Today's BernieBash™ meme: "Bernie is a war-mongering right-wing loon..."

[MannyGoldstein]

"Bernie is a war-mongering right-wing loon, who panders to everyone"

What next? He used to be FLOTUS?

[Cali_Democrat]

1. Who said "Bernie is a war-mongering right-wing loon"?

Surely you can back up your quote with a link.

[MineralMan]

4. Here's a link:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251851868

You'll find the answer there.

[BootinUp]

21. ROFL

[yallerdawg]

22. Yep!

There it is!

[Hekate]

27. Yep, that would be the link all right. Somebody is trying extra-hard this holiday season.

Soooo hard.

[cheapdate]

78. Good one! Sometimes the answer is right in front of you.

[MannyGoldstein]

6. E.g.,...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=851667

[Cali_Democrat]

7. Not seeing the quote at your link

In fact, I see no mention of war.

You wouldn't be lying, would you?

[MannyGoldstein]

9. LOL! If you don't see those in that thread,

then discussion is pointless.

[Rose Siding]

11. It's a call-out on a specific poster.

We used to not do that. I liked that better.

Of course to claim that is a "meme" is ridiculous, but saying it is will stoke the flames and that's the point, I guess

[MADem]

12. He's been trying real hard, lately with the cough "satire" cough posts.

I think the schtick is overused.

Or it could be--like with this effort--that the material is just not very good.

You know what I just thought about?

Vanilla Ice was really cool for a brief and shining moment...and then he wasn't. He packed 'em in at massive concerts, and then he couldn't fill the corner bar in his own neighborhood.

Not sure why that came to mind, but I'll bet there's a relationship there, somewhere, somehow.

[MannyGoldstein]

13. A has-been, no doubt.

[MADem]

16. You know best, I'm sure!

[beam me up scottie]

17. Almost 200 recs for that thread, nothing says failure like the top of the greatest!

[DisgustipatedinCA]

43. For clarity, Vanilla Ice was never cool, not even for one brief shining moment.

But it's good to get this insight from you.

[PatrickforO]

76. You are falling for some satire, there Cali.

Manny's become a giant Onion...

[pnwmom]

28. Thanks. In other words, Bernie himself is claiming that he can get Rethug votes.

Well, some of us think that's fine and others don't.

[Lancero]

32. In other words, some people want partisanship, and its effects, to continue...

And some people what to bring politics back to the old days, where despite ideological differences both sides were willing to work together in a attempt to better the nation.

I agree with you - Some of us think that's fine, and others don't.

Still though, if he can make some Republicans open their eyes to how much the party is screwing them, and get them to embrace more Democratic values - Be they moderate or progressive - wouldn't that be a good thing? Fewer Republican voters, more Democratic voters. I consider getting more Democratic voters to be a fine thing, but I suppose that others here don't.

[pnwmom]

40. Uh-huh. And is that what you say when Hillary supporters

suggest that millions of Republican women, especially the older women who have waited for this all their lives, might cross party lines to vote for the former Senator and Secretary of State? Who was one of the most liberal members of the Senate when she was there, despite what some people here think.

ontheissues.org

[Lancero]

41. If a Democratic canidate can convince R voters to change parties...

I'd think that'd be a fine thing, unlike others who think more Republican voters is great. I might disagree with their choice of candidate ofc, but I'll - unlike many in this thread - admit that more Democratic voters is a good thing.

Still though, I find it funny that people try to claim the moral high ground for supporting Hillary's attempts to outreach to Republican women when they just before labeled them as thugs.

[pnwmom]

42. I think millions of Republican-heritage women have been left behind

by the party they grew up with, and might realize this if HRC were the nominee.

And I distinguish between the thugs who run the party and many of the voters who joined a very different party decades ago.

[Bluenorthwest]

37. Barack Obama, primary candidate:

"We, as Democrats right now, should tap into the discontent of Republicans. I want some Obama Republicans!"

"We are bringing together Democrats and independents, and yes, some Republicans. I know there's—I meet them when I'm shaking hands afterwards. There's one right there. An Obamacan, that's what we call them."

[Armstead]

82. sssshhhhhhhh...History doesn't matter ./nt

[merrily]

44. Luring Republicans into voting for a Democrat instead of for a Republican would be a real tragedy

for the Democratic Party. We certainly would not want to lessen the chances of a Republican winning!




What in hell is wrong with some of you?

[beam me up scottie]

45. And then she goes on to say it would be great if they voted for Hillary.

As long as they're women I guess it's different.

[merrily]

46. Gack! How dare you address such a sexist remark to me? Why, I ougghta....

[beam me up scottie]

47. Gack! Gack! Ack! Ack!

Martian to English translation:

If Republican men vote for Bernie: Bad!

If Republican women vote for Hillary: Good!

Makes perfect sense!

[merrily]

48. I have always admired a woman who knows how to accessorize!

[beam me up scottie]

50. She was a babe!

Loved everything about that movie.

[merrily]

59. LOL. See Reply 55.

[beam me up scottie]

65. OMG. Absolutely NO sense of self awareness.

Too funny, maybe she thinks Republican women's votes really are different.

[merrily]

66. Apparently just could not stand to admit that Bernie's getting Republican votes might

not be the worst thing in the world for Democrats, after all. So out came the scattershot.

I'm pretty sure that, contrary to some reports, I've never once posted that it would be awful if Hillary got the votes of Republican women because I've been posting that I don't think she'll get Republican votes, let alone posted it countless times. smh

[beam me up scottie]

67. That person once called Bernie an "NRA tool".

So if you're expecting intellectual honesty I wouldn't hold your breath.

[merrily]

69. Appreciate the heads up, but she and I have danced many times before.

[beam me up scottie]

70. You too? Then you know how it always ends. :)

[merrily]

72. With my being grateful it ended. That's my experience, anyway.

Okay, got to go. I never meant to get started on this thread, anyway. Not sufficiently blessed and celebratory, LOL.

See you again another time.

[beam me up scottie]

73. Sometimes it's worth pointing out the hypocrisy for the audience.

Most of the time it's not. Like Barney Frank said it's like arguing with a dining room table.

Have a good one, merrily!

[merrily]

74. Thanks! You as well.

You know, there's a lot to be said for dining tables. For one thing, they very rarely claim to be couches. For another, I've never seen one flailing. For a third, they almost never go ad hom within 0 to 3 posts. But, I digress.....

Have fun.

[pnwmom]

55. "What the hell is wrong with some of you?"

What's wrong with luring Republican women -- millions of whom have been left behind by a party that has lurched to the far right -- to voting for a Democrat named Hillary Clinton instead of a Republican?

[merrily]

56. Straw man. I never said anything was wrong with that. You, however, did say that some

would think it a bad thing if Sanders lured Republicans to vote for him. Hmm. Maybe that makes it a straw man and a false equivalency. I'll have to think about that. But, your post contains at least one logical fallacy, that's for sure. Often happens when someone raises an issue, gets a response to the very point they raised, then wants to change the subject, maybe because the response was not what they expected.

[pnwmom]

57. You've said the equivalent of that countless times. If Hillary's supporters were bragging

about how she could get Republicans to vote for her, you'd be instantly saying something disparaging about Hillary.

[merrily]

58. Links? Also, how about keeping each thread to itself?

I'm supposed to answer for everything I've ever posted on any thread you choose simply because you feel like raising something you claim a I posted in the past? Wowza.

If Hillary's supporters were bragging about how she could get Republicans to vote for her, you'd be instantly saying something disparaging about Hillary.

And now you have a crystal ball, too?

BTW, I believe it was Hillary's supporters, including you, who were disparaging Bernie because he allegedly claimed Republicans would vote for him. I responded to your implication that some Democrats might not like that and we're were off and running in 10 different directions at once. Nice way to turn around what you and MaggieD were doing to Bernie, though!

It never ends.

[treestar]

84. This ^^^^^^^

good grief!

[treestar]

83. geez if Hillary did that it would be

"pandering to Republicans by taking conservative positions on issues."

[merrily]

85. In your imagination, perhaps. In reality, though, I have been posting for the better part of a year

that one of the reasons I don't want Hillary to be the nominee is that I don't think she can get Republican votes in the general, which the Democratic nominee may end up needing. Hope that helps.

[pnwmom]

87. What the Democrat will need to do is hold the Democratic coalition together,

which includes women, African Americans, and Latinos. Clinton does better than Sanders in all three groups.

[merrily]

88. First, how about something to back up your claim that I posted something "countless

times?" Because my recollection is that I never posted any such thing even once, let alone countless times.

Second, as far as Hillary holding the Democratic coalition together, LOL. People on this board have proven she is not going to be able to hold it together. It gets posted by both sides daily, Hillary supporters claiming the left will abandon Hillary, demanding loyalty oaths, etc. and many on DU's left swearing they would rather become human ant hills than vote for Hillary.

On the other hand, the groups you mention are highly unlikely to abandon any Democratic nominee. So, your post made a great case for nominating Bernie. I appreciate it. Please keep that kind of post coming.

[pnwmom]

89. How about not changing the subject back to an old argument?

People on DU have not proven anything except that it is possible to drive HRC supporters away from DU.

[merrily]

90. LOL! The argument you made to me in Reply 57 apparently got old even faster

than your other claims. I can understand why you try to change the subject whenever you get a reply that blows your claim out of the water. It is a good strategy for you. Sooner or later, the antics are bound to bore the other person, and then you get to declare victory.

[rhett o rick]

18. I see you got the coveted (by some) first response spot. Do guys you take turns watching

for Manny posts? I hope he appreciates the attention. Personally I don't see it.

[beam me up scottie]

19. They have a Manny Watch at the cave.

Bonus points for being the first while bringing up Reagan at the same time.

I think there's some sort of prize involved.

[rhett o rick]

23. The bonus is for alerting. They only manage to alert on half of Manny's posts,

while I think WillyT is running about 85%.

[beam me up scottie]

24. Stalkers make DU suck.

[Cali_Democrat]

25. I have a program

Which constantly refreshes my browser and alerts me to every new Manny post. Then I'm able to get the "coveted first response spot".

[rhett o rick]

29. I knew it was something like that. The Manny "dis-like-ers" always seem to get the number one

response spot, I assume thinking it has tactical advantages. I think it's hilarious that you guys/gals take it so seriously. I guess anything to distract from actually talking about issues.

[cantbeserious]

2. This Citizen Will Vote For Bernie Sanders Based On Policy And Position Over HRC Any Day Of The Week

eom

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

3. He's trying to get Republicans to vote for him. Shame on him!

What a terrible thing to do - to try to turn Republicans into Democrats!

[pangaia]

5. Someone here actually called him a huckster.

[Jack Rabbit]

39. Yes, but that post was hidden

Rightly so.

On Thu Nov 26, 2015, 09:42 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Oh, the old "you're too stupid to understand" gambit
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=851858

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Earlier in the same thread she said she loathed Bernie; now she calls him a huckster. That is disruptive, rude, insensitive, over-the-top and rude, as far as I'm concerned. Leave it to the jury to judge.

JURY RESULTS

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Nov 26, 2015, 09:50 AM, and the Jury voted 5-2 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: MaggieD's vitriol is repulsive.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: The earlier "He disgusts me" really makes me want to vote for Hillary in the General election IF she makes it there.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Much worse has been posted about Hillary and left to stand.


Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[merrily]

49. Yet a post saying Trump was better than Sanders got left 5-2. And

Sanders' supporters are the ones supposedly in control of jury decisions? I don't know how such a small minority manages to control so many jury decisions, but it sure does.

[kath]

79. Do you have the jury results on that one?Wow.Don't think I saw them posted on that thread.PM please?

[merrily]

86. Yes, I do and thanks to you, I just alerted on them.

I just noticed that one of the jurors launched an ugly personal attack on a poster whom the juror either knew or imagined was the alerter. For that reason, I will not post the results.

[Half-Century Man]

8. Do you mean he might attract voters from the center right.

Just like the third way/Clinton centered/"conservative Democrats have been attempting to do for decades?

And he did it by being the most honest leftest Democratic candidate despite of only lately joining the Democratic Party.
I bet those centrist Democrats who spectacularly failed to attract switch voters feel kinda inadequate now.

[Doctor_J]

10. who voted for the iraq war!

As long as we're just making shit up

[MissDeeds]

14. Well, the statement is true except for one thing

They got the candidate wrong.

[beam me up scottie]

15. I just read that he pimps for the NRA!

He even sucks at being a pimp, they gave him a D minus rating.

Not Good Enough, Bernie!

[merrily]

68. If I may be so bold: The NRA has most often given him an F rating. However, I believe his most

recent rating may have been D-. He does not, however, have a D-average.

As Governor, btw, Howard Dean, centrist and former head of the DNC, received an A rating from the NRA.

[beam me up scottie]

71. The NRA targeted Bernie in 1994 after he voted for the assault weapons ban.

They made up 'Bye bye Bernie' bumper stickers and mailed them out to members.

If he's a pimp for the NRA he really does suck at it.

[Ken Burch]

20. "What next? He used to be FLOTUS?" Sadly, yes...in a way...

It is my duty to report to everyone that Bernie Sanders is possessed by the spirit of Eleanor Roosevelt.

(Sorry...Drudge was gonna figure it out sometime).

[arcane1]

26. They will literally say anything, just to be contrary. It's stupid, but it gets them attention.

Attention which, after all, is their main goal in the first place

[beam me up scottie]

30. One of them just admitted they think Trump is honest and trust him.

I don't think we're dealing with liberals here and if they're really Democrats I can see why they prefer Hillary.

[arcane1]

35. Exactly n/t

[Hiraeth]

52. Are you fucking kidding me with that shit ?! PM me the link, please. I do not believe it.

[beam me up scottie]

64. Pm sent!

I believe it.

[Hiraeth]

81. Ugh. Thanks for the link, proving Once again that

an Internet Warrior let their keyboard get out of control. Sheesh!

[Art_from_Ark]

53. Well, I trust Trump

to be a loose cannon. That is, I trust him to be like the fireworks show in my hometown one year where one of the people in charge of the show lit a giant Roman candle with a short fuse, and in his haste to get away from it, tripped over it in such a way that it ended up being pointed directly at where all the unlit fireworks were being kept. Needless to say, fireworks started going off in all directions, and we onlookers had to scurry for cover.

[beam me up scottie]

62. The guy wants a database of Muslims, and wants them to wear identification.

Now who does that remind you of?

[Art_from_Ark]

63. Damn, that guy is creepy

Well, both of them are-- Trump, and his Vorgänger.

[merrily]

60. I'm losing track. (I didn't drink. Come to think of it, I didn't even have turkey, either! )

Anyway, did I mention to you that I juried a post today claiming that Trump would make a better President than Sanders? Vote was 2 to 5 to leave it!

[beam me up scottie]

61. That's the same one.

I didn't alert because I knew it wouldn't get hidden, honestly after all the vile things said about Bernie nothing surprises me anymore.

[INdemo]

31. They are nervous...

If they were so damn confident in their candidate why are they trying to "swift boat"
Bernie......answer their internal polling shows 2008 all over again and they are nervous

[Rosa Luxemburg]

54. Yep they are nervous

[senz]

33. "War-mongering," my ass. He plays on his GENDER!

I'm a husband."

"I'm a grandfather."

"I'm a son of immigrants.

What is he trying to prove with all this gender talk? Why won't he tell us where he stands on non-gender issues, the ones that affect us ALL??

Does he think we're dumb enough to elect him for his XY chomosomes?

[Lancero]

34. Meh, it was only a small jump to that from...

Him being a ardent supporter of the MiC, because he voted to support our troops.

Apparently, some people have issues seeing the difference between voting to support a war, and voting to support the people we send off to war.

According to them, starting a war is great but making sure we have the funding to properly equip and feed our troops (so that they don't... you know... die?) is pure evil.

[senz]

38. Otherwise known as the Bush Doctrine.

Send 'em to Afghanistan for combat and then to their families for body armor.

[Jack Rabbit]

36. K/R for Manny

Hang in there, Manny.

[snot]

51. K&R'd for Manny & Bernie.

[Motown_Johnny]

75. What ever happened to the Pacifist meme?

I guess the extremists who are posting this crap just can't grasp the concept of a reasonable middle ground. Their loss.

[DJ13]

77. What next? He used to be FLOTUS?

Well, I dont want to start any rumors, but.........

[Dem2]

80. 2/10

Just not anything there. Straws, grasping and all that.