks.. Peacetrain Sep 2015 #25
The more debates she has Ichingcarpenter Sep 2015 #28
Well that remains to be seen.. I want more debates Peacetrain Sep 2015 #32
how did you know about omalley a year ago? i did not even see it on the radar and had to educate seabeyond Sep 2015 #36
Last year when we were having our election for Goveneor.. Peacetrain Sep 2015 #37
Good. People are looking beyond celebrity. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2015 #26
Are they? FlatBaroque Sep 2015 #34
Or maybe they just buy twenty five years of GOP bullshit ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2015 #39
You don't consider her a celebrity? Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2015 #40
Go ahead ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2015 #41
Something nasty? Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2015 #43
The idea she's merely "a celebrity" is stupid ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2015 #44
And, she promptly proved herself incompetent. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2015 #46
K & R !!! WillyT Sep 2015 #31
100% of everybody I know cant stand Bernie Sanders. moobu2 Sep 2015 #45
You must not get out much. Juicy_Bellows Sep 2015 #50
Not surprising considering a steady 2 year campaign to doc03 Sep 2015 #51

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
1. Clinton has "burbled back underwater"?? Did I read that right?.....why bother reading the ABC "news" spin after that?
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 09:10 AM
Sep 2015

Why the avoidance of comparing her numbers to others, ABC News....if you really are "news" anymore? Congress approval is 12%!! Hispanic approval of Trump and the GOP is a thousand miles south of the border! But it is only the Hillary "bad news", real or imagined or spun like a glittering web that gets the breathless Doomsday headlines...what's up with that?

"Get Hillary".

That is the mass media movie of the year they are playing on a loop in corporate mass media boardrooms and on Madison Avenue and Wall Street because the prospect of billions of dollars of campaign ad money flowing into the rapidly emptying mass media coffees in a close 2016 election with Fascism in one corner and Liberal Democracy in the other has the CEO's orgasmic with delight...the bonus cheques will be huge!

And if Hillary is "gotten"?

Stay tuned for the mass media sequels...."Get Bernie and "Get Joe".

Congress at 12%.....but still all the ink is for Hillary at 47%. Amazing, isn't it?

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
5. This election will be determined by turnout. Head-to-head doesn't capture the "I can't vote for
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 09:38 AM
Sep 2015

either candidate." If one-in-four or one-in-five Democrats can't bring themselves to vote for Hillary, and 60 percent of the Independents (who are the largest bloc of the electorate) won't vote for her, she's practically unelectable.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
8. Isn't conservative-trained Jon Karl the chief political propagandist for ABC?
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 09:48 AM
Sep 2015

ABC is a Fox-Lite propaganda outlet posing as a legitimate news medium. I'll take anything they "report" with a pound of salt.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
9. John Karl! Forgot about him. Yes, he is the "chief". What a joke he is....I remember how America treated the Iraq lies and the Dixie Chicks.
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 10:03 AM
Sep 2015

Remember the mass media treatment of Ebola...nothing but distortions and half-truths and the same pundits now suddenly immunologists opening their unscientific pieholes to screech their idiocy hourly for weeks just to scare a nation...for nothing more than providing a distraction for the GOP insanity just before the mid-terms...after which it was "what Ebola scare?" from the same pieholes.

And it is happening all over again. Same propaganda, same fear as a bludgeon.

I have no time for those suffering from mass mass media amnesia.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
10. It's silly to compare the entire congress with one individual
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 10:06 AM
Sep 2015

particularly as people tend to rate congress poorly but rate their individual congresscritter highly.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
6. Interesting that they have told us who our choices are, including people who haven't announced
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 09:45 AM
Sep 2015

and excluding actual candidatesregardless of their standing in polls. On both sides, to boot.

According to their poll, on the dem side it's Clinton v Biden. Period.
On the gop side, it's Bush v Trump. Period.

Never mind that Biden hasn't announced and Sanders is surging with polls showing he can win in the general. Never mind that Bush has tanked and is well behind Carson and others.

Here's a link to the actual poll, fwiw (nothing, imo, due to the above).
http://www.langerresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/1144a51ClintonTrumpBushBiden.pdf

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
11. clintons unfavorability. i have not weighed in. but i have decided. i am not concerned.
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 10:15 AM
Sep 2015

any democrat is gonna have the stage in 2016. all the people are looking for.... i believe, the majority and not fringes, reasonable.

not too fuckin much to ask. we do not want a beer, or rally, or jump on a ship teabagging.... we are hiring an employee. that is it.


the primary always heats up both the party within and all of repug. that is a lot of the political world. and thankfully, that time is limited. most are not even following primary. most. are not following primary. they wait for their two choices.

they will not even start listening until the two choices are provided.

it feels like, clinton obviously recognizes..., being so much smarter than me, and oh, having played this game for decades (yes, authentic sanders too) .... that this is the inevitable. keep eyes opening if an issue needs addressed, otherwise ignore the insults and get to work

so, strategically, what did she do? during this time she has quietly and rather positively set up a base and structure to win the primary, .... statewise and nationally. that is where she is spending her time. personally, i think it is smart. kinda keeps her out of the fray. you know.... 3/4 or less of the political world.

i figure she will jump in once the debates start and three months out...... three months is more than enough time for sander supporters... repug, .... to come at her before the vote. what they are itching for. and i gotta tell you, as a woman wife and mom.... ya know. let 'em. play it smart. base, then a sigh, walk out, let them do their worse, and kick ass

then i think, if she wins, and a part of the two decisions for president? she will be able to really get into the campaign, and most of the people are looking to see which is reasonable. and will be fine with clinton.

conclusion. she has about 5 more months of unfavorable, and then she can move on.

anyone else?

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
13. yes i am. i am also a democrat that likes being a...democrat. i dont know. there is that POSSIBILITY
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 10:23 AM
Sep 2015

clinton might win the democratic nomination. correct? i mean, is that like..... way out there? or is there a possibility? then, she is my candidate. so if there is a possibility that she may... oh, be MY candidate in 6 months, that i now shift gears to campaign for, it BEHOOVES
me to look at her journey on this campaign trail, you think? so i will be prepared to campaign for her.

just as i am doing with sanders.

and damn, the fun if it is Omalley

right?

Romulox

(25,960 posts)
14. LOL. You do nothing but tear down Sanders and hype up Clinton...as an "O'Malley supporter".
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 10:27 AM
Sep 2015

It's not a very convincing act, and I am looking forward to your "evolution" to an unabashed Clinton supporter.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
15. we think differently. i did express what i think. people take it for what it is. i think it makes
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 10:31 AM
Sep 2015

sense.

you on the other hand replied to me, .... assigning me what i think.

i am not having that kind of conversation any more romulox.

i will see you on the other side of the primary. and hopefully we will be working together.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
17. that is not my job to convince you of shit. that is what you all do not get. i do not care what
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 10:36 AM
Sep 2015

you decide. i do the best i can explaining my positions.

i am very clear. i make my statement. people read. they process, .... i would like them to think.... then they respond.

i have no power over control over that. people i really respect NEED to see me in a certain way. fine.

cool. your right. but, i am not obligated to be that person YOU decide i am.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
21. those word salads are because your mind has dug in its heels to define me.
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 10:43 AM
Sep 2015

and my words are not going along with what your mind is telling you

that is not my problem, either.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
19. i was a competitive athlete for almost two decades. a competitive family. business oriented,
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 10:40 AM
Sep 2015

educated, experienced.

i look at a race.... as a race.

i am good at it, i am experienced in it, being so competitive, i turn everything into a fuckin competition. that is all this is. a race. i like all three. i get off on this shit. i said from day one, i was gonna fuckin enjoy this race. my god.....

we are so fuckin in shape, tight, lean, prepared, with three awesome in shape, priming competitors.

i see an up in each of their nominations.

this is a FUCKIN win win win for me.

those races are FUCKIN fun.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
27. The results of your jury service:
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 11:36 AM
Sep 2015

On Wed Sep 2, 2015, 11:23 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

LOL. You do nothing but tear down Sanders and hype up Clinton...as an "O'Malley supporter".
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=565602

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

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it's one thing to disagree with SB, another to carry on insulting her and accusing her of putting on an "act" to sabotage Sanders.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Sep 2, 2015, 11:34 AM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

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Explanation: Oh pish, this is nothing. Grow some thicker skin already or get off discussion boards.
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Explanation: This is GD-P and stuff like this is said by both Sanders and Hillary supporters all the time. GD-P is given a little more leeway and this is nowhere near O.T.T. Leave it.
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TheKentuckian

(24,934 posts)
48. Same formula as when a "Sanders supporter". It is such a tired and wholly predictable little game.
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 07:35 PM
Sep 2015

Quite a few seem to be using O'Malley as a weird little parking spot apparently for the sole purpose of being some fashion of fake neutral for flinging artificial poo at Sanders on the internet en route to open and fervent Clintonites we a whole new level of gusto.

It is a shame too, O'Malley seems to have some solid ideas and is fighting against the wind in every direction so to be used as a weird placeholder by using his name as a beachhead to attack Sanders and prop up Clinton near exclusively is sad. It is strange that so many folks on the Internet claim Martin but spend every moment talking up Hillary and trashing Bernie.

Hey, your guy needs his not so Clinton message out on blast and feathering her nest 24/7 isn't helping and is counter productive as hell in moving the needle for your supposed standard bearer.

I am glad that these sorts have at least stopped pretending to be Sanders people but it is still amazingly lame.

Autumn

(44,743 posts)
24. Did you see what they did to Howard Dean? One guy had the nerve to say
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 11:09 AM
Sep 2015

I love you Howard but I'm supporting Bernie another said Hillary is well-qualified, but I support Bernie Sanders they just went on and on with their vicious support for Bernie. Why it's enough to make you wonder what the hell is going on and why are Bernie supporters so darn mean. Shocking.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
35. talking to niece now. i stated: sanders supporters are creating a legend before he has even begun.
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 02:26 PM
Sep 2015

TheFarS1de

(1,017 posts)
47. Yep ...
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 07:33 PM
Sep 2015

You don't support HC at all . A couple more backhanded comments about Sanders and you should be up for full membership .

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
49. i can appreciate and value the man for who he is. i do not need to create a prophet, savior, legend
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 08:34 PM
Sep 2015

or a couple others that have been suggested on du.

i listen to what he says and has said for four decades and i believe what he says. i do not have to make him into something he is not.

omalley, here

hey... but here you are a month in and already have the politics of du down pat.

Peacetrain

(22,836 posts)
25. Lets be honest here folks..
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 11:18 AM
Sep 2015

She is taking full heat 24/7 from the opposition.. not a bit surprised that her being seen favorably my those who are not part of the party would fall...

Peacetrain

(22,836 posts)
32. Well that remains to be seen.. I want more debates
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 12:38 PM
Sep 2015

I am an O'Malley supporter and have been for over a year now.. that is a different thing all together..but her negatives outside the party I am not a bit surprised by.. and if O'Malley was leading now, he would be taking all the incoming.. same is true for Sanders , Webb Chaffey and if VP Biden jumps in and takes off..

Maybe not so much Sanders.. I do not think the right will really take after him till the general election..

Then if he gets the nod, it will be Katie bar the door..

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
36. how did you know about omalley a year ago? i did not even see it on the radar and had to educate
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 02:28 PM
Sep 2015

myself the day he declared. i guess it was out there. interesting.

Peacetrain

(22,836 posts)
37. Last year when we were having our election for Goveneor..
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 05:08 PM
Sep 2015

Gov. O.Malley came out to support the Democratic candidate Jack Hatch... I got to meet him then, and he just so impressed my husband and myself, that I talked to him afterwards and asked him if he ever considered running for President.. and he was just giving it thought at that time..So he has been out there.. for some reason he has not been on the radar like Sanders and Clinton.. and I cannot figure that one out for the life of me..

FlatBaroque

(3,160 posts)
34. Are they?
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 12:40 PM
Sep 2015

The Trump reality show is the top rated show (even though the Bernie show is top rated in the real world).

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
39. Or maybe they just buy twenty five years of GOP bullshit
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 05:14 PM
Sep 2015

And if you are dismissing Mrs Clinton as a "celebrity", whether you care for her political stances or not, I really have to question one's intelligence.

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
44. The idea she's merely "a celebrity" is stupid
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 07:16 PM
Sep 2015

She was apparently competent enough to be picked by President Obama to be Secretary of State.

So I figure you must have something nasty to say about him now.

doc03

(35,143 posts)
51. Not surprising considering a steady 2 year campaign to
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 09:01 PM
Sep 2015

discredit her by Fox and the Republican congress. How much free air time has Fox devoted to destroying Hillary?

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