New Poll: Monmouth: HRC 48%, BS 21%, JB 17%

[JaneyVee]

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/trackers/2015-10-19/clinton-support-rises-to-48-after-debate-monmouth-poll

[DemocratSinceBirth]

1. If Joe gets in he will lose...

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As you can see by my avatar I am a huge boxing fan...

There is a saying in boxing that "old boxers don't paint great canvases, they become part of them."

My advice to Joe is there is no shame in quitting while you're ahead.

[NCTraveler]

3. I would have cheered Biden entering before the first debate.

I would not have given him my vote but I would have stood up for him at every turn. Now, not sure about that. I don't think many have really looked at how much time he has taken to make this decision. If one takes this long, they shouldn't be entering the race for the Presidency. At this point we know it wasn't all about family and soul searching. It's about watching the numbers. Something I fully understand and appreciate but I don't respect the deeply personal decision rhetoric anymore. That isn't what it is about and he dragged it out to the point it is obvious.

[NurseJackie]

13. My thoughts as well …

I'd always suspected that his stated reasons for delaying any announcement was so that he could better asses the situation and his chances of being successful. Of course, family matters are a part of the overall decision process, but that element can be determined in much less time than he's taken so far.

At this point, it appears that he's poll-watching and trying to figure out of there's enough donors left that will make him a viable candidate.

Nobody wants their (likely) last campaign to be unsuccessful, so I can understand his being hesitant. He's not the type of candidate who would run for pure vanity reasons. He's also not the type of candidate who would run simply to shape the debate or to pull the party further in one direction or the other. He'd only run if he truly believed that he could win it.

I think he's smart enough to know that he's not likely to win the nomination.

[still_one]

34. I don't know about cheering, but I would have respected him more if he decides to run. I don't have

much respect for him anymore. This is the same Joe Biden who would not permit other witnesses to testify on behalf of Anita Hill at the Clarence Thomas hearings, and at the same time pontificated the other side was playing advocate for Thomas. Joe, NO one was an advocate for Anita Hill, and it was you and the Democrats who invited her to testify on sexual harassment charges against Thomas, and then left her hanging.

[BlueCheese]

5. I'm already tired of hearing about him.

I also really don't see his appeal. I don't see anything he offers that isn't covered by Clinton, Sanders, or O'Malley.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

6. He occupies the same ideological space as Clinton and O'Malley. In fact he's a bit to their right...

Let me preface my remarks by saying I am Barack Obama's most stalwart supporter but Hillary benefits from that she gets to run on everything people like about his policies and none of the stuff people dislike. Biden, as the sitting vice president, has to run on all of it...

[Romulox]

8. Biden will split the Center/Right vote in the primaries. That's why Hillary is scared. nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

15. Somebody should be scared but it isn't Hillary.

"Biden will split the Center/Right vote in the primaries. That's why Hillary is scared."

Further analysis of these results indicates that even if all those
very likely to support Biden actually switch their vote, Clinton would maintain a lead of 42% to 27% for
Biden, with Sanders falling to third place at 20%



http://tinyurl.com/nv9rcnc

If Biden gets in ,HRC will still have a solid lead in the polls, the battle between her and Joe will consume all the free media coverage, thus leaving none for the septuagenarian independent from Vermont.

[Romulox]

16. Your poll is *national*. The Primary/Caucus system is state-by-state. Hope this helps.

You are so often confused on some of these matters. Perhaps taking some time to familiarize yourself with the process will help you enjoy your participation here more.

[juajen]

18. HMMM, judgemental much.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

19. My response to your thinly veiled attack on my intellect.

You are so often confused on some of these matters. Perhaps taking some time to familiarize yourself with the process will help you enjoy your participation here more.

Bernie Sanders' support is a mile deep and an inch wide and is mostly confined to homogeneous hamlets. Please post polling results from heterogeneous states like Florida, South Carolina, Nevada, California, New York, Georgia, North Carolina, et cetera.

Thank you in advance.

That being said, if I was approaching these discussions from a position of intellectual inferiority I might be tempted to camouflage it by patronizing my interlocutors as well but my stellar character would prevent me from doing so.


In that vein you shouldn't feel superior to anybody.

[Romulox]

21. "No one can make you feel inferior without your consent."

That being said. if I was approaching these discussions from a position of intellectual inferiority I might be tempted to camouflage it by patronizing my interlocutors as well but my stellar character would prevent me from doing so.

If your "interlocutor" was someone as sensitive as you are, the temptation might prove irresistible!

That said, my point stands!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

25. I will just defer to the dispassionate judgments of Lisa D and juajen

[Romulox]

28. You continue to do a disservice to your avatar. Oh well.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

31. I honor him by deflecting every one of your below the belt shots with verve and humor.

[Romulox]

37. The mind balks at the thought of an Ali who is in constant need of third party protection.

And who is a servant of the status quo.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

38. He would prefer the status quo to the dystopia that would ensue when the GOP handily defeated Bernie

[Romulox]

39. Impossible is just a big word thrown around by small men who find it easier to live in the world...

Impossible is just a big word thrown around by small men who find it easier to live in the world they’ve been given, than to explore the power they have to change it. Impossible is not a fact. It’s an opinion. Impossible is not a declaration. It’s a dare. Impossible is potential. Impossible is temporary. Impossible is nothing.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

40. “In man's struggle against the world, bet on the world.”

-Franz Kafka

[1StrongBlackMan]

41. LOL ... Perfect reply! n/t

[Lisa D]

23. +1

[DemocratSinceBirth]

30. Thank you... I will dispense with the highfalutin rhetoric and uses a colloquialism.

It was a cheap shot dressed up in highfalutin language to make it look grand.

[workinclasszero]

36. Yeah if Joe gets in all the news would be about

him and Hillary.

Bernie would dissappear.

[72DejaVu]

32. On the other hand...

There is a segment of Bernie's support that is not positive towards him, but has gravitated to him as the anti-Clinton, not based on their relative positions, but just on dislike for her. A chunk of those folks may flip to Biden.

[lunamagica]

2. K&R. I guess the debates weren't the game changer some thought they'd be

It's amazing how some thought that someone like Hillary could be crushed in a debate.

I think they were expecting ner to be a babbling and stammering fool, shaking in her shoes with intimidation at the mere presence of Sanders.

Well...Surprise!

[JaneyVee]

4. +1

[juajen]

20. Plus 2

[redwitch]

7. I don't think too many thought that.

She is polished, poised and professional. Any who thought she would be unprepared for anything asked of her is delusional. It didn't hurt either that Bernie Standers helped her with his "your damn emails" comment. Her response to that was wonderful. They both looked like good people for it.

[lunamagica]

14. Well, not you, and probably not most, but defenetly there were some that really believed

she'd implode on stage.

I agree that they both looked like good people woth the emails comment

[juajen]

22. That was a really sweet moment for both of them.

I believe we should mimic their reaction, and have respect for people who disagree with us.

[uponit7771]

27. I disagree, behind MOST of the calls for more debates was Sanders presumed strength in debating IMHO

[uponit7771]

26. I don't see too many calls for more debates either

[stonecutter357]

9. K&R!

[Stuckinthebush]

10. This note from the poll is interesting

NOTE: Clinton’s support is up from 42% a month ago; Sanders is about the same vs 20% last month; Biden’s support is down from 22%

I think you are seeing voters settling down with their decisions. Barring any major mishap in future debates, it is all Hillary.

[oasis]

11. Looks as if Hillary will win doing it her way.

[Armstead]

17. Hillary and the Elite Corporate Establishment doing it Their Way

[DCBob]

12. Take Biden out.. I imagine it would be about 60-25.

[uponit7771]

24. BIDEN IS NOT RUNNING!!

[JaneyVee]

29. Are you sure?

[enid602]

33. witchhunt

I think Biden was urged to run to ensure we have a strong dem candidate, should the witchhunt against Hillary proved successful. He is a patriot.

[workinclasszero]

35. Wow Hillary way out in front!

[Cha]

42. Thank you, Janey~