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Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 06:52 PM Nov 2015

Complaining about Superdelegates at this point is kinda sad.

Everybody knew the rules before the game started. Bernie knew the rules before he finally became a member of the team.

That's like complaining that the free throw line is too close during the NBA finals.

It's too late for that.

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Complaining about Superdelegates at this point is kinda sad. (Original Post) Cali_Democrat Nov 2015 OP
I'v always thought the free throw line was too close. NV Whino Nov 2015 #1
I don't know how a pro can possibly hit less than 80% of his free throws. Vattel Nov 2015 #18
Add to which, this isn't a "lump sum" award to rig the outcome... brooklynite Nov 2015 #2
It is like crashing a house party and then complaining about the furniture! Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #3
Yes, Hillary "owns the house". I believe the financing is provided by Wall St and special interests. JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #12
You are welcome to join the party - have a drink - but you are not allowed to move the furniture! Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #13
If you win the primary after losing the elections, that would be extremely sad. plus5mace Nov 2015 #4
If you don't like the furniture get your own house and your own furniture, new poster! Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #14
There is nothing democratic about "superdelegates" - it smacks of rigging, and everyone knows it. reformist2 Nov 2015 #5
. MohRokTah Nov 2015 #10
Hillary supporters keep bring them up AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #6
If it comes down to the "superdelegates" swinging it ibegurpard Nov 2015 #7
If it comes to that it will be game over for the Democrats AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #9
You really don't understand the purpose of the Super Delegates, do you? MohRokTah Nov 2015 #11
so then there is no issue. restorefreedom Nov 2015 #15
The only way they don't is if it's really too close to call... MohRokTah Nov 2015 #16
my gut tells me that however it goes... restorefreedom Nov 2015 #17
People give lots of reasons for the super count. NCTraveler Nov 2015 #8
The superdelegates were mentioned on NPR today. Karma13612 Nov 2015 #19
I would expect no more from them. if bernie's not winning Super Delegates it has to be anyone Cha Nov 2015 #20
 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
18. I don't know how a pro can possibly hit less than 80% of his free throws.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 10:56 PM
Nov 2015

No excuse.

edited to add: Superdelegates suck.

brooklynite

(94,595 posts)
2. Add to which, this isn't a "lump sum" award to rig the outcome...
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 06:55 PM
Nov 2015

...each individual Superdelegate had to be wooed, or decided to support Clinton on their own.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
13. You are welcome to join the party - have a drink - but you are not allowed to move the furniture!
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 09:28 PM
Nov 2015

And it is a house anyone can join because it belongs to all the members!

plus5mace

(140 posts)
4. If you win the primary after losing the elections, that would be extremely sad.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 07:23 PM
Nov 2015

If Bernie, or anyone else, gets more actual delegates than Hillary, super-delegates will flip as they did for Obama. Winning candidates suddenly find themselves very popular with other politicians.

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
7. If it comes down to the "superdelegates" swinging it
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 07:28 PM
Nov 2015

Then you better believe there will be hell to pay. Right now they aren't an issue. They need to reflect the will of the voters in general.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
11. You really don't understand the purpose of the Super Delegates, do you?
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 07:50 PM
Nov 2015

Super Delegates have never determined the outcome of a primary and would only do so if it came down to a convention floor vote. I guarantee you, if by some magical miracle Sanders actually won more state delegates that Hillary (about a 0.0000000000000001% chance), the super delegates would switch sides so fast it would make your head spin.

In fact, 50 did so when it became clear Obama was going to win the nomination in 2008.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
15. so then there is no issue.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 09:45 PM
Nov 2015

the supers will support the will of the people. i don't see what all the hoopla is about honestly.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
16. The only way they don't is if it's really too close to call...
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 10:23 PM
Nov 2015

and no candidate has the required 50%+1 delegates chosen in the primaries, then the super delegates will make the final decision.

In essence, they will serve to break what would really be a tie.

I cannot deny that this produces another hurdle for Sanders. He must clearly win and that's an almost impossible bar, because in anything resembling a tie, Hillary will come out on top.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
17. my gut tells me that however it goes...
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 10:49 PM
Nov 2015

it won't be that close. if bernie wins, it will be because a tide turns and he will win with enough margin. i could be really wrong, just a gut feeling.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
8. People give lots of reasons for the super count.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 07:37 PM
Nov 2015

I think it shows she learned from '08. Obama and his team were extremely strong networkers. It's damn near all they did for a bit and it's still going on today. How aggressive he was in that area paid off big. Much of that has transferred over to Clinton. It's been a big part of her teams focus.

Karma13612

(4,552 posts)
19. The superdelegates were mentioned on NPR today.
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 12:23 AM
Nov 2015

NPR announced that Hillary has now secured over 50% of the superdelegate's support and commitments.

Basically, it was just a dog whistle tactic. For those not fully aware of the superdelegate arrangement, many listeners are thinking that Hillary has sewn up the nomination. It's a foregone conclusion.

And that always sets in motion the feeling that you should vote for the winner, before the winner is even decided.

So, it's a tricky little way to get more people thinking that they might as well vote for Hillary in the primaries because she is already in the lead with superdelegates.

A self-fulfilling prophecy.

Once again, NPR is playing games.

Darn it.

Cha

(297,304 posts)
20. I would expect no more from them. if bernie's not winning Super Delegates it has to be anyone
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 03:05 AM
Nov 2015

else's fault but his.

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