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AZ Progressive

(3,411 posts)
Thu Nov 5, 2015, 06:08 PM Nov 2015

Hillary can't be trusted to not sell us down the river like Obama did with TPP

Because of fast track, there is a six year window of opportunity for trade deals to pass that will continue to sell us and our country to big corporations to tear it up. Our country and the wellbeing of all of us of the 99% is at stake!

If Obama, a Corporate Democrat, is attempting to sell us down the river like this, how can we trust that Hillary won't, given that she both participated in these negotiations and supported NAFTA in the past, and is pretty much a corporate democrat with lots of ties with big business?

What good is protecting the Supreme Court if corporate backed trade deals basically subvert our federal government and become the new law of the land? We are in the middle of a corporate coup d'état, dammit!

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Hillary can't be trusted to not sell us down the river like Obama did with TPP (Original Post) AZ Progressive Nov 2015 OP
If Obama sold us out like you claim Cali_Democrat Nov 2015 #1
#1: People don't know about the TPP, there's essentially a media blackout AZ Progressive Nov 2015 #6
How does one thing follow from the other? Maven Nov 2015 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author Cali_Democrat Nov 2015 #16
If Obama did indeed "sell us down the river" like the OP claims... Cali_Democrat Nov 2015 #17
Most Americans, including liberals, are not news / politics junkies AZ Progressive Nov 2015 #18
These trade agreements are slowly destroying the power of jwirr Nov 2015 #2
Well randys1 Nov 2015 #3
And when those rights stand in the way ibegurpard Nov 2015 #9
Terrible, isnt it. Bad bad bad, but what does it have to do with a comment that randys1 Nov 2015 #10
here's what it has to do with it ibegurpard Nov 2015 #19
"What good is protecting the Supreme Court" Cali_Democrat Nov 2015 #4
And it took me way more awkward words to say what you said in TWO randys1 Nov 2015 #11
Because the main selling of Hillary is because she'll protect the Supreme Court... AZ Progressive Nov 2015 #12
time for some dancing saturnsring Nov 2015 #5
OMG Obama's so eeeeevvvviiiilllllll giftedgirl77 Nov 2015 #7
Win some. Lose some. HassleCat Nov 2015 #8
You do that... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #14
And I don't trust her not to. CharlotteVale Nov 2015 #15
she can't be trusted on anything Doctor_J Nov 2015 #20
The way she changes positions, you have azmom Nov 2015 #21
BTW, I'm not saying not to vote for Hillary if she gets the nomination, a Republican president is much more painful than a .... AZ Progressive Nov 2015 #22
Hillary can't be trusted. Period. bigwillq Nov 2015 #23

AZ Progressive

(3,411 posts)
6. #1: People don't know about the TPP, there's essentially a media blackout
Thu Nov 5, 2015, 06:15 PM
Nov 2015

The Corporate Media pretty much dictates most of the flow of information in America

#2: A liberal democrat can mean a socially liberal, economically moderate Democrat. It doesn't mean that that Democrat is economically progressive.

Maven

(10,533 posts)
13. How does one thing follow from the other?
Thu Nov 5, 2015, 07:01 PM
Nov 2015

If poll numbers are good, nothing wrong could possibly have been done?

Response to Maven (Reply #13)

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
17. If Obama did indeed "sell us down the river" like the OP claims...
Thu Nov 5, 2015, 07:10 PM
Nov 2015

His approval rating among liberal dems would be in the toilet.

AZ Progressive

(3,411 posts)
18. Most Americans, including liberals, are not news / politics junkies
Thu Nov 5, 2015, 07:47 PM
Nov 2015

So they don't know about this yet due to the corporate blackout.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
2. These trade agreements are slowly destroying the power of
Thu Nov 5, 2015, 06:11 PM
Nov 2015

a nation to make its own rules. The SCOTUS is part of our nations legal system. We need to protect it not give it away.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
3. Well
Thu Nov 5, 2015, 06:13 PM
Nov 2015

When you ask this question, and you are serious

What good is protecting the Supreme Court if corporate backed trade deals basically subvert our federal government and become the new law of the land?


You tell me that you have little to lose in the areas that will be effected.

That you have the luxury of risking Roe overturned, voting rights further destroyed, Gay rights going in the toilet, etc.

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
9. And when those rights stand in the way
Thu Nov 5, 2015, 06:17 PM
Nov 2015

Of corporate profits and an extra - national trade court has the authority to override?

randys1

(16,286 posts)
10. Terrible, isnt it. Bad bad bad, but what does it have to do with a comment that
Thu Nov 5, 2015, 06:20 PM
Nov 2015

implies that voting for Hillary is not an option?

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
19. here's what it has to do with it
Thu Nov 5, 2015, 07:57 PM
Nov 2015

I don't trust her to do what's right and not what powerful backers want her to do.

AZ Progressive

(3,411 posts)
12. Because the main selling of Hillary is because she'll protect the Supreme Court...
Thu Nov 5, 2015, 06:22 PM
Nov 2015

And that she's the safe pick to win the presidency. However...

#1: Your trusting Hillary to put a liberal on the supreme court. How about if she picks someone that is pro trade deals?

#2: It's like being concerned about money woes when there's a damn fire going on in the building you are. A corporate coup d'etat is going on in America that will threaten so many things, including our health and economic wellbeing is the more important matter unless you yourself are a part of the 1%.

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
8. Win some. Lose some.
Thu Nov 5, 2015, 06:17 PM
Nov 2015

Any candidate I support for any office is going to let me down once elected. Yes, some will do it more than others, and I believe Sanders will disappoint me less than Clinton. But we cannot be sure what either one will do in office. If Hillary Clinton becomes president, she will let us down more tan once, but she will sometimes come to our defense. I have to keep telling myself that.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
20. she can't be trusted on anything
Thu Nov 5, 2015, 07:58 PM
Nov 2015

Every week we find out about another 2-3 issues, big ones, that she's lying about. She is completely devoid of any morals

AZ Progressive

(3,411 posts)
22. BTW, I'm not saying not to vote for Hillary if she gets the nomination, a Republican president is much more painful than a ....
Thu Nov 5, 2015, 08:16 PM
Nov 2015

corporate Democrat, but a corporate Democrat is still painful.

The whole problem here is the corporate and 1% part, the super rich are treating the American people as expendable and worthless. We have to make them known that our lives matter and that this is OUR country, not theirs!

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