2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThe Monmouth poll included NO new voters. Only 24% age 49 and under.
Monmouth Iowa PollThe Monmouth University Poll
was sponsored and conducted by the Monmouth University Polling Institute from October 22
to 25, 2015 with a statewide random sample of 400 Iowa voters drawn from a list of registered Democratic voters who voted in at least one of the last two state primary elections and indicate they are likely to attend the Democratic presidential caucuses
in February 2016. This includes 300 contacted by a live interviewer on a landline telephone and 100 contacted by a live interviewer on a cell phone, in English. Monmouth is responsible for all aspects of the survey design, data weighting and analysis. Final sample is weighted for age and gender based on state registration list information on the pool of voters who participate in primary elections. Data collection support provid
ed by Braun Research (field) and Aristotle (voter list). For
results based on the total sample, one can say with 95% confidence that the error attributab
le to sampling has a maximum margin of plus or minus 4.9 percentage points (unadjusted for sample design). Sampling error can be larger for sub-groups (see table below). In addition to sampling error, one should bear in mind that question wording and practical difficulties in
conducting surveys can introduce error or bias into the findings of opinion polls.
Also Poll Demographics indicate that only 24% of those polled were age 49 and under.
Just those two categories alone leave out many Bernie Sanders supporters.
When a poll giving Hillary a huge lead doesn't include new caucus voters, it needs to be analyzed.
The Loras survey does include more recently registered caucus voters.
Survey conducted with a random sample of registered voters, with phone numbers drawn from official Iowa Secretary of State voter files of those who voted in either the 2012 or 2014 general election or who had registered since December 1, 2014.
This poll includes more voters under age 49.... .37%, still a little under a third.
Loras poll states that only 18% of those polled own a landline. Yet 80.1% of those polled were reached by landline.
My support for Bernie Sanders is growing stronger. Seeing the under-representation of categories of his main supporters in these polls bothers me greatly.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)mythology
(9,527 posts)Which by definition excludes people who haven't voted in a primary before. There is no evidence to support the claim that they will vote as the most likely indicator is previous voting.
questionseverything
(9,657 posts)madfloridian
(88,117 posts)The Monmouth did not even include them at all.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Old people who heard the name Clinton before, and can even remember hearing the name, and so, yeah, that's who they might vote for?
What a stupid poll.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Except that the old people polled can remember hearing the name before.
I wonder how the polls will read when the question is: Are you in favor of Hillary grabbing guns?
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)NRA talking points and lies are not welcome here. And stop insinuating old people are dumb. This is like your 6th post saying this bs.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Telling other people what they can post.
It's not my fault Hillary has painted herself into the gun grabber corner. If she had asked me I would have advised against doing so. But it is good to see some of you upset. It goes to show she is on the losing side when it comes to national elections.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)You were saying?
It's so nice to see you defending the status quo on guns.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Gun control like Bernie is suggesting is not gun grabbing like Hillary is considering.
As to your false accusations about me defending the status quo, that type of falsity is your status quo. You should quit shouting?
Dem2
(8,168 posts)That is SO uncool. What is the purpose of mockery?
artislife
(9,497 posts)Good lord.
smh
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)It seems they aren't.
artislife
(9,497 posts)for the simple reason to keep my resolve not to vote for hills.
And every day, you bring me gems.
Thank you.
Fearless
(18,421 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)I believe that was the excuse Bernie fans had when no one was signing up voters at all of Bernie's famous big rallies.
I guess no one took Politics 101 in Bernie's camp LOL
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)onenote
(42,748 posts)Considering that in 2008, 18-29 year olds made up 22 percent of the caucus goers and 43 percent of the caucus goers were first time participants.
http://politics.nytimes.com/election-guide/2008/results/states/IA.html
questionseverything
(9,657 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Don't forget how things were about seven years ago!
I kind of like the feeling of deja vu.
Only Bernie is actually further ahead than Obama was back then.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)The New Media is now more powerful than they realize.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)in Egypt. I remember seeing an SOS from someone inside Egypt begging the world to intervene as Mubarak was about to shut down the internet. I remember posting the desperate message here not sure if it was true. It was and Social Media followed the story as it was happening on the ground, receiving and forwarding messages from the people who were risking their lives at the time. Our Corporate Media finally tuned in to the story, but way late and were extremely cautious about the coverage due to the fact that Mubarak was an ally of the US.
And I truly believe it was Social Media that protected the life of Aung San Suu Kyi in Burma when the Junta began slaughtering the protesters, mostly monks in that country. Brave souls managed to send out tweets which we on SM forwarded to bring the world's attention to the situation there. We watched for every message which decreased as it became a crime to use Social Media. But it was too late, the story was out there and the world was watching.
OWS also made brilliant use of Social Media. Non coverage by the MSM had little effect in quashing the protests, very different when the Iraq War protests were taking place and the MSM had 'control of the message'.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)real problem among the electorate.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)up with current technology, it kind of blows the math. And when a poll that is supposed to be gauging Primary Candidates, but includes NON candidates, it causes people to question the PURPOSE of the poll.
Old establishment polls need to catch up with today's technology, they have ACKNOWLEDGED this themselves.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)madfloridian
(88,117 posts)that's a time for caution. Really sudden changes make me wonder.
questionseverything
(9,657 posts)DEMOCRATS
Based on questionnaires filled out by voters across the state as they exited the polls.
% of total Obama Edwards Clinton
22% 17-29 years old 57% 14% 11%
22 65 and older 18 22 45
58 Married 28 27 29
42 Single 43 17 24
43 First-time Iowa caucusgoers 26 30 24
22 Labor union member in household 30 24 30
Graphic Graphic: Complete Profile of the Primary Voters
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43% were first time caucus goers...this group is completely overlooked in the poll we are discussing
the 65 plus are way over sampled(39%) in the poll too when in reality they don't come out that strong at 22%
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Yet they are including none in that poll.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)Par for the course with Team Slytherin.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Many times here at DU I see myself and others treated as outside the party. I see the many times it is said or implied that Bernie himself is racist. I have seen a difference between this and other primaries. There are always words between supporters, but this time there is a contempt bordering on hatred.
We are looked upon as interlopers who are meddling in party affairs that were already settled.
So many polls all at once pushing Hillary way way ahead, so many unions jumping in to support her. More congressional endorsements every day. It's like the blessings of heaven came down this week for Hillary.
It's meant to be a turning point in the primary. It was meant to be a clear statement of the outcome.
If it turns out that way, then that's the way it is. Meanwhile it's like the polls, the union endorsements, don't include the people behind Bernie candidacy....us.
It was considered time this week to again make clear the inevitable.
Not so sure how that's going to work.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)madfloridian
(88,117 posts)AGE. What was your age on your last birthday?
3% 18-24
5% 25-34
8% 35-44
17% 45-54
27% 55-64
40% 65 and older
Only 16% under age 44.
That means 84% over age 44, 40% of those over 65.
Excluding most new Bernie voters again.