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RandySF

(58,911 posts)
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 10:56 PM Nov 2015

Poll Shows Hillary Clinton Is Seen as More Likely Than Bernie Sanders to Be Effective

With the Democratic presidential nomination contest all but officially a two-person race, Hillary Rodham Clinton appears vastly better positioned than Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont to persuade party primary voters that she would be more effective at passing her agenda and dealing with international crises, according to a New York Times/CBS News survey released Thursday.

Mrs. Clinton even undercuts Mr. Sanders on his core political message, with 62 percent of Democratic primary voters saying she could bring about real change in Washington, compared with 51 percent for Mr. Sanders.

The promise of change, always a popular lure in politics, is at the heart of a striking paradox in the Democratic race. Democratic primary voters say that the ability to deliver needed change is the most important quality they seek in a candidate, and Mr. Sanders’s popularity is highest with voters who want change. Yet 60 percent of Democrats also want their nominee to continue President Obama’s policies, and these voters support Mrs. Clinton over Mr. Sanders by about a 2-to-1 margin.

This advantage for Mrs. Clinton may reflect all-around skepticism that Mr. Sanders’s leftist candidacy can prevail: Her party’s primary voters expect Mrs. Clinton to be their eventual nominee by more than a 4-to-1 margin over Mr. Sanders.

His chief indictment against Mrs. Clinton, that she is an establishment politician who is captive to big-money special interests and inconsistent on liberal priorities, simply has not persuaded many Democrats to abandon her. While 84 percent of them see Mrs. Clinton as under the sway of special interests, she is still the heavy favorite among Democratic primary voters seeking a candidate who is a strong leader with the right experience to be president.


http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/13/us/politics/poll-shows-hillary-clinton-is-seen-as-more-likely-than-bernie-sanders-to-be-effective.html?_r=0

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Poll Shows Hillary Clinton Is Seen as More Likely Than Bernie Sanders to Be Effective (Original Post) RandySF Nov 2015 OP
If Sanders was unable to establish himself as a politician why in the hell does he remain in Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #1
He remains in congress because his constituents overwhelmingly support him in (re-)elections JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #5
The proof of what you are saying is in the number of endorsements, uh, one in congress, he does not Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #6
Republicans seem willing to work with him on Veterans affairs JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #8
Since Clinton has not been in congress since 2009 I doubt you will find many times she has worked on Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #9
Yes, and he is able to make progress with those who strongly disagree. My point exactly! n/t JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #10
With those who strongly disagree? Did not follow your logic. Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #11
Don't need to follow my logic. If you read the article, all will be clear. n/t JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #12
Oh, well, if it isnt important then it is not imprtant, no substance here. Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #13
Kick and Rec! I share the same sentiments with those Democrats who've been polled. BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #2
Also, the Senate has a strong upward - for Dems to again become the majority Iliyah Nov 2015 #3
What was wrong with the other one? Doctor_J Nov 2015 #4
Poll shows I don't give a FF about polls at this stage of the campaign. Martin Eden Nov 2015 #7
CAN she? is the wrong question ibegurpard Nov 2015 #14

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
1. If Sanders was unable to establish himself as a politician why in the hell does he remain in
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 11:10 PM
Nov 2015

Congress. Clinton is a mover and shaker, works with others, knows how to move on issues and apparently by Sanders grading of Clinton she has performed quiet well.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
5. He remains in congress because his constituents overwhelmingly support him in (re-)elections
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 12:10 AM
Nov 2015

Hope that helps.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
6. The proof of what you are saying is in the number of endorsements, uh, one in congress, he does not
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 12:16 AM
Nov 2015

Work well with others. Ted Kennedy worked well with other members, got things accomplished, worked across lines. A one man castle in congress just draws a pay check.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
9. Since Clinton has not been in congress since 2009 I doubt you will find many times she has worked on
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 12:28 AM
Nov 2015

Veterans issues since that time. BTW, he is in the committee.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
2. Kick and Rec! I share the same sentiments with those Democrats who've been polled.
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 11:13 PM
Nov 2015
Mrs. Clinton even undercuts Mr. Sanders on his core political message, with 62 percent of Democratic primary voters saying she could bring about real change in Washington, compared with 51 percent for Mr. Sanders.


This is the poll I've been looking for...the issue of which candidate can best get things done and bring real change in Washington. She has the experience, the political clout, and congressional support, and I'm happy to read that a majority of Democrats polled agree with me.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
3. Also, the Senate has a strong upward - for Dems to again become the majority
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 11:28 PM
Nov 2015

as well as strong gains in the house. The US Supreme Court, too.

Martin Eden

(12,870 posts)
7. Poll shows I don't give a FF about polls at this stage of the campaign.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 12:21 AM
Nov 2015

In fact, the response was 100% in favor of not giving a FF. I conducted the poll and was the only respondent.

One of the worst things about our political/electoral process is all the focus on the horse race, like it's a sporting event with fans wearing team colors.

Seriously, shouldn't a mature discussion board focus on ideas, qualifications, and plans to fix what's wrong with our country?

These incessant polls (some in favor of Bernie, some in favor of Hillary) are worse than useless. Essentially, they are taunts in a partisan spectator sport.

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
14. CAN she? is the wrong question
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 09:34 AM
Nov 2015

WILL she? Is the question everyone should be asking... and based on her record she won't.

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