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Critical New Hampshire State Poll- Clinton 48% Sanders 44% (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 OP
Ahead in NEW HAMPSHIRE??!! WOW!! NurseJackie Nov 2015 #1
Actually...ahead in six of the last ten polls... brooklynite Nov 2015 #4
That's a pretty bad sign for him. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #7
If you just take the polls from November its 3 out 4 BootinUp Nov 2015 #12
Hillary's workers can give themselves a pat on the back..... riversedge Nov 2015 #36
and a million godziillion WHOW's @HillaryforNH's newest office in #Laconia! NH riversedge Nov 2015 #32
That's lovely! NurseJackie Nov 2015 #33
Hugh!@11! DCBob Nov 2015 #2
Seems like she has been surging in a couple of states... NCTraveler Nov 2015 #3
This might be over before the first primary caucus. ucrdem Nov 2015 #5
K & R SunSeeker Nov 2015 #6
Only 16% of the respondents are under age 30. redwitch Nov 2015 #8
Yes. SoapBox Nov 2015 #10
Shhh don't warn them. HubertHeaver Nov 2015 #23
No matter--Hilllary's Team is all over NH/// riversedge Nov 2015 #35
according to this they have that about right dsc Nov 2015 #39
Keep in mind that responses are weighted to reflect the target population sample. nt Adrahil Nov 2015 #40
What makes this poll critical, i.e. more important than others? Be specific. n/t JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #9
NH is a must win for Bernie. DCBob Nov 2015 #15
No kidding. So are all NH polls labeled as "critical"? JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #16
Just the ones with Hillary leading. DCBob Nov 2015 #17
. JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #18
The 2016 presidential primary will be held Tuesday, February 9, the latest it has been since 1996, Stuart G Nov 2015 #11
The holidays will eat up alot of those days. DCBob Nov 2015 #13
If your only hope is a systematic failure in polling, all in one direction you're in big trouble. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #21
Indeed. DCBob Nov 2015 #22
That is true. But is IS crunch time. nt Adrahil Nov 2015 #41
KnR sheshe2 Nov 2015 #14
So, Hillary is toast? Helen Borg Nov 2015 #19
If toast is leading in forty nine out of fifty states I'm Brad Pitt DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #20
This poll (conducted Nov. 6-16) was released Monday. The more recent poll shows Sanders 45%, HRC 44% Attorney in Texas Nov 2015 #24
I agree that in all cases we should look at aggregate polling and not cherry picked polls DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #26
Better yet, we can look at the aggregation of live cell and landline phone polls Attorney in Texas Nov 2015 #27
You are excluding scientific online with rigorous controls and weighting that are specifically ... DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #28
It's going to be close in New Hampshire. Alfresco Nov 2015 #29
This Hillary help says NO WAY....... riversedge Nov 2015 #38
I hope you are right. Alfresco Nov 2015 #42
That margin of error git's ya every time + -4 % azurnoir Nov 2015 #25
Critical how? GeorgeGist Nov 2015 #30
To the Vermont independent's success in the primaries, of course./nt DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #31
New Hampshire is still too close to call. MineralMan Nov 2015 #34
you watch and these college students will do the needed footwork riversedge Nov 2015 #37

brooklynite

(94,723 posts)
4. Actually...ahead in six of the last ten polls...
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 12:10 PM
Nov 2015

...the most charitable interpretation for Sanders is that it's gone from him leading to a tie.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
7. That's a pretty bad sign for him.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 12:29 PM
Nov 2015

I'd always thought that NJ was a "gimme" for Bernie. But if he's struggling THERE, he'll struggle EVERYWHERE.

BootinUp

(47,185 posts)
12. If you just take the polls from November its 3 out 4
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 01:02 PM
Nov 2015

where she is ahead. There was a lot of movement going on in October so I think the later polls will definitely paint a better picture.

riversedge

(70,299 posts)
36. Hillary's workers can give themselves a pat on the back.....
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 05:00 PM
Nov 2015



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riversedge

(70,299 posts)
32. and a million godziillion WHOW's @HillaryforNH's newest office in #Laconia! NH
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 04:53 PM
Nov 2015
Sam Kelly ?@samkelly16 3h3 hours ago Laconia, NH

Coming to you live from @HillaryforNH's newest office in #Laconia! An amazing new home for our team here in Belknap!

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ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
5. This might be over before the first primary caucus.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 12:10 PM
Nov 2015

In fact it probably is. That's good for Dems because we're in for a battle royale no matter who gets nominated and the sooner the primary skirmishes end the better.

redwitch

(14,946 posts)
8. Only 16% of the respondents are under age 30.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 12:30 PM
Nov 2015

I don't know how surveys choose which respondents to include in their sampling but doesn't that seem unbalanced?

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
10. Yes.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 12:54 PM
Nov 2015

The devil is ALWAYS in the details.

And so many of her "winning" polls are lame...missing all sorts of segments of voters.

riversedge

(70,299 posts)
35. No matter--Hilllary's Team is all over NH///
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 04:57 PM
Nov 2015




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dsc

(52,166 posts)
39. according to this they have that about right
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 05:30 PM
Nov 2015
https://suburbanstats.org/population/how-many-people-live-in-new-hampshire

I get them having about 17.2 percent of the population in that age range. Given that age and rate of voting are highly positively correlated that is likely to be, if anything, an overestimate.

Stuart G

(38,439 posts)
11. The 2016 presidential primary will be held Tuesday, February 9, the latest it has been since 1996,
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 12:57 PM
Nov 2015

That leaves all of December, all of January, 8 days in February, and 9 days in November..

No matter who you are for...lots can happen during that time..

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
13. The holidays will eat up alot of those days.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 01:03 PM
Nov 2015

Things will definitely heat up in January... but by then it will probably be too late for Bernie.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,711 posts)
20. If toast is leading in forty nine out of fifty states I'm Brad Pitt
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 02:00 PM
Nov 2015
So Hillary is toast




If toast is leading in forty nine out of fifty states I'm Brad Pitt






Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
24. This poll (conducted Nov. 6-16) was released Monday. The more recent poll shows Sanders 45%, HRC 44%
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 04:18 PM
Nov 2015

The poll aggregation of Real Clear Politics excludes your poll which used a mixed on-line/phone methodology to poll only 190 Democrats (versus 228 Republicans) as conducted by Morning Consult for the pharmaceutical industry's Campaign for Sustainable Rx Pricing.

There is not a huge difference between the older poll you post and the more recent poll confirming Clinton at only 44%, just below Sanders but within the margin of error; that's not my point.

But given that this poll was released Monday and it included only 190 Democrats and it is not sufficiently reliable to meet the Real Clear Politics reliability threshold, why do you call it critical?

I certainly agree that a New Hampshire poll is more significant than, say, a national poll or a South Carolina poll or a Texas poll, etc., but this poll you tout seems to fall on the not-so-critical end of the spectrum.

Don't you agree at least a little?

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,711 posts)
26. I agree that in all cases we should look at aggregate polling and not cherry picked polls
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 04:24 PM
Nov 2015

I agree that in all cases we should look at aggregate polling and not cherry picked polls, as the latter method is fraught with bias.


Aggregate polling:




http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/nh/new_hampshire_democratic_presidential_primary-3351.html



http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-new-hampshire-presidential-democratic-caucus


suggests he is trailing in the one state on which is entire campaign hinges...If he loses IA and NH it is effectively over even if he refuses to give up the ghost at that time.

Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
27. Better yet, we can look at the aggregation of live cell and landline phone polls
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 04:51 PM
Nov 2015




I agree Sanders is the underdog in the primary and if he loses both Iowa and New Hampshire, then I cannot see a path for him to win the nomination.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,711 posts)
28. You are excluding scientific online with rigorous controls and weighting that are specifically ...
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 05:05 PM
Nov 2015

You are excluding scientific online polls with rigorous controls and weighting that are specifically designed to mirror traditional polls. You are also excluding ivr polls... You are including cell phone/landline polls that might or might not be flawed...

The bottom line is if you believe you can get the correct results by discarding polls you don't like there is nothing I can do to disabuse you of that notion.


riversedge

(70,299 posts)
38. This Hillary help says NO WAY.......
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 05:08 PM
Nov 2015







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MineralMan

(146,329 posts)
34. New Hampshire is still too close to call.
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 04:55 PM
Nov 2015

If we keep watching though, a trend might become visible. That's what I'll be doing - watching.

riversedge

(70,299 posts)
37. you watch and these college students will do the needed footwork
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 05:04 PM
Nov 2015

Glad she has lots of help in NH


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