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Segami

(14,923 posts)
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 08:09 AM Oct 2015

Hillary Clinton EVOLVED Today, Yesterday, Last Week, In June And In April UPDATED With May!





Hillary has pulled an incredible feat of evolving into an almost totally unrecognizable candidate at a pace that would put lesser souls stumbling around for Dramamine to stop the spinning.

Just today, after consulting with over 200 policy experts, and with the prospect of alienating some of her Wall St. donors, Hillary decided that appeasing the left was more important at this time. So she came out with a plan to 'update' Glass Steagall. Not to reinstate it, mind you, just to tinker with it.

Yesterday, after years of supporting the Trans Pacific Partnership (TPP) trade deal and calling it the 'gold standard' of trade; and after pushing it over 45 times! Hillary has decided that she is actually against it.

Last week, and after the Clinton State Department had corrupted the initial studies into the impact of the Keystone XL pipeline, Hillary has made a complete turnaround and is now saying that she opposes the pipeline due to it's possible environmental impacts.

In June, after many years of opposing same sex marriage, Hillary evolved into a 21st century candidate by saying she now supports complete gay rights.

In April, Hillary decided that she wasn't going to get caught like she was in 2008 when Obama stood for issuing Drivers Licenses to the undocumented and she was opposed, so she updated her stance to be in approval of Drivers Licenses for the undocumented.

Hmmm, what do you suppose is causing this frenzy of rapid evolution and did I miss anything?

UPDATED:Oops! forgot her evolution in May. Who could forget her change of stance on Iraq? In May she said voting for Iraq invasion was a mistake!


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/10/08/1429557/-Hillary-Clinton-evolved-today-yesterday-last-week-in-June-and-in-April


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Hillary Clinton EVOLVED Today, Yesterday, Last Week, In June And In April UPDATED With May! (Original Post) Segami Oct 2015 OP
Kickin' Faux pas Oct 2015 #1
OR maybe OUR shift LEFT is ENABLING HER shift left. Hmmm?? Hortensis Oct 2015 #58
She is consistent on one point: her quest for power. morningfog Oct 2015 #2
Even Bill Segami Oct 2015 #4
Great Line! kracer20 Oct 2015 #17
Nice! daleanime Oct 2015 #18
Spot on post and great description of the Clinton brand..... raindaddy Oct 2015 #37
That's her platform MissDeeds Oct 2015 #13
She just wants to be president. Jester Messiah Oct 2015 #16
Really? You believe that? Darb Oct 2015 #24
You don't? Jester Messiah Oct 2015 #52
Why should I? kenfrequed Oct 2015 #70
I must disagree FlatBaroque Oct 2015 #35
From her voting record, what she wants to do is pretty evident Scootaloo Oct 2015 #86
She evolves so much, Paka Oct 2015 #3
I bet she is a expert at this ... TheFarS1de Oct 2015 #5
To be accurate, she would hand it over to consultants who would water it down,... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #6
what's that saying? crystal dawn Oct 2015 #7
Actually, a more appropriate saying would be: mak3cats Oct 2015 #8
I think you may be forgetting that Hillary's done this before. Old Crow Oct 2015 #9
/\_/\_This right here_/\_/\ Scuba Oct 2015 #12
Whoa! This IS a novel concept... PatrickforO Oct 2015 #55
I think the concern is that once in office, hughee99 Oct 2015 #10
Hardly. TM99 Oct 2015 #14
As I have been saying, her campaign slogon should be, "Yeah, me too!" Javaman Oct 2015 #11
Best post title EVER! in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #15
I hope you're right. Old Crow Oct 2015 #20
We now have the Interwebs! Most people get their information online. in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #26
Thanks Bernie!! lobodons Oct 2015 #19
Except it's not genuine. in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #23
Where did the cartoon come from? whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #21
Phhhhhhew, thank goodness, another Hillary attack post. Darb Oct 2015 #22
The Outrage factory runs 24/7. JoePhilly Oct 2015 #25
Just like when the Weatherman attacked South Carolina by pointing out that it was raining. Fuddnik Oct 2015 #28
It is still early in the day. Even the revelation of the massive GOP Bgazhi fraud has gone Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #43
The extreme Left is having a sad because Clinton is moving towards their policies.....why the sad?? Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #27
That's a strawman argument if ever there was one. Old Crow Oct 2015 #29
How long to the election? Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #39
395 days. Old Crow Oct 2015 #41
Thanks! My work here is done! Is Bernie to be trusted on gun control? Leave you with that thought. Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #44
Okay... Old Crow Oct 2015 #47
He supported every one of Obama's proposed gun control measures AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #78
Another hit and run? d_legendary1 Oct 2015 #87
We've been watching this show for over 20 years now. Fuddnik Oct 2015 #30
of course she's not to be trusted. magical thyme Oct 2015 #48
She's one of us now? HassleCat Oct 2015 #56
"Us" versus "them" is too simplistic for me. Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #62
Mirroring Bernie's positions.. Segami Oct 2015 #69
She claimed to be an unapologetic centrist two weeks ago. HooptieWagon Oct 2015 #83
But if she has 'evolved' into those positions because her poll numbers are going PatrickforO Oct 2015 #59
Here is the point I have made, explained in more detail: Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #61
Uhm no... kenfrequed Oct 2015 #71
I thought Sanders was a 'far left' extremist? AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #76
This is the problem with identity politics Fairgo Oct 2015 #88
Just wondering when Bernie is going to complete his evolution on gun bills. Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #31
Based on your post... Old Crow Oct 2015 #34
Don't hold your breath. in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #63
He isn't flip flopping as much as not telling everyone he leans nut case with guns, voting against uponit7771 Oct 2015 #77
K & R !!! WillyT Oct 2015 #32
She didn't "evolve" on this issue. The fact is that the document SHE was in favor of.... George II Oct 2015 #33
Objectivity would require being informed about both the trade deal and Clinton's detailed Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #40
The document was crappy even when she was working on it Art_from_Ark Oct 2015 #91
She probably never believed her crap any ways. Lunabell Oct 2015 #36
This about sums it up Lunabell Oct 2015 #45
If this shit isn't passing the smell test with Democrats, imagine the hay the pukes are going to Ed Suspicious Oct 2015 #38
Clinton is damaged and the establishment wing of the Democratic party PatrickforO Oct 2015 #68
She can evolve in different directions simultaneously!! Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2015 #42
lol questionseverything Oct 2015 #74
they forgot that she was a progressive candidate all summer, until "guilty as charged" of being magical thyme Oct 2015 #46
Stay tuned... Old Crow Oct 2015 #49
Monday is going to be a very interesting day. magical thyme Oct 2015 #51
Do tell. Please? PM me if you'd prefer. Thanks. (N/T) Old Crow Oct 2015 #53
Ruh Roh! Reminder added to phone! in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #64
Haha! Isn't that the truth!! (nt) Ino Oct 2015 #66
but what about her crying poor supporters struggling with the impotence stupidicus Oct 2015 #50
I understand it's possible to buy clothing that changes color while you are wearing it. jalan48 Oct 2015 #54
Ha ha ha! Great comic relief there. Old Crow Oct 2015 #60
Hillary Joining Protests Against TPP? Really? Not!!!!!! Yallow Oct 2015 #57
NO ONE is buying what she's selling. in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #65
K and R bigwillq Oct 2015 #67
"Hillary Expected to Adopt All of Sanders’s Positions by Noon" Go Vols Oct 2015 #72
People with solid core beliefs don't 'evolve' AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #73
Except for Sanders on the Brady Bill, Immigration, racism vs economic parity... uponit7771 Oct 2015 #79
Racism vs economy? AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #80
yeah, that's the only evolution of his I pointed out... take the seemingly low hanging fruit and... uponit7771 Oct 2015 #81
Projection AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #82
red herring, Sanders can throw no stones in that category uponit7771 Oct 2015 #84
Projection is all they have AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #85
Sanders has never evolved on anything... good for him !!!! uponit7771 Oct 2015 #75
It's really pathetic Bernblu Oct 2015 #89
She'll "evolve" big time to the right jfern Oct 2015 #90

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
58. OR maybe OUR shift LEFT is ENABLING HER shift left. Hmmm??
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 11:00 AM
Oct 2015

That's how it usually works in a representative democracy, after all. Power ultimately all comes from the people, even if big-times manipulations pre-1930s and post-1970s detour it through other hands.

When we shifted left early last century, our politicians did too. When we shifted right in the late 1970s, our politicians did too. When Big Money bought our representatives for themselves (WITH OUR HELP) our representatives shifted to representing them.

Well, we're shifting left again! Right now. And with it we are ENABLING liberal politicians to once again embrace pre-1970s ideals.

We are seeing that happen now in the positions being taken by Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, Martin O'Malley, and Hillary Clinton, in order of strong to moderate liberals.

Please note, THIS is why most people never heard of Sanders before he stepped up to take the torch Elizabeth Warren took.

BTW, speaking of flipping, did you know Warren was a lifelong Republican, including all through the transfer of national power to Big Money and dismantling of every type of regulation during the Reagan Era? Until 1995.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
2. She is consistent on one point: her quest for power.
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 08:15 AM
Oct 2015

All the flips, flops, mealy mouths, dodges and lies are a result of her want to attain power.

 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
4. Even Bill
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 08:19 AM
Oct 2015

has flipped on his policies just in time to accommodate her Democratic nomination campaign. They prepare the theater of illusions and expect us to just sit down and enjoy their act.

kracer20

(199 posts)
17. Great Line!
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 09:23 AM
Oct 2015

"They prepare the theater of illusions and expect us to just sit down and enjoy their act."

Very nicely worded Segami!

raindaddy

(1,370 posts)
37. Spot on post and great description of the Clinton brand.....
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 10:23 AM
Oct 2015

Their whole campaign depends on uninformed voters and the corporate media does their best to deliver..Hopefully more and more people will begin to see through their "theater of illusions"..

 

Jester Messiah

(4,711 posts)
16. She just wants to be president.
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 09:22 AM
Oct 2015

No idea what she wants to actually DO with the presidency, she just wants the power and to go down in history as the first woman president.

 

Darb

(2,807 posts)
24. Really? You believe that?
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 09:39 AM
Oct 2015

I feel sorry for you. I admit she is a political being, for sure. But doesn't have any reasons for wanting to be the President? Doubt that.

Take a step back and imagine another Republican as President as opposed to Hillary, just for giggles.

 

Jester Messiah

(4,711 posts)
52. You don't?
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 10:53 AM
Oct 2015

I'll clarify and say that she doesn't have any set policy agenda, besides greasing the wheels for the corporate interests that aim to put her on top. There is no case for a Hillary presidency otherwise, except the "she's better than a republican" rationale that you're advancing. To that, I say "not by much." It's just a matter of whether or not you prefer your pro-corporate warhawkery with a side of religious derp or not.

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
70. Why should I?
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 01:14 PM
Oct 2015

Bernie is a far better candidate in every respect and will thoroughly trounce whatever DOA candidate falls out of the Clown car next year.

Primaries are for putting our best foot forward, now Wallstreet's choice, but the choice of the people.

FlatBaroque

(3,160 posts)
35. I must disagree
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 10:17 AM
Oct 2015

someone who seeks power to this maniacal extent certainky has an idea of what she wants to get done....and NONE OF IT is good.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
86. From her voting record, what she wants to do is pretty evident
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 02:22 PM
Oct 2015

Voted for the Iraq war. voted against the Levin amendment. Voted for Kyl-Lieberman. Voted for the Patriot Act. Voted against an amendment barring use of cluster munitions in civilian areas.

Paka

(2,760 posts)
3. She evolves so much,
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 08:17 AM
Oct 2015

the spin makes me dissy.

I don't like being dissy. I prefer a solid steady hand at the helm.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
6. To be accurate, she would hand it over to consultants who would water it down,...
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 08:32 AM
Oct 2015

...then come forward with language that sounds like she supports it but gives her an out.

crystal dawn

(85 posts)
7. what's that saying?
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 08:32 AM
Oct 2015

damned if you do, damned if you don't.


seems to apply even when she agrees to agree with what you agree with

Old Crow

(2,212 posts)
9. I think you may be forgetting that Hillary's done this before.
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 08:47 AM
Oct 2015

When she was a candidate in 2008, she started voicing misgivings about NAFTA, which she had championed as First Lady. Once in Obama's administration, she was suddenly fine with it. Ergo, it's not just a matter of her changing her mind to a better position. It's a matter of her temporarily voicing liberal positions to get votes, then taking a corporatist lean to the right once in office.

PatrickforO

(14,516 posts)
55. Whoa! This IS a novel concept...
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 10:57 AM
Oct 2015

that we should judge these politicians by what they DO instead of what they SAY.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
10. I think the concern is that once in office,
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 08:49 AM
Oct 2015

Do you trust her not to "evolve" again. It's tough to tell if a candidate has actually had a fundamental change of heart on an issue, or if they're just trying to pull a bait and switch. I'd be interested to know what information changed her mind.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
14. Hardly.
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 09:07 AM
Oct 2015

I want to elect a leader for president. That is someone who is consistent in their positions from the get go. They speak out on unpopular issues even if it might cost them votes.

I don't want someone who says what I want to hear only when an election is imminent. That is not leadership. That is pandering for the promotion of a political agenda. In Hillary Clinton's case that is getting elected president no matter what.

No thanks!

Javaman

(62,439 posts)
11. As I have been saying, her campaign slogon should be, "Yeah, me too!"
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 09:00 AM
Oct 2015

she's become "quite the leftie liberal" after Bernies numbers started threatening her.

My vote doesn't matter here in Texas. the repuke mouthbreather candidate will get all the electoral votes.

I'm voting for Bernie even if he doesn't get the nomination.

I can't stand Hillary.

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
15. Best post title EVER!
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 09:16 AM
Oct 2015


Great cartoon too!

Man Oh man...her evolution is going to cost her Big Time. I wonder what brainiac decided she should evolve out of control?

Whew. This is baaaaad.

Old Crow

(2,212 posts)
20. I hope you're right.
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 09:34 AM
Oct 2015

I'm not quite so confident because the average voter out there pays about 10% as much attention to this stuff as we do. Most Americans can't find Iraq or Afghanistan on a map. Expecting them to know not only what the candidates' positions are, but also the history of their positions, is asking a lot.

That said, one thing the general public does get is an overall sense of a candidate. And manuevers like this are a lot of the reason people say they just don't trust Hillary Clinton.

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
26. We now have the Interwebs! Most people get their information online.
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 09:46 AM
Oct 2015

Smartphones, iPads, tablets, laptops and desktops are the norm now. Most computer home pages give an overview of the days news. Hillary's speedy evolution to the Left won't go unnoticed by most people. It's EVERYWHERE online...everywhere. This isn't going to help her.

 

lobodons

(1,290 posts)
19. Thanks Bernie!!
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 09:30 AM
Oct 2015

As a Hillary Supporter, I think her "Evolving" has been in large part due to Bernie in the race. Definitely like her ticking to the left!!

 

Darb

(2,807 posts)
22. Phhhhhhew, thank goodness, another Hillary attack post.
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 09:37 AM
Oct 2015

I was worried we might not meet our quota.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
43. It is still early in the day. Even the revelation of the massive GOP Bgazhi fraud has gone
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 10:40 AM
Oct 2015

almost unnoticed.....the enemy camp is the camp within and no one is going to change their minds about that.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
27. The extreme Left is having a sad because Clinton is moving towards their policies.....why the sad??
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 09:47 AM
Oct 2015

And has everyone in the extreme Left thrown away their election calendar schedules??

Is Clinton not to be "trusted"? Is that what it boils down to? So stop with the policy attacks and just say that!

Obviously "no trust" has to be the ultimate defence in order to attack Clinton policy moving to the left....policies, or lack of stated positions, that where attacked when the policy was not moving as desired also....I get it, it is the logical thing to do to then cry "no trust"!

What does she have to do, make a pinky swear with everyone and take her shoes off so as to reveal the crossing of toes?

The linked OP kind of lays bare how it was never about policy positions on Clinton for the extreme Left, it was just about some unresolved general hostility towards her and her twice elected President husband.

Moving left, demanding she be more leftist and when she does....being even more outraged?! That makes no sense, but it is revealing of inner motive, so.....All righty, then!

Old Crow

(2,212 posts)
29. That's a strawman argument if ever there was one.
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 09:55 AM
Oct 2015

The people in this thread haven't been "demanding that she be more leftist."

Rather, they've been supporting a candidate who is now, and who has been, a real progressive. Their complaint with Clinton is the sheer transparency of it all: Ten days before a debate, she's dressing herself up in new progressive garb, and trying to pretend she's something that she's not.

Old Crow

(2,212 posts)
47. Okay...
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 10:44 AM
Oct 2015

It is if you say so.

Regarding gun control: Yeah, I can trust him. I'm pretty sure where he stands. Personally, I'd like to see the U.S. adopt gun control regulations similar to those enacted in Australia in 1996. But that's a tall order, and I'll take moderate reforms over nothing.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
78. He supported every one of Obama's proposed gun control measures
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 01:40 PM
Oct 2015

After Sandy Hook.

I bet you didn't even know this, did you?

d_legendary1

(2,586 posts)
87. Another hit and run?
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 02:25 PM
Oct 2015

Yep. Your work is done here. Pick up a pair of these on your way out:

?color=Black&height=460&width=460&qv=90

Fuddnik

(8,846 posts)
30. We've been watching this show for over 20 years now.
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 09:55 AM
Oct 2015

Calculated and fake then. Even more calculated and fake now.

It's always been about policy positions. She changes costumes so much, nobody can believe anything she says. She has a long history. We all know it. We ain't buyin' it.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
48. of course she's not to be trusted.
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 10:47 AM
Oct 2015

"Is Clinton not to be "trusted"? Is that what it boils down to? So stop with the policy attacks and just say that!"

The "policy attacks" are simply pointing out one set of reasons why she is not trustworthy.

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
56. She's one of us now?
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 10:59 AM
Oct 2015

I guess her new policy positions make her part of the "extreme left." Maybe tomorrow or next week, we'll hear about universal health insurance or something like that.

 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
69. Mirroring Bernie's positions..
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 01:06 PM
Oct 2015

by default qualifies her as a Democratic Socialist.......she's NOT moderate anymore.




 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
83. She claimed to be an unapologetic centrist two weeks ago.
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 01:46 PM
Oct 2015

Is she going to apologize for pretending to appear a democratic socialist? I can't keep up with her daily flip flops.

PatrickforO

(14,516 posts)
59. But if she has 'evolved' into those positions because her poll numbers are going
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 11:01 AM
Oct 2015

down, then the new positions really aren't hers after all, are they? They are merely an expedient designed to get the votes of the Democratic base back from Bernie.

Unfortunately for Clinton, Bernie has a consistent 40 year track record of promoting the same positions he is promoting now.

That's the difference here, and it is a huge one.

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
71. Uhm no...
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 01:18 PM
Oct 2015

The "ultimate defense" will be the fact that Bernie was decades ahead of his time and doesn't have large donors that he has to answer to.

I don't know how I can be convinced that someone will cash the checks of the banks, Wallstreet, and drug companies on Tuesday and then effectively regulate them on Thursday.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
76. I thought Sanders was a 'far left' extremist?
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 01:38 PM
Oct 2015

Now you support 'far left' extremist positions, cuz you know, Hillary!?!

Fairgo

(1,571 posts)
88. This is the problem with identity politics
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 05:25 PM
Oct 2015

It softens the minds of the followers until they support anything the suit does.

The argument that supporting a proxy who represents nothing more than prevailing wind is better than supporting one's values candidate in the face of an opposing but equally substantive set of counter values, is a specious one. In the laboratory of democracy we can hold those values up, and even if one loses to to the other, eventually good values will out. When your system becomes almost completely relativisitic you have no gauge of what has been learned...indeed, the point is that nothing is supposed to be learned. You've lost the crucible in which democracy is formed. And more pernicious, you have allowed the one true value behind this model to hide behind an ever-shifting curtain of distraction. When the proxy is motivated solely by what will put them in power, power is revealed as the only value left on the stage. And I do not care how beneficient the actor presently on stage may be, the understudy waits in the wings, and the backers of the play are counting money in the dark.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
31. Just wondering when Bernie is going to complete his evolution on gun bills.
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 09:55 AM
Oct 2015

He has been running back and forth for years.

Old Crow

(2,212 posts)
34. Based on your post...
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 10:16 AM
Oct 2015

... I actually tried, in good faith, to find evidence of Sanders flip-flopping "back and forth" on gun control. I couldn't. What I found is that he's been quite consistent, and for decades has been protecting gun rights of rural hunters but opposing military-style weapons.

If you have any informaton on "back and forth" policy changes, I'd be interested in a link. I'm trying to educate myself on the topic, so the request is sans snark, as it were.

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
63. Don't hold your breath.
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 11:47 AM
Oct 2015

They like to spew their lies with nothing to back them up. Your take on Bernie's gun control policy is spot on. He has said the same thing for years. The NRA doesn't like his stances on guns and has consistently given him D- or F ratings.

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
77. He isn't flip flopping as much as not telling everyone he leans nut case with guns, voting against
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 01:39 PM
Oct 2015

... the Brady Bill and what not

George II

(67,782 posts)
33. She didn't "evolve" on this issue. The fact is that the document SHE was in favor of....
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 10:11 AM
Oct 2015

...."evolved", and was no longer the document that she worked on as Secretary of State.

One should watch the video or read her statement objectively.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
40. Objectivity would require being informed about both the trade deal and Clinton's detailed
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 10:38 AM
Oct 2015

statement....as you can see neither either is likely, and the election calendar is still lost at sea.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
91. The document was crappy even when she was working on it
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 05:45 AM
Oct 2015

A former Japanese Minister of Agriculture, Forestry and Fisheries (MAFF), who was involved with working on the TPP while Hillary was SoS and calling it a "gold standard", said that it was crap even then. Too many giveaways to corporations, few if any benefits to the average citizen. And the debates in the Japanese Parliament at the time also made it clear that TPP was supported by "free-traders", but had opposition from both sides of the aisle.

Here's what some Japanese politicians had to say about it a few months after Hillary left State:

TPPが自由貿易というのは真っ赤なウソ。TPPはアメリカの、アメリカによる、アメリカのための利益追求システム」――。

"Saying TPP is free trade is a big, fat Lie. TPP is a system of, by and for America to pursue profits"

The former MAFF minister (Masahiko Yamada) had this to say about USTR Michael Froman,
私に言わせれば、アメリカの多国籍企業の投資家の代理人みたいな人」

"If you ask me, he (Froman) looks like a representative of investors of American multinational corporations".

And as early as November 2011, Yamada had founded the "TPP wo Shinchou ni Kangaeru Kai" ("The Society for Seriously Considering the TPP&quot along with 100+ other Japanese politicians to examine the many unfavorable issues with the TPP, including "abolition of tariffs, residual farm chemicals, chemical food additives, changing GMO regulations, reducing the basic amounts of government procurements, changing the national health care system, the introduction of the Investor-State Dispute Settlement system, environmental problems, changes in the intellectual property rights system, and adverse impacts on public companies", among other things.

https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/TPPを慎重に考える会

TPP was bad then, it is bad now.










Lunabell

(5,919 posts)
36. She probably never believed her crap any ways.
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 10:20 AM
Oct 2015

He former positions were for political expedience. I don't trust a word out of HRC's mouth, but she is better than any damned rethuglican out there and will hold my nose and vote for her if she wins the nomination.

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
38. If this shit isn't passing the smell test with Democrats, imagine the hay the pukes are going to
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 10:35 AM
Oct 2015

make out of it. John Kerry will look like he was a rock by comparison. She is done. Sorry, but it's time to start looking at Bernie or O'Malley. Or, against my better judgement, Biden.

PatrickforO

(14,516 posts)
68. Clinton is damaged and the establishment wing of the Democratic party
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 11:59 AM
Oct 2015

is alarmed. No one in that establishment wants Bernie because he's telling the truth about things they don't want us to think about.

He's rocking the old boat.

Upsetting the apple cart.

I'm thinking that during the month after the debate, Joe Biden will suddenly announce his candidacy and Clinton's donor base will start drying up. The corporate super PACS will switch allegiance and it will be Bernie against Joe instead of Bernie against Hillary. I like Joe a bit better than Hillary, true - he's not quite so much of a poll-driven wind sock - but am in 99% agreement with Bernie on issues.

I'm sticking with Bernie, but Biden would be OK. I mean, I wouldn't have to hold my nose as much voting for him as for Clinton.

But I still want Bernie.

questionseverything

(9,631 posts)
74. lol
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 01:37 PM
Oct 2015


we had a family gathering last night,the talk turned to the primaries, from the 11 year old to the 70 year olds, everyone supports bernie

we are all basically dems but some have libertarian leanings as in they still believe in the Constitution,some are fiscally conservative (do not want there money wasted on wars), some are very socialist,believe healthcare is a right...but every single one wants bernie to become president
 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
46. they forgot that she was a progressive candidate all summer, until "guilty as charged" of being
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 10:44 AM
Oct 2015

a moderate candidate, until just this week when she became the "real, true progressive."

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
51. Monday is going to be a very interesting day.
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 10:51 AM
Oct 2015

I'm putting it in my calendar. She's about to be hit by an October surprise. Right before the debate.

 

stupidicus

(2,570 posts)
50. but what about her crying poor supporters struggling with the impotence
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 10:50 AM
Oct 2015

they discover every time a critique is posted?

Maybe she can dishonestly dodge her the concerns her critics might have with the dizziness and subsequent/consequent judgement questions that arise from spinning so feverishly in an effort to find a political safe harbor from her past positions and the ones she needs now...

As we can see, her supporters try and fail miserably everytime she's put on the hot seat around here.

They "debate" like their rightwing cousins -- never seen a logical fallacy or subject change they didn't like if it provides some respite from the brutal realities their poor damsel is confronted with, and especially those of her own undeniable making, like the case at bar here...

jalan48

(13,797 posts)
54. I understand it's possible to buy clothing that changes color while you are wearing it.
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 10:56 AM
Oct 2015

I see a big opportunity to make money in the "Hillary Clinton" line of pants suits.

 

Yallow

(1,926 posts)
57. Hillary Joining Protests Against TPP? Really? Not!!!!!!
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 11:00 AM
Oct 2015

Not like she really opposes it.

That could weaken her Wall Street cash spigot.

She just wants to fool progressives who worry about things like labor, and the environment.

BAIT AND SWITCH

Don't be fooled.

Go Vols

(5,902 posts)
72. "Hillary Expected to Adopt All of Sanders’s Positions by Noon"
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 01:23 PM
Oct 2015
Within minutes of Sanders’s entry into the Democratic race, Clinton released position papers on trade, income inequality, national defense, and the environment that meticulously aped the Vermont senator’s views on those matters.

Awaking at 8 A.M., Sanders, who had planned to run to the left of Clinton in 2016, discovered that, while he was sleeping, she had already begun running slightly to the left of him.

In an online video posted Thursday morning, Clinton welcomed Sanders to the race, adding, “To those who agree with Bernie Sanders on the issues, let me say this: I am Bernie Sanders.”

Sanders, who had scheduled a speech in Vermont for 11 A.M. on Thursday, cancelled it abruptly, saying, “Hillary already said everything I was going to say an hour ago.”


http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/hillary-expected-to-adopt-all-of-sanderss-positions-by-noon

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
79. Except for Sanders on the Brady Bill, Immigration, racism vs economic parity...
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 01:40 PM
Oct 2015

... and... and!?

sigh, none of these candidates can throw stones

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
80. Racism vs economy?
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 01:43 PM
Oct 2015

lol you guys are still pushing that made up nonsense?

Hillary effortlessly switches positions based on which way the political winds are blowing on any given day. Evolution you can count on!

Cuz, you know, Hillary!!!

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
81. yeah, that's the only evolution of his I pointed out... take the seemingly low hanging fruit and...
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 01:45 PM
Oct 2015

... dismiss it outright with no facts hunh?

ok...

They've all evolved during this year,... and that's a good thing... none of them are throwing stones in that category

NOT

ONE

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
85. Projection is all they have
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 01:53 PM
Oct 2015

Can't wait til the first debate. Will be fun to see Hillary attemption to defend Bernies, er I mean her new positions.

Bernblu

(441 posts)
89. It's really pathetic
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 03:57 AM
Oct 2015

that she can't run on the ideas she believes in - third-way politics and neo-liberal economics. It's going to be the death of the Democratic party if their candidates continue to run as pretend progressives and then govern as third-way neo-liberals. The voters are catching on and that was a big reason voter turnout was only 37% in 2014. If she can't run on her own ideas and beliefs she should get out the race.

jfern

(5,204 posts)
90. She'll "evolve" big time to the right
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 04:50 AM
Oct 2015

sometime between getting the nomination and becoming President. It's a fact. She thinks primary voters are morons.

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