2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIF you are going to alert on me on ANY union issue, remember who you are dealing with
IF there is anyone that knows unions on the DU, it is me!
Hosts this is not a complaint about DU or the jury system. The results are at the bottom. It is hard to complain when you win 6-1!
Let me make it clear I have spent very little time in GD-P. I was upset yesterday with an OP that was later proven false by Thom Hartman. Had the poster at any time over the next 20 or so hours corrected the OP with the correct info, I would not have made the post in question this morning.
I knew when I made the OP from Faux News the reporting financial donation info was correct. I looked into it. The Faux piece was sent to me by a AFT local president that supports Bernie. Because of the donations, this conclusion seems fair: Other expenditures suggest AFTs decision to endorse Weingartens friend Hillary Clinton for president a move that angered many AFT members had been made long before it was announced in July
I went to have my car worked (I made my only reply from there and I hate DUing on my phone) on and went to the store. I knew there would be some shenanigans while I was gone. When you have dementia, sometimes you just don't give a crap.
As far as the dates and donated amounts the proof is below. The scandal-ridden Clinton family nonprofits is out of line. I think most of you know that isn't me unless I'm really pissed about something.
http://www.theaftd.org/life-with-ftd/i-have-ftd Pick your battles. Not everyone will understand FTD or the effect it has on your life. Some people you think you can count on will disappoint you. Invest energy in those who listen and try to help.
But again had it not been for an unfair post yesterday that wasn't corrected, these two posts today wouldn't even exist. I will play fair. But everybody else needs to play fair too.
Somebody please post this in the Hillary group too.
I think I've done my part today for World FTD Awareness Week (October 4-11) From conferences in Australia and The Netherlands, to a concert and art gallery in Spain, to a citywide proclamation in Canada, constituents around the world are making their voices heard in the fight against FTD. Click here for ways to join this crucial week for awareness: http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/first-ever-world-ftd-awareness-week-launches-tonight-at-one-world-trade-center-300152678.html
OS
Famous movie quote.
US Dept of Labor AFT report: https://olms.dol-esa.gov/query/orgReport.do
https://olms.dol-esa.gov/query/orgReport.do
The post in question: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251651016
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/10/06/american-federation-teachers-union-spends-37m-on-politics/
Snip: Other expenditures suggest AFTs decision to endorse Weingartens friend Hillary Clinton for president a move that angered many AFT members had been made long before it was announced in July.
AFT donated $250,000 to the Bill, Hillary & Chelsea Clinton Foundation in February, $125,000 to Clinton Global Initiative in April and another $125,000 to Clinton Global Initiative in May. In December, AFT paid Clinton-allied opposition research group American Bridge 21st Century $100,000.
The American Bridge payment was reported as a political expense. The payments to the scandal-ridden Clinton family nonprofits were not.
Click for more from Watchdog.org: http://watchdog.org/240956/aft-union-politics-2015/
AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service
On Tue Oct 6, 2015, 11:55 AM an alert was sent on the following post:
About that AFT for Hillary thing... had been made long before it was announced in July.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251651016
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
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"Watchdog.org is a network of American news websites that feature reporting on state and local government from a conservative perspective." And foxnews? This is what we are going to attack Democratic candidates with here at DU? This is ridiculous and completely inappropriate.
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Oct 6, 2015, 12:13 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Explanation: Despite its source, the post raises legitimate issues and does so in a an unbiased way.
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Explanation: Fox News not a reliable source for the day of the week.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Explanation: So, why didn't you answer the post with your alert message instead of calling out a jury to do your work for you? Because you don't like a messenger doesn't mean the message is wrong.
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Faux pas
(14,582 posts)anti-union is anti-American. That is all.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)out on it.
appalachiablue
(41,047 posts)Go for it!
NobodyHere
(2,810 posts)Then what's going on with the UAW and Chrysler-Fiat?
Omaha Steve
(99,059 posts)In LBN: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141226165
Short version. The two wage system must go. The UAW took it on the chin with the bankruptcies in 2009.
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)Well Said!
To one who knows who knows about Unions.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)union are the heart and soul of the working people. which is why they're under attack
peace,
jalan48
(13,797 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Thank you, OS!
MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,107 posts)Thanks for the thread, Omaha Steve.
Iggo
(47,486 posts)Omaha Steve
(99,059 posts)...
merrily
(45,251 posts)The Jury vote should have been 7-0. In fact, there never should have been an alert. However, you know that DU has devolved to.
RoccoRyg
(260 posts)Many people seem to forget the "democratic" part of Democratic Underground. God forbid you post an opposing opinion.
merrily
(45,251 posts)It doesn't matter if something is true or not, it matters only who reported it. Because we can depend upon slate.com to publish everything we need to know about Democrats.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)And to add, a little warning, don't mess with our OS.
He knows what he talks about.
ms liberty
(8,478 posts)KoKo
(84,711 posts)SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)thanks O S
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Shocking news.
Not.
It's all they've got.
sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)Let's try to revive the unions!
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)TheKentuckian
(24,934 posts)get to them?
They have made opposition to the stupid and failed impossible because they can't stop finding ways to "compromise" with evil's stupid brother.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)Teamster Jeff
(1,598 posts)delrem
(9,688 posts)It isn't a big deal.
Tho' the "hide posts" function on DU is out of whack, esp. in this primary season. I guess we've just got to expect that out of a group of 7 DU jurors, at least 4 aren't total assholes.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)To tell the truth.
The whole, ugly, unseemly truth, warts and all, about CGI.
I probably shouldn't say this, as it might be seen as a "kiss of death" for Omaha Steve, due to some of the enemies I have made here that oppose me here at the DU forum and always use guilt by association to go after people I like and talk to at this forum, but I think that Omaha Steve is entitled to express his opinion.
Even if his opinion is wrong -- which he isn't in this very specific instance -- talking about the union's email informing him of the same information that Faux Snooze somehow accidently reported correctly about the same issue concerning CGI donations.
I know, I know, it caught me off guard as well, that Faux Snooze actually reported the truth; I'm still picking myself up off of the floor, but there it is.
Now we have to deal with the full ramifications of that peculiar occurrence, somehow, while simultaneously digesting the news about the donations made to CGI.
delrem
(9,688 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)that the AFT leadership likes the Clintons.
The fact that the AFT endorsed Clinton could be one sign of the affection of that leadership for the Clintons.
Nothing amazing here. Nothing amazing at all.
Corruption is the name of the game.
And don't think that there is no corruption and only virtue in non-profits. It unfortunately is not true.
shadowmayor
(1,325 posts)Unions were on the way out during the 70's, but it was Raygun and his cabal with plenty of help from Democrats who tried their best to kill our unions for good. Ronnie pounded the nails into the union coffin, and the dems handed him the hammer and the nails. Now it seems? the United States of Amnesia may be waking up after all. We can only hope!
Dustlawyer
(10,493 posts)that some of the membership, like many Americans, have fallen for the RW media and its lies. The leadership has the same problem anyone has in trying to figure out how to convince them they are being lied to. You can't do it. They have been brainwashed, made angry and afraid everyone is "taking" from them, only they have it wrong on who is doing the taking.
In order to have healthy, growing unions, we must get Publicly Funded Elections and bust up the media oligopoly! While we're at it bust up the banking oligopoly as well!
marym625
(17,997 posts)You are the "u" in union (or something less corny than that - I'm exhausted)
You rock! Don't let them get you down. I do wonder if the same person that sent the alert on your post, sent alerts on the republicans used and republican sources used to attack Sanders. I'm going to go with, nope!
Thank you for all your hard work OS!
Scruffy1
(3,239 posts)Steve, I have been reading your posts for years. You are a constant source of information, and a gentleman. I'm would like to rack this up as just the heat of the campaign, but Ii really think it gets down to the heart and soul of what being a Democrat means. It seems like some of our people are stuck in a cult of personality where no one can speak ill of the leader.But then, facts are stubborn things.Union leaders generally support TPTB, because they don't want to rock the boat. Hell , the APWU gave Darryl Issa money for
"access".(sounds like bribery to me, but then he doesn't need the money. In the end, union membership will vote for who they think will protect their own interest, not the bosses.
Keep up the good work.
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)is promoting the right wing conspiracy which is the source as the "scandals." Go ahead. Alert. Claim that I just called you a member of the right wing conspiracy. I did not. I said that anyone who acts as if the manufactured "scandals" like Monica and Bengazi and the Emails are important is doing the work of the right wing conspiracy, whether they understand it or not. And anyone who would make use of the manufactured scandals of the right wing to attack a perfectly viable Democratic candidate in the primary---
Well, let's remember what Gary Hart had to say in 2008 about Dems who attack other Dems.
Omaha Steve
(99,059 posts)I guess Thom Hartman is right wing to your crowd now too?
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)I am depressed at the level of name calling. By those who claim the high moral ground.
nxylas
(6,440 posts)But www.donotlink.com allows you to link to sites like Fox Noise without affecting their web stats, Google rankings etc. I learned about it on DU, but that doesn't mean every DUer knows about it.
Gman
(24,780 posts)And have years of experience with more than just public employee unions.
SecularMotion
(7,981 posts)Do realize that Watchdog.org is ANTI-UNION?
Union bosses known for bashing the rich are often millionaires themselves, paid with dues taken from workers paychecks.
Laborers International Union of North America president Terry OSullivan, who was paid $670,403 in 2014, slammed Charles and David Koch and other critics of big government in a speech last July.
http://watchdog.org/212919/union-bosses-2014/
Omaha Steve
(99,059 posts)Why is it 36 hours after Thom Hartmann pointed out a slanted OP about Bernie on the DU hasn't been corrected last I knew? The person has been posting on the DU but hasn't corrected the post. Are YOU upset about that???
Sure it is an anti union site. Even a broken clock... The financial numbers have been verified as being from the US Dept of Labor on AFT's own report. The conclusion about the decision was made long ago is reasonable since $100,000 was given ( In December, AFT paid Clinton-allied opposition research group American Bridge 21st Century $100,000) last year. Why did the AFT even bother to interview Bernie or O'Malley LONG after they had made their decision? Now there are two different stories about that: Are YOU upset about that???
The AFL-CIO asked all members including the AFT not to endorse before next February's scheduled conference. Are YOU upset about that???
What's Wrong With The AFT? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/07/15/hillary-clinton-randi-weingarten_n_7806386.html
By Lois Weiner
Posted: 07/15/2015 8:07 pm EDT Updated: 07/15/2015 8:59 pm EDT
On Saturday, the American Federation of Teachers (AFT) announced that its executive council overwhelmingly endorsed Hillary Clinton for the Democratic nomination for president. It did so, the official announcement says, on the basis of interviews (not released to members) and the results of a poll.
The decision couldnt be more wrongheaded, and its one that members should demand the union executive council rescind. We should propose instead a decision reached by a very different process: a referendum of members that follows and is informed by debate in union outlets.
Every local should be charged by the executive council with providing space and place for members to air their opinions. The national union should encourage use of its magazine and website for this debate. In this discussion the leadership will have the opportunity to persuade members that endorsing Clinton is the wisest choice, but it will be obligated to carry out the will of the membership as expressed in the referendum.
What is most destructive in the AFTs endorsement of Clinton is that it has disempowered members at precisely the moment when we most need revitalized teachers unions to save a system of education that is being destroyed as a public good by powerful elites and the politicians they control.
FULL story at link (Is Huff Post a RW rag now too?)
IF your upset about my source but not the OP that started this, that says a lot to reasonable DUers.
OS
SecularMotion
(7,981 posts)Omaha Steve
(99,059 posts)Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)Of course, RW sources must be viewed suspiciously, but when their reporting is factually accurate, the use of such a source is valid. There are also LW sources which have lost credibility over their unethical behavior in this cycle. For example anything touched by professional scumbag and documented liar David Brock. The test is not the source, but the truth of the claim by any source.
If DU becomes so tribal it excludes truth because of its source, then it will inevitably decline, imo. In an oligarchy such as the US, the scarcest resource is usually the truth.
SecularMotion
(7,981 posts)Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)David Brock has made no argument with regard to the OP. Ad Hominem is short hand for Argumentum Ad Hominem, "argument to the person." Since no one is asserting any argument by Brock relevant to the OP, it is impossible to make an Ad Hominem attack against him with respect to the OP. I merely named him in making an analogy about bad LW sources. That he is a liar is self admitted. That he is a scumbag is merely a widely shared view.
SecularMotion
(7,981 posts)I highly recommend you read his book "The Republican Noise Machine."
It may help you to make some sense of the noise in your head.
Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)I dare you to take a poll on DU concerning the infamous neoliberal (in both senses) Mr. Brock. His most recent scandal is getting caught with an indiscreet email trying to do some dirt to Bernie. His tawdry stretching of FEC rules is emblematic of what a scumbag he truly is.
TBF
(31,920 posts)I'm not surprised that certain segments would try to shut you down. I'm glad you fought back.
dsc
(52,129 posts)You posted a false story from a right wing source, and it is the alerter's fault not yours.
DhhD
(4,695 posts)of the president of the AFT to see the opposite positions given versus the position of the public education and public education union backing and the positions of AFT's backing union. IMO and to me, the statements I received from the president were the opposite of the teacher's fellowship of public education versus private education. It seems to me that the US Department of Education backs the privatization of education and the use of testing scores to end the careers of certified teachers. Charter schools want to hire someone for minimum wage without benefits to teach children while they take the profits just like in any other business. I am a teacher, but will not affiliate with AFT for the reason of the separate missions between the leaders and the teachers.
When the endorsement for Clinton was made, my first thought was why so soon. IMO the only thing that AFT and Hillary Clinton have in common is they do not like No Child Left Behind which was recently fixed by Congress which I believe would be known by AFT and all other teacher's unions. My second thought was that the president of AFT must be getting ready to walk through the revolving door just like the Clinton team, who worked with Clinton to help privatize Mexico's Oil Industry. Let me suggest that you research how privatization is a move to the Right whether it be for national education privatization or national oil industry privatization. Again its those facts, no matter where they are coming from, that are always out there. OS knows the facts about unions.
DhhD
(4,695 posts)In summer, I got a message call from the AFT using the name of their president, but I hung up because the president and the AFT teachers were separating, with the president moving Right and teachers staying Left.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Definitely, these are Third Way policies. This administration has been a huge disappointment for the teachers he promised to support only to end up pushing an even worse version of the awful NCLB.
If we don't stop these neolibs, there will no public programs left in this country or anywhere they go. See what they're doing in the EU eg.
stupidicus
(2,570 posts)so HC isn't entitled to having anyone holding her hand while she's on your hot seat...lol
kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)with what is possible. Even many workers have different ideas about this.
DhhD
(4,695 posts)unions are allowed/against the law, the salary from the state, is dropping. Sanders has no policies like this. Perhaps you have time to research what the Spring 2015 GOP controlled Texas Legislature did to the salary status of teachers.
Trump jumped his meeting with the Texas Hispanic Chamber of Commerce for Thursday, October 8, 2015. Trump is even farther to the Right than a chamber of commerce.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)You are the best, no matter what they say!
d_legendary1
(2,586 posts)The stories and posts are always on the money (no pun intended). Its not O.S.'s fault some people can't understand context or have an axe to grind. Keep it up Steve! We love you!
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)*not an actual picture of Omaha Steve
Take it easy Steve and take care of yourself!