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madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 06:02 PM Oct 2015

The Monmouth poll included NO new voters. Only 24% age 49 and under.

Monmouth Iowa Poll

The Monmouth University Poll
was sponsored and conducted by the Monmouth University Polling Institute from October 22
to 25, 2015 with a statewide random sample of 400 Iowa voters drawn from a list of registered Democratic voters who voted in at least one of the last two state primary elections and indicate they are likely to attend the Democratic presidential caucuses
in February 2016.
This includes 300 contacted by a live interviewer on a landline telephone and 100 contacted by a live interviewer on a cell phone, in English. Monmouth is responsible for all aspects of the survey design, data weighting and analysis. Final sample is weighted for age and gender based on state registration list information on the pool of voters who participate in primary elections. Data collection support provid
ed by Braun Research (field) and Aristotle (voter list). For
results based on the total sample, one can say with 95% confidence that the error attributab
le to sampling has a maximum margin of plus or minus 4.9 percentage points (unadjusted for sample design). Sampling error can be larger for sub-groups (see table below). In addition to sampling error, one should bear in mind that question wording and practical difficulties in
conducting surveys can introduce error or bias into the findings of opinion polls.


Also Poll Demographics indicate that only 24% of those polled were age 49 and under.

Just those two categories alone leave out many Bernie Sanders supporters.

When a poll giving Hillary a huge lead doesn't include new caucus voters, it needs to be analyzed.

The Loras survey does include more recently registered caucus voters.

Survey conducted with a random sample of registered voters, with phone numbers drawn from official Iowa Secretary of State voter files of those who voted in either the 2012 or 2014 general election or who had registered since December 1, 2014.


This poll includes more voters under age 49.... .37%, still a little under a third.

Loras poll states that only 18% of those polled own a landline. Yet 80.1% of those polled were reached by landline.

My support for Bernie Sanders is growing stronger. Seeing the under-representation of categories of his main supporters in these polls bothers me greatly.






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The Monmouth poll included NO new voters. Only 24% age 49 and under. (Original Post) madfloridian Oct 2015 OP
How can a poll not include new caucus goers? Makes no sense. madfloridian Oct 2015 #1
Because the poll was of likely voters mythology Oct 2015 #25
no evidence except for 08 questionseverything Oct 2015 #31
The Loras poll included those registered for caucus since Dec. 2014 madfloridian Oct 2015 #34
Is the Bernie campaign even registering new voters? JaneyVee Oct 2015 #2
76% are old people? RobertEarl Oct 2015 #5
50 is "old people"? I suppose it is possible Clinton only leads by 30, not 40....best I can do! Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #6
Clinton leads nothing RobertEarl Oct 2015 #7
You really need to drop the gun grabbing bullshit. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #8
You really need to stop RobertEarl Oct 2015 #9
Gun control has big support among gun and non gun owners: JaneyVee Oct 2015 #10
See my OP in GDP RobertEarl Oct 2015 #14
"You should quit shouting?" Dem2 Oct 2015 #37
No, we just plan on storming the castle. artislife Oct 2015 #12
According to some recent articles... JaneyVee Oct 2015 #13
I don't put you on ignore artislife Oct 2015 #17
Yes of course. Fearless Oct 2015 #26
No cause thats the DNC's job. workinclasszero Oct 2015 #32
yes, lots. nt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #42
While Clinton probably leads in Iowa, it's legitimate to question the specific findings of this poll onenote Oct 2015 #3
good link ty questionseverything Oct 2015 #29
OK, will give you 5% points for error, all to Sanders; Clinton only leads by +30. We all good now? Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #4
MOAR POLL UNSKEWING!!!!!! K&R!!!!! MohRokTah Oct 2015 #11
There should be a congressional investigation./nt DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #15
Old establishment polls, old establishment media and old establishment politicians. sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #16
Meanwhile there's a movement growing.... madfloridian Oct 2015 #18
Oh yes, every day, and it's not happening because of the Old Media! sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #20
Social media is powerful madfloridian Oct 2015 #36
Very! It was Social Media that first alerted the world to the uprising against the Dictator, Mubarak sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #38
Statistical math is actually a thing as old as mathematics itself. Not understanding either is a Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #19
It is a problem. When a poll is suppoed to be gauging voters, not ONLY voters who have not caught sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #21
It's amazing how many people blindly accept stats without questioning the validity of the model. nt winter is coming Oct 2015 #24
Benghazi!! DCBob Oct 2015 #22
When all the polls change really big at once.... madfloridian Oct 2015 #23
as it should...who caucused in 08 questionseverything Oct 2015 #27
"43% were first time caucus goers." 2008 madfloridian Oct 2015 #30
You should call them 3 or 4 times to get them to confirm the results...nt SidDithers Oct 2015 #28
Some things are just not joking matters, Sid. madfloridian Oct 2015 #33
Some people just like to post crap Art_from_Ark Oct 2015 #40
Hard to put into words, but things are different this primary. madfloridian Oct 2015 #35
In the Loras poll Hillary still leads with younger voters. DCBob Oct 2015 #39
New Keystone poll: 84% over age 44, 40% of those over 65. 16% under age 44. madfloridian Oct 2015 #41
 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
25. Because the poll was of likely voters
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 08:16 PM
Oct 2015

Which by definition excludes people who haven't voted in a primary before. There is no evidence to support the claim that they will vote as the most likely indicator is previous voting.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
34. The Loras poll included those registered for caucus since Dec. 2014
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 09:08 PM
Oct 2015

The Monmouth did not even include them at all.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
5. 76% are old people?
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 06:16 PM
Oct 2015

Old people who heard the name Clinton before, and can even remember hearing the name, and so, yeah, that's who they might vote for?

What a stupid poll.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
7. Clinton leads nothing
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 06:24 PM
Oct 2015

Except that the old people polled can remember hearing the name before.

I wonder how the polls will read when the question is: Are you in favor of Hillary grabbing guns?

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
8. You really need to drop the gun grabbing bullshit.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 06:36 PM
Oct 2015

NRA talking points and lies are not welcome here. And stop insinuating old people are dumb. This is like your 6th post saying this bs.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
9. You really need to stop
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 06:41 PM
Oct 2015

Telling other people what they can post.

It's not my fault Hillary has painted herself into the gun grabber corner. If she had asked me I would have advised against doing so. But it is good to see some of you upset. It goes to show she is on the losing side when it comes to national elections.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
10. Gun control has big support among gun and non gun owners:
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 06:43 PM
Oct 2015

You were saying?

It's so nice to see you defending the status quo on guns.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
14. See my OP in GDP
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 06:48 PM
Oct 2015

Gun control like Bernie is suggesting is not gun grabbing like Hillary is considering.

As to your false accusations about me defending the status quo, that type of falsity is your status quo. You should quit shouting?

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
17. I don't put you on ignore
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 06:50 PM
Oct 2015

for the simple reason to keep my resolve not to vote for hills.

And every day, you bring me gems.

Thank you.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
32. No cause thats the DNC's job.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 08:47 PM
Oct 2015

I believe that was the excuse Bernie fans had when no one was signing up voters at all of Bernie's famous big rallies.


I guess no one took Politics 101 in Bernie's camp LOL

onenote

(42,748 posts)
3. While Clinton probably leads in Iowa, it's legitimate to question the specific findings of this poll
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 06:13 PM
Oct 2015

Considering that in 2008, 18-29 year olds made up 22 percent of the caucus goers and 43 percent of the caucus goers were first time participants.

http://politics.nytimes.com/election-guide/2008/results/states/IA.html

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
16. Old establishment polls, old establishment media and old establishment politicians.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 06:50 PM
Oct 2015

Don't forget how things were about seven years ago!

I kind of like the feeling of deja vu.

Only Bernie is actually further ahead than Obama was back then.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
20. Oh yes, every day, and it's not happening because of the Old Media!
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 06:55 PM
Oct 2015

The New Media is now more powerful than they realize.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
38. Very! It was Social Media that first alerted the world to the uprising against the Dictator, Mubarak
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 02:31 AM
Oct 2015

in Egypt. I remember seeing an SOS from someone inside Egypt begging the world to intervene as Mubarak was about to shut down the internet. I remember posting the desperate message here not sure if it was true. It was and Social Media followed the story as it was happening on the ground, receiving and forwarding messages from the people who were risking their lives at the time. Our Corporate Media finally tuned in to the story, but way late and were extremely cautious about the coverage due to the fact that Mubarak was an ally of the US.

And I truly believe it was Social Media that protected the life of Aung San Suu Kyi in Burma when the Junta began slaughtering the protesters, mostly monks in that country. Brave souls managed to send out tweets which we on SM forwarded to bring the world's attention to the situation there. We watched for every message which decreased as it became a crime to use Social Media. But it was too late, the story was out there and the world was watching.

OWS also made brilliant use of Social Media. Non coverage by the MSM had little effect in quashing the protests, very different when the Iraq War protests were taking place and the MSM had 'control of the message'.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
19. Statistical math is actually a thing as old as mathematics itself. Not understanding either is a
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 06:55 PM
Oct 2015

real problem among the electorate.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
21. It is a problem. When a poll is suppoed to be gauging voters, not ONLY voters who have not caught
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 07:07 PM
Oct 2015

up with current technology, it kind of blows the math. And when a poll that is supposed to be gauging Primary Candidates, but includes NON candidates, it causes people to question the PURPOSE of the poll.

Old establishment polls need to catch up with today's technology, they have ACKNOWLEDGED this themselves.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
23. When all the polls change really big at once....
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 07:30 PM
Oct 2015

that's a time for caution. Really sudden changes make me wonder.

questionseverything

(9,657 posts)
27. as it should...who caucused in 08
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 08:40 PM
Oct 2015

DEMOCRATS

Based on questionnaires filled out by voters across the state as they exited the polls.
% of total Obama Edwards Clinton
22% 17-29 years old 57% 14% 11%
22 65 and older 18 22 45
58 Married 28 27 29
42 Single 43 17 24
43 First-time Iowa caucusgoers 26 30 24
22 Labor union member in household 30 24 30
Graphic Graphic: Complete Profile of the Primary Voters

///////////////

43% were first time caucus goers...this group is completely overlooked in the poll we are discussing

the 65 plus are way over sampled(39%) in the poll too when in reality they don't come out that strong at 22%

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
35. Hard to put into words, but things are different this primary.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 10:25 PM
Oct 2015

Many times here at DU I see myself and others treated as outside the party. I see the many times it is said or implied that Bernie himself is racist. I have seen a difference between this and other primaries. There are always words between supporters, but this time there is a contempt bordering on hatred.

We are looked upon as interlopers who are meddling in party affairs that were already settled.

So many polls all at once pushing Hillary way way ahead, so many unions jumping in to support her. More congressional endorsements every day. It's like the blessings of heaven came down this week for Hillary.

It's meant to be a turning point in the primary. It was meant to be a clear statement of the outcome.

If it turns out that way, then that's the way it is. Meanwhile it's like the polls, the union endorsements, don't include the people behind Bernie candidacy....us.

It was considered time this week to again make clear the inevitable.



Not so sure how that's going to work.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
41. New Keystone poll: 84% over age 44, 40% of those over 65. 16% under age 44.
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 07:48 PM
Oct 2015
http://www.fandm.edu/uploads/files/639638673736785213-october-2015-franklin-marshall-college-poll.pdf

AGE. What was your age on your last birthday?
3% 18-24
5% 25-34
8% 35-44
17% 45-54
27% 55-64
40% 65 and older

Only 16% under age 44.

That means 84% over age 44, 40% of those over 65.


Excluding most new Bernie voters again.
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