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Related: About this forumHillary Clinton Mocks Trump, And Herself, On 'SNL'
Hillary Clinton hosted "Saturday Night Live" on Saturday, and used it as an opportunity to mock Donald Trump and to make fun of her own reticence on issues like marriage equality and the Keystone XL pipeline.
In a standard "SNL" setup, the show's fake Clinton, played by Kate McKinnon, came face to face with the real thing. The former secretary of state and front-runner in the Democratic presidential race played a wise and straight-talking bartender named Val, who counsels McKinnon's Clinton over vodka, sings a few bars of "Lean on Me," and then disappears into thin air.
In the sketch, Clinton briefly impersonates Donald Trump -- "Uh, you're all losers" -- and joins in with the skewering of her own reputation for overt ambition and robotic campaigning.
"You give off such a young, cool vibe," Val says to McKinnon's Clinton. "You must work in Brooklyn."
It was one of several references to Clinton's efforts to appeal to younger voters and to counter her public image as removed and emotionally uninspiring. "You are really easy to talk to," McKinnon's Clinton tells Val. "That's the first time I've ever heard that," Clinton replies.
The most pointed moments, however, came when Clinton conceded that she should have publicly supported marriage equality earlier than she did. "You supported it pretty soon," says Val. "Still, could have been sooner," McKinnon's Clinton responds. "Fair point," nods the real Clinton.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-snl-mocks-trump_561115cee4b0af3706e1199e?xlwbqpvi
Vattel
(9,289 posts)reformist2
(9,841 posts)last1standing
(11,709 posts)Not even close, Hillary. Not for anyone who had to die alone because hospital staff would only let "family" in to see them. Not for anyone who lost their entire life's savings because they had no legal protection for inheritance.
Not nearly close enough, Hillary.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Thank you in advance.
last1standing
(11,709 posts)I'm not sure I get your point, but I find the complete lack of empathy disturbing.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Thank you in advance.
riversedge
(70,246 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)last1standing
(11,709 posts)You know, the "traditional marriage" Hillary supported while people died alone and their spouses lost everything.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)last1standing
(11,709 posts)But she "evolved" in time for a new election, long after public opinion had changed. That's what really counts.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I don't see the efficacy of continuing this conversation as my thread has received the requisite amount of recommends to make the Greatest Page but thank you for your consideration.
last1standing
(11,709 posts)You don't?
Hillary consistently supported denying LGBT people the right to marry, which led to thousands of sick LGBTers dying alone and thousands losing everything?
But that's not worth discussion to you? Why?
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)If you want to discuss Hillary's positions on the issues that is your right. If I want to discuss Hillary Clinton's boffo appearance on Saturday Night Live that is my right.
But as I have said, ad infinitum and ad nauseum, I appreciate the consideration you have given to recommending my thread.
last1standing
(11,709 posts)Let's discuss all the sick LGBTers who died alone because "advocates" like Hillary wouldn't support them because it might affect her in the polls.
I think that's far more important and worthy of discussion than a comedy skit. Don't you? Especially since Hillary is the one who brought it up by suggesting she evolved "pretty soon."
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Then start a thread to discuss it. As I have been saying, ad nauseum and ad infinitum, this thread is to celebrate Hillary Clinton's boffo performance on Saturday Night Live. What part of that don't you understand?
BTW, the only people to compel me to talk about what they wanted to talk about instead of what I wanted to talk about were my mom and dad and they are both dead.
But I would be remiss if I didn't close this post by thanking you for the consideration you gave to recommending my thread.
last1standing
(11,709 posts)I know that Hillary's positions and record don't help her, but I believe it's time to elect someone with positions and record we can be proud of.
Still, I know looking good on TV is very important to Hillary "We came, we saw, he died" Clinton. It's all she's got.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I will not discuss it in this thread, a thread I started to celebrate Hillary Clinton's bravura performance on Saturday Night Live. What part of that don't you understand?
I am absolutely flummoxed by the hubris it must take to come on an internet forum and deign to force anonymous strangers to discuss things he or she has chosen not to discuss... I don't know if I can be more plain spoken. I would literally rather be shot in the head than allow you to force me to talk about what you want to talk about and not what I want to talk about.
But, again, I thank you for considering recommending my thread.
ronnykmarshall
(35,356 posts)but cats are cute.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)eom
last1standing
(11,709 posts)But you won't discuss it, even though it's part of the very skit you're praising. Got it.
Image is everything, for some.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)What part of this is a thread to celebrate Hillary Clinton's Emmy worthy performance on Saturday Night Live don't you understand?
However , I do thank you for considering recommending it.
last1standing
(11,709 posts)I didn't see that you had posted this in the Hillary Group.
err.......
So what do you think about Hillary making a joke about not supporting marriage equality? I think it kind of sucks and shows us all how little she really cares about us in the LGBT community.
ronnykmarshall
(35,356 posts)Since you're sniffing around, I'm sure you noticed it
last1standing
(11,709 posts)But I promise not to post my thoughts on Hillary making jokes out of not supporting marriage equality there.
So what do you think about Hillary making jokes about not supporting marriage equality? Did you think that was funny?
ronnykmarshall
(35,356 posts)Says a lot.
Why with all your charm, I'm going to shed my support of Hillary RIGHT NOW!
Thank you!
last1standing
(11,709 posts)I don't find it funny. Do you?
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)If you believe you can commandeer me to discuss what you want to discuss instead of what I want to discuss there is nothing I can do to disabuse you of that notion.
Somewhere you have come to the conclusion that you are going to get me to discuss what you want to discuss. I would literally rather die.
Oh, thanks for considering recommending my thread,
last1standing
(11,709 posts)I don't know why you won't tell me whether you thought her joke about not supporting marriage equality was funny? I know some people love a good laugh at the expense of the LGBT community. I just didn't know Hillary was one of them.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I would think by this point you would realize two things; DemocratSinceBirth is a little crazy and a little stubborn. I would add both traits have proven to be useful to me.
last1standing
(11,709 posts)Nothing wrong with a little crazy and a little stubborn.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Senator Sanders is fortunate to have such devoted supporters.
last1standing
(11,709 posts)We both have some compatriots who are smearing the records of our candidates, and I could live without them. On the other hand, we need to know how to deal with extremely hard questioning and return it if we're going to win in November 2016.
ronnykmarshall
(35,356 posts)still_one
(92,250 posts)Last edited Sun Oct 4, 2015, 02:47 PM - Edit history (1)
OP
I get it. You don't like Hillary, then don't vote for her
last1standing
(11,709 posts)If/when she wins the primary.
But if you can't answer a fool like myself, how will you handle someone with a brain who hits these issues int he general election?
Personally, I think we should nominate the candidate with the best record of supporting progressive causes, Bernie Sanders. If he doesn't win, I'd like to think we were able to counter some easy questioning.
still_one
(92,250 posts)intended. I acknowledge you make a valid point, but in my view the intent of this thread was simply that Hillary has a sense of humor , and not only admitted her short comings in the skit, but also should have decided sooner
Her impersonation of Trump was quite funny also
last1standing
(11,709 posts)I also think it's a very big mistake to make a joke about her very, very late support or marriage equality. We all know that she probably supported it personally back in the 90s but we also all know that she was never an advocate for it that we could count on.
I strongly suspect Hillary will end up as our nominee despite my every intention to see that it doesn't happen. If she wants to win, she needs to show that she takes responsibility for her extremely bad decisions and start taking some strong stands on the policies that matter to the American people. She hasn't done that yet, which makes the claim that she's a weather vane so easy and damaging.
You can argue with my assessment all you like, but the truth is that few people doubt she supported LGBT rights and few believe she will do anything to reign in Wall Street excesses or close down Citizens United. But she doesn't give very clear or convincing arguments on the issues she claims to support. I believe people would have more respect for her if she stated that she was always for marriage equality but couldn't come out against it while working for an administration that officially didn't. She'd do much better if she would tell us exactly how she plans to curb Wall Street and stop dark money slush funds.
Again, you don't have to agree, but there is a very good reason candidates who are considered outsiders are doing so well in both parties. People are sick of double talk and broken promises in an era of desperation.
In other words, if Team Hillary wants to defang her attackers, she has to be a far better candidate - one who people truly believe will stand up for them. I know you believe that already, but many, many people don't, including me.
There are bad decisions in everyone's past. How you deal with your bad decisions is the way people judge your character.
still_one
(92,250 posts)last1standing
(11,709 posts)I understand you disagree with me, but those are my thoughts, right or wrong. I'll hold my nose and pull the lever for Hillary in the GE, but many people who aren't as tuned into politics won't unless she gives them something to vote for more than "scary republican! Boo!"
still_one
(92,250 posts)cool.
I also think 95% of those on DU will vote for whoever the Democratic nominee is, because in the end there is no ambiguity where the republican candidates stand on LGBT issues, along with the other social issues, and at least there is a chance for progress with the Democratic candidates, though to be honest, if we win the general election, whoever it is will still have a difficult time because the house has been gerrymandered, and the republicans will control that majority for a while. The Senate, we have a real possibility to regain control, but if we lose both houses, and the Presidency, I believe it will be a disaster.
Also, I absolutely no problem for voting for any of the Democratic candidates running for President in the general election.
In my view one of the most important issues is the Supreme Court, and the next President will most likely need to appoint someone to replace a Democratic appointee rather than a republican on, which will impact everything if the Democrats lose the white house.
Take care
treestar
(82,383 posts)come round on an issue for not doing so soon enough. If they are now on our side, we've made progress.
still_one
(92,250 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)it was about her.
riversedge
(70,246 posts)chuckle
@HillaryClinton 11h11 hours ago
A vote for Hillary is a vote for four more years of Kate McKinnon's impression. #citizens
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I watch it on special occasions like when LeBron James or a politician is on.
Gothmog
(145,345 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Persondem
(1,936 posts)HRC did a pretty good job showing she can deliver a joke and take a joke.
mcar
(42,334 posts)flamingdem
(39,313 posts)better Hillary than the Obama character they had and this shows that Hillary has a good sense of timing, very important for those press dinners.
Bettie
(16,111 posts)but she did pretty well and it was a funny bit.
ronnykmarshall
(35,356 posts)Last edited Sun Oct 4, 2015, 12:41 PM - Edit history (1)
is that a new record?
jalan48
(13,871 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)-Cinderella
jalan48
(13,871 posts)Response to jalan48 (Reply #26)
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still_one
(92,250 posts)jalan48
(13,871 posts)StevieM
(10,500 posts)I missed that part last night.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)her election would be smoother,
BUT,
if this skit were like the real Dems, you would have the annoying manager named "Debbie" trying to make sure Val stopped talking so much.
That is sad, because "Val" might get a lot more people to appreciate her sense of humor rather than the clueless "manager's" calculations and manipulations, the sort that manager weasels think up because they think they are brilliant, but really, just suck.
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)She did a great job & I loved her laugh at the end.
book_worm
(15,951 posts)DrBulldog
(841 posts)And his line was something many of us can agree on:
"Oh my God - they're multiplyin'!"
reformist2
(9,841 posts)TeeYiYi
(8,028 posts)...Miley Cyrus did.
TYY
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)ronnykmarshall
(35,356 posts)Hermie baby is ok in my book