2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhy did Hillary Clinton attack Jeremiah Wright?
"You don't choose your family, but you choose what church you want to attend." - Hillary Clinton 2008
""I think given all we have heard and seen, [Wright] would not have been my pastor." - Hillary Clinton 2008
Her rhetoric was the same as John McCain's. Why is Hillary so afraid of Black Liberation Theology?
firebrand80
(2,760 posts)Duh
ForgoTheConsequence
(4,846 posts)Why did she have to turn Wright into the angry, scary, black, America hating preacher?
firebrand80
(2,760 posts)He did it for the same reason Hillary used the issue, because it was bad for Obama politically.
It's a little naive to suggest that candidates won't attack each other's weaknesses. This isn't Middle School class president.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)which is why she didn't win become President....middle school class or otherwise.
firebrand80
(2,760 posts)virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)left lowrider
(97 posts)I switched to Obama when her attacks showed her inability to be a true leader and take the high road. . . which is the true way to defeat republicans.
senz
(11,945 posts)That and her dishonesty.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)firebrand80
(2,760 posts)Hillary is good, not great.
Hillary had a terrible strategy, her team didn't understand the delegate system. Obama had multiple offices in some of the states beyond Super Tuesday months before Hilary's team even showed up to the state.
She had the wrong message. She was the establishment candidate in a change election. By the time she modified her message, it was too late.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)And throw negative stink bombs. All Obama had to do was stand on the debate stage and shake his head in disgust.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)And constantly attacking from the right.
When she loses the primary, will the Third Way® give her a refund on the trojan horse they built for her?
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)subtle and something explicit racist rhetoric. No Democrat can win without the black vote.
TRUTH!!!
ForgoTheConsequence
(4,846 posts)Noted. Thanks for being honest!
firebrand80
(2,760 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)firebrand80
(2,760 posts)He could have stood up for him. He could have said "this is a smear campaign, let's focus on the issues." He didn't. He cut ties with Wright.
Why?
For the same reason Hillary attacked him. He wanted to win.
senz
(11,945 posts)He had to. Given what we both know about racial politics in America, Obama had no choice.
Hillary, otoh, did not have to jump on the "Obama belongs to an America-hating Black church" swiftboat in order to survive politically. She did it as an option, and her choice to do so was congruent with other other falsehoods about Obama (Muslim, etc.) that she pushed in her DIRTY POOL campaign tactics.
That is the difference. She attempts to destroy her opponents with lies. I have not seen Obama do that. And I have not seen Bernie do it either.
Do not try to dumb this discussion down to "Well he did a bad thing too, so they both did bad things." This is about the willingness to destroy one's opponents with falsehoods.
It's about character. So quit yer wiggling.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)...an organization that had done nothing wrong except to be attacked by Brietbart no less.
Obama and the Democratic Leadership cut and ran so fast from ACORN that only smoke trails were left.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)He had no choice. Congress destroyed a lot of programs and tied them to the stimulus and Omnibus budget. It was either that not have any stimulus or other required spending bill at all.
You really should remember history.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)Have you never heard of the Bully Pulpit?
Obama uses it effectively when he wants something.
His did NOTHING to support ACORN.
Please post excerpts where President Obama and his Democratic Majority in BOTH houses defended ACORN.
I can't seem to find any.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)process works at all. Has nothing to do with bully pulpit. That is a symbolic gesture. Again, you are 100% WRONG!!
bvar22
(39,909 posts)Surely is should be easy for YOU to find them because I'm so terribly wrong.
I only lived through that shameful episode where ACORN was banished.
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)So who was Obama racially swift-boating? Himself?
No candidate was going to support a minister who said, "God damn America" -- no matter what the context or how righteous the anger.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/14/obama.minister/index.html?eref=rss_us
In another sermon, Wright had said America had brought the September 11 attacks upon itself.
Obama denounced some of Wright's sermons on Friday, telling CNN's Anderson Cooper: "These are a series of incendiary statements that I can't object to strongly enough."
Earlier Friday, before the announcement of Wright's departure from the Obama camp, the Illinois senator denounced some of the ministers's sermons, calling them "inflammatory and appalling."
artislife
(9,497 posts)I remember my brother and I talking at the time about what a shame it was.
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)but there was no way Obama could support the kinds of sermons he began to make.
artislife
(9,497 posts)there were so much truth in them. My initial reaction to 9/11 was "Who did we piss off, and who did we not listen to?" We treat the world so poorly, it was just a matter of time before the backlash would visit us.
Dreadful foreign policy.
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)No matter what the context or how righteous the anger, no candidate for President would have continued to associate himself with this person.
artislife
(9,497 posts)if he was to have a political career.
But I thought Rev Wright was correct. Maybe because I am an atheist, the phrase doesn't hit me the same as those who believe in damnation but I think we need a serious bout of self reflection on how we treat the rest of the world. Damn, how we treat our own, look at what we are allowing to happen to the African American community. So yes, God Damn America. We are not some hallowed nation, no sacred place, no royal blood above the fray. We are and have been shitty to the earth and the critters that live here, including its people. We will get nowhere until we become fully responsible for our policies, our behaviors as we lead the world over the edge.
I am no blind patriot.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)"And the United States of America government, when it came to treating her citizens of Indian descent fairly, she failed. She put them on reservations. When it came to treating her citizens of Japanese descent fairly, she failed. She put them in internment prison camps. When it came to treating her citizens of African descent fairly, America failed. She put them in chains, the government put them on slave quarters, put them on auction blocks, put them in cotton field, put them in inferior schools, put them in substandard housing, put them in scientific experiments, put them in the lowest paying jobs, put them outside the equal protection of the law, kept them out of their racist bastions of higher education and locked them into positions of hopelessness and helplessness. The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing "God Bless America". No, no, no, not God Bless America. God damn America that's in the Bible for killing innocent people. God damn America, for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America, as long as she tries to act like she is God, and she is supreme. The United States government has failed the vast majority of her citizens of African descent"
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)inflammatory, and appalling. The context doesn't justify it.
No Presidential candidate could endorse this statement.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Govt., they do not. And, heaven forbid that any black lives matter activist state that plainly. Obama's characterization of Wright's speech as incendiary was worse that Wright's speech. Obama shut down all conversation of real grievances. Pretended that they did and do not exist.
'Oh, that angry black man. He's just trying to get people riled up for no good reason at all.'
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)Not much point in talking to an Obama hater.
senz
(11,945 posts)I said, "Why don't we ask them why they did it?" and got laughed into silence.
Since then, I've given it enough thought (and it's really not that hard) that it seems inevitable they would attack us and also that they won't stop until we get out of their countries and deal with them through diplomacy and treaties like we do our western counterparts.
I wonder how would we like it if they had military bases in the United States?
Yes, dreadful foreign policy.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)We have been fucking those countries and the People for over 60 years.
Its about time they got pissed.....
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)they cherry picked phrases.....that is just what they do.
Unlike the delusional RW preachers, Wright was referencing actual injustice. His words were not easy to hear, but he spoke the truth.
Hillary showed how low she could go by piling on, and joining in with the RW attacks on Obama.
That is where she lost me for good.
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)So he should have lost you for good, too.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)that lost me. It showed me that she could not be trusted.
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)What she said wasn't any worse.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)she attacked Obama
quote from a debate
"it is clear that, as leaders, we have a choice who we associate with and who we apparently give some kind of seal of approval to. And I think that it wasnt only the specific remarks but some of the relationships with Reverend Farrakhan, with giving the church bulletin over to the leader of Hamas, to put a message in.
In another interview she was just as bad.....Hes not a Muslim, as far as I know........the interviewer kept asking and she refused to answer that he was a Christian without adding the qualifier as far as I know.
She was gleefully trying to link him to Wright, Farrakhan and Hamas, and echoing the Republican Muslim meme.... . That is some sick shit.
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)That's just a fact, not some "link."
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/01/15/obamas-mentor-and-pastor-honors-louis-farrakhan/
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)or Hamas.....classic attempt at a smear.....she was throwing gasoline on the flames.
senz
(11,945 posts)And that's how she lost me.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)cognitively diasbled inmate in 1992 to "prove" he was "tough on crime." They don't come much sicker than our Macbeth and Lady Macbeth.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)McClurkin and held an entire tour with them, McClurkin infamous for his 700 Club rants calling for open warfare against LGBT and accusing us of trying to kill Christian children. Obama saw fit to support those who made that sort of sermon. So how does all of that add up, really?
tex-wyo-dem
(3,190 posts)Rather than attacking Obama on policy, or highlighting why her positions differ from his, she decided to go below the belt and use a RW personal attack to try to damage Obama.
Anything to win, eh?
She's a hack, just every RW/GOP candidate out there.
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)Any candidate for President would condemn a minister who, in a sermon, said "God damn America."
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/14/obama.minister/index.html?eref=rss_us
In another sermon, Wright had said America had brought the September 11 attacks upon itself.
Obama denounced some of Wright's sermons on Friday, telling CNN's Anderson Cooper: "These are a series of incendiary statements that I can't object to strongly enough."
Earlier Friday, before the announcement of Wright's departure from the Obama camp, the Illinois senator denounced some of the ministers's sermons, calling them "inflammatory and appalling."
tex-wyo-dem
(3,190 posts)Against the attacks the GOP had very effectively catapulted into the MMM.
Hillary just took it upon herself to use it as a tool against her Dem opponent.
Hack political games.
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)That it was fine for a minister to blame the US for 9/11 and to say "God damn America"?
GitRDun
(1,846 posts)The rev was over the top...
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)Reverend Wright was never anti-white, he was pro-liberation. There was no honorable reason for HRC to make wright the issue. And having done so, she forfeited any right to claim to be against institutional racism(being against racism means you have to support those in the liberation struggle).
lunasun
(21,646 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)pnwmom
(108,925 posts)And other things that Obama himself said were "incendiary," "inflammatory," and "appalling."
But what would he know?
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/14/obama.minister/index.html?eref=rss_us
In another sermon, Wright had said America had brought the September 11 attacks upon itself.
Obama denounced some of Wright's sermons on Friday, telling CNN's Anderson Cooper: "These are a series of incendiary statements that I can't object to strongly enough."
Earlier Friday, before the announcement of Wright's departure from the Obama camp, the Illinois senator denounced some of the ministers's sermons, calling them "inflammatory and appalling."
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)500,000 Iraqi children during the 90s . . . or conclude in some malignant fashion that their deaths were 'worth it.' By my calculations, America still stands to lose another 497,000 civilians before the scales are even close to being balanced. And that's before Operation Shocking and Awful which killed, wounded or displaced 25% of Iraq's pre-war population. Extrapolating from that %, America is in debt now to the tune of 50-75 million Americans.
joshcryer
(62,265 posts)Which Bush complied with, btw.
You're tying 9/11 to Iraq when no such connection exists.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)strike listed 4 reasons, troops in SA being merely one. The 500,000 Iraqi children who died during the 90s from preventable diseases that couldn't be treated thanks to our sanctions was a 2nd reason. People tend to forget those children and SoS Albright's chilling rationale for their deaths. OBL and al Zawahiri didn't forget, nor have the people of the ME.
a huge karmic debt remains to be paid. 9-11 was merely the down payment.
joshcryer
(62,265 posts)He did not demand Iraq sanctions be lifted.
Every one can rant about their reasons for murder, and if you pick it a part like you do, you can make it sound reasonable. You can quote any evil person in history that way and get a thread with 300 recs.
Radical jehadists hate western decedent society. They will find reasons. Saddam built a half dozen castles in Iraq during the sanctions, some with open air fresh water ponds larger than the capital mall. Blaming those deaths on the US is not that black and white.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Mr Third Way®?
jfern
(5,204 posts)And she also attacked him for being too strongly for gun control.
Basically, Hillary attacks her opponents for anything and everything, and doesn't worry about self consistency.
That won't stop her from embracing Obama 100% when it serves her purposes, either.
Which way was the wind blowing, again?
It's like she has no principled center. There's nothing there but greed and power hunger, neither of which are Democratic values.
kath
(10,565 posts)no principles whatsoever.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)She does anything when it is convenient. She changes positions due to her polls. She will continue moving to the right and I feel sorry for the supporters she is duping.
senz
(11,945 posts)Nor do they care about her stand on the issues. They always find excuses.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)They are as a group completely blocking out reality
senz
(11,945 posts)There is something incredibly unhealthy about it. I'm starting to think it's a waste of time dealing with anyone who spouts nonsense or abuse.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)candidate actually does.
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polly7
(20,582 posts)I think they're very comfortable with the status quo and debate on the issues is just lip-service, which is, imo, inexcusable, when so many are suffering.
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)that Wright said America brought 9/11 upon itself. As well as other things that candidate Obama said were "incendiary," "inflammatory," and "appalling."
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/14/obama.minister/index.html?eref=rss_us
In another sermon, Wright had said America had brought the September 11 attacks upon itself.
Obama denounced some of Wright's sermons on Friday, telling CNN's Anderson Cooper: "These are a series of incendiary statements that I can't object to strongly enough."
Earlier Friday, before the announcement of Wright's departure from the Obama camp, the Illinois senator denounced some of the ministers's sermons, calling them "inflammatory and appalling."
moobu2
(4,822 posts)"I am outraged by the comments that were made and saddened by the spectacle that we saw yesterday... The person that I saw yesterday was not the person that I met 20 years ago. His comments were not only divisive and destructive, but I believe that they end up giving comfort to those who prey on hate, and I believe that they do not portray accurately the perspective of the black church. They certainly don't portray accurately my values and beliefs. And if Reverend Wright thinks that that's political posturing, as he put it, then he doesn't know me very well. And based on his remarks yesterday, well, I may not know him as well as I thought either.... What became clear to me is that he was presenting a world view that contradicts who I am and what I stand for, and what I think particularly angered me was his suggestion somehow that my previous denunciation of his remarks were somehow political posturing. Anybody who knows me and anybody who knows what I'm about knows that I am about trying to bridge gaps and I see the commonality in all people. ...[A]fter seeing Reverend Wright's performance, I felt as if there was a complete disregard for what the American people are going through and the need for them to rally together to solve these problems. ...[W]hatever relationship I had with Reverend Wright has changed, as a consequence of this."- Barack Obama
senz
(11,945 posts)Oh ... yeah ... Republicans and Hillary.
moobu2
(4,822 posts)"I am outraged by the comments that were made and saddened by the spectacle that we saw yesterday... The person that I saw yesterday was not the person that I met 20 years ago. His comments were not only divisive and destructive, but I believe that they end up giving comfort to those who prey on hate, and I believe that they do not portray accurately the perspective of the black church. They certainly don't portray accurately my values and beliefs. And if Reverend Wright thinks that that's political posturing, as he put it, then he doesn't know me very well. And based on his remarks yesterday, well, I may not know him as well as I thought either.... What became clear to me is that he was presenting a world view that contradicts who I am and what I stand for, and what I think particularly angered me was his suggestion somehow that my previous denunciation of his remarks were somehow political posturing. Anybody who knows me and anybody who knows what I'm about knows that I am about trying to bridge gaps and I see the commonality in all people. ...[A]fter seeing Reverend Wright's performance, I felt as if there was a complete disregard for what the American people are going through and the need for them to rally together to solve these problems. ...[W]hatever relationship I had with Reverend Wright has changed, as a consequence of this." - President Obama - April 2008
senz
(11,945 posts)and Obama attacked Wright to keep from being torn down, one could say that each of them attacked Wright to get elected. Only Hillary did it as part of dirty campaigning. (Nice candidate ya got there!)
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)... you wouldn't be alert stalking me, now would you, honey?
Don't think I'd miss much if you were on ignore. bye...
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)between denouncing a divisive figure, i.e Obama denouncing Rev Wright and HRC denouncing Obama (her opponent) for being associated with him at one point in time. Instead they say Obama did it too which is untrue. Obama never denounced HRC for who she at one time associated herself with.
It is this type of intentional obtuseness by HRC supporters who think Sanders supporters are to thick to discern.
Their argument here clearly fails.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Enough to know the difference. We are and we do.
rocktivity
(44,555 posts)Why ask why?
(if you pardon the smiley)
rocktivity
bravenak
(34,648 posts)AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Aaaaaand...she didn't.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)It is not coming from her side this time!!! No. It comes from others and it will help her WIN.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I'm just glad my candidate doesn't have that kind of baggage, I'd hate to have to twist myself into a pretzel defending it. Actually I'd probably just switch to the guy who didn't run a racist campaign. Why settle?
cui bono
(19,926 posts)against the one you actually like more but now hate and want to make lose because of someone on the internet!
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)The cramps must be excruciating!
bravenak
(34,648 posts)it becomes like second nature. I do like Bernie. I'd rather help her beat him than have him win after all this.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Having zero principles makes extreme moral flexibility normal.
cheapdate
(3,811 posts)but "God damn the United States!" is a bridge too far for Hillary Clinton in so many ways.
senz
(11,945 posts)I doubt she would be interested in Black Liberation Theology and I seriously doubt she would have attacked Wright if he hadn't have been Obama's pastor.
cheapdate
(3,811 posts)I would expect that she could engage the concepts of Black Liberation Theology in a thoughtful manner under the right circumstances. Maybe she would find some merit or understanding in it. I honestly have no idea. But the Jeremiah Wright "controversy" was miles away from the "right circumstances."
She would undoubtedly distance herself from "God damn the 1%!" also -- for the same, and for different reasons.
Hillary Clinton has a thoroughly conventional view of American government, business, and civics. She is not the one who will bring radical change to the American style of capitalism.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)would she even begin to think of changing a system whence she so manifestly benefits?
MrWendel
(1,881 posts)also. It seems in 2010 he accused Obama of throwing him under the bus. Also said, he blamed his distance from Obama on "Them Jews". So was Obama wrong for doing so?
Jeremiah Wright Is Still Angry at Barack Obama
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/09/what-ever-happened-to-jeremiah-wright/406522/
Our Halfrican-American presidenthe dont want to talk about reparations. Its not personal responsibility. Youre missing the point. Lets talk about white-on-black crime.
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)to be kind to their oppressors. Yet so many are, to their credit. I am always impressed at the ability of people of color, Jewish people, and LGBTs to respond with humor and equanimity when discussing those who abuse them. So it doesn't surprise me when some, like Wright, cannot.
The treatment of AAs in this country has been horrible. And it is still going on. It is inhuman. It is a terrible stain on this nation. However, I am sorry that Wright feel into the same moral failing if he did, indeed, blame the Jews.
Wright was the Obama family pastor for about 20 years and baptized Malia and Sasha. It must have been hard for Obama to let him go. The Repubs were playing video excerpts of the worst of Wright -- only a few minutes of blowing his stack -- over and over on youtube. Obama had to disassociate himself from Wright. I understand why he did and I also understand why Wright would be angry. Politics is a tough, hard vocation.
Wright was terribly hurt by racial injustice against himself and his people and it affected him. He makes me think of this poem:
By Langston Hughes
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)jfern
(5,204 posts)that he felt he really had to distance himself from Wright.
MrWendel
(1,881 posts)Hilary caused Rev Wright to call him a "Halfrican American" and that he was being controlled by "Them Jews".....
Riiiiiiiiiiiight.
polly7
(20,582 posts)The whole thing was very sad, for Wright and Obama. Broke my heart to watch it unfold.
LonePirate
(13,386 posts)Last edited Fri Nov 27, 2015, 01:56 AM - Edit history (1)
I often wonder at times what party's faithful inhabits this site.
840high
(17,196 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)Beacool
(30,244 posts)Any smear would do. Pathetic.......
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Nonsense.
They are portraying her as the opportunist she is.
She even had to make her Laquan McDonald statement about some thing SHE did "The mothers I met with were right...." No shit Sherlock. (you had to meet with grieving mothers to get it?) Reminding us of what SHE did and that SHE is a mother too! (didja know that?)
That patronizing tone...uuuugh!
senz
(11,945 posts)This is about her campaign tactics. Which are about her character.
No one of normal intelligence would interpret this discussion as a commentary on Hillary's racial attitudes. You are trying to reframe the discussion in order to take the focus off of Hillary's dirty pool campaign tactics and send it in a false direction.
And your attempt failed.
oasis
(49,150 posts)Rev. Wright will never be the subject of any of the upcoming debates, yet Bernie supporters constantly complain about Hillary folk being the ones who won't engage in substantive issues.
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)You're really dredging the mud from the bottom now.
Wright was the minister who said Americans deserved 9/11.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/14/obama.minister/index.html?eref=rss_us
In another sermon, Wright had said America had brought the September 11 attacks upon itself.
Obama denounced some of Wright's sermons on Friday, telling CNN's Anderson Cooper: "These are a series of incendiary statements that I can't object to strongly enough."
Earlier Friday, before the announcement of Wright's departure from the Obama camp, the Illinois senator denounced some of the ministers's sermons, calling them "inflammatory and appalling."
That Guy 888
(1,214 posts)Even when President Obama acknowledged our self-serving meddling in the Middle East (like overthrowing Mohammad Mosaddegh in 1954), it was called "his apology tour" by Faux news and their fellow-travelers.
artislife
(9,497 posts)Rev Wright said some truths and the chickens had truly come home to roost.
I felt bad that Obama had to throw him under the bus but he never would have stood a chance if he did not do it. The frickin RW media and Hillary was all over it.
I lost respect for everyone over that. I would go to Wright's church and I'm not a churchgoer.
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)like that's all Wright ever talked about. Early in the controversy, Obama said he went to Wright's church regularly for years and never heard him talk like that. The repubs cherry picked to make a scandal that, given Obama's race, could easily have killed his chances of getting elected -- given what we both know about white America.
I am sure, in his heart of hearts, Obama has felt some of that anger. I feel it, I blow my stack and yell at the TV or radio when another unarmed AA gets murdered by police. Sometimes I cry. And I'm white. So probably most if not all AAs and other people of color become that angry at times. Because they should. They have every right to. There would be something wrong if they didn't.
Wright got used by the repubs and chewed up by a huge political machine bigger than himself. And if by any chance you think his righteous anger was unChristian, check out Jesus' excoriating of the Pharisees in the Book of Matthew and also what he did with the money changers. Righteous people do become very, very angry over injustice and cruelty. May they always.
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)who was blaming the US for 9/11 and saying, "God damn America."
senz
(11,945 posts)He wasn't making public statements. He was in his church going about his business. He wasn't out in the public eye. He was a private citizen.
Republican (and perhaps Hillary's, I don't recall) opposition research dug up Wright's PAST sermons because he was Obama's pastor and then cherry picked the most inflammatory statements to make Obama look bad. Then they played them constantly through several news cycles in an effort to make it look like this is who Obama was.
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)Neither one could condone the statements of someone who blamed America for the attacks on 9/11 and said, "God damn America."
criticize him "for the same reason Obama did." The OP states:
"I think given all we have heard and seen, would not have been my pastor." - Hillary Clinton 2008
Both of those statements tie Obama to Wright. That was Hillary's purpose in making them. She wasn't interested in criticizing Wright; she was interested in tarnishing Obama through his relationship with Wright.
Those statements were an attack on Obama. Please don't try to rewrite Hillary's history.
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)statements, then Wright would not have been his pastor, either.
So they essentially said the same thing, except Obama added "incendiary," "inflammatory," and "appalling."
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)He did get thrown under the bus. His anger was justified and he should have been regarded as a voice for change, though I do understand what Obama was facing at the time - the racism against him was already so disgusting it made my skin crawl, he had to do what he did, and I'm sure he agonized over it. imho.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)How do I feel about that today?
How did we poll on that subject?
How much money will it take to achieve that message on which social media?
Who's my insider person in the big cable market?
WillyT
(72,631 posts)nsd
(2,406 posts)When Wright first came into the news in March 2008, it was possible to come up with excuses for him and his words -- he was old, he had been through a lot, one had to walk a mile in his shoes before judging him, etcetera and so forth. But when he came back a month or two later and gave that speech at the National Press Club, it was clear that he was just trying to sabotage Obama. And the only reason I can think of why he would do that is that Wright was a jerk, an egotistical, selfish jerk -- he was jealous or felt aggrieved or whatever. He was trying to undermine a campaign a lot of of us had devoted a lot of ourselves to.
So, I don't care that Clinton attacked him too. He deserved it.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)Because this discussion is about Hillary's campaign tactics. Reread the OP: it consists of two Hillary quotes, for a reason.
She used the Rev. Wright scandal AGAINST Obama. And most of us saw it exactly for what it was: very dirty pool. Typical of Hillary. She makes or insinuates falsehoods against her opponent. She will stoop to any depths to win.
Some of us prefer ethics, principles and conscience in our presidential candidates.
That is the point.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)They clearly do not, to her hard-core supporters.
But they do to us.
Live with it.
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)Because he was general election poison.
Beacool
(30,244 posts)Don't you just love the hypocrisy? Hillary is bad, but Obama gets a pass for throwing under the bus his spiritual mentor and someone he knew for over 20 years. The bull in this place never stops.
Truprogressive85
(900 posts)Lost all respect for her when she did it
She knew what she was doing exploiting white fear
The fear that here a black man giving his opinion makes a lot people uncomfortable
The same way Sean Hannity and briebart had the so called video of Derrick Bell and young Obama to rile up conservative white viewers
Monk06
(7,675 posts)of Eisenhower That has been the case for every American president since Roosevelt, on the laughably narrow, 'progressive' end of the American left wing political spectrum.
Bernie is Eugene Mc Carthy the pretender.
Hillary is Bobby Kennedy, social liberal but American Exeptionalist to the bone.
While you are worrying about whether Hillary, Bernie, Cruz, Carson or the Donald will be the next master of Lifeboat USA the world will move on.
Meanwhile Lockheed Martin and Exxon Mobil rule your everyday lives with Goldman Sachs lending you the money to purchase your own slavery.
Your choices are limited from disappointment to disaster.
Private ownership is the biggest scam in world history. That is the sytem where a bank convinces you that rent is property. If you have a credit card and a car loan you are already too far gone.
Good luck America , your navel is not a world globe nor is it a manifesto for human emancipation.
By the way, don't be fooled by the Canadian flag, we will circle the toilet one ring ahead of you
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)oasis
(49,150 posts)wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Skidmore
(37,364 posts)it's 2015. In case you didn't notice
99Forever
(14,524 posts)It's how Clintons roll.
madokie
(51,076 posts)the woman will say or so anything that she or her staff thinks might help her in her quest for the whitehouse. I don't trust her for a second. I'll vote for her if she is the nominee because thats the way I am but I sure won't in the primary.
That laugh of hers makes my skin crawl, I know thats pretty shallow on my part but it is what it is
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Really says more about the person typing than anything else. I have never seen a group of people promoting fear like I do Sanders supporters. You really do think this fear you project onto others is real, don't you?
Beacool
(30,244 posts)A better question would be why did Obama distance himself from the pastor who officiated at his wedding and baptized his daughters?
What's the purpose of this post? Trying to inflame racial animosity against Hillary because she polls so well with AA?
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Camp Weathervane should try it sometime.
Beacool
(30,244 posts)Anything to try to tarnish Hillary.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)If they "tarnish," so be it. Nobody gets a free pass for doing shitty things.
Beacool
(30,244 posts)Who cares about Wright in 2015? It seems that only Sanders' supporters.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Phonies gotta be phony. Clinton is a phony.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)kitchen sink stuff
FloridaBlues
(3,991 posts)Gez maybe trying to win the nomination and perhaps she wouldn't like that particular message he was giving.
I've changed churches because of a certain pastor myself. A lot of people do without malice of religion
Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)Bernblu
(441 posts)bvar22
(39,909 posts)http://truth-out.org/archive/component/k2/item/93642:the-family--who-really-is-behind-this-secret-organization
senz
(11,945 posts)Shameless.
akbacchus_BC
(5,700 posts)And she will lose again this time.
ecstatic
(32,566 posts)She's not a great campaigner, unfortunately. I went from being neutral to firmly supporting Obama. But, that's water under the bridge now, at least for grown ups.
Since it's clear that she will be the nominee, let's hope that her campaign strategies are stronger this time around. From what I've seen during the Benghazi hearings, etc., I think she's a lot stronger now. All she has to do is be herself, without fear of polls, etc. That's when she's at her best.
jfern
(5,204 posts)She has a choice between being a neoliberal hawk or someone who is completely insincere. She seems to go back and forth quite a bit.
jalan48
(13,797 posts)Today she's one color, tomorrow another. She hopes people don't notice.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)Vattel
(9,289 posts)Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)Thank goodness they were wrong.
ericson00
(2,707 posts)and unpatriotic things. I don't think Obama actually believed his stuff tho: I think Obama attended because thats where voters were.
Truprogressive85
(900 posts)not to sugarcoat it because she thought by exploiting white fear and racist it would gain with white voters
it failed
and would never forget it and don't trust her
bigtree
(85,915 posts)...when he got the opportunity to have his say.
Some good points made by Wright; some really kooky ones, as well.
BLT is one thing; Rev. Wright's interpretations of that theology is another.
He wouldn't have been my pastor, either. People are free to make whatever judgment they want about that. FWIW, I believe Hillary. I don't think she would have him as her pastor.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Just kidding. She was using a racial attack to get votes