2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHas Bernie Sanders just succumbed to demographic reality?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/11/12/bernie-sanders-needs-much-more-traction-among-black-voters-than-hes-seeing/
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leftofcool
(19,460 posts)This is a WAPO article but that won't matter.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)litlbilly
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Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Add me while your at it please... "Us people" would rather be on your ignore list.
litlbilly
(2,227 posts)Agschmid
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Cha
(297,299 posts)msanthrope
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DanTex
(20,709 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Because, you know, Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June.
Not a single vote has been cast, yet you continue to inflate Hillary's sense of entitlement, as discussed by Father Phleger circa 2008:
As illustrated by a Clinton supporter berating Nina Turner for changing her vote from Hillary to Bernie Sanders.
Link: http://www.cleveland.com/open/indelx.ssf/2015/11/nina_turner_changes_her_mind_o.htm
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Turner said she will take a leave of absence from her role as the Ohio Democratic Party's engagement chair as she helps Sanders with his bid for the nomination. She said her endorsement, which party insiders had been buzzing about for days once they heard it was possible, has resulted in some pushback from Clinton loyalists in Ohio.
"I was approached by a Clinton supporter who said that I am doing a disservice to the country," Turner said. "It was very insulting."
Clinton doesn't lack for prominent Ohio supporters. U.S. Rep. Marcia Fudge of Warrensville Heights endorsed Clinton in July. Reps. Tim Ryan of the Youngstown area and Joyce Beatty of Columbus also are on board.
Meanwhile, in an email, Ohio Democratic Party spokeswoman Kirstin Alvanitakis emphasized that the state party plans to remain neutral.
"The Ohio Democratic Party has not endorsed in the 2016 presidential primary -- we welcome, support and work with all Democratic candidates as they compete for the nomination and come to Ohio to talk with voters," Alvanitakis said.
bravenak
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BainsBane
(53,035 posts)since we today had yet another thread insisting Sanders has done more for Civil Rights than "almost anyone" in Congress. I guess they didn't do enough damage the first and second go around so are aiming for number three.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Cha
(297,299 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)DULInk: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251796678
Maybe...
Rogue Democrat
(71 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)I believe her.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)that he needs more support from poc if he is going to increase his numbers. i don't see an issue. every candidate has demos they need to improve on.
it aint over yet.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)Cha
(297,299 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Cha
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aikoaiko
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William769
(55,147 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)They just hadn't found the way to do it. The endorsement of former state senator Turner is a sign that they are beginning to get there.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)bravenak
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Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)It's just that CCM methodology doesn't account for them.
mythology
(9,527 posts)Making a claim that goes against the best practice method for determining support (at least before the election), requires something other than a statement.
Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)When we look at current Millennial voter preferences broken down by ethnicity, Bernie is still the clear winner amongst Caucasian, Black, and Hispanic young voters:
https://www.ypulse.com/post/view/the-votes-are-in-whos-winning-the-millennial-presidential-race
MellowDem
(5,018 posts)The Democratic Party is far too conservative to nominate someone like him. Most black people and a significant chunk of Democrats still oppose marriage equality, for example.
http://www.pewforum.org/2015/07/29/graphics-slideshow-changing-attitudes-on-gay-marriage/
I don't expect the Democratic Party to nominate anyone other than a moderate conservative, as they have for the past couple decades, because that's where the party is at.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Thank you so much for being open about your intentions. I get that alot, and the religious angle gets tossed at me alot too. You shoulda added that in too, then it would have been even more awesome.
MellowDem
(5,018 posts)So, instead of addressing the facts, you attack me as some sort of bully? What do you think my intentions are? I disagree with you that it's a demographic issue. It's an ideological and cultural issue IMHO, and Bernie won't win as a result. And not just among black voters, but that is what your OP is about, and that is where a lot of the divide is seen very clearly.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)get those votes.
MellowDem
(5,018 posts)I'm stating why Bernie won't win them or many other Democrats over.
Black voters do a heck of a lot better than white voters relatively when it comes to voting on a scale of ideology and policies, but that's just it, the US is very conservative, and DU creates a bubble of sorts. According to DU's terms of service, the view that most black people hold towards marriage equality is bigoted hate speech and is banned from the site. That may just be one little inkling of the kind of bubble DU is in, demographically and otherwise.
Heck, according to that same poll, over a third of Democrats have that view. What exactly are we expecting?
Clinton is a well known, very connected and very privileged politician in a political system that amply rewards all those traits, and she has been consistently status-quo conservative, only changing when most people have switched sides (as the marriage question well illustrated) kind of the definition of conservative to a degree. She will do very well in the modern Democratic Party.
Obama was way ahead on marriage equality, and he had to lie (IMHO) and switch his stance to one of a bigot for a couple years in order to be able to compete in the Democratic Party. That's the Party we have. Marriage equality is just one issue that really makes the point clear.
The policies and principles many DUers hold dear are still not widely held, even in the Democratic Party, unfortunately.
Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)I don't think it would be incorrect to suggest that there will be a fairly significant number of AA's in the Democratic Party who are socially conservative.
Black people are in no way more opposed to marriage equality than any other demographic group. But white social conservatives tend to be GOP, while conservatives from other demographic groups tend to lean Dem.
While I would like to see everybody accept marriage equality, I realize that the Democratic party is a big tent, and at least black conservatives (with the exception of the Ben Carson lunatic types) have the sense to realize that of the two major parties in this country, the Democratic Party is the better option.
