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Alan Grayson

(485 posts)
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 09:55 AM Aug 2012

The Second Civil War

This weekend marks the anniversary of the most brutal confrontation in the history of the American labor movement, the Battle of Blair Mountain. For one week during 1921, armed, striking coal miners battled scabs, a private militia, police officers and the US Army. 100 people died, 1,000 were arrested, and one million shots were fired. It was the largest armed rebellion in America since the Civil War.

This is how it happened. In the Twenties, West Virginia coal miners lived in “company towns.” The mining companies owned all the property. They literally ran union organizers out of town – or killed them.

In 1912, in a strike at Paint Creek, the mining company forced the striking miners and their families out of their homes, to live in tents. Then they sent armed goons into that tent city, and opened fire on men, women and children there with a machine gun.

By 1920, the United Mine Workers had organized the northern mines in West Virginia, but they were barred from the southern mines. When southern miners tried to join the union, they were fired and evicted. To show who was boss, one mining company tried to place machine guns on the roofs of buildings in town.

In Matewan, when the coal company goons came to town to take it upon themselves to enforce eviction notices, the mayor and the sheriff asked them to leave. The goons refused. Incredibly, the goons tried to arrest the sheriff, Sheriff Hatfield. Shots were fired, and the mayor and nine others were killed. But the company goons had to flee.

The government sided with the coal companies, and put Sheriff Hatfield on trial for murder. The jury acquitted him. Then they put the sheriff on trial for supposedly dynamiting a non-union mine. As the sheriff walked up the courthouse steps to stand trial again, unarmed, company goons shot him in cold blood. In front of his wife.

This led to open confrontations between miners on one hand, and police and company goons on the other. 13,000 armed miners assembled, and marched on the southern mines in Logan and Mingo Counties. They confronted a private militia of 2,000, hired by the coal companies.

President Harding was informed. He threatened to send in troops and even bombers to break the union. Many miners turned back, but then company goons started killing unarmed union men, and some armed miners pushed on. The militia attacked armed miners, and the coal companies hired airplanes to drop bombs on them. The US Army Air Force, as it was known then, observed the miners’ positions from overhead, and passed that information on to the coal companies.

The miners actually broke through the militia’s defensive perimeter, but after five days, the US Army intervened, and the miners stood down. By that time, 100 people were dead. Almost a thousand miners then were indicted for murder and treason. No one on the side of the coal companies was ever held accountable.

The Battle of Blair Mountain showed that the miners could not defeat the coal companies and the government in battle. But then something interesting happened: the miners defeated the coal companies and the government at the ballot box. In 1925, convicted miners were paroled. In 1932, Democrats won both the State House and the White House. In 1935, President Roosevelt signed the National Labor Relations Act. Eleven years after the Battle of Blair Mountain, the United Mine Workers organized the southern coal fields in West Virginia.

The Battle of Blair Mountain did not have a happy ending for Sheriff Hatfield, or his wife, or the 100 men, women and children who died, or the hundreds who were injured, or the thousands who lost their jobs. But it did have a happy ending for the right to organize, and the middle class, and America.

Now let me ask you one thing: had you ever heard of this landmark event in American history, the Battle of Blair Mountain, before you read this? And if not, then why not? Think about that.

Courage,

Alan Grayson

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The Second Civil War (Original Post) Alan Grayson Aug 2012 OP
Keep posting, pls. brush Aug 2012 #1
+1,000 freshwest Aug 2012 #51
Aside from Howard Zinn and the small Indie film, Matewan, it's never mentioned. leveymg Aug 2012 #2
I am going to find this in Zinn's "People's History of the US"... MrMickeysMom Aug 2012 #31
Blair Mountain JourneyAmerica Aug 2012 #3
K & R! peacebird Aug 2012 #4
There was a movie in the '80s rosesaylavee Aug 2012 #5
"Why is this information not in the standard history books? " dixiegrrrrl Aug 2012 #16
When I was a boy ('50s) it was in the history books. xtraxritical Aug 2012 #24
Thanks. Posted the full movie in MM & R for those who want to see it here: freshwest Aug 2012 #52
Awesome - the full version too! rosesaylavee Aug 2012 #60
I have heard of it-- wonder if we are headed to something like this again NoMoreWarNow Aug 2012 #6
bkmrkd. K&R Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2012 #7
yes heaven05 Aug 2012 #8
It was Teapot Dome Harding's administration that sided with the coal companies. The Teapot Dome coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #12
Labor rights were not won easily. People fought and suffered and died. LiberalEsto Aug 2012 #9
Absolutely true about organizing computer workers. JDPriestly Aug 2012 #22
When Goverment uses the resources of the people NeeDeep Aug 2012 #10
The Corporations & their employees in government don't need guns anymore. bvar22 Aug 2012 #11
"The Graven Image on the altar of the Church of the Invisible Hand " zeemike Aug 2012 #21
Pete Seeger asks... James48 Aug 2012 #13
Because the Establishment's Narrative is that the Union is the bully fascisthunter Aug 2012 #14
Thanks as always!! Love You Alan!! hue Aug 2012 #15
Yes, I'd heard about it.There's a movie, titled "Matewan". I saw it many years ago. You can truth2power Aug 2012 #17
Thank you for shining some light on a dark piece of history. nt Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2012 #18
K&R nt abelenkpe Aug 2012 #19
Nope never heard of it and I grew up a few hours from WVA boarder, of course my history books.... Heather MC Aug 2012 #20
The corporate town is now America! Most of the rest of the world too. It will take many lives to Dustlawyer Aug 2012 #23
No, but I had heard of Matewan from John Sayles. ancianita Aug 2012 #25
this is your future with out unions. leftyohiolib Aug 2012 #26
Thank you, Alan!!!!! nt valerief Aug 2012 #27
Our real history suppressed Generic Other Aug 2012 #28
the real heroes of American and World history lives are erased yurbud Aug 2012 #29
Then later Hoover sent the army hootinholler Aug 2012 #30
The mountain is still in danger today.. iamthebandfanman Aug 2012 #32
If not, then why not? Martin Eden Aug 2012 #33
Never heard this. Thanks. (nt) philly_bob Aug 2012 #34
The freaks in secret socities Mosaic Aug 2012 #35
No, never heard of it. tclambert Aug 2012 #36
Yes Duppers Aug 2012 #37
I had to stop reading. The bravery of these people AllyCat Aug 2012 #38
This needs to be taught in our schools and colleges gopiscrap Aug 2012 #39
This is the first I have heard of it.. AsahinaKimi Aug 2012 #40
Rutgers professor was there GEOpix Aug 2012 #41
And there was the massacre at Ludlow, CO, and The Day the River Ran Red in Homestead, PA, and the Citizen Worker Aug 2012 #42
Thank you, Mr. Grayson! stlsaxman Aug 2012 #43
Yes, I heard about this before... Maw Kettle Aug 2012 #44
This should be common knowledge The Wizard Aug 2012 #45
I went to Broughton School, South of Pittsburgh, and NEVER heard of the 1928 Broughton School Shooti happyslug Aug 2012 #46
I apologize for using this kind of language around a once and future member of congress... lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #47
k&r Starry Messenger Aug 2012 #48
At what age/grade should this be taught in school? n/t jtuck004 Aug 2012 #49
Yes, saw "Matewan" when it came out. Hissyspit Aug 2012 #50
This sort of thing is always suppressed in the teaching of history. DFW Aug 2012 #53
Yes, as it happens, I have heard of it before. malthaussen Aug 2012 #54
I see you are favored to win in FL-09. Lasher Aug 2012 #55
I have facebooked and tweeted this... ProfessionalLeftist Aug 2012 #56
Funny you should mention Newsroom and Rachel Maddow in the same sentence tavalon Aug 2012 #59
Weirdly enough, I had. oldsarge54 Aug 2012 #57
i learned about this by watching the John Sayles movie, Matewan... WCGreen Aug 2012 #58
I've read about Blair Mountian. secondvariety Aug 2012 #61
Here's the problem with people forgetting these things Major Nikon Aug 2012 #62
Rec #200 Quantess Aug 2012 #63

brush

(53,863 posts)
1. Keep posting, pls.
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 10:07 AM
Aug 2012

Last edited Mon Aug 27, 2012, 10:24 AM - Edit history (1)

Alan Grayson is a truth teller and we need him in a more prominent position in the Democratic party. I've been pro union forever but I've never heard of this battle. It's certainly not taught in history classes and I'm guessing the reason for that is it would open peoples' eyes to what union members in the past sacrificed to help build the once proud and strong middle class that had good jobs that paid living wages. The repugs, starting with Reagan, sat out to break the unions and they've been successful, with the help of many uninformed workers voting for them against their own economic interests.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
2. Aside from Howard Zinn and the small Indie film, Matewan, it's never mentioned.
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 10:16 AM
Aug 2012

Indeed, there's a reason for that. If you listen to the corporate media talking heads like Friedman at the NYT, until lately Americans have always been Centrists and gotten along in bipartisan bliss. It's those socialist Europeans who squabble and create Welfare States. Unity under authority, everyone in their place - that's what made us The Greatest!

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
31. I am going to find this in Zinn's "People's History of the US"...
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 01:02 PM
Aug 2012

I have been trying to get through that book for years, and I'm sure to read it now.

I had not previously heard of this fascist led atrocity until this time! It would appear that this should be added to the history on which I'm "brushing up"!

We all remember the 150 anniversary of the Civil War, and certainly should remember this "Second Civil War".

Also, we cannot let votes be suppressed, which I view as a 3rd civil war coming...

JourneyAmerica

(2 posts)
3. Blair Mountain
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 10:17 AM
Aug 2012

Here's a link to the photos I got last summer in Blair during the anniversary re-creation of the original march. http://tinyurl.com/bqtnwa6

Blessings
Jerry Nelson
JourneyAmerica.org

rosesaylavee

(12,126 posts)
5. There was a movie in the '80s
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 10:25 AM
Aug 2012

that told at least part of this story. Matewan was the title. And I don't think I have seen this replayed for years despite the all star cast it had.

http://dvd.netflix.com/Search?v1=Matewan&ac_abs_posn=1&fcld=true&ac_rel_posn=1&ac_category_type=movie&raw_query=Matewan&raw_query=Matewan

Good point. Why is this information not in the standard history books?

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
16. "Why is this information not in the standard history books? "
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 11:51 AM
Aug 2012

"History is written by the conquerors"
a phrase attributed to Churchill but of unknown origin.

 

xtraxritical

(3,576 posts)
24. When I was a boy ('50s) it was in the history books.
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 12:40 PM
Aug 2012

Maybe it was in our history books because I'm from Chicago and we were well aware of Haymarket Square and union organizing. I used to be in the Retail Clerks union, I don't know if that even exists anymore. I wish unions could make a come back.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
52. Thanks. Posted the full movie in MM & R for those who want to see it here:
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 03:03 AM
Aug 2012
MATEWAN - The Battle of Blair Mountain

The story of the miners strggle for decent working conditions back in 1920. Culminating in the Matewan massacre.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/101751767
 

NoMoreWarNow

(1,259 posts)
6. I have heard of it-- wonder if we are headed to something like this again
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 10:56 AM
Aug 2012

Maybe the only way to wake people up.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
8. yes
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 10:58 AM
Aug 2012

yes I had. My union organizer friend told me about it over coffee in Gratzi's in the 80's in Ann Arbor. I hadn't thought about that in years, and he was always enraged because of the one telling line in your writing, "the GOVERNMENT sided with the coal companies". always has, always will. Those shot down men, women and CHILDREN could not stand in the way of PROFIT AND CONTROL OF THE MASSES. Robme and aynryan will try to take us back to those glorious days of yesteryear.

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
12. It was Teapot Dome Harding's administration that sided with the coal companies. The Teapot Dome
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 11:18 AM
Aug 2012

scandal makes Halliburton and Blackwater (AKA 'Xe') look like choirboys by comparison.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teapot_Dome_scandal

 

LiberalEsto

(22,845 posts)
9. Labor rights were not won easily. People fought and suffered and died.
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 11:04 AM
Aug 2012

Now the company owners are destroying those hard-won rights, step by step, negotiation giveback by negotiation giveback. Most Americans don't even realize the benefits they enjoy thanks to the martyrs of the labor movement.

Labor's losses began with Ray-gun's destruction of the air traffic controllers union, and have worsened ever since.

One of the biggest disappointments was the inability to organize computer and information technology workers across the U.S. If they had joined unions on a massive scale, I think we would not have seen the corporate outsourcing and insourcing of these jobs to cheap foreign workers, which resulted in lower salaries and widespread job insecurity in the IT field.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
22. Absolutely true about organizing computer workers.
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 12:26 PM
Aug 2012

In California, the government went so far as to write special wage and hour regulations for programmers that gave companies the ability to require things of that group of employees that they could not have demanded from other workers.

But the computer workers just accepted that. What a huge mistake. Now so many of them are out of work or underpaid and underemployed. And the jobs have been outsourced.

Failing to join a union is hubris at its most self-defeating.

 

NeeDeep

(120 posts)
10. When Goverment uses the resources of the people
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 11:12 AM
Aug 2012

against the very people they are sworn to protect—this is what you get. A book could be written on jaw-dropping republican decisions to not care about the human condition. Let's see: obstruction and delay in preparedness for WWII, obstructing every significant piece of federal legislation that would help Americans lives - social security, medicare, medicaid, equal rights. Why do they march in lock-step obstructing empathetic expression thru democracy? Because they have no ability to experience empathy, never developed, no hardware or software running! And we just keep treating them as if they were fully human, big mistake.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
11. The Corporations & their employees in government don't need guns anymore.
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 11:18 AM
Aug 2012

All they needed was the fable of "Free Trade", fancy marketing, and smooth talking politicians to destroy Organized LABOR and the American Middle Class.
QED

The Giant Invisible Hand HATES Human Rights and Environmental Protections,
but LOVES him some RICH People.
Sigh.
That was all we needed.
Another religion demanding Blind Faith Obedience to an Invisible Deity.


[font size=3]The Graven Image on the altar of the Church of the Invisible Hand[/font]


[font size=5 color=firebrick]Solidarity99[/font]





zeemike

(18,998 posts)
21. "The Graven Image on the altar of the Church of the Invisible Hand "
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 12:24 PM
Aug 2012

And how true that is...and so dovetails with the story of the golden calf and the worship of Mammon.
And so totally ignored by the religious right wing.

 

fascisthunter

(29,381 posts)
14. Because the Establishment's Narrative is that the Union is the bully
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 11:35 AM
Aug 2012

The poor little rich man, and his establishment are the victims.

This bit of history is the "Tip of the Iceberg", leading listeners and readers to a more oppressive truth, that they have been lied to, and that they too are the victims of the poor little rich man and his establishment.

truth2power

(8,219 posts)
17. Yes, I'd heard about it.There's a movie, titled "Matewan". I saw it many years ago. You can
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 11:57 AM
Aug 2012

probably get it from Amazon; I'll look.

Anyway, I don't think your average American has heard about Matewan/Blair Mountain.

I suppose one should ask why American high school students don't learn about the history of the American labor movement in their social studies classes.

I can pull the social studies curriculum off our school district's website and I'd bet there's no unit on the above.

Here's the Amazon link:

http://www.amazon.com/MATEWAN-John-Sayles-Widescreen-Version/dp/B001USQU4G/ref=sr_1_2?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1345996468&sr=1-2&keywords=matewan

There are several versions - some possibly cheaper. Don't have time to check it out now.

 

Heather MC

(8,084 posts)
20. Nope never heard of it and I grew up a few hours from WVA boarder, of course my history books....
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 12:21 PM
Aug 2012

Did have Jerry Falwell in them but no Malcolm X and the only contribution of blacks was slavery and the civil rights movement
and Africans didn't have a culture they needed the Whiteman to bring them God Religion and Civilization

Yep that's what I was taught in Lynchburg VA!!!

Dustlawyer

(10,497 posts)
23. The corporate town is now America! Most of the rest of the world too. It will take many lives to
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 12:33 PM
Aug 2012

get our Democracy back. We have seen with the OWS that they will have the Goons (cops) bash heads again. They have both parties and the Judiciary and have made it legal to buy them. They write the laws to suit their needs. The powerful rarely go to jail or even get charged. They own the media so the truth only goes out to those with the ability, resources and motivation to go online and check. They move to consolidate incrementally so that we get used to it. Right now they have come out with their hearts desire, tax cuts for them and our social welfare money, including SS, and even more military! They know they cannot take it all yet so they scare us with Rmoney/Ryan so we will be grateful for Obama, even though he mysteriously has kept Gitmo, rendition, conceded single payer before he came to negotiate, etc. He is there throwing a few bones around to stay somewhat believable, but they will keep the House so he has an excuse. Wonder why Harry Reed did not take away the Filibuster when he had the chance? Wall Street has been stealing us all blind for decades and no one goes to jail. Dodd/Frank is not Glass /Stegal. There is too much freaking money for them not to keep going! Wake the F up!

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
29. the real heroes of American and World history lives are erased
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 12:58 PM
Aug 2012

so that no one may follow their example.

hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
30. Then later Hoover sent the army
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 01:00 PM
Aug 2012

Roosevelt sent his wife to deal with the bonus army.

Thanks for the reminder Alan!

Mosaic

(1,451 posts)
35. The freaks in secret socities
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 06:51 PM
Aug 2012

Hide this stuff. We must eradicate the cancer of secret societies. Will you lead the way Grayson? Some one must.

gopiscrap

(23,765 posts)
39. This needs to be taught in our schools and colleges
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 09:55 PM
Aug 2012

in fact there should be a required course at both high school and college levels on labor history IMHO

AsahinaKimi

(20,776 posts)
40. This is the first I have heard of it..
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 10:17 PM
Aug 2012

Thank you for posting it. I am sure there must be a lot of events home and abroad that have been kept silent down though the years. I have always loved the subject of History when I was in high school. It was my best subject. Its important too these kinds of events are put out there, so people learn from them.. so the mistakes of the past, are not repeated in the future.

GEOpix

(65 posts)
41. Rutgers professor was there
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 10:24 PM
Aug 2012

In 1975, at Rutgers - Newark (NJ) my labor history professor - Prof. E.R.Mc Kinney - told us first hand about the battle. He was already in his 80's at the time, but he told us the story of how he took part in that battle, and others in Pennsylvania when he worked as a union organizer during that period. It has been claimed by some labor historians that more Americans have been killed in labor strife than in the Civil War. The bloody history for workers rights bears witness to that fact.

Citizen Worker

(1,785 posts)
42. And there was the massacre at Ludlow, CO, and The Day the River Ran Red in Homestead, PA, and the
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 10:29 PM
Aug 2012

Everett Massacre, the lynching in Chehalis, WA, the Palmer Raids following WW I and led by a democrat, Bloody Tuesday on the westcoast waterfront and there was the Seattle General Strike to name just a few of the massacres perpetrated by corporations with government troops and support.

Maw Kettle

(41 posts)
44. Yes, I heard about this before...
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 11:28 PM
Aug 2012

I heard about this a few years ago on the History Channel's documentary called "Hillbilly: The Real Story," narrated by Billy Ray Cyrus. They actually went to the site of the battle and gave details of the battle and told the story in great detail. I had never heard of it in history class, though, when I was in high school.

The Wizard

(12,547 posts)
45. This should be common knowledge
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 11:47 PM
Aug 2012

but the corporate elites own the megaphone. A two tiered system of lords and serfs will ultimately fail. Slavery whether the slaves are owned or rented by the hour is immoral and will lead to civil unrest.
Let's hope the wealthy elites come to their senses before there are guillotines and head baskets in every city, village and hamlet.
A government of, by and for the corporate elites will perish from the Earth. A fair distribution of the wealth through living wage jobs will grow the middle class and ensure we can sustain as a culture and a country. The alternative is anti American and unacceptable.
And we though the brownshirts were defeated in WW II.

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
46. I went to Broughton School, South of Pittsburgh, and NEVER heard of the 1928 Broughton School Shooti
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 12:05 AM
Aug 2012

I went to a Suburban School in the late 1960s and early 1970s and always wondered why I was exposed to more African American subjects in that school then when I moved into the Pittsburgh Public Schools when I was in High School. I always explained the difference on my suburban school district getting the African American subject matters free from the state (This was right AFTER the 1966-1968 Race riots in Pittsburgh).

Recently I found out I had been wrong the reason was internal to that School District. During the 1928 Coal Strike, my suburban school had been a rural mining area with several coal patches (I lived in one when I was in that Suburban School District, by the time I lived in the coal patch, suburban track housing had long become the norm and where most of my fellow students lived). The Grade School I had attended had been built in 1929, do to the fact the old school had been shot to pieces during the 1928 Coal strike.

The incident is unclear, the only reports I have read was Newspaper accounts from the Pittsburgh Press Which I found on line (I was looking for something else when I ran across the subject). I have NOT found any other source, but it is clear a shooting took place, that it was between strikers who were in the school and African Americans who were walking along the railroad tracks about 100 yards away from the school. Bullets hit the school, and these had to be fired by the African Americans, but the real issue where the African Americans defending themselves from gun fire from the school (The mine owners position) or did the African Americans open fire on the strikers first (The position of the Strikers AND the County Sheriff in addition to the Local Justice of the Peace who presided over the subsequent legal action involved).

Without getting into details, such incidents were common during that strike. The Children of Striking Coal Miners were denied the right to go to schools in most schools where the strike was occurring (Children of Miners NOT on strike were permitted to go to School). In Broughton, it appears the Striking Miners wanted the School open to their children so their occupied it to make sure it was open to EVERY CHILD. The Mine owners resented this and hired people to drive them out (Most such thugs were more then ready to kill people, but were NOT about to risk being killed). The tension between the Strikers and the Coal Mine Owners were at a breaking point when African Americas appear on the scene as Strike Breakers. The Strikers viewed the African Americans as allied with the hired goons of the Mine Owners and treated them the same. Thus the incident occurred, who shot first is unknown and unknowable today.

The FIRST Report of the "Riot" on 2-2-1928
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=djft3U1LymYC&dat=19280203&printsec=frontpage&hl=en

2-4-1928 Report on the School Shooting:
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=rjkbAAAAIBAJ&sjid=MUoEAAAAIBAJ&pg=4546,3386103&dq=broughton-school+shooting&hl=en

More on the Broughton Affair:
Article from the 2-12-1928 Piitsburgh Press:
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=s0gbAAAAIBAJ&sjid=Q0oEAAAAIBAJ&pg=5042,241013&dq=broughton-school&hl=en

On 2-1-1928 The Press even reported on the Governor, who is reported as an "Coal Operator" i.e. coal mine owner, but he even aknowledged that the Coal and Iron Police had to much power for a Police force paid for by Mine owners and other business (It also explains why on 2-12-1928 the Governor reports said the Strikers did it while all the witnesses said it was the Strike Breakers):
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=djft3U1LymYC&dat=19280202&printsec=frontpage&hl=en

The Broughton riot was so bad, the US Senate ever held hearings on it, but mostly on how bad the conditions were among the miners:
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=JQRXAAAAIBAJ&sjid=0kINAAAAIBAJ&pg=1587,6565791&dq=broughton+%26+bruceton&hl=en

Such incidents were common throughout the coal strike area. Most times it was miners being fired on for trying to get their Children to school. As noted above after the Strike the White Coal miners tended to stay and the African American being forced out. The memories of that strike reinforced any latent racism among such white coal miners, and it was extensive among in the old coal patches.

The late 1960s was only 40 years after the 1928 strike, roughly the same time between the late 1960s and now. We have people today who remember LBJ and the Vietnam war. We have people who remember the Civil Right marches of the 1960s. The same level of knowledge existed in 1968, they remembered the 1928 strike AND the huge increase in racism it produced in the old Coal Patches. Thus the people in control of the School District remembered the Strike and the Racism it produced and tired to address it WITHOUT bringing up the Strike.

Thus I NEVER heard of the Strike or the School Shooting while in that school, and students in that School still probably never hear or read of it. No one ever mentions what happen in Strikes, for then you have to address why people were on strike AND why the Strikers were fired upon.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
47. I apologize for using this kind of language around a once and future member of congress...
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 12:14 AM
Aug 2012

... but f***ing-A, representative Grayson.

My grandfather was a Molly Maguire. I agree in the strongest possible terms and I'm sure he would too.

DFW

(54,437 posts)
53. This sort of thing is always suppressed in the teaching of history.
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 03:43 AM
Aug 2012

Only when a country has completely moved on from a dark period does it show the maturity to completely examine its history.

Texas wanted to practically purge Thomas Jefferson from its history books. Apparently many of Jefferson's writings didn't square with their version of what the Texas School Board wanted history to be. An ancestor of mine, I found out, much later, defended the Triangle Shirtwaist Company after the deadly fire of 1911. I never found out what this was all about in history class, had to hear from my parents what scoundrels my ancestor was working for.

By contrast, here in Germany, where my daughters were born and went to secondary school, they learned all about the Nazis and all the horrors committed in their country's name. Indeed, their elementary school, housed in the building that had served as the local Gestapo headquarters during the Nazi era, is now the "Anne Frank Elementary School."

We do learn about the Civil Rights movement in the USA now, and we do hear of the National Labor Relations Act, but we still have a long way to go before we learn much of the background of why the NLRA came into being. We name airports after Reagan and Bush, but not after FDR or LBJ. We are not there, yet.

malthaussen

(17,216 posts)
54. Yes, as it happens, I have heard of it before.
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 03:56 AM
Aug 2012

Which doesn't negate the point that it should be taught as part of the core curriculum in every secondary school in the land.

-- Mal

ProfessionalLeftist

(4,982 posts)
56. I have facebooked and tweeted this...
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 06:33 AM
Aug 2012

...as well as the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire PBS docu. ODD how no one now has ever heard these stories, isn't it? The history books lie. Either by omission or commission, they lie. As does the media. Because that's how propaganda works.

The ONLY example we see of the media actually doing its job is HBO's "Newsroom" (and a few gems like Rachel Maddow).

tavalon

(27,985 posts)
59. Funny you should mention Newsroom and Rachel Maddow in the same sentence
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 08:08 AM
Aug 2012

While Newsroom is fictionalized, I see much there that mimics the change that occurred at MSNBC starting with Olbermann who mentored Maddow. I think I've already figured out which character will rise to stardom on the coattails of Mackavoy.

oldsarge54

(582 posts)
57. Weirdly enough, I had.
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 07:07 AM
Aug 2012

I didn't have your details at hand, but I was aware of the labor struggles. This is why I am so uncomfortable with the Republican efforts as well as Ron Paul's efforts to undo the entire 20th century. Keep up. I'll support when I have something to add.

WCGreen

(45,558 posts)
58. i learned about this by watching the John Sayles movie, Matewan...
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 07:47 AM
Aug 2012

I went to the theater to see it because my maternal grandparents lived in a little coal town in Pennsylvania, close the Wes Virginia border line.

The a love hate relation with the mines and the miners. My Grandpa was dentist and a decorated lieutenant from the Army fight the Kaiser.

I love the rural, mountain, parts of the country, it's stark, not quite filled in like it is now.

The pricks in this movie played the parts well, too well, and it was enough to make your blood boil it, that is, you are a compassionate and caring person.

Recommend watching it but be careful, the casual, controlled violence is like nothing you have ever seen. It's far more brutal when it come nonchalantly after the crime.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
62. Here's the problem with people forgetting these things
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 09:39 AM
Aug 2012

This wasn't the only instance where people fought and died for labor. When people forget this, they forget that it wasn't all that long ago when the middle class didn't exist in America. You were either a have or a have not, and there weren't that many haves. The labor movement literally made the middle class. In the process even the rich got richer and America as a whole prospered. The truly ironic part is that so-called conservatives long for the 50's when the middle class truly came into being, yet the dipshits support the rich who did everything in their power to prevent it. If they really wanted a return to the days when the middle class prospered, they would support the cause of labor.

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