Twitter poll shows Bernie at 70%!!

[bobbobbins01]

I don't usually post polls at all, especially online ones, but I just love this one and it seemed appropriate considering Bernie is talking right now at the Justice Forum. It was posted by Deray McKesson on his twitter account, @deray(https://twitter.com/deray):

13% - Hillary Clinton
02% - Martin O'Malley
70% - Bernie Sanders
15% - Undecided

18,516 votes

For those of you who don't know who Deray is, he is associated with Black Lives Matter, met with both Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton, and is one of the masterminds behind Campaign Zero(http://www.joincampaignzero.org)

The best part is all the positive comments, which shows a lot of solidarity among POC in their support of Bernie.

[bravenak]

1. .

[bobbobbins01]

2. Why is the support of African Americans funny to you?

Please look at the comments on the poll, all very positive.

[bravenak]

3. His support among us is far less than 20 percent.

I find these posts hilarious. Forget out reach and trying to be Inclusive, just find a few tweets and that's all that is needed. His campaign is not effective.

[bobbobbins01]

4. Its more than a few tweets.

Its 18000 votes, and an entire chain of people showing support. And Bernie is doing outreach as we type on the Justice Forum, he just delivered a killer speech.

Maybe you're right and his support is at 20%, but I think you're selling him a bit short. I'd love to see all that support by POC for Hillary in one place, but I don't see it happening.

[bravenak]

5. Way less than 20 percent.

And his speeches are boring to me but I will watch to see if this one is as good as you say. His outreach is terrible and he does not organize his community to be diverse.

[Fawke Em]

54. OK.

:large



No outreach at all.

You're not going to demoralize us.

[bravenak]

56. He needs to clean up shop.

Give me a minute and I will pm you my reason.

[roguevalley]

69. we know why you are here from your own words..

Can't make me feel bad.

[bravenak]

73. I'll send you the same thing.

[ablamj]

139. why not

Post the reason where we all can see it? I'd sure like to know...

[bravenak]

140. It is all over DU.

[ablamj]

141. then why do you have to pm it to people?

[bravenak]

144. Because they had not seen it. They were not on that thread.

It has been posted since this op went dead. Maybe you should take a look around. Bye.

[ablamj]

145. I guess I wasn't on that thread either.

Buh-bye

[kath]

80. We sure do (for those who are wondering what roguevalley is referring to):

http://www.democraticunderground.com/128075924#post5

[Art_from_Ark]

180. Reading that reminds me of a Norwegian folk tale

about some goats who want to cross a bridge.

[BeanMusical]

62. +1

[Fawke Em]

58. Ahem...

[bravenak]

68. Okay but that has nothing to do with the actual election.

But it is a nice thing for him to have done.

[Fawke Em]

104. Well, the drum poll included all the presidential candidates.

Not just the ones who came to speak.

[sabrina 1]

102. Bernie's doing great with AAs, doubled his support this past month as they get to know him.

And of course there are all those who dropped out of a system that doesn't represent them and cannot be polled, YET. Many are now getting on board with Bernie's campaign.

His ONLY problem was name recognition. We are watching that increase, as he gains more support, those supporters tell more people and so on.

He has the best Civil Rights Record of anyone in this campaign, and of MOST members of Congress.

THAT is what is bringing AAs to his campaign now that they are learning about his record.

Some people are a little upset that the old talking point is going the way of the dinosaur.

Their opinions at this point are so compromised by their actions, that I doubt anyone here gives them any consideration at all.

[femmedem]

61. I think you might react more favorably to his speech

and his responses in the Q&A than you've reacted to him in the past. But I will be interested in hearing your take.

[bravenak]

71. I used to love his answers.

I will check them out. Biased now, though.

[femmedem]

78. I tried to summarize as he spoke and posted in this thread

here. Not the same as listening to him, but better than nothing, in case no one posts the video.

I do understand your being biased. I struggle with it when I see something offensive by any of the candidates' supporters, especially if their candidates' photo is right next to the bothersome words. You can't help but associate the two. And I remember your being gravely disappointed in his initial response to BLM. I hope he redeems himself today in your eyes.

[2pooped2pop]

159. nope. Bravenak speAKs for all

Poc. So this poll and blm must be wrong.

[Rockyj]

137. What a dip shit!

WHY don't you Hillary people get a fucken CLUE! If Bernie doesn't win PRIMARY most of us INCLUDING BERNIE will support her! I won't be one of them BUT the majority will so...STFU! As you make MORE & MORE Bernie supporters HATE HER even MORE!

[bravenak]

138. I'm a winner

[CJCRANE]

59. bravenak is the new Sid Dithers.

That was his primary debating technique.

Every time I see the rofl guy on DU I think of him.

[BeanMusical]

65. Lol, same here.

[TheBlackAdder]

124. Seems like an attempt to shut down dialog with incessant posts.

.


I'm a neutral poli-sci returning ed student, not taking sides.

The amount of posts verge on a spamming thread version of a DDOS attack.


The amount of posts turns these threads to unfriendly reads.


.

[AgingAmerican]

160. It's an attention getting ploy

IMHO

[Capt. Obvious]

130. I AdBlocked the :rofl:

Many posts are just blank now. Same difference.

[Purveyor]

152. Lol

[bravenak]

153. Thank you.

[LiberalArkie]

6. Derry McKesson's polling maybe correct for the people who follow him. That is the problem with any

polling and really most polling. If someone goes to different cities and picks people from every segment of the towns then you can have a pretty accurate poll. It is very expensive to do, but that is how it was done many years ago. If you call cellphones, you get one segment that is different from calling wireline phones. You don't get the poor people who have neither though.

So with any modern poll data, about the best you can say is. "These are the results of the people we contacted" and that is about it really.

Have a good weekend Bravenak!!

[bravenak]

7. Yeah. The polling was laughable.

I follow him but did not care to vote. I keep it secret from pollsters if I can until the day of.

[bobbobbins01]

9. I don't think its laughable.

It may show only a subset of POC, but its an important one, and the poll let a lot of people voice their opinion both by voting and through leaving positive comments. I don't see why that is laugh worthy.

[bravenak]

11. I bet the negative comments get ignored.

[bobbobbins01]

13. Ignored by who?

I don't understand what you mean.

[bravenak]

14. The candidate. He does not seem to know why he has issues with black voters.

I do. Because I read the negative comments.

[bobbobbins01]

16. Seems like a lot of assuming.

First you'd have to assume he sees the comments, and then you'd have to assume he ignores them. I would give him the benefit of the doubt.

[bravenak]

17. If he does not see them, why not?

He must need a new social media director if he does not get informed of what we are saying about him. He has been in this thing for months, his time is up for not being aware of things. If he is unaware of the issues this far in, how can we trust him to be responsive to our community in the future?

[bobbobbins01]

19. What issues has he not addressed?

Campaign Zero shows him has having the most comprehensive platform:

http://static1.squarespace.com/static/55ad38b1e4b0185f0285195f/t/56396f5ae4b037be587dfd94/1446604653746/?format=500w

[bravenak]

25. The lack of diversity and inclusion.

He says nothing about the harassment which is necessary for us to feel comfortable joining. He does not address that therefore he gets no endorsements, and our journalists do not write positive stories about him. Because if they criticize him, they are targeted for harassment. I watched Charles Blow and Goldie Taylor and quite a few others get piled on and trashed for days. He needs positive news in black and brown publications. He will not get many of them until he becomes a proactive candidate. His outreach needs to be comprehensive, because as you know, WORDS ARE WIND.

[bobbobbins01]

38. I'm sorry that happened to them.

But a candidate chastising random supporters doesn't seem like a good solution. His platform is pretty comprehensive. As far as the diversity, that seems like a chicken and egg/catch 22 scenario, you're saying he needs to be diverse to get support, but that he lacks diversity and that is why he has none.

[bravenak]

41. He has to make the enviroment inclusive. Say what type of support he rejects.

What type he wants. Create ground rules. Revolutions are free for alls and bad elements can take over if a candidate is not aware and proactive.

[AgingAmerican]

161. Bernie isn't the one with the problem

He is fine. Haters are the problem.

[DianeK]

37. you seem to think that you can speak..

for an entire community..that seems a bit arrogant..

[DianeK]

43. you have serious problems

[bravenak]

44. Not really

[DianeK]

46. Arrogant

ar·ro·gant
ˈerəɡənt/
adjective
having or revealing an exaggerated sense of one's own importance or abilities.

[bravenak]

48. Here, let me prove my case.

up·pi·ty
ˈəpətē/
adjectiveinformal
self-important; arrogant.
"an uppity sister-in-law"
synonyms: arrogant, snobbish, hoity-toity, snooty, pretentious, bumptious, full of oneself, puffed up, conceited, pompous, self-assertive, overbearing, cocky, cocksure, impertinent, haughty, self-important, superior, presumptuous, overweening, uppish, high and mighty; More

[DianeK]

51. you in interjecting hateful racist statements into a conversation

where it is not warranted..i will use the english language as i will..you can twist it if you choose

[bravenak]

52. Umm hmm.

[AgingAmerican]

162. A better definition: Non existent self importance

[kath]

50. And she is a confirmed troll:

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http://www.democraticunderground.com/128075924#post5

Jurors - "unhide" that post#5, so you can see what bravenak ADMITS she has been doing on DU.

[bravenak]

53. That is not trolling. That is telling how I felt in a PRIVATE MESSAGE.

[kristopher]

64. It's how you translate those feelings into action on DU that is relevant.

And in light of the admission about "how you feel", your actions here should see you banned.

[bravenak]

67. Banned for supporting a candidate most fiercely? That is strange as this is a political board.

After being called foul names I think I had the right to be mad. That was last month. I'm very happy now with my candidate. I do not care how you feel about me.

[bobbobbins01]

72. So you actually did say that?

Because that is really messed up.

[roguevalley]

75. so. that your stated words that you support hill so you can troll

Bernie still stands. Sad. Your words not ours. Keep your messages private then. The Internet is the wild west. Once posted no longer private.

[bravenak]

79. I already sent it. You can delete it or post it. I do not care anymore.

[opiate69]

83. Wrong..

It's pretty much the picture-perfect definition of trolling.

Trolling
The art of deliberately, cleverly, and secretly pissing people off, usually via the internet, using dialogue. Trolling does not mean just making rude remarks: Shouting swear words at someone doesn't count as trolling; it's just flaming, and isn't funny. Spam isn't trolling either; it pisses people off, but it's lame.

The most essential part of trolling is convincing your victim that either a) truly believe in what you are saying, no matter how outrageous, or b) give your victim malicious instructions, under the guise of help.
Trolling requires decieving; any trolling that doesn't involve decieving someone isn't trolling at all; it's just stupid. As such, your victim must not know that you are trolling; if he does, you are an unsuccesful troll.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trolling

Oh, and DU hasn't had "private messaging" since DU2.

[bravenak]

89. Why would I send a message telling how I felt if that was trolling?

It says in your definition that for it to be sucessful no one must know. I have been repeating myself since August about this. Nobody heard me until yesterday. Lol! I bet this helps the winning.

[opiate69]

95. Such an alleged high IQ and yet such underwhelming reading comprehension.

for it to be sucessful no one must know

your victim must not know that you are trolling

And since you were not quite intelligent enough to realize that DU mail is not "private" mail, you sent that mail thinking it was in confidence.

[Capt. Obvious]

132. I guess you won't be buying her book

I stand with ᗺravenak

[bravenak]

148. I love your name.

And I think you are very smart and wonderful and a good person to be around. You can tell by how often I post to you.

[bravenak]

147. Losing can make people vicious.

[JimDandy]

109. Your actions on DU as you describe them in your message are the very definition of trolling

Trolling DU is a bannable offense (see TOS). That you have been trolling clearly comes as no surprise to some DUers. What WAS surprising was reading someone's own words admitting to such trollish behavior. BTW, it is patently naive of anyone to expect that their emails, messages, texts, etc, will be private, especially anyone in the political arena.

If this is alerted, jurors please read Bravenak's email describing what she intentionally has been doing on DU.

[bravenak]

110. I am a DEMOCRAT who supports the candudate who will WIN.

You can ignore me. Bye.

[JimDandy]

113. You have been trolling DU and we now all know it.

Your sincerity has been impeached by your own words and doings. You can call yourself anything you want, but, just like in court after a witness has impeached herself, the jurors can decide for themselves whether everything the witness has said, or will say in the future, is truthful. That's where you are right now with me and probably with a huge number of people on this board.

I don't need permission from you to take, or not take, any action on DU or anywhere. If you can't face me knowing what I now know about you, then that's your problem. But I am done with any more of this tonight...

Again, jurors, please read Bravenak's email describing what she has been doing on DU.

[bravenak]

114. Please, lol. Anything to make yourselves feel better.

If I were a troll you'd never suspect it. Nobody waits years to start trolling. You are just mad that I do not want your candidate to win and that I Loooooooove supporting Hillary. I don't need to pretend to support her. I will support the person who can beat YOUR candidate. If Omalley took off and was beating everyone, I'd join his team just so Bernie would not win. I do not want Bernie as the nominee, so I support Hillary.

It is not trolling just because you are mad that I do not want him in the Whitehouse. I do not like the wah he manages his campaign and do not want his side to win. I am on her side and will stay right here. I enjoy supporting her to the fullest.

[JimDandy]

119. Please, no word salad responses.

I find it bizarre that in your email you admitted you were trolling, but now, in spite of your previous words having become public knowledge, you are denying it.

That you think I am mad just shows how poorly you are assessing people/situations. I pity you. Some of my family members are Black (not me) and I used to enjoy reading your postings in prior times. On the anonymous Internet, everything boils down to a matter of trustworthiness, though. I and most other DUers no longer have any reason to believe anything you say, now or in the future (see the 'impeached witness in court' analogy above again). It is as simple as that.

[bravenak]

120. I admitted nothing but my feelings.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=835837

That? Hillary supporters do not call us that. Ignore and try to make me the evil villian if you want to.

[JimDandy]

121. No, not evil. Only worthy of pity.

Goodnight.

ETA: That link you posted is not the link to the email in which you describe your trolling activities. Please post correct link. Thanks.

[bravenak]

122. .

More insults!!!

[AgingAmerican]

165. You post a link to someone calling you out for sending bizarre, hateful PMs

As proof you are not a troll?

[AgingAmerican]

164. Too late, you already admitted

That you only pretend to support her so you have a platform from which to attack Sanders.

[DianeK]

66. well..

that is very enlightening and makes sense now..thanks

[AgingAmerican]

163. My oh my....

So it's all phony drama....thanks for posting this.

[kath]

63. And she is still sending bizarre, hateful PMs:

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DU Mail Message from bravenak
Return to My InboxMark as unreadDelete this messageBlock this sender
5:03 PM
bravenak
Like your buddy catherina?

saw those. Can you DM me with the general idea/contents? Fucking House Niggers and their Plantation Mistresses.
1:23pm - 20 Nov 15

That is about us. To brother ivan.


I will take a hide to post it in public if need be. Bunch of racist stuff coming out of that group.
Reply to this DU Mail
Alert abuse Delete this DU Mail

[bobbobbins01]

76. I got that same message.

Now I'm starting to feel creeped out. I'm not understanding the motive except to disrupt.

[bravenak]

82. You did get it. So that you understand why I do not join the group. I oppose that name calling.

It will help you not worry why I refuse to be on his side.

[bravenak]

88. I never ever said I was trolling anybody. Thank you for the discussion. Have a good day, sir!

[bobbobbins01]

91. No, you didn't actually use the word troll.

But that doesn't make you any less of one. As I said in my PM, please seek help for whatever this is that is causing you to behave inappropriately.

[bravenak]

92. I thought we were done and I was not going to bother you again. I won't. Have a nice day!

[RiverLover]

172. That is why I never believed someone from DU sent her that letter when she was on timeout.

My instinct told me she typed it up herself & took a picture of it, to disrupt. It felt creepy.

Guess this all lends to that conclusion. She doesn't even like Hillary...wow....

This is some messed up stuff.

[BeanMusical]

77. WTF?

Bizarre is an understatement.

[bravenak]

81. That was not hateful on my part. Just showing why I do not want to be in that group that calls me

Names. So that you can stop following me to post to me.

[stevenleser]

115. And as this thread that does nothing but attack you shows, Sanders supporters here engage

in a lot of character assassination of Hillary supporters.

This thread is complete bullshit. Skinner should tombstone every one of these posters that are doing this to you.

[bravenak]

117. Ahh!! You came to my funeral!

Apparently switching to Hillary because of abuse is 'trolling'. Did you see the pm? Very nice, eh? Nothing can be done with this, this has proven it to me. I already knew but, this is a thing of true beauty. I really do enjoy supporting Hillary, I would HATE to be on the losing side right now. Calling me names like that. I guess it was about you too. Sad.

[sabrina 1]

155. Bernie's doing great with Black voters now that they are getting know him, Ignore that old

talking point. He won the Justice Forum debate today by overwhelming margins.

I'm not worried and never was about Bernie and minorities. I'm betting that in a few months he will have a majority of the minority voters working for his campaign, he already has some awesome AAs switching from Hillary to his campaign because they believe he is the only candidate who is speaking for them.

[sabrina 1]

20. It's not laughable. It is however, scary to the establishment. New poll from NBC proves what

people have been saying all along, ans what Bernie has demonstrated among all voters, with whom he was at 3% just months ago and now, even in the old traditional polls with their outdated methodology, he has raised that ten times and STILL nearly half the country doesn't know him yet.

Latest NBC poll shows him doubling his numbers with AAs going from practically NO NAME recognition at about 8/5, which only gauges people with landlines AND who are longtime registered DEMS, AAs are not all Dems or even registered YET.

In one month AAs, getting to know about Bernie are jumping on board. DU is not the place to go for actual numbers re Bernie and minorities.

He has some awesome minority supporters working for his campaign, many switching from Hillary once they heard his message and EXCELLENT long Civil Rights record.

Like the rest of his campaign, his numbers will continue to rise among minorities when people learn about him.

[bobbobbins01]

23. Yes, that is why I posted this poll

I think its a good sign that people are starting to pay attention and his message is getting out.

[sabrina 1]

27. Absolutely, same as it did when he started. Once people hear him, his numbers immediately go up.

This is confirmation of the NBC poll btw.

[Live and Learn]

96. It is Deray, not Derry and he is an actual Black Lives Matter spokesperson.

I'll trust his polling.

[Liberal Jesus Freak]

101. You are not a nice person.

I used to think you were. What a waste of intelligence and true compassion you've turned out to be.

[bravenak]

103. I used to be nice. I will never be again.

Except to those who deserve it from this point on. Polite, yes. But I was young and stupid for being nice and thinking that it would help anybody. Being mean is the way to go. I have been shown how stupid I was for being nice and think people were good people. They are not always worth the extra trouble. I will only be nice to the nice and mean to the mean and cruel to the cruel. I have no cheeks left to slap. I have run out of face.

[stevenleser]

118. Subject a discriminated against group to what Sanders supporters did to BLM Back in August

and many of them will behave in ways that dont seem so nice afterwards.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7060303

[Liberal Jesus Freak]

123. Thank you Steve.

I supported Bravenak before and during her absence. I looked forward to her return because of her intelligence and compassion. I feel sorry about her bitterness towards particular DU'ers because she is so kind in other areas. I'm disappointed but--no matter what you think--I do understand her reasons. I think that I, like many others, will be glad when the primary season ends

[AgingAmerican]

166. They didn't do anything to BLM

And those people weren't even part of BLM, according to BLM. Turned out to be a Palin supporter lol.

But don't let that stop you...

[redgreenandblue]

170. Yawn. Still beating that dead horse I see.

What is really happening here is that a small number of DUers have convinced themselves that the world evolves around them. Nothing more.

All the talk of "alert stalking" points in that direction as well.

[stevenleser]

176. Yeah, you know, pesky minorities being upset about bias is so beating a dead horse.

[redgreenandblue]

179. Yeah yeah, whatever...

You strike me as an intelligent person, which is why I believe that you know full well that a lot of what is going on here at DU is just drama for drama's sake and has nothing at all to do with minority right.

[Unknown Beatle]

131. Why do you start a post

with a smilie laughing? (Yeah, I know, it's supposed to be you laughing, but why?)

Why not engage in a civil discussion instead?

[bravenak]

135. People are just not civil to me so I just laugh.

[Unknown Beatle]

149. So you're going mock those that are

uncivil to you? Laughing at a poster is actually mocking them. Two wrongs don't make a right.

When posters are uncivil to me, I just won't respond back to them. I have never put anyone on ignore.

[bravenak]

150. I do not care if two wrongs make a right.

If people are uncivil I think it's funny because there is no need. One by one they come at me. After a while, you just laugh and laugh. It's silly.

[AgingAmerican]

167. Then do you laugh at yourself?

Because you have been very uncivil as of late.

[leftofcool]

8. Twitter Poll? ROFLMAO

[bobbobbins01]

10. Its a twitter poll that targets a lot of BLM activists.

Given your sigline I would think this should be important to you, it lets BLM members have a voice as to who they are putting their support behind.

[leftofcool]

12. So? It is still a Twitter Poll

My sig line has nothing to do with a Twitter Poll but does have everything to do with my grand daughter.

[bobbobbins01]

15. OK, but your sigline references a movement not a person.

If you're not referring to that movement and just mean your grand daughter, you could clarify it to say Of course my grand daughter matters. Then it would be more clear.

If you are referring to the movement, then the poll represents a microcosm of that movement and shouldn't be outright discounted just because it is on Twitter. To many people that is how they organize and is a powerful tool of BLM.

[bravenak]

18. That poll is NOT the microcosm.

He is a unique individual with varied followers who self sekect to vote in the poll. I did not vote and I follow him. See?

[bobbobbins01]

21. No, I don't see

You chose not to vote, but others did...thats what happens in every poll. He is a unique individual with a large following specifically with BLM members, so yes, it does represent them to an extent.

[bravenak]

26. Like the ISidewith poll that showed him winning all fifty states? You see that as the microcosm too?

[bobbobbins01]

30. No, that poll isn't a microcosm at all.

That would be a macrocosm. But when a poll is put on by someone who has the ear of his peers, and those peers respond, as is the case here, then that would be considered a microcosm.

[bravenak]

31. You see THAT as the macrocosm? Ok.

[bobbobbins01]

33. Well yes, its the definition of a macrocosm.

It is all inclusive an represents all 50 states.

[sabrina 1]

24. It's a great poll, and yes, these online polls ALL OF WHICH Bernie wins overwhelmingly

are scary to people who haven't caught up with the New Media. I ignore them now, and just keep watching as Bernie wins, online polls, straw polls, mock caucus polls.

The ONLY polls hillary wins are the old, outdated traditional polls.

THANKS for posting this latest sign of Bernie's continuing rise as his name recognition increases. All we have to do is to keep doing what we have been doing, and ignore the naysayers!

[Dr Hobbitstein]

86. Laughable!

"The ONLY polls hillary wins are the old, outdated traditional polls."

You mean scientific and reliable polls. Of course you believe Dr. Oz is some great liberal, so you'll believe about anything.

[zappaman]

125. I admit I laughed as well.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

127. Why do you hate Michelle Obama? nt

[leftofcool]

29. I will decide what my sig line represents

And, it is still a Twitter Poll which means nothing.

[bobbobbins01]

32. Yes, I'm just saying for clarity's sake..

since it only represents one specific black life, you could simplify it. Or at least say Of course one black life matters.

[JimDandy]

105. +1.

[sabrina 1]

22. Keep laughing, I love how those still using old, traditional out of touch methodologies dismiss

the PEOPLE'S opinions. Same thing happened in 2008! Meantime Bernie keeps on gaining support as more and more people get to know him.

Gallop, Lol! Old, out of date polling that they admit themselves, is failing to predict elections as they are not able to poll what has become a majority of voters.

[PosterChild]

99. Mathematics is sooooooo yesterday ! eom

[AgingAmerican]

168. Landlines are Sooooo yesterday

[sabrina 1]

28. Why can't Hillary win a twitter poll? I would be worried too if my candidate couldn't win

a twitter poll where literally millions of people get their news, learn about candidates, and decide who they want to represent them.

I wouldn't be laughing though and I don't think her campaign is laughing.

[bobbobbins01]

34. Sanders supporters are legion.

We're so well mobilized that any poll not conducted by someone in a labcoat feels our bern. Our hackers are working around the clock to ensure no open poll goes untainted.

[AgingAmerican]

35. Particularily given her vast twitter support

from people in Bangladesh and India.

[sabrina 1]

36. And name recognition. Seriously I would be very worried if I were part of her campaign.

She should be demolishing the opposition considering all her advantages but she can't even get close to Bernie on ANY online polls, straw poll, focus group, mock election, mock caucus.

Only place she appears to be ahead is the old traditional polls which no longer reflect the electorate due to their old methodologies. Why they got the UK election so stunningly wrong, Greece too and Canada.

[bobbobbins01]

45. I think there needs to be exit polls at every polling station.

Polls right now are very contradictory so as any candidate, I'd want that data to support my win and help pull support from the other candidate after they lose.

[mythology]

107. The scientific polls aren't contradictory

They all show Clinton in the lead.

Non-scientific, self-selected surveys are not polls. There is a reason the cnn.com debate question that Sanders "won" says the results aren't scientifically valid.

[bobbobbins01]

108. My point still stands.

I realize that these are not scientific polls, but when many of them, across the board all support one candidate while the scientific polls show something else, it doesn't pass the smell test. I'm not saying anything hinky is going on, but I'd want exit polls to help paint a fuller picture.

[Android3.14]

171. The dirty little secret

Polling firms filter their population of respondents to tailor the result. The only poll that matters and, if untampered, represents the will of the voters is the vote.

[UglyGreed]

40. +1

Bernie must be giving candy out to all the so called middle schoolers I read about in some threads here.

[sabrina 1]

156. Why can't Hillary win any Twitter polls? Bernie just won the Justice Forum poll also. Are you going

to laugh at too? You must be getting tired of laughing at all the polls, focus groups, mock causes, mock elections, straw polls, online polls, debate viewer polls that Bernie is winning? After a while, it begins to look like Bernie is the candidate the people believe represents them the most.

If Hillary could win just one of these polls, but O'Malley is beginning to beat her now in these people polls. Not good for her campaign when so many, many markers that tell us what voters are thinking are being won overwhelmingly by someone no one had heard of just a few months ago.

[Imajika]

42. Bernie Sanders has virtually zero chance of winning the nomination...

Sorry, I've avoided all the Bernie v Hillary wars but reality is what it is.

Barring an illness or something else of that magnitude, Hillary Clinton will be the Democratic Party nominee.

Sanders can and is helping shape the debate on the Democratic side, but he has no chance to be the nominee even if he wins Iowa and NH. Hillary is just too strong in almost every state. Sanders is not Obama, not even close.

These types of polls are utterly worthless. They are not remotely scientific and measure intensity not depth of support.

Ron Paul won all these types of polls on the Republican side the previous 2 cycles (and practically every straw poll), but wasn't even a factor in the overall primary process. In fact, Paul got huge crowds where no other candidate could get even close to his numbers to turn out, yet he was still was a complete afterthought with no chance to win the GOP nomination.

Bernie and O'Malley are the sacrificial lambs of the 2016 Democratic Primary process. Without them Hillary would end up with a completely uncontested coronation which would do her more damage in the long run than facing 2 exceedingly weak opponents.

The truth is Hillary NEEDS Sanders and O'Malley to stay in the race so it looks like she has to "fight" for the nomination. A nomination she won't even come close to being denied.

Sorry, it is what it is.

[SunSeeker]

55. Thank you for your lucid, well-reasoned assessment of reality.

[Ed Suspicious]

60. If it is virtually assured you might as well stop reminding us of

her inevitability.

[NurseJackie]

74. It's push-back. What were you expecting?

A bouquet of roses?

[Imajika]

90. Actually I don't think I've said a word about it...

I haven't been that active on the forum recently and I don't particularly feel like being some killjoy dashing the hopes of those that support Sanders.

This thread just caught my attention and I felt like stating the obvious as a reality check. Political reality is what it is.

I think what people are missing in all of this is that far from being a thorn in her side, Hillary Clinton needs Sanders and O'Malley to remain in the race. She knows if this primary appears to be the coronation it really is, it will breed resentment and possibly diminish turnout for her in the general election. It needs to appear as if she's fought for this nomination, she needs to appear to want the Presidency enough to fight hard for it. Hillary needs this long primary campaign to fire up her base and reassure Democrats that she is a brawler, tough and ready for the job. She needs Democrats to get excited about her being the nominee, and she'll need some sacrificial lambs in the Democratic primary to do it.

I know it may not seem like it, but Hillary and her entire operation are essentially giving Sanders a pass. Just enough criticism to make sure he doesn't become a real threat or do any actual damage to her, but not enough to drive him out of the race.......yet.

I'm sorry for the Sanders folks, ignore this if you'd like. Whatever. But this is the reality of the situation.

Not only is Hillary almost certain to be the Democratic nominee, barring some very dramatic events, she has a very good chance of being the next President. That is far from assured, but her odds are good. She won't be a particularly wonderful or exciting candidate, but there is enough going for her that the odds are in her favor.

[Ed Suspicious]

93. If she wins we lose. That's reality.

[Imajika]

100. A valid opinion which many share...

...but that does not change the dynamics of the race one iota.

Bernie Sanders comes across as authentic, honest and genuinely decent. There is a lot to like about him, his record, etc. There is a good reason he draws large crowds and genuine grass roots excitement.

It just won't be near enough, not even close. Like it or not he is serving a valuable purpose for the Hillary campaign. Sanders is not near strong enough to win the nomination, but provides Hillary the cover she needs so that this primary doesn't look like a coronation.

One could argue it is worth supporting Bernie the candidate even if you know he is not going to win the nomination in order to strengthen him for a future run, but at 74 that is unlikely to happen. The other significant argument for supporting a candidate who has no chance to win the nomination is to use the opportunity to push the Democrat party to the left on as many issues as possible - and that, to me, is worthwhile.

Still, all that said, none of it changes the dynamics of this particular race.

[DianeK]

97. ha!

Gospel according to Imajika! Thanks for confirming that ..yes, she really is looking for the inevitable coronation...we have a ways to go yet..buckle up

[Robbins]

128. Giving him a pass?

You mean when she infers he's sexist and racist.and when she smears him for wanting to destory medicare

That is so stupid that it bears no resemble

and bearing bernie winning the primary is failure.she will move party so far to right it won't be funny.her and her supporters are
already trashing liberals and progressives.

nominate Clinton and you gurante republican complete control of government in january 2017.I am not the only one who won't vote for her under any circumses.she is too republican lite.

I can list many reasons why but the cult of personality to you clinton supporters is useless reasoning with you.

[Bobbie Jo]

133. Wut??

[demwing]

84. "Sorry, it is what it is" - Nope, I'M sorry

You've mistaken an opinion with a fact.

[Old Codger]

154. and this

will surely endear her to her repug base

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251836817

[Kind of Blue]

177. Thank you for breaking this down so simply.

I've avoided BS vs HRC battle because neither one move me at all, but I wasn't sure if Sanders is consciously being a herder by solidifying the very far left to eventually hand over to HRC. Whether he consciously is or not, it's having the same effect of strongly rallying the base against the Republicans for the eventual HRC nomination. I cannot help but feel this is all a sham.

[brooklynite]

49. Hmm, why is Sanders dropping?

He's been clocking in at 80% in DU polls.

[NurseJackie]

70. Oopf!

[JimDandy]

106. Actually it is a Yoog, Yoog increase! Yoog, I say!

According to POC Duers, he's been clocking in at near 0% among DU POC. And they insist, INSIST, I tell ya, that POC everywhere don't, and wouldn't, support Bernie. The twitter poll was answered by followers of a well-known BLM activists. Those followers are most likely largely POC (read somewhere that the majority of Twitter users are POC). So, actually it's a 70% increase in support of Bernie!

#FeelTheBern

[Scootaloo]

57. He received 65% in the straw poll conducted at the criminal Justice reform event in Charlston.

Specifically on the issue of criminal justice reform, at least.

[firebrand80]

87. Bernie Sanders, President of the Internet

[Live and Learn]

94. We did a homeless walk and Bernie tableing event in LA today.

Many POC stopped by and were genuinely interested in Bernie. Many were also enthusiastic supporters and signed up to volunteer. It was a very good morning. I don't believe any of the stuff the Hillary camp is putting out about their 'base'.

[OilemFirchen]

98. If Carrot Top did a Twitter poll Sanders would win by 70%.

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[Skidmore]

111. Ah, straight from the annals of the Institute of Haruspicy.

To be admired, I'm sure.

[mcar]

112. A notable annal indeed

[DCBob]

116. Twitter dee... Twitter dumb.

Thank goodness the Office of President is not decided by Twitter tweets.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

126. 125 replies...

and I can see exactly two. You must have irritated a lot of Clinton supporters.

[peacebird]

129. LOL! Love your reply!

[Robbins]

134. I also can't see most of the replies

with all the clinton supporters i have on my ignore list

[TheFarS1de]

136. I just noticed the same thing ...

20 viewable , I must have the majority on ignore ...... just a few left to blacklist

[RevoRanger]

142. Sanders and VP announcement?

If Donald Trump won't take Oprah...why not Bernie? The ticket would be still Democrat but with a new reasoned male father figure for the country and an intelligent widely regarded female mother figure.
This ticket would announce to all a new day for America, the land that I love.
Do that Bernie and the entire race is won. Hillary would fold and so would the entire Republican field.
The whole world would appauld except for the oligarchs and those who believe that our world family does not matter.

[Tarc]

143. 3 cheers for unscientific self-selected polling

Without them, Sanders would never win a thing around here.

[NurseJackie]

146. underage, foreigners, republicans, & multiple votes

Sounds like fraud to me. Worthless.

[bravenak]

151. I see lots of stuff that looks like fraud.

Still waiting on actual plans with actual numbers on them.

[Number23]

158. The OP seems so proud that the poll was posted on the Twitter page of a BLM activist

but that doesn't seem to me that only BLM activists or even people that are remotely interested in BLM are the only ones voting in that poll.

[AgingAmerican]

169. Three cheers for landlines

And 'scientific' polls where 1/3 of those polled didn't even know a debate had occurred.

[Truprogressive85]

157. Here are facts

Unempolyment and underemployment in my community is too high
There are still whole a lot of mortgages underwater because these big banks rather kick black folks in the street than renegotiate the loans
Black students are getting screwed by high amounts of debt and high interest rates
The legalization of marijuana, drug rehabs not jails is needed if a candidate wants to keep punishing those for smoking weed than they are not serious about criminal justice reform

Now I want a fighter on my side not someone who got speaking fees from insitutions that took my neighbors home,not someone who voted who send my peers into the battle over a lie

[RiverLover]

173. Great post.

Thank you!

You ARE a true progressive. Now lets just hope we get some representation.

[Art_from_Ark]

175. Hear hear!

[Cal33]

174. I know polls aren't too reliable. But the following can be noticed:

1. Both polls of Time Mag. taken in Oct. and Nov. of the Dem. Primaries
also show Bernie ahead by about 6 to 1 -- just like McKesson's on
Twitter.

2. Time Mag's debate on a weekday had 3 times as many people polling
as the debate held on a Saturday. DWS has the third Democratic
Primary also on scheduled for a Saturday, on Dec. 19. She must
have done this deliberately, because she is trying to have as few
people see Bernie debating as possible. It's a dirty trick worthy of
a Republican, but not of a Democrat.

We DUers should be letting her know by demanding en masse
(telephone, e-mail, regular postal mail) that the date be changed
to (for example) Tuesday, December 15.

Personally, I'd like to see her resign from the DNC Chairperson
position. She isn't worthy of it.

[Betty Karlson]

181. Right there with you. eom

[MaggieD]

178. They should make him president of Twitter then

Just as soon as he finishes his term of president of Facebook. LOL!