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Hillary opposes cancer research, girl scouts and apple pie. (Original Post) randys1 Nov 2015 OP
She also cooks with kittens. Which is gross. But I hear it tastes like chicken. Squinch Nov 2015 #1
I'd expect to see the same charges leveled against Bernie, frankly villager Nov 2015 #2
Y'all need to get a grip. Unrec. n/t demmiblue Nov 2015 #3
Do you mean Hillary stole that from us TOO? Hortensis Nov 2015 #33
Bathes in the blood of virgins... MrWendel Nov 2015 #4
I saw her take a donut out of the hands of a homeless person. randys1 Nov 2015 #5
Know how I know that someone's feeling exhausted from defending the indefensible? Romulox Nov 2015 #6
Indefensible? Hillary? Thank you for proving my point. randys1 Nov 2015 #7
Very good question! nt Romulox Nov 2015 #9
So you cant? You cant support the Democratic party unless you get your way? randys1 Nov 2015 #17
LOL. Nice try (I guess?). Romulox Nov 2015 #19
Nope, I am not here for that. I am here to scream at people who are selfish, it makes me randys1 Nov 2015 #37
But you *don't* count your obscenely wealthy candidate amongst the selfish? Romulox Nov 2015 #39
Not that kind of selfish. I mean men who will take their ball and go home even if it means randys1 Nov 2015 #41
Post removed Post removed Nov 2015 #8
Oh, now joking about sexual assault is funny. demmiblue Nov 2015 #11
Nope not funny. randys1 Nov 2015 #38
"Here, have a dollar. In fact, nah brotherman, here have two." Romulox Nov 2015 #12
But I'm sure she does it in such a way that she can "evolve" (change her position) at the drop of a poll tularetom Nov 2015 #10
oh, she has the power, yup. riversedge Nov 2015 #13
Like a guy who... MrWendel Nov 2015 #15
Umhm. She arrived on earth as a green blob. Hortensis Nov 2015 #35
Hell, I heard her say this to a small child: MineralMan Nov 2015 #14
Don't worry, that re-incarnation was dealt with severely! IIRC... n/t freshwest Nov 2015 #24
I'm melting....melting.... MineralMan Nov 2015 #32
Special effects are better now. They did their best for that era. n/t freshwest Nov 2015 #34
nice try ibegurpard Nov 2015 #16
I wish we had a head shaking emoticon here randys1 Nov 2015 #20
She did... MrWendel Nov 2015 #18
Hill was once caught ... NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #21
I believe it. She was caught wearing headbands too. Hortensis Nov 2015 #28
She is actually MrWendel Nov 2015 #22
And no air conditioning? I'm appalled! n/t freshwest Nov 2015 #31
Juror #3 must be having a fit right about now. William769 Nov 2015 #23
DU needs to lighten up, heh, Bill? Laughing at oneself is a sign of sanity. n/t freshwest Nov 2015 #26
And we all know what causes insanity. William769 Nov 2015 #27
Clinton Has 45-To-1 'Superdelegate' Advantage Over Sanders. stonecutter357 Nov 2015 #25
She was a running buddy of Saul Alinsky. She worked in the committee preparing to indict Nixon! freshwest Nov 2015 #29
5 reasons not to support HRC Dandilions Nov 2015 #30
She KICKS puppies for distance AND ACCURACY!...nt SidDithers Nov 2015 #36
This one traveled 50 feet ... JoePhilly Nov 2015 #40
Sid, those are straw dogs, not puppies. Just sayin' n/t freshwest Nov 2015 #42
bwah! artislife Nov 2015 #43
 

villager

(26,001 posts)
2. I'd expect to see the same charges leveled against Bernie, frankly
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 03:33 PM
Nov 2015

In the utter ridiculousness of the present DU climate....

randys1

(16,286 posts)
7. Indefensible? Hillary? Thank you for proving my point.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 03:37 PM
Nov 2015

How could you vote for someone you think is so awful if she is the nominee?

randys1

(16,286 posts)
17. So you cant? You cant support the Democratic party unless you get your way?
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 03:45 PM
Nov 2015

This isnt a gotcha to get you banned, it is about selfishness

randys1

(16,286 posts)
37. Nope, I am not here for that. I am here to scream at people who are selfish, it makes me
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 05:22 PM
Nov 2015

crazy to think they exist, so I need to scream at them

randys1

(16,286 posts)
41. Not that kind of selfish. I mean men who will take their ball and go home even if it means
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 05:28 PM
Nov 2015

Women will die in illegal back alley abortions.

that kind of thing

Response to Romulox (Reply #6)

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
10. But I'm sure she does it in such a way that she can "evolve" (change her position) at the drop of a poll
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 03:38 PM
Nov 2015

See, you don't really grasp the fact that she has no core beliefs beyond being president and making a shitload of money.

MrWendel

(1,881 posts)
15. Like a guy who...
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 03:44 PM
Nov 2015

tried to primary president Obama, wanting someone to challenge him in March of 2011. I wonder who that somebody was that he thought might challenge him if successful? Hmmmmm....

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
14. Hell, I heard her say this to a small child:
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 03:44 PM
Nov 2015

"I'll get you, my pretty, and your little dog, too."

I just can't remember where...

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
16. nice try
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 03:45 PM
Nov 2015

You find me a silly non-issue like this that people here are pinning on Hillary. And no her bullshit stupid lie about trying to join the Marines doesn't count because it shows how cavalierly she will lie about something to make herself look good.

NanceGreggs

(27,815 posts)
21. Hill was once caught ...
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 03:46 PM
Nov 2015

... wearing white shoes after Labor Day.

True story, just not widely reported.

MrWendel

(1,881 posts)
22. She is actually
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 04:02 PM
Nov 2015

a bond villain with her own island with a fake volcano that is really her secret base for campaign headquarters.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
29. She was a running buddy of Saul Alinsky. She worked in the committee preparing to indict Nixon!
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 04:44 PM
Nov 2015

But he escaped impeaching by resigning first! EPIC FAIL!

I don't know about the cancer research, but I think everyone is against cancer.

I'll bet she was never a Girl Scout, either!

See, we can say anything we want and it might stick!

I can tell you, though, that her being against apple pie really hurts my feelings. I'll have some applesauce to get back at her for that!

*I AM KIDDING HERE!*

See the icon:

 

Dandilions

(75 posts)
30. 5 reasons not to support HRC
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 04:44 PM
Nov 2015

1. Foreign Policy

As secretary of state, Hillary Clinton was reportedly one of the most hawkish members of President Obama's cabinet, pushing for the 2009 troop surge in Afghanistan and US intervention in Libya. She has also been a vocal proponent of the same drone war that has led to the deaths of 2,400 civilians. In her recent memoir, Hard Choices, she bragged about having presided over the imposition of "crippling sanctions" on the Iranian economy during her tenure as secretary of state. These crippling sanctions are a form of collective punishment and have benefited the wealthy only, while making life miserable for everyone else. In an interview with Atlantic columnist Jeffrey Goldberg in August 2014, she further outlined her views on Iran, staking out a maximalist position on Iranian nuclear enrichment, which effectively opens the door to military intervention. She also suggested that the United States should have done more to intervene in Syria, by, in her words, creating a "credible fighting force," while the lack of said force led to the rise of ISIS. In addition, she vociferously defended Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's handling of the assault on Gaza. Not surprisingly, her bellicose rhetoric has received praise from neocon luminary Robert Kagan. Senator Clinton's vote in favor of the Iraq war, a vote for which it took her more than a decade to express regret, was clearly not a temporary lapse in judgment.

2. Economy

Her recent foray into vague populist rhetoric notwithstanding, Clinton has long nurtured close ties to the financial sector. Over the course of her political career, JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley and Citigroup have been among her top political donors, in addition to giving heavily to the Clinton Foundation. In October 2013, Clinton received $400,000 to speak at two Goldman Sachs events and delivered what was described as a "reassuring message" to the assembled bankers. In all likelihood, a second Clinton administration would involve the appointment of industry insiders to regulatory posts in the perpetually revolving door between Wall Street and the federal government. It's understandable then that her friends on Wall Street would be quick to shrug off her halfhearted attempt to shore up her left flank as anything but substantive. Nobody who was genuinely concerned with economic inequity would be hobnobbing with some of the same economic institutions whose reckless financial schemes helped engineer the 2008 economic collapse.

Hillary Clinton has a long history of being willing to serve the interests of large corporations. In 1976, while serving as legal counsel for the Rose Law Firm, she represented several Arkansas utilities companies that sued the state after a ballot initiative (sponsored by conservative boogeyman Acorn) passed that decreased utilities rates on Little Rock residents and increased them on businesses. In defending the utilities conglomerates, she argued that the initiative amounted to an unconstitutional seizure of property. The judge ruled in these companies' favor.

3. Environment

As Grist magazine reported, during her tenure as secretary of state, Clinton took an active role in promoting hydrofracking worldwide through the Global Shale Gas Initiative. Clinton's State Department, and in some cases she personally, lobbied on behalf of companies like Chevron intent on expanding the practice, particularly in countries like Bulgaria and Romania where there was widespread public skepticism. This lobbying was met with mixed success, as Chevron eventually pulled out of Bulgaria due to a moratorium, while Romania's moratorium was repealed following US lobbying. Since stepping down as secretary of state, Clinton has continued to express support for the practice, which she outlined in a September 2014 speech to the National Clean Energy Summit. She has also remained disturbingly silent on the issue of the Keystone XL pipeline.

4. Civil Liberties

If you have been outraged by the Obama administration's abysmal record on civil liberties - from its continuation of NSA spying, rampant secrecy and overzealous prosecution of whistleblowers - and would like to see a change in the post 9/11 status quo, then Hillary Clinton is the last candidate you should expect change from. In the Senate, she voted for the Patriot Act as well as its subsequent reauthorization. In an appearance in April 2014 at the University of Connecticut, she defended NSA surveillance and chastised whistleblower Edward Snowden, accusing him of supporting terrorism.

5. Culture Wars

Clinton has a long history of cynical pandering on hot button social and culture war issues. As a senator, she frequently co-sponsored legislation that would make many on the left cringe. In 2005, she joined a bipartisan group of senators in signing onto the Workplace Religious Freedom Act, which, according to the ACLU, would effectively have legalized discrimination. Later that same year, she introduced a bill that would have made flag burning a felony.

In addition, she has an extensive history of anti-video game demagoguery, something that wouldn't exactly endear her to younger voters. In July 2005, she called upon the Federal Trade Commission to launch an investigation into Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas over the "hot coffee mod" - a sexually explicit mini-game within GTA. This led to the game's rating being changed to Adults Only until Rockstar Games removed it from shelves. In November 2005, she introduced legislation that would have banned the sale of games rated M for mature to anybody under the age of 17. Two years later, she again introduced similar legislation in the middle of her first presidential bid.

It's also worthwhile to note that many secular Americans would find some of the company she keeps disturbing. Beginning in 1993, Clinton was a member of "The Fellowship," a clandestine and influential evangelical group, which has recruited many prominent figures in business and politics and holds meetings in gender-segregated "cells."

If you agree with these positions, then by all means, Hillary Rodham Clinton is your candidate. If, however, you want a more peaceful foreign policy at a time in which an entire younger generation of Americans have never known anything other than a state of permanent undeclared war, or if you would prefer to see Wall Street and NSA spying reined in, then you should find a better candidate to support. If we don't address these vitally important issues now and Hillary does become the nominee following a no contest primary, then to get a change in the status quo, we will have to wait until 2020, if she loses (in which case we'd face the terrifying possibility of an ultra-reactionary Republican Party in control of the White House and both houses of Congress), or 2024, if she wins. Neither of these options bodes well for the future of the Democratic Party or the country.

If, as progressives, we simply allow ourselves to fall in line behind a Democratic establishment that smugly mocks us, then we will forever be marginalized and beholden to a political system in which the Overton window is permanently slanted to the right.



By Joseph Mulkerin, Truthout | Op-Ed
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