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Hey progressives, Hillary isnt the enemy: Im a Sanders supporter, but Im sick of Bernie Bros Clinton Derangement Syndrome
by Matthew Rozsa at Salon
http://www.salon.com/2015/11/12/hey_progressives_hillary_isnt_the_enemy_im_a_sanders_supporter_but_im_sick_of_bernie_bros_clinton_derangement_syndrome/
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1. Hillary Clinton may not be as liberal as Bernie Sanders, either in her background or current policy positions, but that doesnt mean she isnt liberal.
There are plenty of valid liberal concerns about Clinton, from her decision as Senator to support the Iraq War to her unsettling coziness with Wall Street. While this certainly places her to the right of Sanders, that does not mean that she isnt a liberal herself. During her husbands presidency, Clinton took the lead in pushing for a progressive health care reform plan that was thwarted by many of the same special interest and ideological groups that later coalesced against the Affordable Care Act. Throughout the 00s, Clinton developed a reputation as a staunch legislative progressive, accumulating a record that placed her to the left of 85 percent of her fellow senators. There are even issues like gun control in which Clintons stance makes Sanders seem conservative by comparison. As Harry Enten recently explained at FiveThirtyEight.com, Clinton rates as a hard core liberal per the OnTheIssues.org scale. She is as liberal as Elizabeth Warren and barely more moderate than Bernie Sanders. And while Obama is also a hard core liberal, Clinton again was rated as more liberal than Obama.
Of course, none of this would mean very much if Clinton wasnt also campaigning on progressive policy stances. This brings us to our next point.
2. If Sanders supporters want his candidacy to have a lasting historical impact in the event that he doesnt win the nomination, their best chance rests in supporting Clintons candidacy.
Pundits have already noted that Clintons rhetoric and policy stances have moved to the left as a result of Sanders campaign. Her current platform advocates raising the minimum wage to $15-an-hour in high cost cities and states, raising capital gains taxes on high-earners, and protecting employees right to form labor unions
all positions that, to be sure, are either shared by Sanders or still fall slightly to the right of him, but none of which could be fairly described as anything other than progressive. Like Sanders, she has made income inequality a front-and-center issue in her campaign message, denouncing the American business culture that devalues employees contributions and declaring that we should reward businesses who invest in long-term value rather than the quick buckbecause that leads to higher growth for the economy, higher wages for workers, and yes, bigger profits, everybody will have a better time.
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randys1
(16,286 posts)so many do see her as the enemy
Innuendo implied
bobbobbins01
(1,681 posts)Anyone who hates earl grey is no fan of mine(or Captain Picard).
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)stand the heat get out of the kitchen.
bobbobbins01
(1,681 posts)If so, I'm confused.
rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)tecelote
(5,122 posts)...as a result of Sanders campaign."
Enough said.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)But probably both are true. Examination of her record over the decades shows that she tends to move left and right with the Democratic Party electorate.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Only the party establishment has which is why we keep losing control of the congress.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)but as a group they did become less liberal overall for a while. That's how I started as a moderate liberal and ended up being called a strong or radical liberal -- I didn't change. Some fairly moderate people even stopped identifying themselves as Democrat or liberal because they bought into the notion that there was something wrong with it. In any case, this is how Democrats came to support such horrible things as the three-strikes law in the numbers they did.
bowens43
(16,064 posts)she may not be the enemy but she is not a friend ..... she is not fit to be POTUS.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)or maybe you're not as logical as you think you are.
merrily
(45,251 posts)artislife
(9,497 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Autumn
(45,106 posts)Please Matthew Rozsa get over it and support Hillary.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)hootinholler
(26,449 posts)reformist2
(9,841 posts)hootinholler
(26,449 posts)Clickbait headline which Salon is better than, even though someone there seems to like clickbait headlines.
I have news for camp weathervane: This primary heat is nothing compare to what will come from those who actually have Clinton Derangement Syndrome. That would be whom I call the Talibornagain.
TSIAS
(14,689 posts)The term "BernieBro" has its origins with another candidate's supporters.
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)Her most ardent supporters on DU tend to be Canadians, and don't have the privilege to vote either for her or against her.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)Last edited Fri Nov 13, 2015, 06:13 PM - Edit history (1)
....unlike Bernie himself, many of his supporter don't seem to be people who want to engage in a civil conversation. Note that the post has received a large number of REC's but most of those people have not posted.
Bernie supporters won't get others to vote for your candidate by turning them off. Folks here would rather have a Bernie love fest and act like Republicans in trying to knock down other candidates rather than promoting their own. You don't get others to switch and for your candidate by ripping apart their original candidate of choice. Such tactics make folks defensive and more and more unwilling to join you.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)lived in Lafayette and know some folks up St. Martinville way.
Wishing you the best, despite us apparently being on odd ends of the Democratic candidates.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)That is I cannot identify anyone in my family tree who who was not a Cajun. One of my aunts traced many branches of my mothers family tree back into Canada (then Acadia, now Nova Scotia) and then back into France in the late 1600' and early 1700's I was born, grew up, and went to college in Lafayette. Of course I still have roots there, but now call Birmingham home. This state is where anyone to the left of Genghis Khan is considered a liberal.
I wish you the best because you are a Bernie supporter. I have nothing a against Bernie - though I do have some concerns about his electability in the general elections. I can imagine what the Republicans would try to do with the whole socialist identification thing. On the other hand I would certainly vote for him if he is the Democratic nominee.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)by not letting politics get in the way! One good friend > any politician
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)Chan790
(20,176 posts)Hillary from the day she first ran for the Senate has always been the enemy.
For some of us, the goal of securing the nomination for Sanders comes second to denying it to Hillary. I'm voting for Sanders because he's the most progressive candidate we have...but make no mistake, I'm voting against Hillary. That is what I am doing...I am voting against Hillary Clinton ever being the Democratic nominee for President, let alone actually President.
1.) She's not liberal. She's not even moderate. She's a center-to-center-right Democrat.
2.) I'm not even going treat as a rational argument worthy of rebuttal. It's analogous to Philippe Petain's argument that the best way to save France was to become a satellite-state to Nazi Germany. If Clinton secures the nomination...it's already all over for progressives. The only question is to we wish to facilitate our demise on the progressive left. It's a choice between the cattle-stunner and the cutthroat knife.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)And now rely almost solely on negative attacks against Sanders supporters. What are they so scared of? The electorate?
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)LiberalArkie
(15,719 posts)A person got banned recently for posting an article and they claimed that they could not tell it wasn't his thoughts because it wasn't in the excerpt box.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts).....certain to elicit angry responses.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)scrutinizing or own candidates is exactly what we're supposed to be doing.
so please, carry on.
hot kitchen phrase goes here.