Bernie bragging about Republican support

[MaggieD]

I'm trying to think of any other Dem presidential primary candidate in history that has touted and sought republican support to win the Dem presidential primary. I can't think of one.

Can anyone else?

Now, technically Bernie is not a Dem. So maybe this doesn't count. But if he appeals so much to republicans I think that is a reason he doesn't appeal to the majority of Dems.

[Bjorn Against]

1. If he can pull voters away from the Republicans I would think that is a good thing

I don't think there has ever been a Democratic candidate who did not hope to pull support from the Republicans.

If Bernie can get Republicans to vote for him without selling out his values then more power to him.

[MaggieD]

3. He wants republicans to vote in Dem primaries

Everyday I find new reasons to loathe him.

[Bjorn Against]

7. He wants Republicans to leave the Republican party and vote for Democrats

If you loathe him for working to get Republicans to abandon their party then that says more about you than it does about him.

[Blue_Adept]

43. And yet we complain here about how many conservatives are now Democrats

because their own party has gone to shit.

Can't have it both ways.

[Bjorn Against]

52. But Bernie is not taking conservative positions

He is not embracing conservative positions to get Republicans to vote for him, instead he is working to convince people that conservative policies have harmed working Americans and he is calling for real change. He is working to change people's minds, he is not moving to the right to win them over.

[arcane1]

201. That's dishonest. He's changing their minds, which is a good thing.

I thought we wanted to win people over with progressive ideas

[cascadiance]

347. I think there are some here that are confusing Republican populists with conservatives...

There definitely ARE populist independent and Republicans that see Bernie as finally being an honest politician pushing on issues that 1% elites don't want, but the 99% DOES. Even if some of them have more conservative social viewpoints, some of those weigh that Bernie has the power for "the people" that they aren't getting from Korporate Republicans or that they perceived that Korporate Democrats have limited their choice to in the past.

Just because some Democrats here (Demokrats) HATE populists which is why they want Bernie shut down so much, doesn't mean that there aren't many of us who want that corporate power taken down that they brought in when they allowed the Koch brothers to help them start the DLC cancer back in the 90's in the party that has gotten to a point that this tumor needs to be removed from the party to stay viable.

There are many Republicans who have RIGHTLY complained along with many of us that banksters haven't been prosecuted even to the extent that Reagan's administration prosecuted them during the Savings and Loan crisis under the Obama administration with the likes of Holder NOT doing his job, and that that LACK of the DOJ doing it's work for the American people shows corporate corruption of our party which we've complained about for a long time too. The corporate media has tried to make this an "Obama problem" which some Republicans swallow as the reason, but many are seeing the systemic problem of corruption in both parties now and that Bernie represents a way out of this damage.

[dsc]

354. consersvative populism

is no friend of minorities. Pat Buchanan is a prime example of conservative populism and to that I say no thanks indeed.

[cascadiance]

357. If it gives us more votes to stop TPP and those supporting it...

... and some right wingers sacrifice their social issue crap to vote in a non-corporatist leftie like Bernie, then what's wrong with that? If you are saying Buchanan has more in common with Bernie than Hillary then you are really confused.

[dsc]

359. you dance with those who brung you

If he gets those votes to cross the finish line he will be dancing their tune when he crosses it. You are foolish if you think that isn't how it works. Appealing overtly to conservative populism is akin to appealing overtly to racism and homophobia you can't attract the former without at the last being silent about the latter.

[cascadiance]

361. And the Clintons danced with the Koch brothers and the DLC who "brung them"!

And who influence corporate Democrats' actions far more than some populist leaning Republican votes for Bernie would influence him to vote for any of their right wing issues. He won't aiienate us lefties.

Protecting American jobs (which is nonpartisan) AND protecting foreign workers from exploitation that Bernie and we want even if that part doesn't motivate the wingnuts works best for all of us, even if those who love and serve corporate interests hate doing that.

[dsc]

365. except to conservative populists

I, and Barack Obama, and a whole lot of people aren't Americans. I literally have no place in their America.

[cascadiance]

370. And you think that if a few of them vote for Bernie, he'll do their bidding?

... and not ours as progressives? If so, you REALLY are on drugs!

If some of these conservative populists keep their jobs like we as progressives also want to keep their jobs by voting for Bernie, then why should that matter? UNLESS, you care more about the wealthy elites that will sacrifice more if corporate serving Republicans or Democrats aren't elected when those like Bernie get elected instead. Of course corporate Democrats won't admit here on DU that they are more concerned about corporate America than average Americans. I get that!

[dsc]

373. He will ignore those issues

and his career shows it.

[cascadiance]

375. BS! Was he "ignoring" civil rights in the 60's LEADING anti-segregation protests?

... at the University of Chicago while Hillary was supporting Goldwater who was AGAINST the Civil Rights Act then. Bernie's been CONSISTENTLY supporting progressive issues throughout his career. Hillary? Not so much!

[Chan790]

383. Sure you can.

It's perfectly reasonable to want to welcome former Republicans into the tent. It's also perfectly reasonable to expect them to wipe the conservatism off their shoes so they don't track shit on our lovely progressive carpets.

It's not reasonable to want to be a Democrat but remain an ideological conservative or to think that the best way to attract former Republicans is to co-opt the conservative agenda like the DLC, DWS, the Clintons and Al From are advocates of doing.

[AgingAmerican]

176. The OP was created because Hillary has no crossover appeal

So they try to spin crossover appeal as a negative, but provide no evidence of such.

[kristopher]

328. +1 !!!

[msrizzo]

12. The underlying message seems to be...

If you hate Hillary so help me thwart her. Just my opinion. And anyone attracted by that message will go right back to their party in the General and vote for Trump or whichever is the last clown standing.

[MaggieD]

19. Exactly

He disgusts me.

[pangaia]

37. You make that perfectly clear in many of your posts.

trouble is, in my view, you also either do not understand what he is/has said and is doing/had done.. or--

[pangaia]

88. Sanders is a .. a.. "huckster?"""

Maybe you should plead the 5th.

[MaggieD]

92. Absolutely he is....

I could start a whole OP on his hucksterism. Maybe Friday. I have stuff to do today.

[treestar]

114. A post getting hidden for saying that

shows the partisanship - I mean Hillary has been called as much and worse. An attack on a poster can be hidden, but now we're seeing attacks on BS hidden.

[BootinUp]

123. I wouldn't call it just partisanship, more like

trying to silence viewpoints.

[Skidmore]

346. Yes...

So much for the "issues." Telling.

[MeNMyVolt]

147. +1. But the "Pimped" thread is going strong. n/t

[Politicalboi]

96. But you're fooled by the biggest huckster Hillary

Hillary people getting more and more desperate here.

[treestar]

116. watch out you 'll get a hide

oh, wait.

[bvar22]

192. Fooled by "the biggest huckster in history",

but supports Hillary who was fooled by the WORST Huckster in History, Bush-the Lesser[/i
.
.
.
.
Gears are grinding.

[840high]

238. I feel the same way about you.

[lunamagica]

95. + one million. They just want to get Hillary out of the way, just to go back

to the Republican party for the GE.

This is so transparent that I don't know how so many don't see it... or perhaps they do, and they just also want to beat Hillary, no matter the cost

[TheFarseer]

166. That's a very cynical view

especially in light of the many polls that shows Bernie doing better against the Republicans than Hillary. Do you really not think there are a sizable group of people - Democrats and Republicans) that are sick of politics as usual? I think get the money out of politics, a humble foreign policy and no more job killing trade deals is a message that crosses party lines.

[BootinUp]

180. Were you aware that predictwise has Hillary at 59%

(last I saw it) of winning the GE? On top of that, Democrats, according to many many polls think she has the best chance to win? This meme that Bernie does better against pukes fades when exposed to a critical eye. More than likely it represents the fact he has not (yet) been exposed to puke attacks and pukes just don't have much knowledge about him at all.

[cascadiance]

348. Tell me how Hillary appeals to Republicans who like Trump's anti-TPP and anti-H-1B messages...

more than Bernie! if Republicans don't like the TPP and like that Trump has been speaking against it, why would they be more apt to vote for Hillary in the general election than Bernie? Don't you think that if they don't like the TPP, that they might be drawn more to crossing over for Bernie than Hillary? If not, WHY do you think they would vote for Hillary more so?

That is why there are so many articles out there now that show that Bernie polls better against Trump and other Republicans than Hillary does.

[BootinUp]

352. Why focus on TPP? Trumpkins main issue

is they want a nativist outsider billionaire. If TPP was that important to them there are other candidates they would support (including Hillary).

These voters that want elect an unqualified outsider are not going to swing the election. They might make noise in a primary, but in a General Election they will be a tiny fraction of actual votes.

[cascadiance]

353. So, how do you "know" that reason is what drives them? Do you identify with their needs too?

There are many Republicans that are against the TPP, or do you deny that with ignorance?

If they are against the TPP, and Trump has been speaking against it, does it not make sense that he's drawing many of them against it to support him?

Now, I will grant you that many who are against the TPP are doing so for reasons of being xenophobic that many of the rest of us are against it want more GLOBAL workers' rights to not be exploited by corporate power that have dominated the efforts to set up TPP, guest worker programs, and the like that have taken away our jobs. Republicans don't like losing jobs, and neither do we. But many of us understand that it is a systemic issue that only rewards the wealthy powerful, which is why we want TPP and other corporate serving trade deals shut down, even if many Republicans don't just yet.

That doesn't change the fact that these groups of Republicans that don't like the TPP and its effect on American jobs, would be more apt to cross over for someone like Bernie than Hillary whether some are xenophobic or not.

[BootinUp]

356. I simply described the loudmouth jerk.

People that are for Trump are hopelessly lost, too angry to understand politics, or angry because they don't understand politics, take your choice.

I noticed you skipped over the fact that Hillary is not in favor of the dreaded TPP.

I also noticed you ignored the difference between primary voters and GE voters which is a much larger pool.

Have a nice day.

[cascadiance]

360. Umm... she was FOR it before she was "against it" sir! And helped NEGOTIATE it as SOS!!!

PULLEASE! She was about as against it as Obama was against NAFTA when he said he would "renegotiate it" when campaigning in 2008 and wound up pushing TPP and fast track harder than any other issue he pushed for as president, even if it might give fast track authority for a REPUBLICAN if one won with a Republican congress in 2016 for four years! WHY! Because they are both working for the corporate dollars that fund their campaign and NOT Bernie's! Whether Trump is speaking honestly or not doesn't really matter. He's speaking against TPP, because he knows that many Republicans aren't stupid enough to be for something that works against their interests, no matter how many of those interests are also xenophobic, etc. too.

If Hillary was so against the TPP, then F'ing WHY did she not speak out against fast track when she might have made a difference in getting that voted blocked by the Senate. If she'd spoken against it then, it might have kept some corporate Democrat congress critters from helping it pass! Evidently your sarcastic "dreaded" adjective speaks loudly for your concern, or lack of it, for corporate influence over our government.

[BootinUp]

364. People who aren't trade and or economic experts

and don't even know jack about a particular trade deal are not the folks I would listen to. That includes many politicians, and bloggers and other assorted know-it-alls out for attention. Trade deals can be good, bad, mostly good, mostly bad. The devils are in the details as I understand it.

I get the fear though, its not like I don't wish things were easier out there myself. But I suggest folks should be more skeptical of politicians that might be using an issue just to get support.

As for Hillary. I would describe her as someone who will fight for better trade deals for Americans. She is not going to fight against any and all trade deals no. You want someone that is against it without knowing whats in it, I get that.

As Krugman has said there are other important economic issues that liberals should be focused on at least as much if not more. There is no silver bullet.

Here's a question for you, what do you think is easier for a politician to do, explain the complicated truth or just sell a simple black and white story? Which is more responsible?

Cya.

[cascadiance]

368. Most of what we hear come through corporate filters, that are also NOT who to listen to...

Especially when TPP and these trade deals were negotiated in secret primarily just between corporate reps and revolving door trade reps.

If there were any good trade deals between NAFTA and now, why don't you give us an example and why they served the American people primarily and not multinational corporations. The American people are tired of being fed this free trade BS. In my book when I'm hearing that TPP might remove quotas on H-1B program and how that affects my career, then I'm sorry, but for those of us stuck being unemployed in between a lot of short term contract jobs, these issues are top issues for us.

More like AVOIDING telling us the intentionally complicated "truth" that works against the common persons' interests.

WHY does Hillary support H-1B expansion? Is that being a responsible politician serving most of us or serving certain campaign contributors?

[BootinUp]

374. I shared my decision making process and you have shared yours

Hillary will not push for radical changes from the current Administration on H1-B visas as far as I know.

[cascadiance]

376. And BOTH this administration and she support corporate interests on this over our interests!

WHY should I support BS that screws me and many other Americans AND many other foreign workers who are also exploited by this program to make the elites wealthier at our expense? Why do you support this program? You claim to share your "decision making process". Why do YOU support their support of this BS program?

[Floyd Steinberg]

367. Predictwise can predict my continued dismissal of stupid prediction websites

as a bad indicator of who will be the President.

They can predict that Clinton will win, but at the end, the polls, the predictors, and Clinton folks will be stunned.

[BootinUp]

371. Some folks might not know what it is

It is not really a prediction of who will win. Its more of a current conventional wisdom but you have to put some money down to put your opinion in there. I think most of these bettors are watching the race pretty close. Its just another way of gauging things.

[Floyd Steinberg]

379. Well, conveniential wisdom

Is not going to help them. Many people have signed up and is not under any polls that has been released. Secondly, the millennials are being sorely underrepresented and they account at about 75 million voters who are very motivated to put Sanders in.

[AgingAmerican]

183. The overlying message IS Hillary has zero crossover appeal

So her supporters feel they must spin crossover appeal as a negative thing.
They are trying to spin LESS VOTES in the general as a good thing. This is a goofy OP.

[Yallow]

229. " will go right back to their party"

But they didn't in Vermont.

The voted for Bernie instead of their Republican candidate, even though they were Republicans.

There is still hope.

Screw the labels.

Bernie represents people, and the sooner they all (conservative and liberal) figure it out the better.

To hell with Wall Street's greed is a message many "conservatives" can accept.

Some of the Conservatives are not as brain dead as the average 24/7 Fox News Viewers.

[Cha]

306. Can repubs even vote in Dem primaries?

[cascadiance]

349. In "Open primary" states like California and Washington they can!

Now in Oregon, we rejected that kind of primary, and I think I like closed primaries better, but there are these states that do have Republicans show up and vote for Dems now!

[Joe Turner]

45. It's called reaching out for common ground

While the republican part may be a toxic cesspool of scum there are republican voters that are looking at other choices outside the Clown Car. That's a good thing.

[pangaia]

48. No. He wants human beings to vote for him in primaries.

He realizes, in my view, that threr are a large number of people who register their names in the republican party who really, if they understood what that party has become, and can come to understand what he stands for, would, in fact "become' supporters of the democratic party, or of what it once may have been, and would become supporters of HIM in particular.

[treestar]

118. that does not sound very logical

Given what Republicans tend to believe. It doesn't make a lot of sense that people who think like Republicans would agree with Bernie on anything.

[pangaia]

126. nuance, details,... all people who lean republican politically

may not be the same...

[AgingAmerican]

191. If you want to understand, you must educate yourself

If you watch Sanders speech/Q&A at Liberty University, you will fully understand why 1/5 of GOP voters will crossover and vote for him in the general election. Here it is for you, if you don't educate yourself on this, it's on you, not us.

[Divernan]

85. Your loathing has been evident for months, now!

[Bobbie Jo]

211. Is that against the rules now?

Plenty of "loathing" to go around here, so I'm not sure what the scolding is all about in this particular case.

[MrMickeysMom]

309. This is so funny to see in writing...

After all of the OPs that address themselves towards Sanders supporters for being hateful...

This is just ironic.

[Bobbie Jo]

312. No, not really...

This is just what one would call an exception to the rule.

[MrMickeysMom]

322. Depends on what rules you mean...

Do as I say and not as I do rule?

[floriduck]

155. Let's be clear.

Are you stating that IF Bernie magically beat Hill in the primary, your loathesomeness for him would not allow you to vote for the Democratic nominee? I just want to understand your position.

Happy Thanksgiving on this day to you and yours.

[AgingAmerican]

172. So you loathe him because of something you just made up?

[MrMickeysMom]

308. Well at least you admit that you're a hater who gotta hate...

I hear they they do things like that.

Congratulations for being authentic.

[Logical]

321. Every day you are more and more desperate! nt

[FreakinDJ]

90. The Op is referring to "Undecided Voters" which every candidate needs to win

[PowerToThePeople]

2. Reaching across the isle

I can think of another person who claimed this strategy, except that this individual abandoned the left and actually went across the isle.

http://republicansforobama.org/

[MaggieD]

4. Obama did not campaign to republicans in the primary

And ask for their vote. Your guy disgusts me. Sorry.

[PowerToThePeople]

5. The views you express on this board

disgust me.

[MaggieD]

10. Right back atcha

[liberalnarb]

170. Bernie Never ASKED republicans for their support

He bashes them like crazy. Have you ever watched one of his speeches? Have you heard him speak of the republicans "amnesia" of the bush years? Don't act as if Bernie is pandering to republicans. In fact I think I remember someone else doing just that very recently...

[SwampG8r]

193. Shes using her patented bobblehead move she perfected with blm

[liberalnarb]

196. OK? What does that have to do with pandering to rethugs?

[SwampG8r]

234. Its off topic. She looks like.a bobblehead

When she does ber head.nodding it means to me she is just w a nting the person to hurry up
It usually i have noticed precedes an angry rejoinder used to distract from whatever she is bobbing her head too
Im pretty deaf.and my body language interpretations are my own

[liberalnarb]

244. OK then

[AgingAmerican]

226. Please link to where Sanders did that

If you cannot link to it, then it is a lie.

[cui bono]

387. Funny, such a busy poster hasn't replied to this.

[redstateblues]

313. It's an old Rush Limbaugh trick

[PowerToThePeople]

345. On this board, he is called limpballs

Or other disparaging terminology.

Hmmm.

[cui bono]

385. People who post at the Clinton Cave and then troll DU with their hate and lies disgust me.

[Broward]

6. Bernie doesn't chase the Repubs to attract votes unlike the corporate Dems.

He doesn't sacrifice core Democratic principles to win votes. He's consistent with his Progressive message. If that message resonates with Repubs, then that's a good thing.

[MaggieD]

8. Oh yes he does

That's why he's a reliable vote for the MIC.

[Bjorn Against]

18. I think you are confusing him with Hillary

Bernie was the one who voted against the Military Industrial Complex when he opposed the Iraq War resolution, Hillary on the other hand has been a reliable vote for the Military Industrial Complex.

[MaggieD]

20. No he did not

In fact he has voted yes on every war funding bill since he was in congress. He voted for the Iraq war funding bill on the exact same day he voted against the war.

And he is Lockheed Martians wet dream on the boondoggle F-35 fighter jet.

You sure don't seem to know much about your candidate.

[Bjorn Against]

29. No you are the one who doesn't know about him if you claim he voted for the IWR

He very clearly voted against the war, he did vote for funding but only because troops were already being sent and not funding them would put them in danger. He opposed sending the troops in the first place, Hillary supported it.

As far as the F-35 goes he was never an advocate for the project, but once the project had already been approved and there was nothing he could do to stop it he tried to get some jobs for his state out of the deal which is something any Senator would do.

[MaggieD]

34. He has voted for EVERY war funding bill

.... Including the AUMF funding bill the exact same day he voted against the war.

[Bjorn Against]

38. Which war funding bills did Hillary vote against?

[Duckhunter935]

58. Crickets, lol

[Floyd Steinberg]

42. So you'd rather leave the troops with sticks and stones to fight once they are out of ammo?

Brilliant logic you got there, MaggieD

What about rations?

Bernie may not support the war, but he does support the troops, thus the funding.

[MaggieD]

53. He's a warmonger and a MIC supporter

His voting record is clear.

[Floyd Steinberg]

61. Whatever.

Bernie's record is clear. He's no warmonger or a MIC supporter.

Your logic fails. Have a nice Thanksgiving.

[MaggieD]

62. Yes, his record IS clear

I think that's why he's losing.

[cui bono]

389. Links? Put up or shut up.

[Bjorn Against]

67. So do you also consider Hillary a warmonger and MIC supporter?

If not then please cite an example in which Hillary voted against the MIC but Bernie supported it.

I can cite the Iraq War Resolution as an example of when she voted for the MIC but he voted against it. If you can't find a counter example then I assume you would agree that Hillary is more of a warmonger than he is, correct?

[MannyGoldstein]

71. Brava!

Keep at it, you're getting better with each post!

Regards,

TWM

[Politicalboi]

110. You forgot your sarcasm thingy

When having to defend the indefensible, I guess people will say anything.

[Art_from_Ark]

325. When he signs his posts "TWM", it's his way of including the "sarcasm thingy".

[beam me up scottie]

136. Hillary lied to get us into Iraq. She's a war monger who laughs about it.

[Karma13612]

253. yes his record is clear: he is NOT a war monger

or a MIC supporter.

He comes out against war at every turn.

Not sure if we are talking about the same Bernie Sanders.

Mine is the Senator from the great state of Vermont.

Mine stands with the 99%, supports the troops, supports the unions (even if they aren't endorsing him), supports $15/hr, and wants to stop feeding the greed and corruption on every level both in the public and private sector.

Happy Gobble Gobble to you.

[cui bono]

388. Links? Put up or shut up.

[okasha]

271. There is a very simple way to both defund the war

while maximizing the troops' safety. Submit and pass a funding bill which would fully fund rations, medical care and transport home, but not pay for any
new armaments or more ordnance than required to protect soldiers on the way to the airstrips.

[cascadiance]

351. So is this a "war mongering" funding bill that Bernie has pushed?...

http://www.hngn.com/articles/79194/20150321/war-tax-sen-bernie-sanders-wants-to-force-lawmakers-to-pay-for-wars-they-propose.htm

If this war tax he's proposing on the wealthy to fund our wars is an example of your "war mongering" funding bill that he's for, then it explains why you are HOPELESSLY CONFUSED on what is a "war mongering" bill and what is one that is trying to take down the military industrial complex which this is a clear example to the rest of us that can intelligently see how he's trying to ensure that we aren't bankrupted by Republicans and Korporate Demokrats to do the military industrial complex's bidding.

[pangaia]

51. In my view, oyu might want to dig a little deeper into

the history of what you post. the whens, whys and wherefores....

[tammywammy]

93. LOL

LM's "wet dream"

No he's not. He's not even on the Armed Services Committee.

[karynnj]

194. there was no funding bill for the Iraq war

The day of the IWR. In fact, that vote was in Oct 2002 and Bush started the war in March 2003.

Please explain why there was a bill to fund a war that was not ordered until 6 months later.

[ucrdem]

205. Sanders voted to fund the Defense Department in fiscal year 2003

on October 10, 2002, the same day he voted against the Iraq AUMF:

https://votesmart.org/bill/3083/12790/27110/use-of-military-force-against-iraq#.VYZ9uba1qSo

https://votesmart.org/bill/3122/8511/27110/department-of-defense-appropriations-fiscal-year-2003#.VYZ8NLa1qSo

[karynnj]

215. the defense bill did not fund the war

There was a 2003 supplemental funding bill to fund the war in Afghanistan and Iraq. ( You might remember the Kerry and Biden pushed a version of the bill which rolled back the tax cuts for the 1 percent to pay for it. That version did not pass, the Bush supported bill added it to debt. )

Equate funding to insure that the troops there, in our nsme, have what they need is not the same as voting for the war.

[ucrdem]

220. Can you link or give the legislative title or number? TIA! nt

[ucrdem]

224. Found it, but it was the following October, and for "defense and reconstruction"

H.R. 3289 (108th): Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Act for Defense and for the Reconstruction of Iraq and Afghanistan, 2004

Vote: Oct 17, 2003

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/108-2003/h562

[cui bono]

386. Voting on continuing funding is very different than voting to abdicate your constitutional duty

and giving the president the power to go to war if s/he feels like it. Especially when the vote abdicating your constitutional responsibilities was made due to a bunch of see-through lies.

You want him to cut funding to the troops who are in Iraq because of Hillary's vote to abdicate her constitutional responsibilities by giving the STUPIDEST president ever, a guy more stupid than most Americans, the power to declare war because she either believed the see-through lies or didn't care that they were lies? Oh, she never even read everything available to her before voting to abdicate her constitutional responsibilities by giving the STUPIDEST president ever, a guy more stupid than most Americans, the power to declare war.

Yeah, THAT'S who I want to be president.

[AgingAmerican]

209. Sanders destroys the Military Industrial Complex

[BlueCaliDem]

16. Actually, he does. All Democrats voted FOR the Brady Bill. He voted against it - 5 times.

The vast majority of Democrats voted against immunizing gun manufacturers, gun distributors, and gun sellers from civil lawsuits: the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (PLCAA) of 2005. Hillary Clinton voted against it. He voted FOR it.

Stronger gun safety laws are a core Democratic Party principle. It's why his vote against the Brady Bill and for the PLCAA resonates with Republicans in his State. But since he's flip-flopped on gun safety laws ever since deciding to run for the Democratic Party nomination, he'll lose those voters because his socialist policies won't resonate with them.

[AgingAmerican]

210. Name one area of gun control in which Hillary disagrees with him.

In THIS century.

Thanks in advance.

[BlueCaliDem]

267. Did you read my post? Because you'd have your answer right there. Here's just ONE: the PLCAA.

And it's YUUUGE.

She took him to task on it during the debate, remember?

Bernie voted for the PLCAA, the NRA's #1 legislative priority, both in 2003 (when it failed) and again for it in 2005 (when it passed). That's in this century, yes? And, of course, you know that the PLCAA is a "get out of jail" free card, don't you? It "shields gun makers and dealers from most liability when their firearms are used criminally. It is one of the most noxious pieces of pro-gun legislation ever passed. And Bernie Sanders voted for it."
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2015/05/bernie_sanders_on_guns_vermont_independent_voted_against_gun_control_for.html

In 2004, a group of families destroyed by the D.C. sniper shootings brought a lawsuit against the gun company and dealer that armed the gunmen, Bull’s Eye Shooter Supply. Bull’s Eye’s sales practices were so grossly negligent they had “lost” 238 guns during the previous three-year period , including the Bushmaster rifle used in the shootings. The families won a settlement of $2.5 million when the trial court determined the gun industry could be held liable.

The gun lobby got the message and decided to clamp down on litigation that was exposing their industry’s bad practices. Just one year later, Congress passed the “Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act” (PLCAA), slamming the courthouse doors on victims and survivors of gun violence like the ones described. The law gave gun manufacturers, distributors and dealers broad immunity from civil litigation—legal protections that were unprecedented and unjustified.1

Included in the ‘Yes’ votes for PLCAA was Democratic presidential candidate U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders (I-VT), who has continued to reiterate his support for the law during his current campaign.

http://csgv.org/action/tell-senator-sanders-reconsider-vote-gun-industry-immunity/

[AgingAmerican]

336. He stated it pretty clearly

If a gun shop illegally sells a gun, then that gun shop is liable period. If a gun shop legally sells a gun, and someone does something illegal with it, it is not the fault of the gun seller. That's basic common sense. I noticed she did not state a stance on the issue. I would love to hear what she thinks on this specifically, but she won't say.

[BlueCaliDem]

380. And he's lying.

If a gun shop illegally sells a gun, then that gun shop is liable period.

The PLCAA did away with that. It's why it was the gun industry's numero uno piece of legislation to pass.

From the Slate article that you didn't bother to link to and/or read:

Before the PLCAA, most states imposed some form of tort liability on gun makers and sellers. If a gun manufacturer made an assault rifle that could slaughter dozens of people in a few seconds, for instance, one of its victims might sue the company for negligently making a gun that could foreseeably be used for mass murder. If a gun seller sold a gun to a customer without performing any kind of background check—and then the buyer opened fire on the subway—his victims might sue that seller for negligently providing a gun to a mentally unstable person. The standards in each state differed, but the bottom line remained the same: Victims of gun violence and their families could recover financially from the people and companies who negligently enabled gun violence.

The PLCAA changed all that. Remarkably, the act wiped out gun liability laws in all 50 states, rendering them invalid except for a handful of narrow exceptions. (So much for states’ rights.) Thanks to the law, victims of mass shootings are barred from suing the companies that produced a wartime weapon that no civilian could ever need. With few exceptions, victims cannot sue a gun seller for negligently providing a semiautomatic weapon to a lunatic who shoots them in a movie theater. Even if a jury decides a gun maker or seller should be liable, the PLCAA invalidates its verdict. The law tramples upon states’ rights, juries’ rights, and fundamental precepts of America’s civil justice system. [font color="red" size="5" face="face"]And it received Bernie Sanders’ support—in both 2003 (when it was first introduced) and 2005 (when it finally passed).[/font]

Why are you defending him on this? You should be OUTRAGED. ALL Americans, whose only recourse against powerful, moneyed interests are the courts, should be outraged about this.

I would love to hear what she thinks on this specifically, but she won't say.

But she did say. She was pretty specific about the PLCAA vote during the debates.

"Probably one of the most egregious, wrong, pieces of legislation that ever passed the Congress when it comes to this issue is to protect gun sellers and gun makers from liability," she said in Iowa Oct. 7.

Can't be any more specific than that. It's supported by the fact that she voted AGAINST the PLCAA while Sanders not only voted for it, he continues to defend it and has yet to apologize for that vote. It should tell you everything you need to know about Bernie Sanders' position on the PLCAA.

But again, in the Slate article:

Several liberal congressional representatives have recently spoken out against the PLCAA, and if Democrats retake both houses of Congress, they may make repealing the law a priority.[font color="purple"] Hillary Clinton, who voted against the act as a senator, would almost certainly sign a repeal bill.[/font] Would a President Bernie Sanders? Until he says otherwise, we have every reason to believe the ostensible progressive hero would stand behind the vile legislation he championed just a decade ago.

I hope I helped answer your doubts. Due to this (and Sanders' inability to build allies in Congress despite his 24+ years as one of their colleagues), I wholeheartedly support and will vote for Hillary Clinton, who is the better candidate when it comes to issues I care about.

[AgingAmerican]

381. Yeah, of course he is

Hillary still hasn't said where she disagrees with him on this. Probably never will, too arrogant.

[BlueCaliDem]

382. Thank you for wasting my time.

[treestar]

124. Then how is he going to attract Republicans?

With what? They don't believe in social programs. They think war is always the answer. I can't see how Bernie can expect to appeal to them other than on guns. They don't believe in gay rights. They want to turn back women's rights.

[AgingAmerican]

212. He doesn't even have to try

They flock to him, not visa versa. If you bothered to watch his speech at Liberty U, you would understand. But, alas, you will not educate yourself on the matter and thus will voluntarily remain in the dark.

[artislife]

326. But h seems to be chasing off progressives...

She has the dem centrists.....and that is about it. Lots of people fed up with Wall Street, corporate greed and Banks looking for someone who is also fed up..and they have found Bernie

[AgingAmerican]

9. Hillary has no crossover appeal

Do you have a link to this 'bragging'?

[MaggieD]

13. You don't know that?

He brags about it all the time. Wake up.

[AgingAmerican]

25. So you admit just made it up.

Thanks for playing.

[MaggieD]

35. I can admit you seem not to know your candidate

[AgingAmerican]

138. Hot air

= wind

[cui bono]

390. Links? Put up or shut up.

[ucrdem]

11. What works in Vermont should stay in Vermont.

Still he made it a race for a couple of months there so I'll give him that.

[AgingAmerican]

222. They make salad and eat bread in Vermont

You better change your diet, quick!!

[ucrdem]

230. LOL

Now you're making me hungry!

[cascadiance]

355. So does this mean you will never eat Ben & Jerry's ice cream again?

[ucrdem]

406. I can probably resist the Boysen-Bernie ...

but I could use a scoop of Hillary Chiffon RIGHT NOW

[SMC22307]

408. How boring vanilla... optics issue. (n/t)

[ucrdem]

409. Okay how about Coconut Clinton Crunch

Sounds appealing doesn't it?

[SMC22307]

410. That looks pretty tasty. I like...

Feel the Bern (Mexican Chocolate with Cinnamon and Cayenne). I can't remember who came up with that -- redwitch, perhaps?

[ucrdem]

412. That one would double as a barbecue sauce

and antihistamine Well minus the pepper I'd try it once

[BootinUp]

14. Bernie's rhetoric focuses on income inequality but not minority rights

it probably does appeal to a few on the other side more than Hillary's rhetoric. But I doubt its enough to make a dent when you consider that most pukes would never vote for his economic positions anyways.

[MaggieD]

22. Agreed it won't help him win

But the fact that he touts it disgusts me.

[Floyd Steinberg]

369. When was the last time you listened to any of Bernie's speeches?

Even just one?

[cui bono]

392. Never.

That one is a participant over at the Clinton Cave. For some reason they are allowed to troll DU.

[cui bono]

391. You would think that if all you read is DU.

Watch a few of his speeches and you'll find out that's just not true. Or ask the BLM activists who said Bernie 'gets it' more than Hillary.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

15. And yet there's this:

https://www.facebook.com/RepublicansForHillary/
http://theweek.com/articles/581622/republicans-hillary-how-trumphating-gop-voters-could-hand-election-clinton
http://www.refinery29.com/2015/06/89426/republican-woman-voting-hillary-clinton-for-president

You might want to get down off that high horse. High altitudes can muddle one's thinking.

[MaggieD]

24. You're deflecting.

She is not campaigning to republicans and bragging about them supporting her.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

36. She doesn't need to campaign to them

since she already advocates so many of their principles.

[Politicalboi]

145. You are sooooo right

I'm glad someone said it.

[cui bono]

393. Links to Bernie doing this please.. thanks!

[Attorney in Texas]

17. Clinton certainly need not worry about any crossover appeal. Let's discuss "Grassley worries about

legal coordination on Clinton email server," OK?

Thanks for setting the tone of the debate.

[emulatorloo]

74. As an Iowan, I'll tell you Grassley is a partisan buffoon

Not someone I would crawl in bed with, but that's your decision.

[LWolf]

21. Because Obama hated Republicans.

He sure didn't reach out for their votes; he vowed to war with them throughout his presidency.

...help me turn the page on the ugly partisanship in Washington so we can bring Democrats and Republicans together to pass an agenda that works for the American people.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/28/AR2008082803216.html

Republicans who supported Barack Obama in the 2008 election say they have few regrets.

The Hill contacted 17 prominent Republicans and members of “Republicans for Obama” groups that launched across the country two years ago. Most of them defended the president and indicated they might vote for him again in two years.

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/126421-republicans-who-backed-obama-say-they-may-vote-for-him-again

One of Sen. Barack Obama’s surest applause lines comes about halfway into his standard stump speech. It goes like this:
“They whisper to me. They say, ‘Barack, I’m a Republican, but I support you.’ And I say, ‘Thank you. Why are we whispering?’”
If the latest polling data are to be believed, those Republicans aren’t whispering in Texas, where 195 of the 228 delegates the state will send to the Democratic National Convention will be chosen in a primary and caucuses Tuesday.
As many as a tenth of the Texans voting in the Democratic contests could be Republicans, and overwhelmingly they favor Obama, a first-term senator from Illinois, the polls show.
“I ran for Republican precinct chair. I went to the Republican state convention,” said one of them, Donald Rau of Austin, who has already voted in early balloting. “In this election, I voted for Barack Obama.”

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/23394070/ns/politics-decision_08/t/texas-republicans-cross-over-vote-obama/#.Vlc5g9KrR2Q

[seabeyond]

23. Because we will just put those social justice, wedge issues to the side. A fav for the Republicans.

They get a taste of the fiscally responsible Democrat AND does not have to mess with those silly blacks, women and gays.

[MaggieD]

27. Thread win ^^^^^^^^

You're exactly right.

[BootinUp]

32. I said same but with much less fire.

[seabeyond]

40. Hence, why I am often kicked off and you are not. These are Sanders words.

We agree. As clear as anyone listening to Sanders can be.

[cui bono]

395. Those were his words? Link to the quotes please. Thanks!

[beam me up scottie]

94. Lol, a supporter of the conservative candidate complaining about Bernie appealing to the right.

[seabeyond]

99. She is in the top 15% of liberals in congress.

[beam me up scottie]

101. She is far to the right of Bernie.

[seabeyond]

103. No. Clinton is not far to the right. She is also in the 15% of most liberal in congress.

[beam me up scottie]

105. Repeating your claim doesn't make her less far to the right of Bernie.

But I can see why she appeals to the conservatives in our party.

No need to apologize, she's still technically not a Republican.

[seabeyond]

109. Research shows she is top 15% liberal Dem in congress

[beam me up scottie]

115. It's not a magic spell, saying it 3 times doesn't negate the fact she's far to the right of Bernie.

[seabeyond]

121. Nor does saying she is far to the right, make it so. I have facts on my side.

[beam me up scottie]

130. She's far to the right of Bernie. It's okay to admit it.

[seabeyond]

140. No, she is not. Have a good Turkey Day.

[AgingAmerican]

199. She is on matters of economics and WAR

Happy turkey day to you too!

[AtomicKitten]

182. I think you're supposed to say it 3 times in a mirror

or something.

[beam me up scottie]

184. Or click you heels together! There's no one like Hill, there's no one like Hill...

[GeorgeGist]

297. You do realize that Hillary is NOT in congress.

[cui bono]

398. LOL! Why didn't I say that in my response.

[cui bono]

397. If you slap yourself you might get rid of that skipping. Works on my record player.

[-none]

137. Which is a indication of the problem with Congress.

The whole of Congress is too far Right. We need to move it back to at least the center.

[seabeyond]

149. I am a supporter of our Democratic party and our President. I simply do not have the same angst

against our party as you do.

[AgingAmerican]

206. So you are a 'purist'?

...interesting...

[BootinUp]

214. I don't think you are using that term correctly. nt

[seabeyond]

216. Lol. What a hoot. Look up the definition. Happy Turkey Day.

[AgingAmerican]

219. OK, lets do that...

"A purist is one who desires that an item remain true to its essence and free from adulterating or diluting influences"

Ironically her supporters back the Third Way®, which is an adulterating influence of right wingism on the Democratic party. Ironic, given their endless cries for party purity.

[cui bono]

396. Because there are only about 5 actual liberals in the whole of congress.

It's a sliding scale and what you stated means nothing. She is a moderate Republican, just like Obama.

[treestar]

128. Republicans are conservative

more so than Hillary.

[beam me up scottie]

132. Compared to Bernie so is Hillary.

[seabeyond]

148. nu uh

[beam me up scottie]

152. More facts from you?

[seabeyond]

158. Google. I see no facts from you when you call Clinton a Republican. Is this a one way street?

[beam me up scottie]

163. When did I call her a Republican? She's Republican lite compared to Bernie.

[seabeyond]

167. Calling Clinton a Republican lite is indeed calling Clinton a Republican.

[beam me up scottie]

171. Only in your mind, to the rest of us words have meanings.

[okasha]

272. Anyone who can "agree to differ"

on women's and LGBT rights is to the right of Hillary and way to the flying hell to the right of me.

[beam me up scottie]

273. Really? How about "Clinton Seeking Shared Ground Over Abortions"

Clinton Seeking Shared Ground Over Abortions

She called on abortion rights advocates and anti-abortion campaigners to form a broad alliance to support sexual education -- including abstinence counseling -- family planning, and morning-after emergency contraception for victims of sexual assault as ways to reduce unintended pregnancies.

"We can all recognize that abortion in many ways represents a sad, even tragic choice to many, many women," Mrs. Clinton told the annual conference of the Family Planning Advocates of New York State. "The fact is that the best way to reduce the number of abortions is to reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies in the first place."

...

Mrs. Clinton supported a proposed ban on late-term abortions as long as it included an exception to protect the health of the mother; in turn, she has opposed such a ban when it lacked that exception. She has also supported some state parental notification laws under which a teenager must involve at least one parent in the decision -- but only when there is an exception in the laws that allows the judge to bypass the law and let the teenager obtain an abortion on her own -- a process known as "judicial bypass," which Mrs. Clinton has also supported before.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/25/nyregion/clinton-seeking-shared-ground-over-abortions.html?_r=0

And then there was her famous speech about LGBT rights:

Bernie never opposed same sex marriage because of bigoted religious beliefs and he never supported any bans on abortion.

It is Hillary who's to the right of Bernie.

[okasha]

280. Beccause it's such a terrible thing

to prevent unwanted pregnancies.

Only you, BMUS,

[beam me up scottie]

281. So when Hillary agrees to differ on women's rights it's okay?

But when Bernie tries to get undecided voters to vote for a Democrat by telling them to put aside those issues he's to the right of her?

Logic - ur doin it wrong.

[okasha]

282. Except that Hillary did not say that,

as you very well know. Carry on.

[beam me up scottie]

283. "There is an opportunity for people of good faith to find common ground in this debate"

She didn't use the exact words "agree to differ" but it sure sounds like asking us to "find common ground" with anti-choice activists is agreeing to differ.

Always a pleasure, okasha.

[okasha]

289. Uhm, no.

It's agreeing to agree about the desirability of preventing unwanted pregnancies.

[beam me up scottie]

290. Um, yes - agreeing to differ about abortion remaining legal.

In order to find common ground and prevent unwanted pregnancies.

[cui bono]

394. Who is doing that? Links?

[Bluenorthwest]

26. Obama '08 had lots of touting of 'Obamacans' by the campaing and all over DU.

“There were Reagan Democrats. So what I said is we need to tap into the discontent of Republicans. I want some Obama Republicans. I want ‘Obamacans.’ "- Barack Obama
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4135650

His supporters were all over it:

Remember when people were doubting Obama on the Obamacan Phenomena?
Guess not so much anymore, hey?
Obamacans: Prominent Republicans Line Up Behind Obama
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7594041

[MaggieD]

28. Not in the primary

So try again.

[Bluenorthwest]

31. The Obama quote is from the Primary. So try again. He's countering Clinton campaign rhetoric in

fact.

[phleshdef]

161. I saw him give a speech right here in Columbus Ohio during the primaries

And he talked about it then, did the whole why are we whispering joke and all that, you are wrong so no need for that poster to try again

[MADem]

30. Sounds to me like he thinks he's tapping into some rightwing agita, there.

Does he think he's Ronald Reagan, and he's courting "Sanders Republicans?"

I think they'd vote for him in the primary in the hopes that they'd have a weaker candidate to face their GOP favorite in the general.

[Bluenorthwest]

33. Candidate Obama:

“There were Reagan Democrats. So what I said is we need to tap into the discontent of Republicans. I want some Obama Republicans. I want ‘Obamacans.’ "- Barack Obama

[MaggieD]

46. "I got 25% of my support from republicans in Vermont"

Thanks, Bern. That's good enough for me to not vote for you.

[-none]

173. How do the issues themselves compare between Bernie, Hillary and your views?

Issues. We need to be discussing the issues. Or is it just personalities that count?
For many people it is the standing of the candidates on the issues that count and that is why they vote for whomever. That is why so many people are getting behind Bernie when they hear what he has to say. The issues are beginning to count more than simply the labels of (D) or (R) or personalities, for people that are actually paying attention. That is why Bernie is drawing people from a wide spectrum of political views and Hillary is not.

I am behind Bernie because I like most of his stances on the various issues. I don't agree with all of them, but I do agree with enough of them, so that he's the one. Not so with Hillary. It is hard to follow where Hillary stands on things. It really is. Plus she is too far to the Right politically.

[Bluenorthwest]

174. Your OP asked a question which I answered with quotes and links, the answer was Obama.

It's that simple. Don't ask questions you don't want answered. You asked, I educated, you just can't deal with being so easily refuted.
A graceful person would say 'thanks, you are correct, Obama did do that'.

[Warren Stupidity]

285. Wait, what? You don't want candidates on our side

to draw votes from their side? Don't you ever get tired of posting absurd horseshit?

[MADem]

47. Awww, if I had a mind, I'd think you were following me around....!

Your attempt to compare your candidate to Obama is

a. Noted

b. Unsuccessful.

Have a nice Thanksgiving, now!!!!

[treestar]

134. LOL

[MADem]

178. Some truths are just self - evident!

Happy Thanksgiving!

[beam me up scottie]

83. I want some Obama Republicans. I want ‘Obamacans.’ "- Barack Obama

Well done, Blue!

[Bluenorthwest]

187. What is most useful about this sort of encounter is the rude, nasty response of this OP's cohort

to what was in fact the question asked. I simply answered with citations and the OP could not gracefully thank me for answering her question, she and her cohort just attack away when a person does them the favor of answering their questions.

She asked, I answered, she freaked out. It writes itself. They ask the best questions. They open all the doors.

[beam me up scottie]

189. She doesn't want answers and isn't interested in dialogue.

I keep telling myself I won't respond to her flamebait but get sucked in anyway.

Trying to counter the lies is always futile.

[bahrbearian]

198. nu uh, nu uh, nu uh

[ViseGrip]

39. You can't win without some on the other side. The facts are Bernie is a liberal, Hillary a centurist

Much of Bernie's support from republican's in his home state is based on their TRUST of him, there is a history of that TRUST that guides them. This is an area Hillary is not doing well. I'm not here to bash Hillary, just pointing out facts we all have read and shared here. More polled do trust Bernie, and the Republican's do have a problem with their candidates when it comes to integrity. Both sides are disenchanted. Another well known factor in this race.

Bernie is the one with a history of actually serving the people, and not special interests.

This fact has been really hard to spin, as in this thread that Bernie has republicans supporting him. I've worked campaigns and we always had shirts for them, 'republican for so and so', and we welcomed them, and their courage to like our dem candidate better than their republican candidate. This is a good thing. To say Bernie is really a republican or Bernie is not really a democrat, is pulling a blanket over what is a very progressive record on his part. He is the real deal.

The Tsunami is coming......there is no dirt, just a good record on Sander's part. Why in a race would seasoned campaigners not welcome supporters from the other side?
Wait until 'republican's for Hillary' rolls out. Will we see boogieman posts again here?
Heads up, we can't win without them! Sanders OR Clinton.

[MannyGoldstein]

41. Even if your assertion's true... do you have a point? nt

[MaggieD]

49. Yes

I'm not voting for someone who gets 25% of his support from republicans.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/09/18/bernie_sanders_i_got_25_of_the_republican_vote_in_vermont.html

[PowerToThePeople]

55. Maybe those are the non-fascist Republicans?

Without more information, that stat is meaningless except to say that Bernie has broad appeal.

[MannyGoldstein]

73. So your claim is that Bernie's a right-wing nut?

[dpatbrown]

260. Since Sanders disgust you so much,

and have said you wouldn't vote for him, just so I understand where you are coming from, you would vote for Carson, Trump, or Cruz before you vote for Sanders in the general?

I find that when you are challenged about what you write, you simply double down, instead of owning what you say. I find the more I read your post, the more I'm convinced that you have trouble with honesty.

[MrMickeysMom]

311. You'll get no answers to these types of statements...

When honest campaigns result in the majority of voters turning out for Bernie Sanders and his message continues to resonate to more and more Americans, the people who cheerlead behind the MSM's silence on Sanders bring absolutely nothing to the political conversation. They just hate Sanders people, Sanders himself and they wish there were more of them to hate.

Pathetic, isn't it?

[dpatbrown]

378. Yes,pathetic

MrMickeysMom, I just can't understand how someone who refers to Sanders as the most dishonest politician ever to run for president, and also refers to him over and over again as disgusting, could ever vote for that person. That being said, that leaves her with Trump, Carson, or Cruz.

[cui bono]

399. That one is one of the infamous Clinton Cave members

They all go hate everything Bernie over there and plot on how to come back and disrupt. If you're not familiar with it all you can read about it at the links in this post:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=647936

One of them admitted in a pm that she is trolling DU. But she's still here.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/128075924#post5

[dpatbrown]

405. Thank you very much.

I will know better next time.

[MADem]

50. It's pretty clear she hit a bullseye. Here you are! nt

[Jarqui]

44. From the polls I've seen

Bernie does better than Clinton with Republicans. I think it has more to do with them hating Clinton while not disliking Bernie.

[Doctor_J]

54. how is this different from Hillary boasting of courting "moderate republicans" who agree with her

on TPP, for profit health insurance, drilling, fracking, permanent war, for profit prisons, welfare reform, and wall street rule - basically everything except abortion rights?

[bahrbearian]

56. Hillary = Republican Lite

She doesn't need to Pander.

[MaggieD]

59. But Bernie says rethugs support him

So it's him that must be republican lite, right?

[bahrbearian]

68. I don't like Bernie Pandering to Republicans.

It takes away from the years and years of Clinton's pandering. She thought of it
1st!

[MaggieD]

70. Hillary has NEVER pandered to rethugs

Bernie, on the other hand, panders to every group he can think of.

[bahrbearian]

77. Her Policy is driven buy repugs

Bomb this , bomb that ,arm these guys ,arm those guys , a coup here , a coup there. Now lets get tough on my banker friends wink, wink

[MannyGoldstein]

81. He wants to break up banks because they want to be broken up

Everyone knows that.

[beam me up scottie]

84. Yes Annie Oakley did. She ran a racist campaign in 2008.

Her God, guns and glory tour of the south was quite memorable.

[bahrbearian]

186. Yes he panders to all Americans , Hillary = Wall Street , MIC , and War Hawks.

[seabeyond]

63. Clinton in the top 15% liberal in congress.

[bahrbearian]

72. And Congress's approval is lower than Clinton's so that's not saying much.

[seabeyond]

82. Ok. That has nothing to do with accusations Clinton is repug lite when in fact, she is progressive.

[bahrbearian]

89. Only in your mind

[seabeyond]

102. No. Facts. Calling Clinton a repug lite would be in ones mind, without the facts. Research is good

[beam me up scottie]

119. Compared to Bernie she is Republican lite.

[seabeyond]

122. No, she is not. There is barely a difference.

[beam me up scottie]

133. Only to Hillary supporters, to liberal progressives there's a big difference.

[seabeyond]

153. Not true.

[beam me up scottie]

156. Of course it's true, why do you think 85% of DU prefers Bernie?

[seabeyond]

160. Why do you think Clinton has the nomination for the democratic party well in hand? Now, I am out of

here.

You get the last word on all our many, nonproductive conversations.

[beam me up scottie]

168. She doesn't, and if she wins that still won't make her a liberal progressive.

[BootinUp]

57. Whatever we call Obama's coalition, it worked in last 2 elections

and Hillary has already demonstrated she is reproducing the same coalition. Bernie is trying a different unproven approach and it does not appear to work as well so far.

[RichVRichV]

125. Every person I know who went for Obama is now going for Bernie.

I'm not sure how a coalition works in an election without the voters of the coalition. But I'm sure we'll figure it out.

[BootinUp]

129. I could go and grab a recent poll to prove my point, but I doubt

you are interested. Really, I do doubt it.

[RichVRichV]

144. Nah, I look at the polls.

Based on what I'm seeing, I expext Bernie to take Iowa and NH. Then the dominoes start falling if Hillary doesn't have a very strong win in North Carolina.

Polls are generally accurate for when they're sampled. But they're also very fickle things. It doesn't take much to dramatically alter them. That's why we talk about bounces from debates, gaffes, and world events.

[sheshe2]

304. Well you are wrong about me,

you are wrong about my family and you are wrong about my friends.

[RichVRichV]

310. You should stop by and say hi sometime since we know each other so well.

We'll reminisce.

The Obama vote is splitting whether you accept it or not. We're not all going for anyone. All the candidates will have to earn each votes. Don't count on any coalition or demographic's vote, go work for them.

[Autumn]

60. Better to have Republican support than to support Republicans

and help pass their nasty ass agenda.

[seabeyond]

66. Not if one has to throw a large part of the Democratic base under the bus to get Republican vote.

[beam me up scottie]

86. Who is doing that, and how? Explain.

[seabeyond]

97. Demanding, lol. And, no.

[beam me up scottie]

100. So you made it up. How predictable.

[seabeyond]

106. No. Sanders has repeatedly addressed Republicans telling them to put the wedge issues aside

[beam me up scottie]

112. No shit, so that they'll vote for Democrats. Obama did it too.

It's not rocket science.

[seabeyond]

117. No shit, lol. Yet, you argued thru out the subthread.

[beam me up scottie]

127. Because of your sleazy allegation that asking Republicans to vote Dem

means he doesn't care about liberal causes.

You are condemning Bernie for something all Democrats do.

Typical hypocrisy.

[seabeyond]

135. "Sleazy, condemn, hypocrite"? More personal attacks. I am using Sanders words, and I believe he

means what he says.

Yet, you continually say Clinton is a Republican when in fact she is in the top 15% most liberal in congress.

[beam me up scottie]

141. She's far to the right of Bernie, always has been. Denial doesn't change the facts.

All of the spin in the world won't put lipstick on a pig.

[seabeyond]

146. No. She is a tad to the right on some things. Sanders is to the right on other things.

They are both progressives. But do not call Sanders a liberal. He denies that allegations and insists he is not liberal.

[beam me up scottie]

150. Hillary called herself a moderate, that's not a progressive that's a weather vane.

Bernie is far to the left of Hillary, if he's not a liberal what does that make her?

[BootinUp]

157. Thats what LBJ called himself too.

Think about that.

[beam me up scottie]

162. I won't support a war hawk who only goes left when the polls indicate it will be beneficial.

Think about that.

[BootinUp]

164. The point is that labels are often used for poilitical purposes

just like you trying to label Hillary.

[Doctor_J]

98. she must mean Hillary

Who's admitted to not wanting support from liberals

[beam me up scottie]

104. Well Hillary does represent the right wing of the party.

[Autumn]

151. What has Bernie done to throw a large part of the Democratic base

under the bus to get Republican votes? Other than run for president against Hillary who helped republican Bush implement his agenda against a sovereign nation that had nothing to do with 9/11. That war caused untold death and destruction and helped create ISIS.

[seabeyond]

154. Setting social justice issues to the side, defining them as wedge issues to get a Republican vote.

[Autumn]

159. You keep pushing he has set social justice issues to the side.

. Anyone who has paid attention knows better.

[seabeyond]

165. Sanders himself has said those words, more than once, when trying to get Republican votes. Please,

do not call me a liar, especially when you are not acknowledging Sanders own words.

Time to cook for loved ones, .... a day of thankfulness. Today, I am thankful that we will inevitably vote Democratic and have our first woman president of the United States, of America.

Happy Turkey Day to you, too.

[Autumn]

177. I'll wait for the link to Sanders himself saying he is setting aside

social justice issues and in the spirit of the holiday I will edit out my sentence "that it's a lie" in my other post that on the chance you post that link to him saying he is

setting aside social justice issues

. He has never said that. Never

[beam me up scottie]

179. He never set them aside, he asked Republicans to set them aside and vote Democratic.

That is why claiming he set them aside is a lie.

[cui bono]

400. Perfectly said.

The OP makes the 'mistake' of 'thinking' that because Sanders is getting R votes that he will enact R policy. Nothing could be further from the truth.

He is attracting R's because of his stance against the 1%, for one. It is a false assumption that the non-politician average citizen R's are in favor of Wall Street and anything they want.

And because they can feel his authenticity. He's the real deal, not just a pandering politician like most others running in BOTH parties. He's a breath of fresh air and really stands apart from everyone else running.

[Thinkingabout]

64. Sanders would do or say anything to get votes, from anyone. He would welcome Trumps support.

[MaggieD]

69. Indeed

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

78. LOL. Project much?

[Doctor_J]

111. really? who'$ evolved or triangulating on gay marriage, TPP, for profit prisons,

Universal healthcare, welfare reform, banking reform, immigration, and the Iraq war?

[Thinkingabout]

237. The subject was Trump support.

[Doctor_J]

262. The subject was your subject line that Sanders will say anything to get elected

While your candidate has switched everything, including her accent, over the last couple of years. She is completely without a soul.

[840high]

245. I think you meant Clinton who

panders to everyone.

[Thinkingabout]

255. Nope, it is Sanders.

[Jim Lane]

320. Trump has ACTUALLY supported Clinton in the past.

So, when it comes to her, we have no need to spin improbable hypotheticals.

[Thinkingabout]

403. She happens to be a good candidate and Trump recognizes her abilities.

[cui bono]

401. Links to this behavior? You must have proof of him changing positions just to please people.

Thanks!

[enid602]

65. timing

Hmmm . . . Crazy Republican just voted Governor in Kentucky. Right-leaning Dem in Louisiana. 1%-er just voted President in Argentina. Chavistas on the defense as elections in Venezuela elections loom. Hard right and Xenophobia on the rise in Europe. Yep, looks like a good time to float socialism in the US.

[beam me up scottie]

75. One candidate is cozy with Republicans and it's not Bernie:

[wilsonbooks]

107. Bingo!

[Baitball Blogger]

76. Hillary Clinton. She's always talking about reaching across the aisle.

[treestar]

139. Looks like Bernie is, too.

[Baitball Blogger]

197. There will be a difference, in my opinion.

We know what Bernie's platform is. It's progressive. We just need to push him a little more leftward on gun control. If the Republicans are attracted to his message, then they are attracted to a progressive platform.

We don't know about Hillary. Not even Wall Street believes her populist promises.

[emulatorloo]

79. There are a number of Republicans who are sick of GOP extremism.

That is who will vote for Bernie. I know a couple IRL who voted for Obama in 2012 because they did not want teabag control.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

87. Yes. And, frankly, I see nothing wrong with trying to "convert"

disaffected Republicans who aren't happy with their current slate of dingbats and haters. http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/11/the-lifelong-conservatives-who-love-bernie-sanders/417441/

The whole point of elections is trying to get people to vote for you. If Bernie is able to turn some Republicans into Democrats, more power to him.

[Politicalboi]

91. Just quit it already

Bernie IS a Dem. Bernie was NEVER a Repuke like Hillary was back in the day. And if more Repukes like Bernie he stands a BETTER chance of winning than Hillary. Bernie appeals to Repukes that see their own party is in the nut house.

[seabeyond]

113. When Clinton was 16 and too young to vote? Sanders has not been a Dem until the last week or so.

Ya. Stop it, lol.

[SwampG8r]

317. She was president of college republicans at wellsey

Thats a bit more than 16
More like 20
Wiki confirms her presidency of the club
If we are lucky its the only presidency she will ever win.

[Doctor_J]

120. I can't believe she's been out of the penalty box for this long

Although the juries have been skewing noticeably toward hillarians lately

[Depaysement]

108. Creating more Democrats

The horror!

[Agnosticsherbet]

142. Sanders will have no crossover appeal in Congress.

No Democrat will.

[2pooped2pop]

143. just saying that his policies are so good that EVERYONE likes them.

Cept Hillary Supporters.

[SoapBox]

169. Exactly.

I find it terrifying when there are acid tests about who is the most "party"...that's RePuke kind of shit.

[NurseJackie]

175. OH GOOD GOD! :-/

[Scootaloo]

181. Does the hatred you carry ever make you tired, MaggieD?

I used to waste time hating people, hating things, and it was exhausting. It felt like I was aging twice as fast, living half as much, and impossible to find any semblance of happiness. I wish I could pinpoint one thing, one moment that made me stop hating... i can't do that, I guess it was gradual. But I stopped, and I feel so much better.

Even if you can't stop - and I guess some people can't - maybe you could smoke a bowl and fake it for a while? It's thanksgiving. Shrug the hatred off your shoulders, have some turkey, play a video game or something. That weight will be there waiting for you to pick it back up if you want to, but take the day off.

[BootinUp]

202. Nice personal attack. nt

[Scootaloo]

204. Not at all. It's advice.

[BootinUp]

207. Of course, Justify it however you need to. nt

[Scootaloo]

217. I'm sorry your alert didn't work. Here, maybe this will make you feel better:

v

[BootinUp]

218. No worries, thats why I went ahead and let you know directly.

Feel free to carry on with more of the same as you feel the need to.

[Scootaloo]

225. Plan to, thanks. Have some more puppy, as a parting gift

[BootinUp]

227. Happy to point it out. nt

[Douglas Carpenter]

314. Is that a Japanese Spitz or a Samoyed?

[Scootaloo]

315. Samoyed, looks like

[Douglas Carpenter]

318. Japanese Spitz look almost the same as Samoyed's - just smaller

[Scootaloo]

319. Samoyed are a little more robust in proportion

[karynnj]

185. try Clinton 2008 - many articles where she bragged

About her ties to Republicans, including stories of sharing Vodka in Russia with John McCain.

[NurseJackie]

188. There's NO WAY that I could trust him now.

He'll say and do anything to be nominated! Just like any other politician! All frauds, trying to save their jobs ... in it for themselves and the power.

[beam me up scottie]

190. Lol! But you TRUST Hillary Clinton the WEATHER VANE.

Because more of the same will be different this time!

She promises!

[NurseJackie]

200. Looks like Bernie is the weathervane now.

He can't be trusted.

[beam me up scottie]

203. How? By doing what Obama did and asking Republicans to vote Democratic? The POUTRAGE!

[NurseJackie]

223. It's clear to me why he's so far BEHIND and why hardly anyone endorses him. THEY CAN'T TRUST HIM!!!

[beam me up scottie]

228. Trump is leading in the polls too.

[beam me up scottie]

235. You think that bigot is HONEST after he lied about Mexicans and Muslims?

Wow, that says it all about you.

No wonder you support Hillary.

[NurseJackie]

239. Bernie is worse in my opinion. (Good thing I won't have to vote for either one, eh?)

I was considering Bernie, but his short fuse and anger worry me. I wouldn't feel safe.

[beam me up scottie]

241. If you trust that bigot and think he's honest it's no wonder you don't trust someone like Bernie.

Best to stick with Hillary.

After her racist campaign in 2008 I understand why she appeals to people who trust Trump.

[beam me up scottie]

250. Sounds like something a Trump supporter would say.

[NurseJackie]

259. Ha!! :-D

And that sounds like something that the supporter of the losing candidate would say. With such LOW poll numbers and so few endorsements, I guess it's easy for Bernie supporters to get a little frightened and paranoid.

Go Hillary!

[beam me up scottie]

268. You trust a man who wants Muslims to wear identity badges, like Jews in Nazi Germany.

Instead of a man who opposes it in part because his father's family was wiped out in the Holocaust.

What does that say about your judgment?

[AgingAmerican]

341. So you support Trump?

You think Trump is a solid candidate? You are a mess. Zero integrity. Zero.

[AgingAmerican]

340. The more they talk, the more they expose themselves

As not being Democrats.

[beam me up scottie]

342. Makes you wonder if they're not telling us the real reason why they don't trust Bernie.

And it has nothing to do with his politics.

[AgingAmerican]

339. So you would vote for Trump?

You are not a Democrat by any measure.

[polly7]

344. Are you serious? Trump is honest?

Amazing to see this, I doubt even his most fervent supporters believe that.

[cherokeeprogressive]

296. You just described Hillary Clinton to a T!

[NurseJackie]

299. LOL

[cui bono]

402. Because of an OP on DU that's a complete fabrication written by a Clinton Caver?

Way to be informed and think for yourself. You go girl!!!

[tk2kewl]

195. The politics of devision is a favorite tool of the PTB

[beam me up scottie]

213. Makes you wonder why the op always seeks to divide.

I have a hard time believing some of these people are liberals.

There's been too many right wing talking points around here lately for me.

[sheshe2]

305. Lol~

RWTP yes I have seen many of those links. They aren't coming from HRC supporters. Just sayin'.

[beam me up scottie]

316. They sure as fuck are coming from your side.

Saber rattling, boots on the ground in Syria, defense of for profit medical systems, hysteria over $1.40 price tag for paid leave for new moms, red baiting, etc.

Right here in this thread one of your associates said Trump is more trustworthy than Bernie, for fucks sake.

I swear some days I think I'm on Free Republic.

[gordyfl]

208. Independent Turned Democrat

I'm a registered Independent, who will be registering this year as a Democrat so I can vote for Bernie Sanders in the Primary. Is there a problem with that?

[zalinda]

221. I did the very same thing

and they can thank their lucky stars that Bernie decided to go dem. He could have run as an Independent and skipped the primary altogether. That gives Hillary a chance and keeps the dem party viable. If Bernie would have run as an indie, he could have basically destroyed the dem party or given the Presidency to the repubs.

I really can't understand all this, he isn't a dem nonsense. He's more of a real Democrat than Hillary will ever be, and he didn't have to evolve to get there.

Z

[Vinca]

231. Republicans are in an real fix this year.

Their candidates are nuttier than fruitcakes so the semi-sane Republicans will be voting Democratic - either Bernie or Hillary. Bernie has always appealed to Republicans in Vermont because he is a fair person who is willing to listen. He is also one of the biggest supporters of veterans and gets things done that benefit them . . . and many vets are Republicans. Bernie might be an Independent, but there is another thing that sets him apart from Hillary. He has never been a Republican.

[NurseJackie]

232. So what is he now? A Republicrat? A Demoblican? The majority of Dems don't support him, so

... he's chasing after Republican votes. HOW DESPERATE HE MUST BE!

Can you imagine if Hillary had suggested such a thing? OMG! It hysterics from Bernie's fans would be NON-STOP! You know it's true!

Where are his loyalties? Which side is he on? There's your weather vane! How can I trust him now?

Bernie is just like any other politician who wants fame and power. THIS is the man that people want to trust? He'll have his proverbial "finger on the button".

Nuclear war frightens me.

[beam me up scottie]

236. I guess you said the same thing about Obama then:

“There were Reagan Democrats. So what I said is we need to tap into the discontent of Republicans. I want some Obama Republicans. I want ‘Obamacans."

- Barack Obama

Of course you just called that bigot Trump "honest" and said you trust him so nothing you say will surprise me.

[NurseJackie]

240. He's not running for office. Its too late to care or matter.

I don't trust Bernie. He's not trustworthy in my opinion. He's too angry and I wouldn't feel safe with him "in charge".

[beam me up scottie]

243. You already admitted you trust Trump and think he's honest, what more is there to say?

[NurseJackie]

246. He's just as bad in my opinion.

[beam me up scottie]

248. Sure, because a man with a stellar civil rights record is no different than a racist.

At least according to Hillary/Trump supporters.

Nice job outing yourself, btw.

[NurseJackie]

251. I'm not a lesbian.

[beam me up scottie]

252. That's nice, but you do trust Trump and think he's honest.

Good luck living that one down.

[NurseJackie]

254. He's a better choice than Bernie.

I stand by that!

[beam me up scottie]

256. You'll vote for Trump then, since you're such a fan?

[NurseJackie]

257. I won't have to. Hillary will win the nomination AND the election.

Bernie has shown how untrustworthy he is, and apparently how desperate he is as well.

[Lordquinton]

300. But what will you do when Bernie gets the nomination?

Just humor us all for a second.

[beam me up scottie]

269. Trump wants Muslims to wear identity badges and you still trust him.

[TSIAS]

270. Trump is honest

He's honest that he's a fascist and actually is racist. It's only in Clinton fantasy world that Sanders is the racist. Trump supports roughing up minorities. So far I haven't seen that from Sanders.

You're just as bad as the people you detest saying they'd stay home rather than vote for HRC.

[gordyfl]

276. Sorry, I don"t trust Hillary

I trust a tuna sandwich left on a city bus more than I trust Hillary.

[beam me up scottie]

264. Aw, too bad alerter, you're on a timeout, JURY RESULTS:

On Thu Nov 26, 2015, 12:29 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Sure, because a man with a stellar civil rights record is no different than a racist.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=852194

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Publicly accusing someone of being a troll (no matter how cleverly done) makes DU an unpleasant place for everyone and that is why it is not allowed. Trolls are handled by the admins, mods, and MIRT -- not by accusations and public opinion.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Nov 26, 2015, 12:36 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Maybe take a day off for the holiday?
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: HEY BMUS!!! Alert trolls--don't you all have something better to do, like cook giblets or just be NICE one day of the year? I do not agree with the alerter. -- Fellow member of VNN :wave:
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Not a chance, bud. You cooked it. You eat it.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: ANYONE who trusts Trump over Sanders really doesn't belong here, and it ought not be against the TOS to say so.

Better luck next time.

[cherokeeprogressive]

274. He's a fucking WINNER.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

[NurseJackie]

277. Actually ... He's losing!

Swearing tells me you're not at all confident of your declaration, so you substitute aggression to replace facts. You're not convincing me ... maybe you're trying to convince yourself?

[cherokeeprogressive]

284. The game hasn't even started yet, haven't you been paying attention?

[NurseJackie]

286. Of course it has. What a silly thing to say.

No wonder Bernie is losing.

[cherokeeprogressive]

287. It has? How many primaries has She won?

The only delegates she has are those who aren't subject to direct democracy.

[NurseJackie]

293. Hold on to whatever gives you comfort.

[cherokeeprogressive]

294. Plan on it.

Better than swingin' on a weather vane.

[NurseJackie]

295. Fantasies usually are.

[MisterP]

242. better than bragging about Republican policies

if you're gonna say Sanders is a DINO you'll have to do better than "he's TOO popular to be the liberal candidate"

[liberalnarb]

247. Oh yeah, I forgot to ask

Do you have any examples of Bernie bragging about repug support? Because I don't remember him bragging about having the support of the repugs of all people. Bernie doesn't usually speak of the republicans very highly...

[NorthCarolina]

261. If he can pull those that we constantly accuse of voting against their best interests into the fold

by breaking the cycle of voting solely based on hate and fear, then I for one say more power to him.

[GitRDun]

263. I can't go with you on this one...

The President himself once said we're not red states and blue states, we're the United States.

Sanders social policies are certainly not main stream Republican.

I read an article you posted about him bragging about 25% of support from Republicans.

His state has a lot of Republicans in it. Practically speaking he would need a fair amount of Republicans support just to get elected. I don't think that in and of itself is a disqualifier.

I think what he notes as a kind of across the aisle appeal you are taking the wrong way.

It's fine if you choose to loathe him. I can't go with you and say this issue in particular is a good reason...

[Live and Learn]

265. I thought you were upset that he couldn't get Republican support?

Now you are upset that he does get there support? It is all a bit confusing.

[merrily]

266. In 2008--the most recent contested Democratic primary, Obama's camp bragged about "Obamacans."

So, your political memory seems quite deficient.

Yeah, heaven forbid a Democrat be able to take votes from Republican Presidential candidates for a change, instead of the other way around; e.g., "Nixon Democrats," "Reagan Democrats" and "Bush Democrats" (more numerous in Florida in 2000 than Nader voters). What a tragedy that would be--for Republicans.

Oh, and technically, Bernie is a Democrat, but you knew that. Y'all need to stop the pretense that anyone but a Democrat can run in the Democratic Presidential primary. Makes y'all look really silly to claim that.

[McCamy Taylor]

275. If he means they will cross over in the primary to nominate him, this is not good.

For obvious reasons.

[grahamhgreen]

278. You got no policy positions listed!!! What policies do you have an issue with? He appeals to

Republicans in that most Americans agree with increasing social security, and guranteed healthcare, and the like.

[LiberalAndProud]

279. It's not so hard getting a Republican to listen to Bernie's message.

When I can say there is one candidate who dares to talk about breaking down too big to fail into not so much ... it's not hard.

We disagree about many things, but we all know we're being played.

[gordyfl]

288. Robert Reich Thanksgiving Message...

Robert Reich, who served in the Clinton White House, has a Thanksgiving message. Notice #6. Where's Hillary?

On this Thanksgiving, here are the 10 things I’m most grateful for:

1. Wonderful family and friends.

2. My dad, who's still going strong (if he makes it, he’ll be 102 in February)

3. My health and health of my loved ones.

4. The kind and generous people I meet in my travels around America.

5. My fabulous students (in my 35 years of university teaching I haven’t encountered a generation of 18 to 25-year-olds as idealistic and as dedicated to the public good as this one).

6. Bernie Sanders.

7. The indefatigable, tenacious, and tireless advocates and organizers for equal opportunity, against voter suppression, for a $15-an-hour minimum wage, for Black Lives Matter, and for a more just society.

8. Teachers, who despite low pay and often impossible odds, continue to do one of the most important jobs in America.

9. Barack Obama.

10. Optimists.

[Blue_In_AK]

291. Personally, I would much rather see Republicans vote for Bernie

than Donald Trump.

[polly7]

292. I don't undestand, up here we're happy to have conservatives switch over to

vote NDP or Liberal. What exactly are your concerns? Seriously ..... I don't get it.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

298. Bernie appeals across the political spectrum

In the general a candidate hopes to pull in all sorts of voters including independents.

[Douglas Carpenter]

301. well yes, even in rural Vermont he frequently carries predominently Republican districts by wide

margins in the General Elections.

Wouldn't it be terrible if he did this on the national level come this November? There is nothing worse than convincing people to vote their own interest.

[orpupilofnature57]

303. + 10000!!!!!!

[orpupilofnature57]

302. It's not Bragging it's true, disallusion Republicans will vote for him, their Contempt for Hillary

launched Citizens United, it's an art form among Republicans to hate her . Facts are facts but the bullshit baggers and neo-cons would put her through would be historic .

[senz]

307. They like him mainly because he's honest, authentic and courageous.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/11/the-lifelong-conservatives-who-love-bernie-sanders/417441/

These Republicans for Sanders defy neat categorization. Some are fed up with the status quo in Washington, and believe that Sanders, with his fiery populist message, is the presidential contender most likely to disrupt it. Others have voted Republican for years, but feel alarmed by what they see as the sharp right turn the party has taken.

In some cases, longtime Republican voters who have decided to support Sanders, like MacMillan, are rethinking their political affiliation entirely. (“I’m inclined to say I might stay with the Democratic Party because the Republican Party has changed and it’s not the way it used to be,” MacMillan says.)

“When I think of true conservative values I think of Teddy Roosevelt who earned a reputation as a trust-buster,” says Jeff DeFelice, a 38-year-old registered Republican voter living in Florida. “Now look at Bernie. He’s the only one willing to stand up to the big banks. The big banks control an obscene amount of wealth in this country and he wants to go after them.” If Sanders looks like “a viable candidate” by the time the primary rolls around, DeFelice says he’ll switch his party affiliation to vote for the senator.

“I’m not 100 percent behind his platform but I like him as a person. For me it really comes down to authenticity,” says Edwards. “We’ve seen so much deadlock in Congress and I think people are looking for someone who can be passionate and authentic rather than being partisan.”

[Jim Lane]

323. This reminds me of when Bernie agreed to speak at Liberty University.

Remember how the Clinton supporters went nuts over that? He's agreed to pander to Republicans! They made it sound as if he'd be calling for abstinence-only sex education, overturning Roe v. Wade, repealing the Civil Rights Act, and adding a Defense of Marriage Amendment to the Constitution. (After all, everyone, at least everyone in the Clinton camp, knows how bad Sanders is on social issues.)

Of course, nothing of the kind happened. Sanders went to Liberty University and forthrightly spoke out for traditional Democratic values. AFAIK, he didn't move one millimeter to his right to try to attract Republicans. He didn't even suggest a "warm, purple place" as a goal. Nevertheless, the reports are that he impressed many of those in attendance. Some even said they'd consider voting for him.

After the Liberty University speech, the Clinton supporters pretty much moved on to other lines of attack.

Part of what's happening is that a lot of longtime Republicans agree with Sanders about subjects like the excessive influence of big business and the greed of the 1%. Another part of what's happening is that a lot of people vote less on ideology and more on perceived personal characteristics. A self-described conservative might prefer a lifelong democratic socialist over a nominal Democrat who's said she's a progressive, then a moderate, then a progressive -- or even over a Republican like Rubio who supports immigration reform and then denounces his own bill when he finds it unpopular.

[beam me up scottie]

324. Yep, I remember that well.

Today in another thread one poster complained about how DREADFUL it is that Bernie wants undecided/Republican voters to vote for him and then went on to say how wonderful it was that Republican women will turn out to vote for Hillary.

The double standard is unbelievable.

[artislife]

327. I just love the spanking this stupid OP got. Pure gold. nt

[beam me up scottie]

330. Me too!

Usually I ignore the flamebait from this one but today's smackdown was epic and well worth the price of admission.

[artislife]

331. Dang!

You had me dying at this post:
It's not a magic spell, saying it 3 times doesn't negate the fact she's far to the right of Bernie.


That has to be exalted...too fucking funny!

[beam me up scottie]

332. Thanks!

Hope you had a good Thanksgiving, I had to skip dinner at my s/o's brother's house, too many right wing bigots. When it's at his mom's I go because she and her husband are good liberal Dems but his brothers are a different story. I could not bear to listen to them this year. Especially since my s/o's son's fiance is a Muslim whose family immigrated here from Syria. I know I would have lost it.

[artislife]

333. I would have lost it too!

I got locked out of an apartment with no fob to get out of the underground parking, but a nice man took me down the elevators and drove his car and opened the two gates to get out. There were no concierge because of the holidays. I have been staying there because my client broke her leg and is in a wheel chair. She left for two days to spend with her daughter. Ugg..but I was on my way to another house to pet sit. Thankfully, I had those keys on me!

After all that, I went to friends bringing caramel salt gelato, pistacchio gelato and lemon gelato for dessert. Great turkey, stuffing and veg. Good friends.

No politics at all and better yet, no football!


May you enjoy the upcoming holidays with people who remember it is a season of peace!

[beam me up scottie]

334. Mmmmmmmmmmmm...gelato.

Tried it when I went to Europe and almost died from pleasure. I make my own now.

Peace to you and yours as well.

[artislife]

335. They were new converts! See you, my friend. nt.

[coyote]

329. He should be bragging

the Democrat party has been hijacked by corporate and bank interests. The Republican Party has been hijacked by conservative crazy politicians (think tea party). People want a common sense approach to fixing problems and that is why Bernie's message resonates on both sides of the isle.

You make it sound like this is a bad thing. I don't understand the point of view of this OP except to slander Bernie. However, I can always filter what these threads Are about by one look at the user name.

[darkangel218]

337. I cant wait to see your reaction when Bernie is going to win the nomination

I really can't wait!!!

[Betty Karlson]

338. It shows his cross-over appeal - and thus electability in the GE.

When the argument is made "Clinton is far from perfect, but at least she can win the GE" the best possible counterargument is "Republicans are likely to switch parties for me. Can Clinton say the same?"

Quit whining.

[Renew Deal]

343. Republicans want to create chaos in the Democratic party

And that alone counts for at least some of Sanders support. It's the same thing Dema did by voting for Santorum or Gingrich against Romney in the 2012 republican primary.

Sanders doesn't care about the motives of his voters. He just wants to win. But people shouldn't deny that some mischief is part of Sanders support.

[aikoaiko]

350. Democrats used to want to attract the people in other parties.

It's about leading Americans and not just Democrats.

[Hiraeth]

358. Mentioning/reaching out are now synonyms for bragging/touting? News to me. Thanks!

[gordyfl]

362. Bernie Gets Support from a Wide Range of Voters.

I remember reading that in Vermont people who voted for Reagan also voted for Bernie.

[Gothmog]

363. The National Review has been urging GOP to support Sanders because he would be weaker candidate

The idiots at the National Review are now urging conservatives to support Bernie Sanders http://www.nationalreview.com/article/420262/bernie-sanders-republicans-myra-adams

Support Bernie Sanders!

This is a call to action for every Republican anxious to win back the White House in 2016. Bernie Sanders, the socialist U.S. senator from Vermont, is now surging in his quest to win the 2016 Democratic presidential nomination. He is attracting media attention and large crowds, and is invigorated by a New Hampshire–primary poll showing him only 10 points behind frontrunner Hillary Clinton.

After a GOP power player sent me a piece from left-leaning Salon headlined “Hillary Clinton is going to lose: She doesn’t even see the frustrated progressive wave that will nominate Bernie Sanders,” my heart went pitter-patter, beginning to sense an opportunity. But it was not until I saw a headline in The Hill warning that the “Sanders surge is becoming a bigger problem for Clinton,” accompanied by “It may be time for Hillary Clinton to take the challenge from Sen. Bernie Sanders more seriously,” that I was truly motivated to join Team Bernie and rally my fellow Republicans to do the same.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/420262/bernie-sanders-republicans-myra-adams

The GOP is urging people to support sanders because the conservatives know that they can not beat Hillary Clinton. The author of this article actually made a contribution to Sanders.

[BootinUp]

366. imagine that nt

[cascadiance]

372. Hmm... Ann Coulter is not interested in the GOP winning? She seems to take issue with this...

... line of thought.

http://downwithtyranny.blogspot.com/2015/08/ann-coulter-clintons-one-we-want-to-run.html

[Gothmog]

404. Poor Ann Coulter is just trying to get attention

You are one of the few people attention to Coulter

[cascadiance]

407. And those GOP sources you are quoting aren't also looking to get attention?

A bigger question is whether big money people care more on whether Hillary wins or a Republican wins, when both of those entities are taking their bribe money! OR, are they more worried that someone like Bernie not taking their bribe money gets nominated and beats the clown scare car Republican joke candidate so that they don't own the leader the way they have for the last few decades to screw us all over during that time period.

They know that once again we'll get someone that will take on the "economic royalists" the way that the REAL Democrat FDR did in his time to fix the depression of that day that needs also fixing today.

Coulter is more worried about a Republican not winning. Your sources are more worried about big money not winning the election. That's why they are sending out different messages.

[Capt. Obvious]

377. Obama

You're welcome

[Stellar]

384. I remember hearing or reading about Obama saying...

that people would come up to him and whisper in his ear that they are Republicans, in which was later called Obamacans.
ETA: and that they were voting for him.

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http://www.cafepress.ca/+obamacan+buttons

[Cheese Sandwich]

411. Reminds me of when they called Obama a Kenyan Muslim Communist Hitler...

Bernie is too Librul, too conservative, too socialist, too right wing...

Can't you guys get your talking points straight? It's becoming an embarrassment.

[BainsBane]

413. Not only that, he insists his supporters aren't "registered Democrats"

but instead "real people." Apparently registering as a Democrat somehow makes people less than real.