2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSo, about this meme that you have to have bazillions of dollars
to compete in today's political environment. If that was the case, Jeb would be winning by a landslide, Meg Whitman would have been California's Governor and Carly Fiorina would have been one of it's Senators.
Keep fighting, Bernie supporters, it's been done before and we can do it again.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)Bernie has 700,000 people that send him money. And there is the hidden campaign money it can't be counted there is just no way to estimate the amount of money all the volunteers spend knocking on doors, going to canvassing meetings, and all the other volunteer campaign work.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)own meetings and actions.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)Those are the "intangibles" the Bean Counters hate because there's no way to quantify it.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)In the primary, it's basically Party candidates against one another and a few million should be enough.
However, once the primaries are over, Citizens United becomes all-important when Democrat campaigns against Republican for the White House. Big Money will begin to unite against their single adversary.
Since Sanders is principled and is bucking the Citizens United new rules, and has neither big donors in the primaries and definitely none (no Super PACs) for the G.E., he'll be an easy target to defeat by the GOP money machine and the Libertarian billionaires who want to destroy "Big Gubmint".
In this era of Citizens United, your preferred primary candidate has decided to handicap himself just before entering the ring. Not smart. Noble? Principled? Ethical? Morally sound? Absolutely. But not a winning strategy against an opponent who is willing to bring out the big guns while Sanders holds a water pistol.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)reddread
(6,896 posts)now why would that be necessary, let alone legal?
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)They are simply a propaganda arm
of the oligarchs.
The 4th Estate is long gone.
It seems the money buys ADVERTISING.
It keeps the flow of money flowing
from the top, to the enablers.
reddread
(6,896 posts)contributions flowing one way, votes flowing the other.
big media budgets, no nasty (or for that matter, fair) coverage.
total abrogation of responsibilities in place and inherent from the
dawn of broadcasting, no matter how they shed them, crimes against democracy.
believing a word or apparent action from criminals like that
is a bad idea.
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)reddread
(6,896 posts)dsc
(52,162 posts)Jeb is losing to people who also have money (he isn't losing to Kasich for example).
Omaha Steve
(99,660 posts)SunSeeker
(51,574 posts)This is not a state office campaign in a blue state. The Fiorina and Whitman examples in California, where very popular and well known and well financed Dem Governor and Senate candidates were on the ballot (Jerry Brown and Barbara Boxer), are just not applicable.
Bernie cannot do this on $10 Act Blue internet donations and no super pac help. Ask Russ Feingold.
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)At $5 billion, what does
that breakdown to per vote?
What other nation spends
that kind of money to elect leaders?
NONE.
It's a symptom of the cancer
that plagues of political system.
It's a sure sign of corruption.
SunSeeker
(51,574 posts)How about addressing my point?
How is unilateral disarmament going to get us what we want?
eridani
(51,907 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Response to MohRokTah (Reply #16)
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eridani
(51,907 posts)The game has changed with traditional media seeing significant aging of viewership, and social media and podcasting taking on increasingly important roles.
SunSeeker
(51,574 posts)eridani
(51,907 posts)Mostly people who won't vote for Democrats anyway.
SunSeeker
(51,574 posts)eridani
(51,907 posts)TV viewing is way down, with the median age of broadcast TV reaching an all time high of 54.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Ask Scott Walker and Jeb! Jeb! has about $200 million. Walker has the Koch Brothers. Money can't buy you love.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)and money doesn't translate to votes. That's why all these, "But Brown and . . . state elections . . . and established candidates" reactions. Money changing hands between the .01%ers is all they know.
BUT, we have to keep him viable throughout the early primary states so the REST OF THE COUNTRY can have the option of voting for him.
brooklynite
(94,598 posts)reddread
(6,896 posts)Nay
(12,051 posts)campaign, display energy, etc.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)"and connect with key constituencies, within your parties base."
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)And Sanders just does not have the fund raising capability in order to win a GE.
End of story.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)Response to Rosa Luxemburg (Reply #24)
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1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)a fantasy fueled meme at that.
Unless I'm misunderstanding your point, HRC has the money to compete in this CU age; however, Bernie and O'Malley, do not ... less so, O'Malley, because he has not foreclosed on fund raising streams.
That was the fantasy part.
Uncle Joe
(58,366 posts)Thanks for the thread, Le Taz Hot.