I went to the grocery store today. A Clinton Sanders divergence.

[Aerows]

I blurted out "you have to be shitting me" for 3.98 each for tomatoes. A nice lady I didn't know (know her now) was there and I apologized for the ugly language. We started discussing the economy.

Later, I arrived at the checkout counter, and a lovely African American lady and her child were in the line behind me.

I'm not exactly certain how we got on the topic of voting for Clinton, but the white cashier and the AA standing right by me both said they can't stand her.

I brought up Sanders. "I've heard about him, isn't he the one that is not launching negative campaigns"? I had three different people discussing how much better it would be to elect Sanders. The lady that had a book in front of me stopped and listed places where you could register to vote.

I do more every damn day without getting paid for it to get Bernie Sanders elected than a SuperPAC ever could. So can everybody else. Our daily lives - that is what he wants to improve.

To be honest, I'd be depressed as hell if Hillary Clinton was my candidate, strictly because of the maudlin air that they can't win unless they go into the gutter.

I am *PROUD* of Bernie Sanders.

[JaneyVee]

1. Luckily those vituperative sentiments only exist on DU.

In the real world she was voted most admired women in the world 14x.

[Aerows]

2. Yep.

Talking to people in the grocery store is not a slice of humanity, because no one needs milk, bread and vegetables.

Try it. Stand in a grocery store line and mention Hillary Clinton.

Do it. Red State, Blue State, Purple State.

This is my challenge.

[lewebley3]

121. I talked about Hillary at my church: They are excited to vote for her

[cascadiance]

142. A church is not a "random slice of humanity"...

A store where everyone of those who aren't rich have to go to get food, etc. is a better place to get a snapshot of the middle class (or those who once were part of the middle class) that is more representative of the various segments of society than a church is.

[lewebley3]

144. The Church is not rich either: They love Hillary

[cascadiance]

146. But what about agnostics, Muslims, Jews, and others that aren't Christian?...

Should you be ignoring their opinion when judging what America feels by who you talk to at church? And if it is a protestant church, what about Catholics? Or if at a Catholic church, what about Protestants?...

[lewebley3]

190. Just more groups that are for Hillary: She is very popular

I happen to be Catholic, but one might say a cafeteria Catholic.

[cascadiance]

191. So did you go to a mosque or a synagogue to get more comments...

... from those supporting Hillary to back up your claim that they support her like the ones in your church do?

The point is that when you go to places where the demographics or other characteristics of the crowd is slanted, you really can't make conclusions on how they represent the country's views.

[lewebley3]

193. I work with two muslins; They have invited us to the mosque

The men a were work with are very sexist: but they
know that the GOP on their friends

[lewebley3]

152. They are Americans that vote

[Aerows]

162. It puzzles me

how anyone could think that every day encounters that you have with people is not a reflection of what they think. I'm not sorry that I didn't conduct a poll of 300 land line owners.

I just opened my mouth and asked. I'm not getting paid for it, I'm just doing it anyway.

[Buzz cook]

156. Depends on the grocery store

I'd say each individual store reflect the demographics of the area it serves. No one store can represent all economic, racial, or cultural strata of the US.

[Aerows]

3. One other thing

don't confine it to the grocery store. Do it at the dry cleaners, waiting for your order at a fast food place, while you are getting your oil changed, or whenever you feel comfortable doing so.

DO IT.

That is the best poll you will ever get - face to face.

[JaneyVee]

12. She's ahead what, 61-30 at this point?

Sorry buddy, but everyone I know is voting for Hillary. The only people I've ever heard share vituperative sentiments about HRC are rightwingers and DU.

[Aerows]

19. I dare you

to bring up her name anywhere. The waiting room of the doctors office (Probably time for all of us to get a flu shot, but I digress), getting an oil change, the dry cleaners, even the place you pick up takeout from.

Discuss Hillary Clinton and her many policies.

[JaneyVee]

26. I often talk politics with many people...

You're not enlightening any of us with this "revolutionary" concept of engaging in dialogue.

[Aerows]

28. You mistake me.

I don't think it's revolutionary, it's a reminder to engage in a positive conversation with people.

We all need reminders at times to be kind.

[JaneyVee]

30. I took your challenge numerous times...

All I heard was praise about how "presidential" she seemed at the debate, and how "overly qualified" she is. And I live in a very liberal part of Manhattan NY.

[Aerows]

39. Oh. You live in a very liberal part of Manhattan

Excuse me then for doing the heavy lifting because I live on the Gulf Coast. In Mississippi, and I am still tough enough to inject some liberal into the folks around me.

[JaneyVee]

56. Could the fact that you live in...

MS possibly be the reason you never hear good things about Hillary? Oh wait, your op was about Bernie. Did YOU even take your challenge?

[Aerows]

63. Could be.

But I can get more Bernie Sanders votes by speaking to people than I will get for Hillary.

I have Republican folks saying he is sensible.

How many Republicans in your neighborhood have you flipped?

[JaneyVee]

83. I don't think any Republicans live here.

[Lizzie Poppet]

109. I live in Portland.

Not exactly a conservative bastion...and I seldom hear anyone even talking about Hillary (and if I do, it's most often some variation of "I don't trust her&quot . Bernie stickers seem to outnumber hers by about 5-to-1, easy. I don't think there's ever been a pro-Hillary post in my Facebook feed. I don't know where this big lead in the polls is occurring, but it sure isn't in my orbit.

[Aerows]

178. It boggles my mind

how there can be such high poll numbers of Hillary Clinton winning with so little enthusiasm among the people day to day.

You honestly can't trust the polls anymore, and I'd say that if Bernie was winning them, too.

Our press has become too compromised to trust.

[grasswire]

180. +++this

The only two people I know who support Hillary here are both politicians themselves; a state representative and a city council member who also happens to be a DHS lawyer. Both part of the third way.

[cascadiance]

192. Still waiting to see a crowd of 28,000 or more at a city the size of Portland supporting Hillary....

There's a reason why Bernie's getting those crowds there and Hillary's campaign CAN'T get those kind of crowds supporting her. And it isn't that more people like Hillary than Bernie!!!

[bvar22]

120. I was at an executive team building seminar for a Wall Streeet Bank last weekend,

and everyone I spoke to LOVED Hillary.


You just need to start hanging with some Hedge Fund Managers,
and you'll gain an entirely different insight into Hillary.

[Aerows]

154. LOL

I'm just not hanging out with the right class of people. .

That pleases me.

[Cassiopeia]

181. Manhattan.

Yeah, I'm sure you're speaking to a broad demographic such as people making 7.25/hr with no personal savings or wealth.

Might want to try outside of somewhere property sells in 7 digit territory on the low end.

[litlbilly]

84. I sure as hell dont want to know the people you know then. so sad

[lewebley3]

122. You are right JaneyVee: Women in my family have sent Hillary money

[cascadiance]

143. She was saying about Obama supporters when having that lead in 2007 too!

And guess what, she didn't wind up as president then either did she!

Yes, keep echoing the corporate media meme that she's inevitable like they tried and FAILED to do then, when people were hoping that "Hope and Change" would change things for the better then, when things were screwed up by corporate America then too. Now people are wiser and want more depth than just nebulous promises, which Bernie is offering them.

The Republicans now are divided too, when the Tea Partiers, as deluded and racist as they are, are equally frustrated with corporate Republicans screwing them over too. We're at a time where Americans are looking for some REAL change, not just falsely promised "change" in our government. Hillary doesn't represent that change... Sorry!

[grasswire]

179. you need to get out more, lady nt

[ToxMarz]

95. Yes you probably will get some kind of reaction anywhere you go and mention Clinton

Everyone knows so many truths and lies about her and her President husband. More than they even care to know and most don't know which is true and which is a lie. Not from seeking the information, it's been pounded into their heads by suppoters and detractors alike. So people's reaction will be measurably different and more intense than when compared to the reaction of "I've heard of him, isn't he the one that....".

[AlbertCat]

119. Everyone knows so many truths and lies about her and her President husband.

Just like they know all about Coke and Pespi.

Name recognition is her #1 asset.

[Doctor_J]

5. Right! DU is the only location where Mrs. Clinton is viewed unfavorably!

[Aerows]

7. It's my challenge

Bring up her name anywhere that you have to wait a minute.

See what it gets you.

[NanceGreggs]

81. So she's way ahead in the polls ...

... because nobody likes her?

That's kind of along the lines of "nobody goes there anymore because it's too crowded".

[workinclasszero]

91. Its like deja vu...

...all over again.

Everybody hates Hillary which is why she owns Bernie hard in all the polls.

Poll loser logic I guess?

[msanthrope]

138. Shall I cut your pizza into 6 slices? Not hungry enough for 8? nt

[cascadiance]

145. Maybe if she were further ahead of Sanders than she was against Obama at this point...

... but as STATISTICS AND POLLS SHOW, she IS NOT!!! And I believe that Corporate America is far more interested in keeping Bernie down than they were Obama back in 2007, so he's not doing badly against their Citizen's United enabled power at this point.

[NanceGreggs]

169. This is 2015 ...

... not 2008. And as has been pointed out repeatedly, Bernie Sanders is NO Obama - not even close.

This notion that because Obama - an extraordinary campaigner, politician, eloquent speaker, etc - beat HRC for the nomination seven years ago means that BS will do so as well is - well, just plain silly. Different times, different players, different dynamics.

By your logic, BS should never have entered the race in the first place, because he has lost elections in the past - and, ya know, if he lost an election in the past, that means he's going to lose this one, too.

[cascadiance]

173. Right and THANKFULLY he's not a corporatist pushing TPP like Obama was then too!

Many who voted for Obama then were disappointed when his nebulous references to hope and change about how he'd "renegotiate NAFTA" got him votes against Clinton at the time. But this time around, I think people will be even MORE on board with Sanders when they see he's got more depth in his positions and detail on how he will work to fix the broken and corrupt system that both parties have made with their bargains with the corporate devil with Koch brothers money funding both the Republicans AND the DLC that the Clintons were so much attached to during Bill's presidency then.

YOUR opinion that Sanders is nothing like Obama! Not facts!

Obama probably should be happy that Star Trek's Seven of Nine star Jeri Ryan had a big nasty split with her Republican senator hubby that opened up the senate seat for Obama to get a lot easier than if he had not been a tainted incumbent getting out of the race. He might have lost the race he had for senator then too.

When did I say a pol can't get elected when they've lost in the past? I was just trying to parallel the earlier election which had many of the same dynamics in it that this one has in it (more well known Clinton with better name recognition leading early and falling later). Just because she's ahead, doesn't mean she has it wrapped up. We haven't even had the second debate yet, let alone any primaries. That election shows that with many similarities to this one, the numbers aren't there yet to conclude that its over. Democracy doesn't work that way where decide votes before votes are cast, in case you hadn't heard, even if Clinton people want it to.

Bernie's numbers over the last few months have been growing at a faster pace than Obama's did at that time in his election. And yes, Obama can make the case that he was less opposed by corporate interests than Bernie probably is now. But the dynamics this time is that many of the voters out there of all parties are FED F'ING UP with BOUGHT politicians and the corporate corruption that exists, and that will help Sanders more than any other candidate. Trump is trying to get Republican populists to get on his bandwagon too, but ultimately that won't work for the voters at large.

[NanceGreggs]

175. You know what's funny?

Watching BS supporters claim that BS is nothing like Obama or exactly like Obama, depending on which meme is convenient at the moment.

[Puglover]

137. I live in Minneapolis.

Very liberal city. Last Saturday we had our blocks progressive dinner. 24 folks showed up. White, Asian, AA. Young, elderly and in between.

Politics was not the main topic but when it did come up the UNIVERSAL comment was, "Yeah, like we need another Clinton or Bush."

And we don't have a Republican (that I know of) living on this block.

If Hillary's fans on DU think that EVERYONE is as "excited" about her as they are, they are kidding themselves.

[Aerows]

159. It's point blank

With everyone you ask. We need another Bush or another Clinton like we need an additional hole in our heads.

I do not give a fig what the MSM is pushing - real human beings, people that you talk to are inspired to choose a different candidate. Those two are more of the same.

[tex-wyo-dem]

165. No kidding, I can't tell you how many times...

I've heard from random and known people and seen on Facebook, Twitter, etc:

No more Clintons or Bushes, please!

And this is across the ideological spectrum.

[SusanaMontana41]

185. I'm in

No more Clintons. No more Bushes.

Then Bernie came along. Now I get to vote FOR somebody instead of voting AGAINST somebody.

HUGE difference.

[tex-wyo-dem]

189. .

👍!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

6. Never try to convince somebody of something their whole world view depends on not believing.

EOM

[Aerows]

10. Never try to convince someone

that doesn't actually open their mouth and discuss issues that they can be fixed.

Unless a magical candidate comes along.

[JaneyVee]

23. How is your raccoon bite healing?

I was worried about you there for a while. Hope you're doing better.

[Aerows]

25. Wow, nice.

I guess I'm rabid.

To answer you, I'm doing fantastic. It was a rough couple of months, I had shots injected directly into the bite wound, but you can hardly see it, now.

I would hope that you and yours never endure anything of that sort.

But hey, use any ammunition you can to see if it hits a target?

[JaneyVee]

27. Not everything is an attack.

I'm glad you're feeling better.

We're on each others team.

[Aerows]

29. I suspect that any team

you and I would ever be on would be ... difficult in the ability to produce the desired goals of the team.

[John Poet]

100. That's why we've stopped telling you

what's wrong with Hillary....

[DemocratSinceBirth]

101. Extremism

Extremism in the defense of virtue is no vice. And moderation in the pursuit of disingenuous acceptance is no virtue or to put it colloquially I couldn't care less what some people think of me.

[John Poet]

103. Were you a Goldwater Girl, too?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

106. I am a guy ...I couldn't care less that you thought I was a girl...

I am a guy ...I couldn't care less that you thought I was a girl... I do think your observation reveals more about you, Mr. Poet, than it can ever reveal about me.






Oh, hard for me to be a Goldwater anything as I was a gleam in my father's eye at the time of his doomed presidential candidacy.

[John Poet]

107. I didn't think that.

But with you paraphrasing Goldwater, and Hillary's history, I just couldn't resist saying it.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

108. So you write things you know to be untrue?

" I didn't think that..."


-John Poet

So you write things you know to be untrue?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

111. Mr. Poet insulted/disrespected me first

The right to self defense is well established by custom and by law.

Thank you in advance.


I will add much of my responses are more tongue in cheek than born out of actual malice.

[John Poet]

164. It was a question, wasn't it?

And now you've answered it.

However, I may start referring to all Hillary supporters who paraphrase Goldwater as "Goldwater Girls" regardless of sex... I don't want the guys to feel left out.

[Gore1FL]

125. You can be a fan of goldwater and not be alive in 1964.

I am a fan of Stan Musial, and he was done playing baseball before I was born. He's dead now and I am still a fan

I believe he was pointing out that you were quoting Goldwater in defense of Hillary, which is sort of tragic.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

127. I am not a huge fan of Goldwater but I did appreciate it when be basically told Jerry Falwell....

"You can be a fan of goldwater and not be alive in 1964.

I am a fan of Stan Musial, and he was done playing baseball before I was born. He's dead now and I am still a fan

I believe he was pointing out that you were quoting Goldwater in defense of Hillary, which is sort of tragic.
If ignorance was painful, the Tea Party would support health care."

-Gore1Fl

I am not a huge fan of Barry Goldwater but I did appreciate it when be basically told Jerry Falwell to f--- off, ergo:

"Every good Christian should line up and kick Jerry Falwell's ass."

-Barry Goldwater

I bet given enough time there is something you did I would/could appreciate.


<DSB chuckles as his fan club swells>

[Gore1FL]

131. We agree on a lot of things.

I support Hillary if she gets the nomination, for example.

I do hate it when people misrepresent Sanders or Clinton either positively or negatively. This thread is about as convincing for Sanders as the pay-for poll Hillary thread that you created a while back.

No one can predict the momentum generated in the early contests. In 2003, I wouldn't have bet on Kerry being the nominee in 2004. In 2007, I wouldn't have bet on Obama in 2008. In 1991 I wouldn't have bet on Clinton being the nominee in 2004. In 1987, I wouldn't have bet on Dukakis. In 1983 I predicted Mondale, but I didn't predict the traction Hart had. In 1975 I thought Udall had it.

Will the nominee be Clinton, Sanders or O'Malley in 2016? "There is not enough information to know now" is the correct answer.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

133. Barry Goldwater famously evolved...

Goldwater Defending Clinton; Conservatives Feeling Faint

PHOENIX, March 21— When he said Government had no business trying to outlaw abortion, some people told him to retire from politics.

When he spoke out in favor of a new Phoenix ordinance protecting homosexuals from discrimination, and said they should be able to serve in the military, that got him in more trouble.

And when former Senator Barry Goldwater, an Arizona institution who has been compared with the Grand Canyon among this state's icons, endorsed a Democratic woman for Congress over a self-proclaimed "Goldwater Republican" in 1992, he was called a traitor. The Democrat, Karan English, won. Iconoclasm in Arizona

Now, after Mr. Goldwater said last week that Republicans in Congress should get off President Clinton's back about the Whitewater affair, critics say that the author of "The Conscience of a Conservative," the man sometimes called the father of modern American conservatism, has become -- close your ears, Rush Limbaugh -- a liberal.

...



"A lot of people who think of themselves as Goldwater Republicans do not know what it really means to be a Goldwater Republican," said Tom Paniccia, a former Air Force sergeant who was discharged from the military last year after he had proclaimed his homosexuality. "He has always had a near libertarian stance on keeping government out of people's lives."

At the time, Mr. Goldwater wrote a letter on Mr. Paniccia's behalf to Senator Sam Nunn, the Georgia Democrat who heads the Armed Services Committee and is an opponent of homosexuals in the military.

Leaders of gay groups around the country are fond of quoting a recent statement of Mr. Goldwater's: "I don't care if a soldier is straight, as long as he can shoot straight."


http://www.nytimes.com/1994/03/24/us/goldwater-defending-clinton-conservatives-feeling-faint.html

[cascadiance]

148. Goldwater was also a strong opponent of the Civil Rights Act when Hillary supported him too!

I guess she and he both "evolved" from their stances supporting Civil Rights for POC? Bernie was protesting segregation in those days in Univ. of Chicago, being that CONSISTENT politician on his stances that people like about him. We don't see him reneging on things like Obama did when he nebulously said he'd "renegotiate NAFTA and other free trade deals", as if he were going to work to get them taken down for those of us who hated them, and hate TPP now too.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

166. Res ipsa loquitur

When Hillary Rodham’s high school government teacher in Park Ridge, Ill., insisted she play the role of Lyndon B. Johnson in a mock debate of the 1964 presidential election, she protested.


Ms. Rodham, one of the school’s standout debaters, was a proud Barry Goldwater supporter (she wore a hat with an “AuH2O” logo) and an active member of the Young Republicans. But the teacher, Jerry Baker, was intent on challenging her to argue the other side.

Always a dutiful student, she agreed, settling into the library to pore for hours over Johnson’s positions on civil rights, foreign policy and health care. She prepared with such ardor and delivered such a compelling case that she even convinced herself. By the time Ms. Rodham graduated from college, she was a Democrat.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/11/us/politics/in-debate-hillary-clinton-will-display-skills-honed-over-a-lifetime.html?_r=1

As to the relative merits of the Vermont independent and Secretary Clinton I am content to let my fellow Democratic primary voters sort it out. That's how we roll in America.

[Yurovsky]

8. She rode her husband's coat tails...

peddling influence along the wa and collecting dirty corporate money.

Kamala Harris did it in her own. So did Elizabeth Warren. They are much more deserving of our respect and admiration than someone who wears a sandwich board readin "For Sale To Highest Bidder"...

I don't know, maybe she just enjoys a good laugh as her corporate pals step on the throats of millions of poor and working class Americans... How that woman sleeps at night I'll never know.

Bernie, on the other hand, has always had the backs of the poor and working class. And he always will. Win or lose, he's not for sale, and that's what scares the GOP and corporate power brokers. They're not scared of Hillary, they already bought a controlling interest in her campaign.

[JaneyVee]

11. lol

[Aerows]

14. So knocking on doors

and signing people up to vote is something we don't want to do?

Um, yeah. You can just fire the phone bankers, too, because they might seem like they give a crap about the election too much.

[workinclasszero]

92. bahahahahahahahaha!

Perfect!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

18. She has a B.A. From Wellesley and a JD from Yale Law

It's not as if she was destined to be a bar maid...Before anybody says that's classist, my old man was a bartender, a stevedore, and a itinerant salesperson. I worked as a bouncer and bartender to put myself through college.

[Aerows]

22. I have never thought her anything

short of brilliant.

That doesn't make her beneficial as the leader of our nation. Which is the criteria under which she is being evaluated.

[JaneyVee]

24. If the presidency was a job interview...

Her resume would be miles ahead of Bernie. Which she is according to the polls.

[JaneyVee]

36. Ok.

Hillary has policy proposals, union endorsements, party endorsements, civil rights hero's endorsements, and is supremely qualified. She has excoriated foreign governments about human rights abuses to their faces in their own countries and has spread diplomacy and philanthropy around the globe. She has been voted most admired woman in the world 14x. She hast vast knowledge on a wide range of global and domestic issues, and is remarkable at building coalitions. And she's a proud Democrat with experience of putting her foot deep inside Republican assholes.

[JaneyVee]

42. I'm sure Rep. John Lewis would love to hear that.

What have you accomplished?

[JaneyVee]

51. LOL. Ok.

[JonLeibowitz]

38. Interesting

As far as getting past my job interview, Mrs. Clinton will not make it through the resume screening. Based on her resume, it was decided before she announced who would get my vote: not her.

It's an interesting way of thinking about a candidate's record as a resume for a job interview. Lying about your history (DOMA, guns) doesn't usually work for most jobs. The Presidency must be a singular position in that respect.

[JaneyVee]

47. I'll take the word of civil rights hero's and union officials instead, thanks.

[JonLeibowitz]

55. You'd be better served taking neither my word nor theirs

But instead look at the issues and your values and see how the candidates stack up and how consistently. But that's just my method. You may have yours.

[JaneyVee]

59. Thank you for that deep insight.

[eridani]

86. Because the Iraq war and the destruction of Libya were so wonderful

People keep mistaking having heard of someone with actual enthusiasm.

[Live and Learn]

50. +1 nt

[Aerows]

13. I also vote on issues

and I am not pleased with the position she takes on issues.

As I related from my experience in the grocery store, I'm far from the only one.

I challenge every single person that champions a candidate to speak about them in an everyday setting.

I choose Bernie Sanders.

[840high]

15. I voted for her in '08. Did my

homework. Go Bernie.

[JaneyVee]

17. Do some more homework...

Hillary has policy proposals, union endorsements, party endorsements, civil rights hero's endorsements, and is supremely qualified. She has excoriated foreign governments about human rights abuses to their faces in their own countries and has spread diplomacy and philanthropy around the globe. She has been voted most admired woman in the world 14x. She hast vast knowledge on a wide range of global and domestic issues, and is remarkable at building coalitions. And she's a proud Democrat with experience of putting her foot deep inside Republican assholes.

[bvf]

31. I've read this before:

"...with experience of putting her foot deep inside Republican assholes."

Looks like somebody's really good at copy-and-paste.

[JaneyVee]

34. Yes. It was a copy and paste of my own post.

You heard it from me on DU.

[bvf]

44. And that should matter how?

And I've heard plenty, btw. I like to refresh my sig line every now and then.

[JaneyVee]

48. Creepy/flattering.

My response was against someone's sexist statement. Cool that you take the sexists side.

[bvf]

57. Oh. That transparent crap again.

Has it been two weeks already?

[canoeist52]

114. Like a Top!

[Live and Learn]

53. +1 nt

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

58. Bernie runs circles around Hillary on every progressive issue...

It's not even close!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[cherokeeprogressive]

73. Yeah... good thing huh.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=768273

[workinclasszero]

90. Yup

Her opponents tend to easily forget about that for some reason.

[polly7]

94. Did they poll all the widowed, maimed, homeless, refugees

in Iraq and Libya? Many of those women formerly doctors, lawyers, teachers .... even just free to walk the streets now live in terror of being abducted, raped and murdered. Many are desperately sending their children on boats to who knows where, just trying to get them out of the horrific poverty and violence they've been forced into living because of the brutality of IS and other fanatics who've been allowed to fill the vacuum, as well as funded and supported by 'allies'. What were the results of the polls in those places? Honduras? Haiti? Syria?

How do you get such an accurate count, do you have any stats showing who was polled, and where?

[McKim]

96. Thank You Polly

Thank you Polly. It is because of her foreign policy decisions that I cannot vote for her. The Iraq War and Meddling Lybia and Syria has left this world a very sad place. I cannot forgive her for voting for a war that has destroyed many countries and killed people in the hundreds of thousands. Our country will never recover its moral compass now, we are lost, we should be deeply ashamed. End of story. To me, married to an oil brat who grew up in the Middle East, those brown people over there are very real and worthy of our respect. What happened to their right to life?

[polly7]

98. They have no right to life.

As hard as that is to say. 'We don't do body counts'. 'Collateral damage'. I knew from the second Iraq was attacked that the people there were not a consideration in any way, shape or form, and the destruction of Libya just confirmed it.

[ConservativeDemocrat]

112. So every foreign civil war is now the fault of the United States?

...because we didn't stay out? Or because we aren't in, power vacuum and all that?

One thing to be sure of, when reading the screeds of hard-left negative nationalists, whatever the problem is, wherever it is in the world, it's the US's fault.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

[polly7]

113. Canada, as part of NATO helped to destroy the lives of millions in Libya.

Wtf are you talking about?

I asked if the polls for most popular woman in the world included any of those millions, or those in Iraq (yes, Bush, Cheney, Rummy, etc. WERE responsible for that, as well as all who voted to allow it), Honduras, Haiti, Syria? Did they?!?

[polly7]

129. I think it's you that needs to re-read the posts and get your message straight.

Also, do a little studying of the history of the ruin of Libya.

[ConservativeDemocrat]

135. Alright...

Maybe you're bringing up polls of people in reference to Canada. But this is a message board focused on a US political party, so if you're not supporting this post attacking Hillary Clinton, using millions of refugees as your vehicle for doing so, then you ought to be clearer.

But, regardless, if there has been miscommunication that you're walking back, I'll walk back any criticism that was thrown your way. I do still stand by what I said in general, though, for people of this mindset. The US is not to blame for everything bad that goes on in the world, and people who think that are kooks.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

[floriduck]

105. Ronald Reagan was once an actor too.

But that's living in the past. I don't think Hill is very admired now based on her unfavorable ratings. But nice try.

[Aerows]

4. Updated title n/t

[zentrum]

16. I've had experiences

….like this. Never happened with any other candidate. This week it was an African American woman gathering sigs for a raised minimum wage. She loves Bernie. Said her daughter in college did too. She said negative things about Hillary that I won't repeat here.

A few minutes later while crossing the street I heard some young voices talking happily about Bernie. I turned and saw 3 people in their twenties—talked to them for a while—the male didn't know much about him and the two girls were giving him a lecture about how he needed "get informed about our guy".

This happens every few weeks, as I just go about.

[JaneyVee]

20. You know how when you buy a new car and suddenly...

You start seeing your same model car everywhere? Yeah, like that.

[Aerows]

33. You know when you want to vote for a candidate

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and encourage everybody else to vote for them, too?

Yeah. That's exactly what you do.

If I love my new car, I'm going to tell you why I like it. What features it has.

What I'm not going to do is tell you how crappy the owners of other cars are, and discuss how hateful that they are for buying a different car.

That is about as inspiring as beige, at best.

[bvf]

49. That comes across like a third-grader's first attempt

at an analogy.

[JaneyVee]

60. Breaking out the insults so soon? Pace yourself.

[bvf]

64. Insult? No.

Sometimes it's just entertaining to observe people's rhetoric, and to imagine how far along in school one was the last time one had heard anything so vapid and inane.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

68. Confirmation bias is a recognized phenomenon. Nothing puerile about that.

It's a demonstrable fact that folks look for confirmation of their beliefs and disregard information that contradicts it. It's Psychology 101.

[bvf]

75. You're thinking of the "frequency illusion."

The two are frequently confused.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

77. Familiar with both. They are both examples of cognitive bias...

I am not a huge anecdote fan for all the usual reasons.

I can regale posters with accounts of all the HRC supporters I have met but it's pointless...This is a big effin country.

[bvf]

82. I *love* a good anecdote! n/t

[jtuck004]

74. Maybe that's because one just started noticing a lot of people agree with them. <G> n/t

[SusanCalvin]

21. Got to get 'em to vote. nt

[silverweb]

66. Yup.

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]Same here. Just going about my daily business, almost any conversation has an easy opening to bring up a related issue that Bernie is on top of. Most people immediately connect.

I'm still surprised at how many don't really know who Bernie is. I explain how the mainstream corporate-owned media minimize him in favor of candidates who will take their campaign donations and favor their interests - but that Bernie won't take their money and owes them nothing.

Once I determine that they have internet access, I suggest they start at berniesanders.com and on Facebook, and go exploring to learn about who he is and what he stands for - has always stood for.

Only 4 people so far have not been receptive - all older white Fox "News" fans (3 male/1 female) - going on and on about the "lazy" poor, the evils of socialism, immigrants, Muslim terrorists, and fear, fear, fear.

Them, I don't waste my time on - just look at them pityingly, say "have a nice day" and move along.



[font color="purple"]Go, Bernie!

[Demeter]

170. Love your anecdote AND your GIF!

I am willing to bet that in the end, even your older "Fox News" fans will come around...because they haven't got a prayer of liking the candidate they will end up with (if you will pardon the expression). I think Bernie can and will reach them, too!

[silverweb]

188. Thanks. :)

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]Not too hopeful about the Fox folks. They seem to have unremovable blinders on... but you never know. When the reTHUGs make serious moves to cripple Social Security, Medicare, SSI, and SDI, maybe the blinders will crack a bit and let some light in.

You're welcome to "steal" the gif! Find it and plenty of others here:
http://cosgan.de/smilie.php?wahl=14&ziel=musik

[Thespian2]

35. K & R !!!!

I believe you will find more and more people supporting Senator Sanders...right after they get to know him and understand that his policies provide the only hope for America...

[Aerows]

54. The more I seem to talk about him

even here in dire red MS, the more people keep warming up to him. I take that as a positive sign, because they don't like anybody on the Republican side.

I am pretty certain that most people around here would vote for Satan instead of Hillary Clinton, but I endeavor to move past the frustration and ire.

We are in damn need of hope. That is what I get from everybody I talk to, and most of them agree that neither Hillary nor Republicans are the ones to restore it.

[Demeter]

171. Is Satan running? Must go see.....

comparison shopping, you know.

[Aerows]

174. Satan is going to be

the write in ticket on the GOP ballot. You heard it here, first

[Demeter]

176. That makes sense--smart political move!

The GOP has intimate knowledge of Satan, after all....

[Aerows]

177. I *LOVE* your sig line

Occam's Switchblade "If you can't figure out why someone did something, assume it is because they wanted to."

Priceless, and a very pointed bit of wisdom.

[Demeter]

183. ty--use it freely--I got it for free somewhere

[silverweb]

67. That's how it's going!

[JDPriestly]

37. K&R. We can nominate Bernie Sanders.

He is very electable. Let's do it.

[PowerToThePeople]

40. People always are praising

My Bernie bumper sticker. I need to get some more gear to bring him along with me everywhere.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

52. Just put up my Bernie lawn sign...getting positive comments from most of my neighbors wanting to know where I got mine so they can get one too.

Bernie is catching fire! Go Bernie!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[ismnotwasm]

46. I have the opposite experience

My co-workers--Nurses and Doctors and other healthcare workers are largely very supportive of Hillary, not a maudlin face amoung them. There are Sanders supporters as well, but they see him as 'that guy who yells a lot'. I saw a women during my morning exercise wearing a "Hillary 2016" shirt--we had a lovely conversation. Another co-worker says how her 10 year old daughter and her friends are deeply excited about a woman president.

I am *PROUD* of Hillary Clinton.

[Scootaloo]

61. $3.98 for tomatoes? Do you live in Greenland or something?

I mean... Jeeze.

[Aerows]

65. I shit you not

They were "heirloom" tomatoes.

They had better hold on to them because the day I buy a damn $4 tomato is the day I need to be freaking committed.

They had other tomatoes and I needed them for the salad I was making, so obviously I got the $1.28/lbs. tomatoes.

You could have knocked me over with a feather. I have never seen a single tomato I would pay $4 for.

[Uncle Joe]

62. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Aerows.

[Aerows]

76. Thank for the kick

Uncle Joe

[SmittynMo]

69. I talk to people all the time

about Bernie. Whether they want to hear it or not.

When you have a candidate that makes you feel like no other, you feel proud to discuss it with others, due to the importance of their vote, and their future.

There's no one like Bernie. NO ONE!!!

With that, I'll leave ya with some music.

[quickesst]

70. Well, I for one....

....believe you went to the grocery store.

[Aerows]

78. I live in the South

It appears from your avatar that you live in Arkansas,

It is tough to discuss Democrats in Red States.

That doesn't mean that we shouldn't advocate for a Democrat, does it?

[quickesst]

87. Yep, Arkansas.....

...born, raised, and proud. Thing is, I do talk politics, and I do advocate for a Democrat. But, there is a difference in my approach. Being from the south, you know as well as I do that there is ample opportunity to point out the shortcomings of the right-wing goons that are the real threat to this country. Although I prefer a certain candidate for nomination, if that doesn't happen, I'll gladly vote for, and support the candidate who does. I don't run, jumping for joy straight to the internet to relate an encounter with someone who hates, doesn't recognize, or is derogatory toward Bernie Sanders. Hillary and Bernie are our two best hopes to keep republicans from once again taking the reins, and finish driving this country over the cliff straight into what could be described as"Hell". I get that you don't like Hillary, but if I held your point of view, I would rather hold our true enemies at the gate, and not deprive those who follow the opportunity to advance the Democratic cause. I would not put them in a position of having to start from scratch. The beat goes on, and the world doesn't end when I do.

[bvar22]

194. Arkansas is a little different from the rest of the Old South.

We have had Democratic Governors,
and the Republicans gained the majority in our State House for the first time in 140 years in the last election.

There ARE solid Democratic roots in Arkansas.
A little money & some stumping from big name Dems during campaigns would help a bunch in winning a few elections around here.

[passiveporcupine]

71. Damn, how big are those tomatoes?

Or maybe I should be asking where your live.

I live in a place that is not cheap, but I just bought four tomatoes yesterday (a little over a lb in weight) and they were $1.56 a lb. All the tomatoes in the store where the same price...so I guess I'm asking how much per pound did you have to pay for tomatoes?

And if what your saying is true (and your tomatoes are not the size of catelopes), why aren't you just buying canned tomatoes?



Now, please just ignore this rant and go back to your discussion of the candidates.

[Aerows]

79. I was stunned.

I bought the ones that were 1.27/lbs.

Who in the fuck buys a $4 tomato!?

[Demeter]

172. People who shop at Whole Foods aka Whole Paycheck

I knew a woman who lived in a hovel, and paid $1.35 for dolphin safe tuna from there, a 5 oz can (it was 15 years ago!)

[cherokeeprogressive]

72. I drove from So. Cal. to Boise Friday and back on Monday...

I saw SIX Bernie bumper stickers. No others. TWO were in Idaho. Idaho.

[Aerows]

80. When my lapel pin

gets here, you are going to see yet another smiling face sporting a Bernie smile

I ordered it a couple of days ago.

[Catherina]

85. Happy to rec this

If Hillary gets forced on voters with a manipulated primary, say hello to 8 more years of Republican rule.

[SammyWinstonJack]

89. Yeah and her supporters on DU will blame Bernie's supporters

for her loss. Gonna be such fun.

I think Bernie has a better chance in the GE against any gopper.

[dreamnightwind]

123. OMG it's the Loonix bug!

Did you have that before the PPR or is it in meomry of? It would be a great, though highly annoying, tribute DU posters could adopt to show how much we respected that poster.

[Catherina]

130. I added it last night

in solidarity

[dreamnightwind]

134. Awesome

It drives me crazy, so I may not do the same, greatly appreciate the nod to that poster though. Sorry she stepped over the line, though it would not be my line if I were running this site. I hope she finds her way back.

[Catherina]

139. It used to have the same effect on me a few years ago

then I stopped even noticing it. But I know exactly what you mean.

[SamKnause]

88. I had a friend drop in yesterday.

I don't know this person well.

He is the son of the lady I bought my home from.

I stay in touch with both of them.

They have attended cookouts and met my family.

I see them maybe once every other year.

He noticed my Bernie sticker, on top of my tv, leaning up against my DirecTV box.

He picked it up and looked at it.

He looked at me and said, "I am a Republican, but I like Bernie".

My 2 cents.

[raouldukelives]

93. Right on! That is how its done.

The t-shirt is perfect for inspiring random conversations. Ones that draw in others and connect us all. Gotta love Democracy!

[66 dmhlt]

97. This STORY is a load of ... Twaddle!

[Aerows]

118. Okay.

You have a nice day now.

[AzDar]

99. The Dems I know will NOT vote for her, period. The Republicans I know cannot WAIT to vote against

her. She's quite unifying in that way.

[Aerows]

158. Same reaction I get here.

She can make you queasy with the way she turns to and fro on issues.

[retrowire]

102. And hillary supporters will quack

"Anecdotal evidence! LOL"

But where's all the real world stories from Hillary supporters? I never ever see it.

Hillary supporters have corporately owned media to constantly point to...

But what else?

[Enthusiast]

104. Kicked and recommended to the Max!

[Spitfire of ATJ]

115. I've seen a LOT of Bernie stickers but none for Hillary here in Vegas.

[Aerows]

117. I've seen a Bernie sticker

here in deep ol' red MS. I think they were just passing through, though. Still ...

[Spitfire of ATJ]

147. Not as red as you might think....

2008:


The media loves to paint a state scarlet if it goes 50.0001% Republican.

[Aerows]

151. I will fight to the last vote

to turn it even bluer.

[AlbertCat]

116. I'd be depressed as hell if Hillary Clinton was my candidate

Me too.

Such a low bar "better than the Reug" to vote for.

[dreamnightwind]

124. The media is in the tank so it's up to us

We have to find every possible way to inform others, then they can decide who to support. As it is, they are often deciding on Hillary by default. Thanks for chatting up Bernie, it's a heavy lift but with enough people helping, we can do it, or die trying.

[Gore1FL]

126. It's too early to tell what will happen in 2016.

Turn the clock back to 2007, and the posts are almost all the same.

Hillary or Bernie have no delegates. Political momentum in the nomination contexts can move mountains relative to anything going on today.

[WillyT]

132. HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!!

[ChiciB1]

136. "Aerows" Keep Doing What You're Doing, I'm Having The SAME

experience. I've had the same thing happen in different settings and it keeps my spirits high! I see poll after poll after poll and perhaps they're factual, I really don't know. But what I DO know is that your experience is growing each day. And if I've said this once I've said it thousands of times, I live in a place I call "white bread, Red, Red area in FL!"

So when I have these encounters I try to ask them if they know about how our Primary works here in Florida and how you HAVE to register by Party to vote in a Primary. I also do pitch in on the week-ends to make people aware of the Primary issue.

Bottom line is to get people of other parties informed about this ONE very important fact. It's crucial here!

[Aerows]

182. Hey, cher - I'm not "Aerows"

I'm just Aerows.

That said, I agree with you and it is crucial to get people to register, tell them how, and how much their opinion matters. When you describe to people that they can be part of the process of changing the folks that lead our nation, many of them start to smile, and more importantly, believe that they can have their say.

I'm just Aerows, but I am damn sure going to make sure that my voice is heard in the election booth, speaking with strangers while going about my every day business, and where ever I can.

[ChiciB1]

195. Okay, I Put Too Many Things In Quotes, BUT We Do Need

keep our boots on and we need to shout loud and clear! Well, I lied... NOT gonna wear BOOTS down here, might have to find some flip flops that lace up my leg! LOL!

[Aerows]

196. I love boots :)

And I was just teasing you

[ChiciB1]

197. Oh, OK... You Know How It Around Here These Days!!!

Ya NEVER know! I'll be back later this evening, have some work to do here at home.

[Gamecock Lefty]

140. All My Progressive Liberal Friends . . .

are voting for Hillary.

They like Bernie OK, but thinks he's too angry and that Hillary acts like a leader and more 'presidential.'

I agree.

And after that first debate, the Benghazi hearings and polls strengthening Hillary's #s, ol Bernie is going gutter ball. Bernie - whatever it takes to win.

[cascadiance]

149. And I suppose voters liked Nixon seeming "presidential" and like a leader...

when he won the presidency, after silently committing treason in sabotaging peace talks with Vietnam, that he was fortunate that LBJ kept quiet (that we now know about many years later).

Being president is more than just being "presidential", which is as nebulous as qualifications get.

And being angry isn't a bad thing, when many in this country can identify with this sentiment when viewing the state of our government now.

The Bengazi hearings were a corporate and Republican engineer distraction that was WORTHLESS for all of us, and take away from discussion of other more important issues, and distracted us from the issue of her judgement in the case of emails as to WHY THE F*K she *privatized* them that allowed for this whole mess to be created. Republicans and corporatists weren't going to make the "privatization" of her emails an issue, because that is what they WANT all politicians to do instead of having an accountable well functioning and secure government run IT infrastructure instead, that is more accountable to us.

[Sunlei]

141. I wish I could grow tomatoes, I never have luck with them.

[Aerows]

150. I grew some

They were quite tasty, but I needed a fresh one for a salad I was making. There is no way in hell I'll pay $4 for a tomato.

I can't figure out if they were doing it to prank people that weren't paying attention into buying something or if they were serious.

[Sunlei]

153. seems to me like most groceries have doubled in price just in the past couple years.

Sure must be a TON of profit in those $4 tomatoes.

Sure people can grow for example, 300 bushels of corn on less than an acre of land and make several thousand selling it on a stand in front of their house. Or grow a couple thousand of those $4 tomatos and sell them for $2.

But crop growing and self employment is against the law in most local communities.

[Aerows]

155. Growing plants is against the law?

When in the heck did that happen?

Now we aren't allowed to grow plants?

[Nonhlanhla]

157. I also talked to some people

And it means nothing.

Our secretary at works supports Hillary, just like last time. Oh no, Bernie is doomed!

Two of my colleagues support Bernie. Oh no, Hillary is doomed?

A lady at my DD's school was wearing a Hillary button at the schools Halloween parade. Bernie doomed, again.

Some of my FB friends think Bernie is the bee's knees. Hillary doomed, this time.

Some of my students support Trump. One even likes Carson. We're all doomed!

Individual anecdotes mean nothing.

[Aerows]

160. My enthusiasm?

Dimmed not one notch.

Doubt? Not a drop of it.

Next?

[Scruffy1]

161. They will always have the money.

We can't change things by playing in their rigged games. What we have is ourselves, and getting away from the crap instilled in the American public that talking about politics is socially offensive. That is why negative advertising works. It was designed to alienate the public from voting so that a handful of the "faithful" can call the shots.

[Aerows]

163. You have to believe in your candidate

and their view for the future. The advertising is strong, but at some point, you have to move beyond being force-fed a candidate.

You have to want to vote *FOR* them, not just against the monster under the bed.

[japple]

167. A similar thing happened to me in the catfood aisle at Kroger today and the

woman I talked to was complaining about how everything (esp. cat food) was going up except the COLA for folks who "paid into Social Security all their lives." I told her about Elizabeth Warren's bill to to grant a 3.9% one-time COLA for seniors. She was impressed. We both agreed that our cats are way too finicky, but couldn't decide how to best address that issue with our cats.

http://www.occupydemocrats.com/warren-files-bill-to-make-ceos-pay-for-seniors-stolen-cost-of-living-increase/

[GoneFishin]

168. kick.

[postatomic]

184. You should learn to grow your own Tomatoes

It's not that difficult to do. Many towns have community gardens and I'm sure you could find someone hanging out that could help you.

#ittakesavillage

[Aerows]

186. Am I being admonished because it is not

tomato season here? I grew a crap ton of them.

You can thank the Gardening group.

[postatomic]

187. Easy there partner'

It was just a suggestion. Sounds like you have the whole grow thing down. Excellent.

Admonished? That's a defensive response. I'm not "attacking" you and I didn't set the price for 'maters. Nor did I question anything you said in your wonderful Grocery Story.