Can you guys dial it back a notch? The Bernie/Hillary war is getting sad and ruining the rest of DU.

[Rex]

Thanks.

[Ron Green]

1. There's a lot of Middle School action going on here.

People running the dozens on at least one of the candidates.

[longship]

6. No! Pre-school, my friend. Pre-school.

Most of it is like a room full of spoiled two year olds.

I find it disgusting and rather sad.

One wonders why anybody would think such behavior would benefit their candidate, let alone the Democratic Party chances in 2016.

GROW UP, CHILDREN!

[TheBlackAdder]

47. There are 5-10 preschoolers, on each side, who just can't knock this shit off! Seems clinical.

.


And those toddlers, or their friends, know who they are and will flag this post as 'hurtful.'


.

[longship]

50. I agree, but it makes the whole board suck a lot more. nt

[villager]

2. "Sad" is actually a very good word for it.

n/t

[Journeyman]

3. You don't really read that nonsense, do you? . . .

I realized, elections ago, that whatever good primary information might be available on DU isn't worth the wade through the muck to find it. Better to seek that sort of knowledge elsewhere.

(And hey, if it gets to bothering you too much, you can always trash a forum or three.)

[pacalo]

5. Hahaaa!

[EV_Ares]

20. Agree Journeyman, used to come to DU quite a bit but not so much anymore because so much in-fighting

As you say can get better info elsewhere anymore. Really needs to be something those in charge of DU need to get a handle on would say.

[Rex]

68. I made the mistake of getting caught up in it.

I know, my stupid fault. I hate trashing forums.

[Major Hogwash]

4. What is weird is that this is about the same level of vitriol that was present in 2008.

Except this time it is not the same team of cheerleaders for Hillary.
Have you noticed that?

I also noticed that without moderators, there is very little brake action on what people will say here now.
I'm not Jewish, but if I were, I don't think I'd be reading much of what is being said about Bernie.

[Fumesucker]

9. Yep, from Rovian manipulator too stupid to be President to bestest candidate EVAH!

[Rex]

46. I skipped the 2008 primaries, didn't want to see the bloodbath.

I know everyone wants their candidate to win and that competition can really get heated. Just that this is spilling over into other forums and groups and making it miserable for those folks.

I am glad I skipped 2008...was it this bad too?

[Spitfire of ATJ]

7. It has it's entertainment value....

[lovemydog]

12. true that

[lovemydog]

16. Hi kenwood730s.

Welcome here. Have fun.

[Helen Borg]

28. Is that a Hillary supporter?

[longship]

8. DU is close to a toxic waste dump these days.

Such childishness should be against the TOS.

Why can't these children learn to act like adults and disagree respectfully? After all, we are all allegedly on the same team here.

R&

[Rex]

48. I dunno, even after a fight most people seem to be able to make up and at least be considerate

to each other. But this B/H war stuff is just something else, some of the things said about both candidates is vile and disgusting.

[longship]

53. I always try to be respectful in my disagreements here.

Furthermore, I have no intention whatsoever to reveal my primary intentions here. I do not want to plunge myself into that vat of necrotizing fasciitis. So I will keep that info to myself.

My best to you.

[Rex]

54. Good to see you too.

I always knew you were smarter than the av-er-age bear!

[longship]

55. Thank you. The same to you. nt

[trueblue2007]

99. I AGREE ABOUT THE DIS-RESPECT HERE. If this crap happens here after our candidate is named

i will stop coming here forever.

We are Democrats!!!!!

[Rex]

104. It won't.

No matter who it ends up being, once we have a candidate we do everything we can to get them elected. Anyone talking trash at the point is going to end up in timeout land and fast.

That is not my opinion either, those are the rules from the site owners.

[Lil Missy]

10. No kidding. it's beyond ridiculous.

[lovemydog]

11. (en sotto voce)

I agree.

[Skittles]

13. seems too many DUers are 100% behind a politician

that is always a mistake

[lovemydog]

14. Hiya Skittles.

That's a really good point.

I'm enjoying being not 100% behind one now. I actually like some parts of all three and am not so sure about other parts.

What was it like here during the Clinton - Obama primary? Was it pretty crazy then too?

[Warren DeMontague]

17. Primary season on DU, summed up in one image.

Folks who got here within the last 7 years can be forgiven for not getting it; obviously when the election is for the 2nd term of an incumbent (D) President the primary landscape is pretty different.

But 2004? 2008? Both were a fucking MESS around here.

[lovemydog]

21. Thanks. That's a cool painting.

Trying to think of who painted it. I bet Ct. Yankee would know.

Reminds me of the one called Dempsey-Firpo, around the 1920's or so. I kind of suck at art history but I do appreciate it.

[deutsey]

23. I think this film clip seems closer to home this time around

Especially after a new set of polls comes out.

[gregcrawford]

44. Yeah...

... Thanksgiving is like that at my house, too!

[Hepburn]

65. So it's the guests and not the turkey that gets carved?

[gregcrawford]

71. And I've got the scars to prove it!

[trueblue2007]

114. it should not be this way.

this place is hurting my heart.

[Fumesucker]

19. What's really interesting is the former Hillary haters who now looooove her...

I can think of at least three who said really extreme negative stuff about Hillary back then who now hold her to be the most qualified candidate in the history of the universe.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251658816

One of the things you would expect of someone who really has good experience and judgment is that they can articulate a basic set of principles and positions on issues that they can run on and defend and that stay relatively static. I'm not saying you have to stick to them in the face of overwhelming evidence that one of your positions has been proven to be wrong, like George W. Bush does, even someone who has good experience and judgment occasionally changes their mind. That is not what we have with Hillary. Hillary gives a different opinion on the same subjects every couple of weeks depending on her audience and what she thinks it will net her. As evidence of this is now coming out and is going to be presented to the American people in the starkest terms, how can one be expected to trust her to do anything that she says she is going to do? How can one really know what she believes or intends to do about anything? The only things Hillary's experience seems to be good for is perfecting how to talk out of both sides of her mouth, engaging in the politics of personal destruction and other aspects of her ruthless pursuit of power that remind one of what a Karl Rove might do. That kind of person ought not to be the Democratic nominee.

[lovemydog]

22. I know. It's kind of interesting. I suppose some can hone

their rhetorical skills in different ways in different elections. Though I do kind of like that poster and don't want to be too rude about it.

[Fumesucker]

29. Think about who has a well developed and playful sense of humor and who doesn't

That's one of the ways I tell who is a liberal and who conservative.

We discussed Dennis Miller recently. He's still articulate and facile but he's not funny any more, he's coming from a place of fear now.

[lovemydog]

31. Yeah, good point.

We have nothing to fear but fear .... aaaah fuck it! Run for the hills!

[Cosmic Kitten]

56. Miller punches down, that kills the funny.

Liberal humor is at it's best when
it challenges the Establishment.

[deutsey]

25. It has that whole "1984" vibe going, doesn't it?

On the sixth day of Hate Week, after the processions, the speeches, the shouting, the singing, the banners, the posters, the films, the waxworks, the rolling of drums and squealing of trumpets, the tramp of marching feet, the grinding of the caterpillars of tanks, the roar of massed planes, the booming of guns – after six days of this, when the great orgasm was quivering to its climax and the general hatred of Eurasia had boiled up into such delirium that if the crowd could have got their hands on the 2,000 Eurasian war-criminals who were to be publicly hanged on the last day of the proceedings, they would unquestionably have torn them to pieces – at just this moment it had been announced that Oceania was not after all at war with Eurasia. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Eurasia was an ally.

[Fumesucker]

32. It's shown up on a wide array of issues

Right back to the FISA vote it was obvious a lot of posters were all about the candidate or maybe the party rather than any particular principle.

[Adrahil]

39. Dude, I hear you like bashing!

somhere's a post bashing Hillary supporters in a thread about hating bashing!

[Fumesucker]

40. Ironic, isn't it?

[NCTraveler]

72. You and I are who the op is directed at.

And you took away any doubt with this post.

[Rex]

79. No not at all.

I think everyone has had a hand in going overboard in defending who they want as our next POTUS. I think some of it is the feeling of sheer desperation of a need to win at all cost...because the alternative is too horrible for us to imagine (POTUS Trump/Cruz).

Unlike the irrational fear the GOP feeds on like mana...Trump/Cruz is a very real fear and I can understand why there is such tension. With the way laws are on the books, another GOP WH would finish this country off imo.

[NCTraveler]

81. Thank you for following up.

I was certain you were talking about instances where posters here compare people to Rove and the such. As the post I replied to did. I didn't get what you were saying clearly. I appreciate it.

[Rex]

84. I appreciate the civility in this thread and feel bad now, the next day after

for writing it so late at night and with anger/snark. I did not word it well at all, but am glad people get the idea and are not ripping into me for being obtuse and snarky. I should have skipped primary season.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

93. Let me add a nuance regarding this primary.

For me the issue of an HRC victory in this primary is a complex question.

Unquestionably, her domestic policies (mainly neoliberal and incrementalist in nature) would generally be much better than the pure Reagan/Bush policies we can expect from the GOP, although Trump and Carson remain wild cards.

Her SCOTUS nominees would unquestionably be better than any GOP candidate.

However, her hawkish foreign policy could conceivably be even worse than say, Rubio or Jeb.

She would certainly be more subject to beneficial lobbying on climate change than any GOP prez. However her record is one of incrementalism domestically since she failed on a big health care initiative in 1993, so I am not optimistic.

Having said all of that, her incrementalist, Business As Usual policies on climate change could very well be fatal for the existence of humanity. This to me is the key and could well render moot any SCOTUS appointees or better domestic policies. In other words, if humanity is extinct in 200 years due to a closed window of opportunity in 2017, what difference will a better SCOTUS make in 2024?

I believe that transformative change is our only hope for saving civilization. Therefore I believe there is a moral imperative for electing Bernie as our next president.

[Rex]

97. I can understand that.

However I see a much larger problem looming on the horizon. We are not the planet, we consume a lot of it's resources and yet China and other industrialized nations are starting to gobble up more too. Every year there is a higher demand. Every year there are more people and less wildlife. In a sense, we are eating up the planet faster then it can regenerate and maintain equilibrium.

We have reached a point where the global community will have to come together to start working on fighting climate change...can we do it as a species? Even the best POTUSes can only clean up our neck of the woods. Would we go to war in order to force nations to start fighting climate change?

In 100 years we will be fighting over clean water, wars will be fought over pollution and waste. IMO the world will look nothing like it does in 2015. I think even a transformative figure like Sanders might be too little too late. We needed the UN to act decades ago and so far we have produced nothing but more waste and empty promises to 'do better as a species'.

If we don't do better as a species, we all die together as a species.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

107. I believe we can lead the world.

We did in Kyoto in 1997 because of Gore. Nothing has been done since, but I believe Obama may do so in Paris in a couple of weeks.

The main problem on the international front has been a lack of American leadership since 1988.

[Rex]

108. We spend all our time being the global police and none being the global janitor.

I forgot about Kyoto, you are right maybe we can do it.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

111. For the sake of the planet,

I hope you are right and I am wrong about Hillary. Thanks for a thoughtful discussion.

[Rex]

118. I have to accept the evolution of groups as a natural process.

We are by our own nature, nature. The GOP is by it's nature troglodytes, but that is another story. I get in a lot of trouble for calling GOPers names...I can't help it.

HRC and Bernie are really not the issue here when you scale out and talk about corporations owning chunks of states and nations. What is a POTUS compared to GE? Which one stays forever and writes policy decade after decade?

Unless we have 20 something groups, two is bipolar and when one plays Jeckle the other plays Hide. It is not a healthy relationship for the planet, it might work for America but IT will eventually consume us in our own environment.

CC is not like a virus or bacteria, we will be helpless after the cascade point. It is a matter of nature and history. And now human influence.

Why are people so scared of how we influence the world in some ways and then ignore the enormous influences in the air and ground in others? The weather? I know why and this is not meant to be offensive, but we are so tiny in scale that some cannot fathom the body they live on.

We don't think about the living body that allows us to be alive at all times. Nobody does anymore. Coke bought be polar bears so maybe they will save us a few.

Good conversation.

[Skittles]

110. yes, it was crazy then too

the swooners syndrome was in full force

[winter is coming]

43. I think we all know the only reason you'd get 100% behind a candidate, Skittles,

and that makes candidates nervous.

[Rex]

49. Couldn't agree more Skittles.

We are the diversity party or we were.

[barbtries]

24. ditto

i come here by habit. thank you. people grow up. we don't all agree, but supposedly we do all agree that we are democrats and that a republican in the white house would be an absolute travesty.

[Fumesucker]

26. Yeah, but that is exactly the reason for the extreme division here

We are feeling desperate, trapped. If Republicans run the table and get all three branches we are done for and we know it.

I think the Republicans have a better chance with Clinton than Sanders but I also think Clinton has a better chance than Sanders of getting the nomination.

That scares me.

[Nay]

57. I think we all feel trapped, that's for sure. I also think that many of us

see Sanders as the only candidate talking truthfully about ANY of the very serious issues we face in ANY kind of a historically democratic way. We see Clinton as basically a 1980's Republican who is taking on some of the ideals of the crazy right wing (taxes bad!). Although we'd hope she would at least put in decent Supreme Court nominees, we can't be sure of that.

[BeyondGeography]

27. I like people in both camps so I try not to get involved

Especially since it's been very clear from the get-go who's going to win. Most of my domestic political emotion is spent grieving the impending end of the Obama presidency.

[lovemydog]

30. Oh, same here.

I truly like President Obama a great deal and never drank any of the Haterade against him. If we get another democratic president (and I think we need one) I won't drink any against him or her either.

[BeyondGeography]

34. Hating/perpetually dumping on Democrats is a luxury item

Given the challenges at home and abroad. It will make you popular here, but so what.

[lovemydog]

35. Yup.

I think that's one reason people abroad take such interest in our politics. The effects can be dramatically different. Obama's presidency has been greeted very well overall worldwide. When W. was reelected, few overseas could even believe it. There was that famous headline in a London newspaper 'How Can So Many Americans Be So Stupid?' or words to that effect.

[BeyondGeography]

38. The Bush selection changed our circumstances for the worse, everyone's

And the reason why it was even possible was not enough of Gore's likely voters voted for him. But that was so 16 years ago for some people.

[MrMickeysMom]

33. I await your next OP... Let's talk about some issues...

Here are but a few suggestions....

Pay inequity since the 1950, starting with corporate CEO salaries and incentives

Poverty of children in the U.S.

Minimum wage

Wars of aggression

Human Bill of Rights

Our great grandparents/grandparents oppression in their country of origin

CLIMATE CHANGE

Alternative energy and the elimination of gas and oil environmental destruction

Unitary executive actions of George W Bush's affect on civil liberties

Meet you at your OP ...

[99Forever]

45. Yup, no kidding.

Funny how speaking to the issues has become a rarity.

[Rex]

51. Throw all the bums out and start over.

[corkhead]

36. there's a dozen or so that you can put on ignore that changes the tenor of this site immediately

It has worked wonders for me. I had to do the same 8 years ago.

Last time I released them all from ignore prison after the primary was decided. Funny, a lot of the same characters are back in it again. My experience has been that I have found the recidivism rate to be rather high.

[Scootaloo]

101. Right? ~10 total.

Weirdly? it seems to be about the same group of people I ignored when they were howling for blood on sand back in 2013. it wasn't 2008-level crazy I suppose, but it's interesting ot note the consistency.

[Ford_Prefect]

37. It's the End of the World as We Know It! (Feeling fine is not an option).

I agree with the sentiments of the OP and the thread. I can't look at some of what passes for dialogue and debate recently without wanting to flip to another channel.

I've seen the same kind of Ugly in NC Democratic politics lately so I suspect it's more than a seasonal trend. No matter the pithy comments one may observe about politics and "familial" infighting, Big Money has made it much worse.

[bigwillq]

41. No.

You can leave. Or ignore. Or hide thread.
You have options.
You have control over what your DU experience is like.

[sibelian]

42. "Bernie's a muppet!"

"Well, Hillary's motion capture and CGI!"

"Well, you never loved me anyway!"

"CAKE OR DEATH?"

[bigtree]

52. the campaign is 'inevitably' going to heat up some more

...best straighten your backbone and settle in for a bumpy ride as these candidates' sparring encourages even more competitive debates.

[Califonz]

120. After the November 2016 election

Everyone can go back to looking down on DUers with low post counts!

[TheBlackAdder]

58. Some people look like they are on a time clock, punching in at certain times and posting heavily.

.


There really seems to be a few who log on at certain times, almost like shift work.

They, then spend the next 30 minutes posting 5-7 OPs, and then slow down, like they were given work to do from the prior shift.


It's really odd, and not like something that you generally see on boards, anywhere!


.

[KittyWampus]

59. Really? It couldn't be people posting during lunch hour or during breaks?

[TheBlackAdder]

60. For 6-8 hours only, each and every day?

.


Update: Always with the same posting habits, get on, flood a bunch of stuff, then taper off and manage the posts fielded.


I have operated websites for years, working in IT for about 30 years--there are observable patterns.


.

[artislife]

63. I saw that. I put most on ignore...I didn't feel like there was

a "real" person there, just an agenda.

[Armstead]

67. That's not necessrily sinister -- Often it's like going to the "watercooler"

I have a job that I work on the computer at home and have to do a lot of writing. I need to get away from it periodically, to clear my head, and to fend off boredom. So I check into DU on and off during my real "work time" and read and or post.

If I were in an office, it'd be the equivalent of going to the coffee machine and shooting the bull, or out into the hallway or the water-cooler.

[CanonRay]

61. Thank you, Rex

[Rex]

62. Thanks CanonRay.

Back atcha!

[NurseJackie]

64. Maybe it can go from "eardrum bleeding" to merely "deafening"?

I think that's the most you can expect. (And even then it's being very optimistic.)

[FSogol]

66. Oh well, nice try Rex.

[Rex]

70. Had to make the attempt.

Thanks FSogol, maybe some will dial it back a notch. For folks like me that likes all of our candidates, this is really disturbing to see them all get trashed by people I know and respect.

[deutsey]

73. Well, on the positive side

My eyes are sure getting a lot of exercise from doing this so often when I read a lot of the stuff posted here.

[zappaman]

69. kick and rec!

[anamnua]

74. If you think this is bad

you should gave been around for the 07/08 Hillbot/Obamabot spitefest.

[Rex]

75. I thank my lucky stars I was wise enough to sit that one out.

This is the first primary season I've really paid attention to on DU...yikes...

[anamnua]

82. I kid you not

speaking as a battle-hardened (pro-Hillary) veteran of that era.
A flavour of that particular month:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4952007

[Rex]

86. Wow...just...wow...

[Faux pas]

76. So very true

and sickening too.

[frazzled]

77. It teaches us how hate and intolerance is generated, though

It seems that the main ugliness involves the tendency by (some, vocal) posters to feel the need to demonize the other Democratic candidate (this applies to both sides in the Clinton/Sanders camps, though in my opinion it's a bit worse on one side than the other). I don't mean just criticizing policy or even personal attributes. It's like CAPITAL LETTER!!!!! demonization, hyperbole, and cherry picking a word or two out of complex arguments to try to turn them into monsters. It's also positing imaginary slights against their candidate that then become the false presuppositions against which one must FIGHT!!!!

This is how intolerance and hatred grow. It's not liberal, and it's not progressive.

PS: I'm kind of fine with ragging on individual posters (or groups of posters) when I feel there is a wrong-headed discussion being generated. But I'm not so fine with demonizing the candidates.

[Rex]

78. That is where I am at to, I am not at all fine with demonizing our candidates.

I am for just the opposite; talking about their positive attributes and tending to downplay their negative ones.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

80. A serious question.

But first a preface. Your appeal to reason is well taken. I would love to have a respectful and completely free exchange of ideas. Having said that, that has infrequently been my experience on DU, regardless of my approach and even outside of open cycle primaries.

My question is framed in the context of climate change and wealth inequality. For example, based on my reading of many ecological and climate studies, I believe there is a serious (albeit hard to quantify) danger of human extinction in the next 100-200 years.

So my question is: do you believe we live in desperate times? I think this question is relevant to your OP.

[Rex]

87. Yes I do. The aggregate is looking worse with every passing day. IMO.

We are facing the 6th mass extinction cycle and 99% of the planets population have no clue what that even means or knows or cares. We live in a time of instant gratification, where people cannot grasp geological time or that sudden changes in the earth's climate will eventually result in a massive (and sudden) change for all life on the planet...because we have a short lifespan of 70 to 80 years.

We live in a world where less than 100 people own 52% of the wealth on the planet. I cannot even begin to understand that kind of raw power. To be an individual with the power of a US state or an entire nation. What it must be like to influence global markets depending on which side of the bed you wake up on.

I also believe that with the current laws on the books, if a GOPer worms their way into office in 2016...it is game over for this country. At least the democracy part.

So yes, I believe we are living in something far more than desperate times...dangerous times in which we have collectively fooled ourselves into thinking the pot of boiling water feels good.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

91. Thank you.

Extremely thoughtful answer. I believe that this may be an even more contentious cycle than '04 or '08, although I am not sure.

But assuming I am right, Bernie backers may be partly to blame due to a sense of urgency for precisely many of the reasons you just articulated. I know that is true for my indiscretions. Also, because a growing segment of the American population is affected and oppressed by austerity policies (e.g. sequestration) and Reaganism, it is possible that open cycles are increasingly hostile over time.

An open cycle will automatically yield intense hostility on this site, perhaps exacerbated for the reasons above in this cycle.

My final point is that I have personally experienced a "mob mentality" outside of primary cycles. Here is an example:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x320173

While the title of my OP was provocative, it was based on several credible links, respectfully presented and discussed (at least on my part) and yet I was treated disrespectfully both by many posters and by the moderator who locked the thread. I mean that the moderator was disrespectful, and without logic when I inquired why the thread was locked.

So in my experience, there is way too often very undemocratic behavior on DU, in and out of open cycles.

Bottom line: you have an important point which is good advice for all. I wanted to provide my sense what DU is about, both positive and negative.

[Rex]

94. I don't blame the candidates for anything their followers say or do.

I've seen many on here that say they will not vote if X wins the primary and not Y...which is one of the most disturbing and new phenomena on DU. It literally means we have reached the point where some of us will vote (or not) against our own best interests. That is a bad, bad sign imo...it is one we see the GOP do over and over in election cycles.

I have never expected too much democracy on here, because it is a pay-for private website. I always keep that in mind.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

95. How do you feel about my "mootness" argument? n/t

[Rex]

109. I agree with it since it does render all other issues null and void.

I can see you are worried about the direction leadership is taking and want something truly transformational to happen as fast as possible.

I get that urgency.

It is like watching my house burn down...I can watch and the longer I do the more is destroyed. If I get the water onto the fire as soon as I see smoke, the footprint is small and can be controlled and put out. Little damage, but I can fix it. However if I watch my house burn down, there is nothing left to fix...just ashes.

The planet has no problems becoming barren and lifeless...if that is what we wish. We can have ashes and nothing or we can be proactive and have a house to live in.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

112. Perhaps we are fairly close.

If I lived in a purple or blue state I would definitely have to consider voting for HRC, but I am in a solid red state, so my state's caucus is my only important vote, other than the GE down ballot.

Thanks for an interesting discussion.

[Rex]

117. Yes thanks

I understand, I grew up in a blue state that went red and then crazy. We might get it blue again one day if enough get out to vote. The Bible Beltway is horrible.

Have a great night.

[Blue_Tires]

83. You must not remember '04, '06 and especially '08

This is a day at the beach by comparison...

[Rex]

85. This is the first time I have hung around for primary season and really paid attention.

Since I vote for whomever ends up the primary candidate, I kinda have skipped over all this and am very glad I skipped '08 it sounds like that one was WWIII.

[anamnua]

92. It was so bad that I decided to weigh in

with the following observation:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5105681

[sheshe2]

96. Ha!

I am sure glad I was not here then. I joined just before 2012 election.

I was always an Obama girl. Pretty easy for me, everyone I knew supported him so I had no fray to get into. Me, I just sat back and watched a brilliant man with a well orchestrated campaign moving forward. I just searched the web for any info I could get. I lurked here from time to time back then. As the campaign progressed I knew with out a doubt that he would win. Without a shadow of a doubt I knew, you could feel it!

Thanks for your Op Rex. It is good to see you.

[Rex]

100. Good to see you too sheshe2! I am already missing the man!

I had no idea things were so far gone that people had to exodus DU and not even safe haven groups were enough. I just hang out in GD and make comments in threads. Hopefully some sanity has been restored after the epic thread from yesterday. I never make threads, but felt this one was nessecary since no one else was saying it.

It is disturbing to watch DUers verbally kill each other over the primary candidates. We should be saving all that rage for the GOP.

Hope you have a great weekend!

[sheshe2]

103. Hey you,

I am not here as much.

I have been posting some non threatening things in the BOG. Because I am going to enjoy him until the end. Stop by sometime if you wish. You are always welcome there.

Lol~ I won't even comment about the rest of DU at this point.

Best to you and yours~

[Rex]

105. Thanks.

Actually it feels good to post outside of GD for once...I might have to start doing more of that. I would like to have a conversation with Mrs. Obama about cutting the POTUS some slack so he can run a third time (easy lurkers it is a joke, but not by much).

I noticed you are not posting as much, your threads on women's rights and empowerment were required reading in GD. I miss them.

Have a great one sheshe2! We got lucky for 8 years...pity it cannot be 12.

[fleur-de-lisa]

88. Thank you Rex! - eom

[BootinUp]

89. k&r

[postatomic]

90. GDP seems to have sprung a leak

I don't wander around many of the forums but I've noticed a few supporters of Candidate "Y" with short term visitor passes venturing out of GDP.

I've really tried to honor your request on my own. Yea, I've fallen in the Snark Garbage Truck in the past but I've decided it just isn't worth the brain damage. I try to avoid starting OPs. One I did was a compliment of Senator Sanders by a Democrat, but because this Democrat endorsed Hillary over Bernie because she felt 'socialism' wouldn't play well in Peoria she was immediately trashed as being a "shill" for Hillary.

Others have made requests like you only to have a thread that ends up supporting the stated concern. Maybe if enough of us can set an example for others. But, I'm not hopeful that much will change.

Live Long and Prosper

[Romulox]

98. The acrimony developed because "Democratic Underground" became a hangout for "Sensible Centrists".

[BootinUp]

106. By sensible centrist I assume you mean

people that know what it takes to win elections.

[Rex]

116. Dunno I hear everyone talk about it but I see so few.

Is there a progressive centrist? Is that possible?

[LiberalArkie]

102. Can't we all just get along. No one is going to change anyones mind. To argue with someone

is ridiculous. Grudge matches only do one thing. And only one thing. It is not good. It takes people who last year were good friends and maybe agreed on many things and make them act like they want to fist fight the other person.

That is the nature of discussion systems. You can get so angry at what another person typed without knowing that the other person was playing with you. Because you can not see the other persons face you have no idea of their thoughts. Things are said on discussion systems that you would never ever say in person to someone.

I have seen it get bad back in the 90's when I ran a large BBS system. It would get bad, but because in was in Central Arkansas, sometimes a person would find out who the person was that they disagreed with on the BBS. Many fist fights happened over things their fingers typed in and that they would have never said to the other persons face.

We have to remember that when you type something in, there is a real human being that will read it.

If all you are doing is trying to get someone pissed off, you really need to stop.

[Gloria]

113. How true..came back to DU for moral support

Instead, I have tuned out more and more..

I had no candidate ...but was attacked for posting a reasonable discussion of facts when someone trashed Clinton in a way that reminded me of 2008.
Over time that really has turned me away DU and a lot of immature crap.

[Rex]

115. Glad to see you back.

Well I feel most people here are going to vote, this stupid 'my way or the highway' is counterproductive. Everyone knows it. Some want to fight about it no matter what.

I think this is a great time to be here all I ever see people do is trash this place. Maybe worse than even the candidates.

WB!

A good friend convinced me to hang around some months ago, was going to go look at bartcops old links for shits sake. See how many sites are still around. DU evidently goes overkill on the rhetoric in Primary Mode.

Just hang in GD, most of it stays in here now.

[Gloria]

119. Boy, do I miss Bartcop!

Took a look at Smirking Chimp today...