if you favor fracking, TPP, outsourcing jobs, military coups and endless war

[reddread]

just say so.
honesty scores beaucoup points.

[Fuddnik]

1. Can't believe this got alerted on that fast.

I was juror #2


REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This is crap. This is divisive and is a false premise, this kind of post just shows how low we are willing to get. Please hide this over the top divisive post.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Nov 20, 2015, 09:36 AM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Abuse of the alert function.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The post is pretty benign. And it might actually cause some people to think about their positions.

Alerter should be ashamed.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: o/~ ... You probably think this song is about you ... o/~
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Stupid alert
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: If you don't like it, trash the thread or let reddread know what you think directly. You could even put that person on ignore if you like.
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[Bubzer]

8. I voted on that. It was more than a little absurd as alerts go.

[reddread]

9. thanks for your fairness

I usually go much lower, the alerter has a sensitive threshold.

[Duckhunter935]

26. Well they will not be able to do any bogus

Alerts for 24 hours

[ruffburr]

2. Then you are a-

Republican or a Third Way Democrat

[DanTex]

3. If you favor collective farms, five-year plans, and Cultural Revolutions, speak up!

[leftofcool]

10. I haven't see a collective farm since about 1967

They didn't work out well.

[Duckhunter935]

27. Please link to the proposal

For collective farms. Lies do not help your case unless you just forgot the sarcasm emoji

[JaneyVee]

4. Some nuance:

I don't favor fracking, we need a plan to commit to energy alternatives like the plan Hillary put forth. I haven't read the TPP but trade deals do support millions of US jobs and add much to our GDP. And I do take the liberal position that terrorism and ISIS must be defeated so oppressed people can rise up and live in peace.

[brooklynite]

5. So you don't like President Obama?

If so, I wouldn't vote for him again...

[Fuddnik]

6. More like we don't like some of his policies.

Nothing personal.

[bahrbearian]

7. You mean "Don't vote for more of the same"

[Persondem]

11. What, exactly, is wrong with TPP. With the full text available you should be able to

quote the exact passages that you find offensive.

Of course, your sticking TPP 100% on Clinton is complete BS. She may have started it but she did not have much of anything to do with it over the last 2-3 years. Would you be ok with someone taking over your job, 2 years passing , and then you get blamed for a product the new guy worked on since you left?

[TheFarseer]

12. everyone knows who is more friendly towards free trade.

Don't act like they are both equally against corporate friendly "free trade". It's insulting.

[Persondem]

16. Details. Without specific points showing how TPP is bad you are choosing to believe

outdated generalities. You have the text; you can prove your points if care to (if it's possible that is)

[TheFarseer]

20. I'm not arguing it's bad here although I personally do not support TPP

I'm arguing that Hillary supports free trade much more so than Bernie and many people on DU deny that.

[sabrina 1]

14. The major, number one problem with the TPP is that Congress, from the beginning was denied

access to what the Global Corps were writing as legislation for this Country. THAT ALONE was enough reason to say 'no way'.

Maybe you weren't following the story of the TPP over the past few years when Democrats who were on the Trade Committee ALERTED the public to this Corporate Written Legislation which even the Chair of the Trade Committee was denied access to.

For years they were gagged from telling the American people about what was going on other than to say that their elected Reps could not do the job they were elected to do, Contribute to any legislation that was going to be written for the American people.

No one needed to more than that initially to oppose such a takeover of our government by Corporate entities when it comes to legislation being written for the American people.

It simply blows my mind that ANY US Citizen, regardless of party affiliation, would be okay with such a thing.

But that wasn't all we learned over the years.

Leaks by Wikileaks gave us a look at WHY they did not want Congress and the American people to see what they were up to.

Thanks to all the organization and activists and leakers and those members of Congress who warned us about what was going on, at least they were forced in the end to 'ALLOW' (imagine Congress having to be ALLOWED' to take a small peek at some of what they were doing, but with so many limitations it outraged members of Congress.

We know now that the worst fears of those who opposed this 'secret deal' are confirmed and in fact what IS in it is even worse than what we already knew.

Anyone who supported this bill being written outside of the supervision of Congress clearly doesn't understand how our system of government is supposed to work, or they don't LIKE how it works.

[Persondem]

15. All crystal ball speculation. The document has been availble for weeks. Where

are your quotes from the document showing exactly how the TPP allows all these evil things to happen?

[reddread]

17. wikileaks

plenty of insight for those who will see.

[Persondem]

18. That is so old as to be meaningless now. The real text is out. Where are all the damning quotes? nt

[reddread]

19. "giant sucking sound"

[Persondem]

23. That's the best you can do? I am sure Ross Perot would appreciate you dredging up his line from the

90's but it not germane to this discussion.

Surely if TPP contained multiple negatives and was this terrible thing, lists of quotes from the recently released document would be available. It's possible.

[reddread]

24. that quote will endure.

perhaps it didnt make an impression on everyone.

[sabrina 1]

21. I see you haven't bothered to go read what people HAVE revealed and how many have stated, who HAVE

been plowing through it, that it is WORSE than what people had already known and thought.

I'm guessing you are supporting something you ADMIT to not knowing anything about?

[Persondem]

22. I have not seen anything negative on TPP posted from early Nov. 2015 to the present.

All previous "revelations" were speculative and not based on the reality of the final document.

I have read about 30% (which is 30% more than you, I'll bet) of it and, at the worst, it seems is that it is wishy-washy in a section or two.

It does have teeth. It does have strong language opposing child labor, forced labor and exploitation of endangered animals. That's just in the sections I have read. It has been endorsed by the World Wildlife Fund.

If you can provide me with a recent (after 11-5-15) link to a source showing some negatives, I would appreciate it.

[djean111]

28. No teeth. Just strong language.

In any event, there is no real reason to post anything about the TPP here at DU - just gets jumped on by the same few people, and, really, accomplishes nothing. I am more heartened by having a cashier at the grocery store where my grandson works ask me if I knew anything about it - and then he proceeded to say why he thought some of the copyright stuff was awful. And I made sure he knew who opposed it, and who pushed for it

Grandson says the break room is pretty political these days. Almost all Bernie supporters.

There are some organizations that are fighting this, No need to fight it here. And the citizens of other countries are just as appalled. Not just us. In the nicest possible way, I don't really care what you think of the TPP, or if you think it is swell. Not relevant.

And - if the TPP disappeared tomorrow, that would not make Hillary one bit more palatable to me.

My attitude towards the TPP - no vote or support from me for anyone who voted for Fast Track, votes for the TPP, or shilled for it. Bottom line.

[Persondem]

29. To put it simply ... you don't know TPP. It has teeth. There are real penalties both monetary and

tariff based. I could quote you the section but you say you don't care that much. (Odd that you cared enough to respond to me though).

You are basing your opinion on the BS crystal ball idea of TPP, not the real thing. Until I see quotes from actual sections (e.g. the copyright section) showing the bad language and "evil" intent then everything you and the anti Clinton echo chamber crowd say about TPP is garbage.

[UglyGreed]

13. K/R

[AtomicKitten]

25. Agreed, however, I think many of her supporters vote on cult of personality rather than issues.

And her SuperPAC Correct(Corrupt)TheRecord makes sure those issues remain muddled for them to smooth over inconvenient truth.