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ForgoTheConsequence

(4,846 posts)
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 11:24 PM Nov 2015

Why did Hillary Clinton attack Jeremiah Wright?

"You don't choose your family, but you choose what church you want to attend." - Hillary Clinton 2008

""I think given all we have heard and seen, [Wright] would not have been my pastor." - Hillary Clinton 2008


Her rhetoric was the same as John McCain's. Why is Hillary so afraid of Black Liberation Theology?

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Why did Hillary Clinton attack Jeremiah Wright? (Original Post) ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2015 OP
Because she was trying to win firebrand80 Nov 2015 #1
She couldn't win based on her accomplishments and merits? ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2015 #2
Why did Obama distance himself from Wright? firebrand80 Nov 2015 #6
it only exposed her own weakness... virtualobserver Nov 2015 #8
That's not why she lost firebrand80 Nov 2015 #12
it is one of the reasons virtualobserver Nov 2015 #17
Thats why she lost my vote in 2008 left lowrider Nov 2015 #42
Her treatment of Obama influenced my vote. senz Nov 2015 #65
In your opinion, why did she lose? JDPriestly Nov 2015 #94
Obama is an extremely talented campaigner firebrand80 Nov 2015 #118
Her strategy was attack from the right AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #144
She lost because she was so negative AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #143
One of the reasons she lost was because she turned off a lot of black people with her Liberal_Stalwart71 Dec 2015 #156
So you support using racial swift boating tactics? ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2015 #9
By your logic Obama does too firebrand80 Nov 2015 #14
I've never seen Obama swift boat an opponent. senz Nov 2015 #68
My point is Obama threw Wright under the bus firebrand80 Nov 2015 #119
Obama cut his ties with Wright to survive the election. senz Nov 2015 #128
Why did Obama cut ties with ACORN? bvar22 Nov 2015 #149
Obama DID NOT cut ties with ACORN! You are wrong! Congress cut their budget, holding them hostage Liberal_Stalwart71 Dec 2015 #157
A popular President with a MANDATE for CHANGE? bvar22 Dec 2015 #163
You are wrong! I work for HUD. You are totally WRONG! You don't know how the budget Liberal_Stalwart71 Dec 2015 #166
Where are your links for Obama's public defense of ACORN? bvar22 Dec 2015 #169
Obama himself said the sermons were "incendiary" "inflammatory" and "appalling." pnwmom Nov 2015 #41
It was a disappointment. artislife Nov 2015 #46
My understanding is that he was a good minister at one point pnwmom Nov 2015 #47
Too bad, because even if they were "hard" to hear artislife Nov 2015 #51
He said "God damn America" in a sermon. pnwmom Nov 2015 #55
Yes, I know he had to distance him because of that phrase artislife Nov 2015 #83
What part of this do you disagree... Luminous Animal Dec 2015 #158
"God damn America." The language was, as Obama said, incendiary, pnwmom Dec 2015 #159
Either black lives matter or they don't. Rev. Wright was clearly stating that, according to the U.S. Luminous Animal Dec 2015 #160
"Obama's characterization of Wright's speech as incendiary was worse than Wright's speech." pnwmom Dec 2015 #161
When everyone was yakking about "what we should do" after 9/11 senz Nov 2015 #78
The entire Middle East from Palistine to Iran had motive to attack us. bvar22 Dec 2015 #164
The RW took Wright's words out of context....SOP virtualobserver Nov 2015 #59
Obama denounced the statements even more than Hillary did. pnwmom Nov 2015 #61
No, it was Hillary's self righteous responses and willingness to use this issue.... virtualobserver Nov 2015 #67
Obama said the statements were "incendiary" "inflammatory" and "appalling." pnwmom Nov 2015 #69
what she said was much worse virtualobserver Nov 2015 #73
Wright's church honored Farrakhan. pnwmom Nov 2015 #79
but she brought it up in the debate.....she wasn't asked about Farrakhan.... virtualobserver Nov 2015 #82
That's how she conducted her campaign. senz Nov 2015 #88
What do you expect? He husband oversaw the execution of a KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #97
And yet Obama instantly hooked up with hateful, incindary anti gay preachers like Caldwell and Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #110
See, this is one reason I don't like Hillary... tex-wyo-dem Nov 2015 #43
Why? Obama also condemned Wright's "incendiary," "inflammatory," and "appalling" statements. pnwmom Nov 2015 #56
Obama was in damage control... tex-wyo-dem Nov 2015 #63
Hillary was asked for her response. What was she supposed to say? pnwmom Nov 2015 #66
You are spot on GitRDun Nov 2015 #74
There was never anything wrong with what Reverend Wright preached, though. Ken Burch Nov 2015 #91
+1 well said ! lunasun Nov 2015 #153
Nnnnnope. cherokeeprogressive Nov 2015 #28
Exactly. pangaia Nov 2015 #10
Because Wright said America brought 9/11 upon itself. pnwmom Nov 2015 #45
Ahem - America DID bring 9-11 on itself . . . unless you are willing to overlook the deaths of KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #99
Bin Laden's demands were to remove troops from Saudi Arabia. joshcryer Nov 2015 #107
Au contraire, mon ami. The fatwa OBL issued justifying the KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #125
That was a justification not a demand. joshcryer Nov 2015 #140
And how did attacking Obama from the right work out for her AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #131
She also attacked Obama for saying he'd go after Bin Laden in Pakstain jfern Nov 2015 #3
+1 bvf Nov 2015 #16
+ another 1 senz Nov 2015 #19
This this THIS. kath Nov 2015 #40
+1000 nt Live and Learn Nov 2015 #71
You really have to ask Duckhunter935 Nov 2015 #4
Her hard-core supporters don't care what she does. senz Nov 2015 #20
ALWAYS, find excuses. SoapBox Nov 2015 #25
one of her supporters claimed TODAY that Sanders will say anything to get votes Doctor_J Nov 2015 #29
That could be gaslighting, paid commenters, or just a mind f*ck. senz Nov 2015 #32
Yeah, they love using Rovian RW tactics such as attacking the opponent with what their own cui bono Nov 2015 #37
This message was self-deleted by its author 840high Nov 2015 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author senz Nov 2015 #39
This message was self-deleted by its author 840high Nov 2015 #53
Seems right. polly7 Nov 2015 #104
You have apparently forgotten, if you ever knew, pnwmom Nov 2015 #49
Maybe it was the same reason President Obama attacked Jeremiah Wright moobu2 Nov 2015 #5
I thought it was just Republicans who attacked Jeremiah Wright. senz Nov 2015 #7
And Barack Obama. moobu2 Nov 2015 #11
Well, since Hill & the Repubs attacked Wright to tear down Obama senz Nov 2015 #18
I love back track dances. leftofcool Nov 2015 #21
Ohh, you again... senz Nov 2015 #22
They seem to be unable to understand the difference notadmblnd Nov 2015 #113
Yep, they think we are not smart Duckhunter935 Nov 2015 #116
As they used to say in those beer commercials rocktivity Nov 2015 #13
She had to in order to win. Did not vote for her. bravenak Nov 2015 #15
She had to in order to win. AlbertCat Nov 2015 #23
You notice where I said I did not vote for her? That stuff is why. bravenak Nov 2015 #24
IOKIYAR/IOKIYHC beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #26
Imagine having to twist yourself into a double pretzel by defending who you are pretending to like cui bono Nov 2015 #44
LOL! beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #48
It is not very difficult. I just think about how I'm a house whatever/have stockholm syndrome and bravenak Nov 2015 #52
It comes naturally to slacktivists. 99Forever Nov 2015 #108
She may or may not be recpetive to Black Liberation Theology, cheapdate Nov 2015 #27
Certainly "God damn the 1%" would be. senz Nov 2015 #35
Oh, I don't know. Hillary Clinton is an intelligent and engaged person. cheapdate Nov 2015 #58
Hillary is a Capitalist. Capitalism works for her and hers. So why KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #102
Since your trying to score points from Jeremiah Wright you should read this... MrWendel Nov 2015 #30
Thanks for the reality check. It wasn't just HRC who denounced Wright. n/t pnwmom Nov 2015 #57
I am constantly amazed at the ability of oppressed peoples senz Nov 2015 #62
Wright was right! And so was Hughes - nt KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #103
People like Hillary made Wright toxic enough for Obama jfern Nov 2015 #75
Therefore... MrWendel Nov 2015 #93
That's sure how it seemed at the time. polly7 Nov 2015 #101
Wow! is there anything people won't dredge up to smear Clinton? LonePirate Nov 2015 #31
I am a person faithful. 840high Nov 2015 #34
Me too. And I supported Obama's election and reelection. senz Nov 2015 #36
They are trying to portray her as a racist. Beacool Nov 2015 #123
They are trying to portray her as a racist. AlbertCat Nov 2015 #126
Bull. It has nothing to do with her racial attitudes. senz Nov 2015 #129
Rev. Wright is in the rear view mirror of both Hillary and Obama. oasis Nov 2015 #130
For the same reasons Obama called the sermons "incendiary," "inflammatory" and "appalling." pnwmom Nov 2015 #38
+1 /nt nsd Nov 2015 #54
I remember anyone who suggested the 9/11 attacks were blow-back, were accused of the same thing. That Guy 888 Nov 2015 #72
When I watched that sermon, I was nodding my head in agreement. artislife Nov 2015 #50
Me too arikara Nov 2015 #60
There were multiple sermons. You might not have heard the worst. n/t pnwmom Nov 2015 #64
The repubs used snippets out of several sermons to make it sound senz Nov 2015 #76
Neither Obama nor Clinton could have supported the statements of a minister pnwmom Nov 2015 #77
Rev. Wright wasn't running for anything. senz Nov 2015 #81
The OP asked why Hillary "attacked" Wright. She criticized him for the same reason Obama did. pnwmom Nov 2015 #85
She did NOT senz Nov 2015 #86
Obama said that if he had been in attendance when Wright made some of those pnwmom Nov 2015 #89
+Infinity! - nt KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #105
I always felt bad for Reverend Wright. polly7 Nov 2015 #98
Because her handlers commissioned yet another focus group? MrMickeysMom Nov 2015 #70
Man... I Wish I Would Have Thought About That One... WillyT Nov 2015 #80
For the same reason Obama did: Jeremiah Wright was a self-aggrandizing jerk. nsd Nov 2015 #84
^^^^^ Thread should end right here ^^^^^ JoePhilly Nov 2015 #120
ONLY if you want to reframe the discussion away from Hillary. senz Nov 2015 #132
Bad Hillary, Bad. JoePhilly Nov 2015 #134
Only if ethics and principles matter. senz Nov 2015 #135
Same reason Obama threw him under the bus McCamy Taylor Nov 2015 #87
Exactly!!! Beacool Nov 2015 #122
Never can forgive her Truprogressive85 Nov 2015 #90
Because Hillary is a Goldwater girl. She is slightly to the left of Nixon and slightly to the right Monk06 Nov 2015 #92
Awesome! You should consider making this an OP and elaborating on its themes - nt KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #106
Yup, I strongly encourage that move. Let's see how left we need to be. oasis Nov 2015 #133
whoa!!! wendylaroux Nov 2015 #115
I'm waiting for the "not a Christian!" thing.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #95
Why? Because she has no ethical standards. An opponent's religion should be sacrosanct. <nt> AtomicKitten Nov 2015 #96
Ummm.... Skidmore Nov 2015 #100
Do or say ANYTHING to try to win. There are no limits or ethics. 99Forever Nov 2015 #109
Hillary is not our Friend madokie Nov 2015 #111
I love the whole "afraid" thing. NCTraveler Nov 2015 #112
It's called politics. Beacool Nov 2015 #114
It's called truth. 99Forever Nov 2015 #117
No, it's called desperation. Beacool Nov 2015 #121
Facts are facts. 99Forever Nov 2015 #124
This whole thread is nonsense. Beacool Nov 2015 #141
Out of hand dismissals don't change truths. 99Forever Nov 2015 #146
Wasn't the pastor used to smear Obama in the 2008 campaign? Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2015 #127
Old news got anything more recent? FloridaBlues Nov 2015 #136
Same reason Bill Clinton attacked Sister Souljah (same reason she'll pull a Sister Souljah on BLM) Attorney in Texas Nov 2015 #137
Why does the sun shine? Why Does Hillary say anything? She thought it would win her votes! Bernblu Nov 2015 #138
OTOH: Hillary atends "Prayer Breakfasts" with the "C" Street "Family". bvar22 Nov 2015 #139
I know! What a Republican thing to do. senz Nov 2015 #142
Bingo. jwirr Nov 2015 #150
She thought she was inevitable, plain and simple. You forgot, Never saw that Mr. Obama would win! akbacchus_BC Nov 2015 #145
It's true, Clinton became really annoying in 2008 ecstatic Nov 2015 #147
She's a neoliberal hawk when she's herself jfern Dec 2015 #162
Because she's a typical politician who wants to be President. jalan48 Nov 2015 #148
Because she is totally not into racist demagoguery (anymore). nt Romulox Nov 2015 #151
Kick !!! WillyT Nov 2015 #152
Because he is an idiot. Vattel Nov 2015 #154
She, her husband, and their surrogates thought they could win with RACIST rhetoric. Liberal_Stalwart71 Dec 2015 #155
not relevant to shit today at all. However, Jeremiah Wright did say some crazy, hateful, ericson00 Dec 2015 #165
simple racism Truprogressive85 Dec 2015 #167
I thought Jeremiah Wright ended up looking unhinged bigtree Dec 2015 #168
She can't handle the truth Cheese Sandwich Dec 2015 #170

ForgoTheConsequence

(4,846 posts)
2. She couldn't win based on her accomplishments and merits?
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 11:33 PM
Nov 2015

Why did she have to turn Wright into the angry, scary, black, America hating preacher?

firebrand80

(2,760 posts)
6. Why did Obama distance himself from Wright?
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 11:39 PM
Nov 2015

He did it for the same reason Hillary used the issue, because it was bad for Obama politically.

It's a little naive to suggest that candidates won't attack each other's weaknesses. This isn't Middle School class president.

 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
8. it only exposed her own weakness...
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 11:43 PM
Nov 2015

which is why she didn't win become President....middle school class or otherwise.

 

left lowrider

(97 posts)
42. Thats why she lost my vote in 2008
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 01:19 AM
Nov 2015

I switched to Obama when her attacks showed her inability to be a true leader and take the high road. . . which is the true way to defeat republicans.

firebrand80

(2,760 posts)
118. Obama is an extremely talented campaigner
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 10:43 AM
Nov 2015

Hillary is good, not great.

Hillary had a terrible strategy, her team didn't understand the delegate system. Obama had multiple offices in some of the states beyond Super Tuesday months before Hilary's team even showed up to the state.

She had the wrong message. She was the establishment candidate in a change election. By the time she modified her message, it was too late.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
144. Her strategy was attack from the right
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 04:08 AM
Nov 2015

And throw negative stink bombs. All Obama had to do was stand on the debate stage and shake his head in disgust.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
143. She lost because she was so negative
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 04:04 AM
Nov 2015

And constantly attacking from the right.

When she loses the primary, will the Third Way® give her a refund on the trojan horse they built for her?

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
156. One of the reasons she lost was because she turned off a lot of black people with her
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 12:25 AM
Dec 2015

subtle and something explicit racist rhetoric. No Democrat can win without the black vote.

TRUTH!!!

firebrand80

(2,760 posts)
119. My point is Obama threw Wright under the bus
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 10:47 AM
Nov 2015

He could have stood up for him. He could have said "this is a smear campaign, let's focus on the issues." He didn't. He cut ties with Wright.

Why?

For the same reason Hillary attacked him. He wanted to win.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
128. Obama cut his ties with Wright to survive the election.
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 02:17 PM
Nov 2015

He had to. Given what we both know about racial politics in America, Obama had no choice.

Hillary, otoh, did not have to jump on the "Obama belongs to an America-hating Black church" swiftboat in order to survive politically. She did it as an option, and her choice to do so was congruent with other other falsehoods about Obama (Muslim, etc.) that she pushed in her DIRTY POOL campaign tactics.

That is the difference. She attempts to destroy her opponents with lies. I have not seen Obama do that. And I have not seen Bernie do it either.

Do not try to dumb this discussion down to "Well he did a bad thing too, so they both did bad things." This is about the willingness to destroy one's opponents with falsehoods.

It's about character. So quit yer wiggling.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
149. Why did Obama cut ties with ACORN?
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 06:40 PM
Nov 2015

...an organization that had done nothing wrong except to be attacked by Brietbart no less.

Obama and the Democratic Leadership cut and ran so fast from ACORN that only smoke trails were left.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
157. Obama DID NOT cut ties with ACORN! You are wrong! Congress cut their budget, holding them hostage
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 12:27 AM
Dec 2015

He had no choice. Congress destroyed a lot of programs and tied them to the stimulus and Omnibus budget. It was either that not have any stimulus or other required spending bill at all.

You really should remember history.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
163. A popular President with a MANDATE for CHANGE?
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 02:24 PM
Dec 2015

Have you never heard of the Bully Pulpit?
Obama uses it effectively when he wants something.
His did NOTHING to support ACORN.


Please post excerpts where President Obama and his Democratic Majority in BOTH houses defended ACORN.
I can't seem to find any.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
166. You are wrong! I work for HUD. You are totally WRONG! You don't know how the budget
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 10:14 AM
Dec 2015

process works at all. Has nothing to do with bully pulpit. That is a symbolic gesture. Again, you are 100% WRONG!!

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
169. Where are your links for Obama's public defense of ACORN?
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:54 PM
Dec 2015

Surely is should be easy for YOU to find them because I'm so terribly wrong.
I only lived through that shameful episode where ACORN was banished.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
41. Obama himself said the sermons were "incendiary" "inflammatory" and "appalling."
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 01:18 AM
Nov 2015

So who was Obama racially swift-boating? Himself?

No candidate was going to support a minister who said, "God damn America" -- no matter what the context or how righteous the anger.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/14/obama.minister/index.html?eref=rss_us

In another sermon, Wright had said America had brought the September 11 attacks upon itself.

Obama denounced some of Wright's sermons on Friday, telling CNN's Anderson Cooper: "These are a series of incendiary statements that I can't object to strongly enough."

Earlier Friday, before the announcement of Wright's departure from the Obama camp, the Illinois senator denounced some of the ministers's sermons, calling them "inflammatory and appalling."

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
46. It was a disappointment.
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 01:22 AM
Nov 2015

I remember my brother and I talking at the time about what a shame it was.


pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
47. My understanding is that he was a good minister at one point
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 01:23 AM
Nov 2015

but there was no way Obama could support the kinds of sermons he began to make.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
51. Too bad, because even if they were "hard" to hear
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 01:28 AM
Nov 2015

there were so much truth in them. My initial reaction to 9/11 was "Who did we piss off, and who did we not listen to?" We treat the world so poorly, it was just a matter of time before the backlash would visit us.


Dreadful foreign policy.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
55. He said "God damn America" in a sermon.
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 01:32 AM
Nov 2015

No matter what the context or how righteous the anger, no candidate for President would have continued to associate himself with this person.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
83. Yes, I know he had to distance him because of that phrase
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 02:27 AM
Nov 2015

if he was to have a political career.

But I thought Rev Wright was correct. Maybe because I am an atheist, the phrase doesn't hit me the same as those who believe in damnation but I think we need a serious bout of self reflection on how we treat the rest of the world. Damn, how we treat our own, look at what we are allowing to happen to the African American community. So yes, God Damn America. We are not some hallowed nation, no sacred place, no royal blood above the fray. We are and have been shitty to the earth and the critters that live here, including its people. We will get nowhere until we become fully responsible for our policies, our behaviors as we lead the world over the edge.


I am no blind patriot.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
158. What part of this do you disagree...
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 12:30 AM
Dec 2015

"And the United States of America government, when it came to treating her citizens of Indian descent fairly, she failed. She put them on reservations. When it came to treating her citizens of Japanese descent fairly, she failed. She put them in internment prison camps. When it came to treating her citizens of African descent fairly, America failed. She put them in chains, the government put them on slave quarters, put them on auction blocks, put them in cotton field, put them in inferior schools, put them in substandard housing, put them in scientific experiments, put them in the lowest paying jobs, put them outside the equal protection of the law, kept them out of their racist bastions of higher education and locked them into positions of hopelessness and helplessness. The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing "God Bless America". No, no, no, not God Bless America. God damn America — that's in the Bible — for killing innocent people. God damn America, for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America, as long as she tries to act like she is God, and she is supreme. The United States government has failed the vast majority of her citizens of African descent"

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
159. "God damn America." The language was, as Obama said, incendiary,
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 12:34 AM
Dec 2015

inflammatory, and appalling. The context doesn't justify it.

No Presidential candidate could endorse this statement.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
160. Either black lives matter or they don't. Rev. Wright was clearly stating that, according to the U.S.
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 02:04 AM
Dec 2015

Govt., they do not. And, heaven forbid that any black lives matter activist state that plainly. Obama's characterization of Wright's speech as incendiary was worse that Wright's speech. Obama shut down all conversation of real grievances. Pretended that they did and do not exist.

'Oh, that angry black man. He's just trying to get people riled up for no good reason at all.'

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
161. "Obama's characterization of Wright's speech as incendiary was worse than Wright's speech."
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 02:08 AM
Dec 2015

Not much point in talking to an Obama hater.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
78. When everyone was yakking about "what we should do" after 9/11
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 02:16 AM
Nov 2015

I said, "Why don't we ask them why they did it?" and got laughed into silence.

Since then, I've given it enough thought (and it's really not that hard) that it seems inevitable they would attack us and also that they won't stop until we get out of their countries and deal with them through diplomacy and treaties like we do our western counterparts.

I wonder how would we like it if they had military bases in the United States?

Yes, dreadful foreign policy.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
164. The entire Middle East from Palistine to Iran had motive to attack us.
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 02:31 PM
Dec 2015

We have been fucking those countries and the People for over 60 years.
Its about time they got pissed.....

 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
59. The RW took Wright's words out of context....SOP
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 01:36 AM
Nov 2015

they cherry picked phrases.....that is just what they do.

Unlike the delusional RW preachers, Wright was referencing actual injustice. His words were not easy to hear, but he spoke the truth.

Hillary showed how low she could go by piling on, and joining in with the RW attacks on Obama.

That is where she lost me for good.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
61. Obama denounced the statements even more than Hillary did.
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 01:38 AM
Nov 2015

So he should have lost you for good, too.

 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
67. No, it was Hillary's self righteous responses and willingness to use this issue....
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 01:47 AM
Nov 2015

that lost me. It showed me that she could not be trusted.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
69. Obama said the statements were "incendiary" "inflammatory" and "appalling."
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 01:48 AM
Nov 2015

What she said wasn't any worse.

 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
73. what she said was much worse
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 02:01 AM
Nov 2015

she attacked Obama

quote from a debate

"it is clear that, as leaders, we have a choice who we associate with and who we apparently give some kind of seal of approval to. And I think that it wasn’t only the specific remarks but some of the relationships with Reverend Farrakhan, with giving the church bulletin over to the leader of Hamas, to put a message in.

In another interview she was just as bad.....He’s not a Muslim, “as far as I know.”.......the interviewer kept asking and she refused to answer that he was a Christian without adding the qualifier “as far as I know.”

She was gleefully trying to link him to Wright, Farrakhan and Hamas, and echoing the Republican Muslim meme.... . That is some sick shit.

 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
82. but she brought it up in the debate.....she wasn't asked about Farrakhan....
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 02:27 AM
Nov 2015

or Hamas.....classic attempt at a smear.....she was throwing gasoline on the flames.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
97. What do you expect? He husband oversaw the execution of a
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 07:53 AM
Nov 2015

cognitively diasbled inmate in 1992 to "prove" he was "tough on crime." They don't come much sicker than our Macbeth and Lady Macbeth.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
110. And yet Obama instantly hooked up with hateful, incindary anti gay preachers like Caldwell and
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 09:29 AM
Nov 2015

McClurkin and held an entire tour with them, McClurkin infamous for his 700 Club rants calling for open warfare against LGBT and accusing us of trying to kill Christian children. Obama saw fit to support those who made that sort of sermon. So how does all of that add up, really?

tex-wyo-dem

(3,190 posts)
43. See, this is one reason I don't like Hillary...
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 01:19 AM
Nov 2015

Rather than attacking Obama on policy, or highlighting why her positions differ from his, she decided to go below the belt and use a RW personal attack to try to damage Obama.

Anything to win, eh?

She's a hack, just every RW/GOP candidate out there.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
56. Why? Obama also condemned Wright's "incendiary," "inflammatory," and "appalling" statements.
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 01:34 AM
Nov 2015

Any candidate for President would condemn a minister who, in a sermon, said "God damn America."


http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/14/obama.minister/index.html?eref=rss_us

In another sermon, Wright had said America had brought the September 11 attacks upon itself.

Obama denounced some of Wright's sermons on Friday, telling CNN's Anderson Cooper: "These are a series of incendiary statements that I can't object to strongly enough."

Earlier Friday, before the announcement of Wright's departure from the Obama camp, the Illinois senator denounced some of the ministers's sermons, calling them "inflammatory and appalling."

tex-wyo-dem

(3,190 posts)
63. Obama was in damage control...
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 01:43 AM
Nov 2015

Against the attacks the GOP had very effectively catapulted into the MMM.

Hillary just took it upon herself to use it as a tool against her Dem opponent.

Hack political games.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
66. Hillary was asked for her response. What was she supposed to say?
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 01:46 AM
Nov 2015

That it was fine for a minister to blame the US for 9/11 and to say "God damn America"?

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
91. There was never anything wrong with what Reverend Wright preached, though.
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 03:12 AM
Nov 2015

Reverend Wright was never anti-white, he was pro-liberation. There was no honorable reason for HRC to make wright the issue. And having done so, she forfeited any right to claim to be against institutional racism(being against racism means you have to support those in the liberation struggle).

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
45. Because Wright said America brought 9/11 upon itself.
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 01:21 AM
Nov 2015

And other things that Obama himself said were "incendiary," "inflammatory," and "appalling."

But what would he know?

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/14/obama.minister/index.html?eref=rss_us

In another sermon, Wright had said America had brought the September 11 attacks upon itself.

Obama denounced some of Wright's sermons on Friday, telling CNN's Anderson Cooper: "These are a series of incendiary statements that I can't object to strongly enough."

Earlier Friday, before the announcement of Wright's departure from the Obama camp, the Illinois senator denounced some of the ministers's sermons, calling them "inflammatory and appalling."

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
99. Ahem - America DID bring 9-11 on itself . . . unless you are willing to overlook the deaths of
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 08:03 AM
Nov 2015

500,000 Iraqi children during the 90s . . . or conclude in some malignant fashion that their deaths were 'worth it.' By my calculations, America still stands to lose another 497,000 civilians before the scales are even close to being balanced. And that's before Operation Shocking and Awful which killed, wounded or displaced 25% of Iraq's pre-war population. Extrapolating from that %, America is in debt now to the tune of 50-75 million Americans.

joshcryer

(62,265 posts)
107. Bin Laden's demands were to remove troops from Saudi Arabia.
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 08:49 AM
Nov 2015

Which Bush complied with, btw.

You're tying 9/11 to Iraq when no such connection exists.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
125. Au contraire, mon ami. The fatwa OBL issued justifying the
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 12:28 PM
Nov 2015

strike listed 4 reasons, troops in SA being merely one. The 500,000 Iraqi children who died during the 90s from preventable diseases that couldn't be treated thanks to our sanctions was a 2nd reason. People tend to forget those children and SoS Albright's chilling rationale for their deaths. OBL and al Zawahiri didn't forget, nor have the people of the ME.

a huge karmic debt remains to be paid. 9-11 was merely the down payment.

joshcryer

(62,265 posts)
140. That was a justification not a demand.
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 07:28 PM
Nov 2015

He did not demand Iraq sanctions be lifted.

Every one can rant about their reasons for murder, and if you pick it a part like you do, you can make it sound reasonable. You can quote any evil person in history that way and get a thread with 300 recs.

Radical jehadists hate western decedent society. They will find reasons. Saddam built a half dozen castles in Iraq during the sanctions, some with open air fresh water ponds larger than the capital mall. Blaming those deaths on the US is not that black and white.

jfern

(5,204 posts)
3. She also attacked Obama for saying he'd go after Bin Laden in Pakstain
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 11:34 PM
Nov 2015

And she also attacked him for being too strongly for gun control.

Basically, Hillary attacks her opponents for anything and everything, and doesn't worry about self consistency.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
16. +1
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 12:08 AM
Nov 2015

That won't stop her from embracing Obama 100% when it serves her purposes, either.

Which way was the wind blowing, again?

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
19. + another 1
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 12:18 AM
Nov 2015

It's like she has no principled center. There's nothing there but greed and power hunger, neither of which are Democratic values.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
4. You really have to ask
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 11:37 PM
Nov 2015

She does anything when it is convenient. She changes positions due to her polls. She will continue moving to the right and I feel sorry for the supporters she is duping.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
20. Her hard-core supporters don't care what she does.
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 12:21 AM
Nov 2015

Nor do they care about her stand on the issues. They always find excuses.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
29. one of her supporters claimed TODAY that Sanders will say anything to get votes
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 12:59 AM
Nov 2015

They are as a group completely blocking out reality

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
32. That could be gaslighting, paid commenters, or just a mind f*ck.
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 01:08 AM
Nov 2015

There is something incredibly unhealthy about it. I'm starting to think it's a waste of time dealing with anyone who spouts nonsense or abuse.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
37. Yeah, they love using Rovian RW tactics such as attacking the opponent with what their own
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 01:15 AM
Nov 2015

candidate actually does.

Response to senz (Reply #20)

Response to 840high (Reply #33)

Response to senz (Reply #39)

polly7

(20,582 posts)
104. Seems right.
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 08:14 AM
Nov 2015

I think they're very comfortable with the status quo and debate on the issues is just lip-service, which is, imo, inexcusable, when so many are suffering.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
49. You have apparently forgotten, if you ever knew,
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 01:26 AM
Nov 2015

that Wright said America brought 9/11 upon itself. As well as other things that candidate Obama said were "incendiary," "inflammatory," and "appalling."

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/14/obama.minister/index.html?eref=rss_us


In another sermon, Wright had said America had brought the September 11 attacks upon itself.

Obama denounced some of Wright's sermons on Friday, telling CNN's Anderson Cooper: "These are a series of incendiary statements that I can't object to strongly enough."

Earlier Friday, before the announcement of Wright's departure from the Obama camp, the Illinois senator denounced some of the ministers's sermons, calling them "inflammatory and appalling."

moobu2

(4,822 posts)
5. Maybe it was the same reason President Obama attacked Jeremiah Wright
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 11:37 PM
Nov 2015
"I am outraged by the comments that were made and saddened by the spectacle that we saw yesterday... The person that I saw yesterday was not the person that I met 20 years ago. His comments were not only divisive and destructive, but I believe that they end up giving comfort to those who prey on hate, and I believe that they do not portray accurately the perspective of the black church. They certainly don't portray accurately my values and beliefs. And if Reverend Wright thinks that that's political posturing, as he put it, then he doesn't know me very well. And based on his remarks yesterday, well, I may not know him as well as I thought either.... What became clear to me is that he was presenting a world view that contradicts who I am and what I stand for, and what I think particularly angered me was his suggestion somehow that my previous denunciation of his remarks were somehow political posturing. Anybody who knows me and anybody who knows what I'm about knows that I am about trying to bridge gaps and I see the commonality in all people. ...[A]fter seeing Reverend Wright's performance, I felt as if there was a complete disregard for what the American people are going through and the need for them to rally together to solve these problems. ...[W]hatever relationship I had with Reverend Wright has changed, as a consequence of this."
- Barack Obama
 

senz

(11,945 posts)
7. I thought it was just Republicans who attacked Jeremiah Wright.
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 11:41 PM
Nov 2015

Oh ... yeah ... Republicans and Hillary.

moobu2

(4,822 posts)
11. And Barack Obama.
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 11:55 PM
Nov 2015
"I am outraged by the comments that were made and saddened by the spectacle that we saw yesterday... The person that I saw yesterday was not the person that I met 20 years ago. His comments were not only divisive and destructive, but I believe that they end up giving comfort to those who prey on hate, and I believe that they do not portray accurately the perspective of the black church. They certainly don't portray accurately my values and beliefs. And if Reverend Wright thinks that that's political posturing, as he put it, then he doesn't know me very well. And based on his remarks yesterday, well, I may not know him as well as I thought either.... What became clear to me is that he was presenting a world view that contradicts who I am and what I stand for, and what I think particularly angered me was his suggestion somehow that my previous denunciation of his remarks were somehow political posturing. Anybody who knows me and anybody who knows what I'm about knows that I am about trying to bridge gaps and I see the commonality in all people. ...[A]fter seeing Reverend Wright's performance, I felt as if there was a complete disregard for what the American people are going through and the need for them to rally together to solve these problems. ...[W]hatever relationship I had with Reverend Wright has changed, as a consequence of this." - President Obama - April 2008
 

senz

(11,945 posts)
18. Well, since Hill & the Repubs attacked Wright to tear down Obama
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 12:14 AM
Nov 2015

and Obama attacked Wright to keep from being torn down, one could say that each of them attacked Wright to get elected. Only Hillary did it as part of dirty campaigning. (Nice candidate ya got there!)

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
22. Ohh, you again...
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 12:33 AM
Nov 2015

... you wouldn't be alert stalking me, now would you, honey?

Don't think I'd miss much if you were on ignore. bye...

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
113. They seem to be unable to understand the difference
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 09:56 AM
Nov 2015

between denouncing a divisive figure, i.e Obama denouncing Rev Wright and HRC denouncing Obama (her opponent) for being associated with him at one point in time. Instead they say Obama did it too which is untrue. Obama never denounced HRC for who she at one time associated herself with.

It is this type of intentional obtuseness by HRC supporters who think Sanders supporters are to thick to discern.

Their argument here clearly fails.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
24. You notice where I said I did not vote for her? That stuff is why.
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 12:49 AM
Nov 2015

It is not coming from her side this time!!! No. It comes from others and it will help her WIN.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
26. IOKIYAR/IOKIYHC
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 12:51 AM
Nov 2015

I'm just glad my candidate doesn't have that kind of baggage, I'd hate to have to twist myself into a pretzel defending it. Actually I'd probably just switch to the guy who didn't run a racist campaign. Why settle?


cui bono

(19,926 posts)
44. Imagine having to twist yourself into a double pretzel by defending who you are pretending to like
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 01:20 AM
Nov 2015

against the one you actually like more but now hate and want to make lose because of someone on the internet!

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
52. It is not very difficult. I just think about how I'm a house whatever/have stockholm syndrome and
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 01:29 AM
Nov 2015

it becomes like second nature. I do like Bernie. I'd rather help her beat him than have him win after all this.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
108. It comes naturally to slacktivists.
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 09:02 AM
Nov 2015

Having zero principles makes extreme moral flexibility normal.

cheapdate

(3,811 posts)
27. She may or may not be recpetive to Black Liberation Theology,
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 12:57 AM
Nov 2015

but "God damn the United States!" is a bridge too far for Hillary Clinton in so many ways.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
35. Certainly "God damn the 1%" would be.
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 01:13 AM
Nov 2015

I doubt she would be interested in Black Liberation Theology and I seriously doubt she would have attacked Wright if he hadn't have been Obama's pastor.

cheapdate

(3,811 posts)
58. Oh, I don't know. Hillary Clinton is an intelligent and engaged person.
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 01:36 AM
Nov 2015

I would expect that she could engage the concepts of Black Liberation Theology in a thoughtful manner under the right circumstances. Maybe she would find some merit or understanding in it. I honestly have no idea. But the Jeremiah Wright "controversy" was miles away from the "right circumstances."

She would undoubtedly distance herself from "God damn the 1%!" also -- for the same, and for different reasons.

Hillary Clinton has a thoroughly conventional view of American government, business, and civics. She is not the one who will bring radical change to the American style of capitalism.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
102. Hillary is a Capitalist. Capitalism works for her and hers. So why
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 08:10 AM
Nov 2015

would she even begin to think of changing a system whence she so manifestly benefits?

MrWendel

(1,881 posts)
30. Since your trying to score points from Jeremiah Wright you should read this...
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 01:03 AM
Nov 2015

also. It seems in 2010 he accused Obama of throwing him under the bus. Also said, he blamed his distance from Obama on "Them Jews". So was Obama wrong for doing so?

Jeremiah Wright Is Still Angry at Barack Obama

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/09/what-ever-happened-to-jeremiah-wright/406522/

“Our Halfrican-American president—he don’t want to talk about reparations. It’s not personal responsibility. You’re missing the point. Let’s talk about white-on-black crime.”

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
62. I am constantly amazed at the ability of oppressed peoples
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 01:39 AM
Nov 2015

to be kind to their oppressors. Yet so many are, to their credit. I am always impressed at the ability of people of color, Jewish people, and LGBTs to respond with humor and equanimity when discussing those who abuse them. So it doesn't surprise me when some, like Wright, cannot.

The treatment of AAs in this country has been horrible. And it is still going on. It is inhuman. It is a terrible stain on this nation. However, I am sorry that Wright feel into the same moral failing if he did, indeed, blame the Jews.

Wright was the Obama family pastor for about 20 years and baptized Malia and Sasha. It must have been hard for Obama to let him go. The Repubs were playing video excerpts of the worst of Wright -- only a few minutes of blowing his stack -- over and over on youtube. Obama had to disassociate himself from Wright. I understand why he did and I also understand why Wright would be angry. Politics is a tough, hard vocation.

Wright was terribly hurt by racial injustice against himself and his people and it affected him. He makes me think of this poem:


Harlem
By Langston Hughes

What happens to a dream deferred?

Does it dry up
like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore—
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over—
like a syrupy sweet?

Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.

Or does it explode?

jfern

(5,204 posts)
75. People like Hillary made Wright toxic enough for Obama
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 02:06 AM
Nov 2015

that he felt he really had to distance himself from Wright.

MrWendel

(1,881 posts)
93. Therefore...
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 03:34 AM
Nov 2015

Hilary caused Rev Wright to call him a "Halfrican American" and that he was being controlled by "Them Jews".....



Riiiiiiiiiiiight.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
101. That's sure how it seemed at the time.
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 08:09 AM
Nov 2015

The whole thing was very sad, for Wright and Obama. Broke my heart to watch it unfold.

LonePirate

(13,386 posts)
31. Wow! is there anything people won't dredge up to smear Clinton?
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 01:08 AM
Nov 2015

Last edited Fri Nov 27, 2015, 01:56 AM - Edit history (1)

I often wonder at times what party's faithful inhabits this site.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
126. They are trying to portray her as a racist.
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 02:05 PM
Nov 2015

Nonsense.


They are portraying her as the opportunist she is.


She even had to make her Laquan McDonald statement about some thing SHE did "The mothers I met with were right...." No shit Sherlock. (you had to meet with grieving mothers to get it?) Reminding us of what SHE did and that SHE is a mother too! (didja know that?)

That patronizing tone...uuuugh!

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
129. Bull. It has nothing to do with her racial attitudes.
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 02:26 PM
Nov 2015

This is about her campaign tactics. Which are about her character.

No one of normal intelligence would interpret this discussion as a commentary on Hillary's racial attitudes. You are trying to reframe the discussion in order to take the focus off of Hillary's dirty pool campaign tactics and send it in a false direction.

And your attempt failed.

oasis

(49,150 posts)
130. Rev. Wright is in the rear view mirror of both Hillary and Obama.
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 02:32 PM
Nov 2015

Rev. Wright will never be the subject of any of the upcoming debates, yet Bernie supporters constantly complain about Hillary folk being the ones who won't engage in substantive issues.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
38. For the same reasons Obama called the sermons "incendiary," "inflammatory" and "appalling."
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 01:15 AM
Nov 2015

You're really dredging the mud from the bottom now.

Wright was the minister who said Americans deserved 9/11.


http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/14/obama.minister/index.html?eref=rss_us

In another sermon, Wright had said America had brought the September 11 attacks upon itself.

Obama denounced some of Wright's sermons on Friday, telling CNN's Anderson Cooper: "These are a series of incendiary statements that I can't object to strongly enough."

Earlier Friday, before the announcement of Wright's departure from the Obama camp, the Illinois senator denounced some of the ministers's sermons, calling them "inflammatory and appalling."

 

That Guy 888

(1,214 posts)
72. I remember anyone who suggested the 9/11 attacks were blow-back, were accused of the same thing.
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 01:57 AM
Nov 2015

Even when President Obama acknowledged our self-serving meddling in the Middle East (like overthrowing Mohammad Mosaddegh in 1954), it was called "his apology tour" by Faux news and their fellow-travelers.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
50. When I watched that sermon, I was nodding my head in agreement.
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 01:26 AM
Nov 2015

Rev Wright said some truths and the chickens had truly come home to roost.

arikara

(5,562 posts)
60. Me too
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 01:37 AM
Nov 2015

I felt bad that Obama had to throw him under the bus but he never would have stood a chance if he did not do it. The frickin RW media and Hillary was all over it.

I lost respect for everyone over that. I would go to Wright's church and I'm not a churchgoer.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
76. The repubs used snippets out of several sermons to make it sound
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 02:06 AM
Nov 2015

like that's all Wright ever talked about. Early in the controversy, Obama said he went to Wright's church regularly for years and never heard him talk like that. The repubs cherry picked to make a scandal that, given Obama's race, could easily have killed his chances of getting elected -- given what we both know about white America.

I am sure, in his heart of hearts, Obama has felt some of that anger. I feel it, I blow my stack and yell at the TV or radio when another unarmed AA gets murdered by police. Sometimes I cry. And I'm white. So probably most if not all AAs and other people of color become that angry at times. Because they should. They have every right to. There would be something wrong if they didn't.

Wright got used by the repubs and chewed up by a huge political machine bigger than himself. And if by any chance you think his righteous anger was unChristian, check out Jesus' excoriating of the Pharisees in the Book of Matthew and also what he did with the money changers. Righteous people do become very, very angry over injustice and cruelty. May they always.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
77. Neither Obama nor Clinton could have supported the statements of a minister
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 02:16 AM
Nov 2015

who was blaming the US for 9/11 and saying, "God damn America."

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
81. Rev. Wright wasn't running for anything.
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 02:25 AM
Nov 2015

He wasn't making public statements. He was in his church going about his business. He wasn't out in the public eye. He was a private citizen.

Republican (and perhaps Hillary's, I don't recall) opposition research dug up Wright's PAST sermons because he was Obama's pastor and then cherry picked the most inflammatory statements to make Obama look bad. Then they played them constantly through several news cycles in an effort to make it look like this is who Obama was.





pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
85. The OP asked why Hillary "attacked" Wright. She criticized him for the same reason Obama did.
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 02:42 AM
Nov 2015

Neither one could condone the statements of someone who blamed America for the attacks on 9/11 and said, "God damn America."

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
86. She did NOT
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 02:49 AM
Nov 2015

criticize him "for the same reason Obama did." The OP states:

"You don't choose your family, but you choose what church you want to attend." - Hillary Clinton 2008

"I think given all we have heard and seen, would not have been my pastor." - Hillary Clinton 2008


Both of those statements tie Obama to Wright. That was Hillary's purpose in making them. She wasn't interested in criticizing Wright; she was interested in tarnishing Obama through his relationship with Wright.

Those statements were an attack on Obama. Please don't try to rewrite Hillary's history.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
89. Obama said that if he had been in attendance when Wright made some of those
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 02:58 AM
Nov 2015

statements, then Wright would not have been his pastor, either.

So they essentially said the same thing, except Obama added "incendiary," "inflammatory," and "appalling."

polly7

(20,582 posts)
98. I always felt bad for Reverend Wright.
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 08:02 AM
Nov 2015

He did get thrown under the bus. His anger was justified and he should have been regarded as a voice for change, though I do understand what Obama was facing at the time - the racism against him was already so disgusting it made my skin crawl, he had to do what he did, and I'm sure he agonized over it. imho.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
70. Because her handlers commissioned yet another focus group?
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 01:54 AM
Nov 2015

How do I feel about that today?

How did we poll on that subject?

How much money will it take to achieve that message on which social media?

Who's my insider person in the big cable market?

nsd

(2,406 posts)
84. For the same reason Obama did: Jeremiah Wright was a self-aggrandizing jerk.
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 02:34 AM
Nov 2015

When Wright first came into the news in March 2008, it was possible to come up with excuses for him and his words -- he was old, he had been through a lot, one had to walk a mile in his shoes before judging him, etcetera and so forth. But when he came back a month or two later and gave that speech at the National Press Club, it was clear that he was just trying to sabotage Obama. And the only reason I can think of why he would do that is that Wright was a jerk, an egotistical, selfish jerk -- he was jealous or felt aggrieved or whatever. He was trying to undermine a campaign a lot of of us had devoted a lot of ourselves to.

So, I don't care that Clinton attacked him too. He deserved it.
 

senz

(11,945 posts)
132. ONLY if you want to reframe the discussion away from Hillary.
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 02:36 PM
Nov 2015

Because this discussion is about Hillary's campaign tactics. Reread the OP: it consists of two Hillary quotes, for a reason.

She used the Rev. Wright scandal AGAINST Obama. And most of us saw it exactly for what it was: very dirty pool. Typical of Hillary. She makes or insinuates falsehoods against her opponent. She will stoop to any depths to win.

Some of us prefer ethics, principles and conscience in our presidential candidates.

That is the point.



 

senz

(11,945 posts)
135. Only if ethics and principles matter.
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 03:14 PM
Nov 2015

They clearly do not, to her hard-core supporters.

But they do to us.

Live with it.

Beacool

(30,244 posts)
122. Exactly!!!
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 11:34 AM
Nov 2015

Don't you just love the hypocrisy? Hillary is bad, but Obama gets a pass for throwing under the bus his spiritual mentor and someone he knew for over 20 years. The bull in this place never stops.

Truprogressive85

(900 posts)
90. Never can forgive her
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 03:00 AM
Nov 2015

Lost all respect for her when she did it
She knew what she was doing exploiting white fear
The fear that here a black man giving his opinion makes a lot people uncomfortable
The same way Sean Hannity and briebart had the so called video of Derrick Bell and young Obama to rile up conservative white viewers

Monk06

(7,675 posts)
92. Because Hillary is a Goldwater girl. She is slightly to the left of Nixon and slightly to the right
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 03:16 AM
Nov 2015

of Eisenhower That has been the case for every American president since Roosevelt, on the laughably narrow, 'progressive' end of the American left wing political spectrum.

Bernie is Eugene Mc Carthy the pretender.

Hillary is Bobby Kennedy, social liberal but American Exeptionalist to the bone.

While you are worrying about whether Hillary, Bernie, Cruz, Carson or the Donald will be the next master of Lifeboat USA the world will move on.

Meanwhile Lockheed Martin and Exxon Mobil rule your everyday lives with Goldman Sachs lending you the money to purchase your own slavery.

Your choices are limited from disappointment to disaster.

Private ownership is the biggest scam in world history. That is the sytem where a bank convinces you that rent is property. If you have a credit card and a car loan you are already too far gone.

Good luck America , your navel is not a world globe nor is it a manifesto for human emancipation.

By the way, don't be fooled by the Canadian flag, we will circle the toilet one ring ahead of you

madokie

(51,076 posts)
111. Hillary is not our Friend
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 09:35 AM
Nov 2015

the woman will say or so anything that she or her staff thinks might help her in her quest for the whitehouse. I don't trust her for a second. I'll vote for her if she is the nominee because thats the way I am but I sure won't in the primary.
That laugh of hers makes my skin crawl, I know thats pretty shallow on my part but it is what it is

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
112. I love the whole "afraid" thing.
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 09:41 AM
Nov 2015

Really says more about the person typing than anything else. I have never seen a group of people promoting fear like I do Sanders supporters. You really do think this fear you project onto others is real, don't you?

Beacool

(30,244 posts)
114. It's called politics.
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 10:03 AM
Nov 2015

A better question would be why did Obama distance himself from the pastor who officiated at his wedding and baptized his daughters?

What's the purpose of this post? Trying to inflame racial animosity against Hillary because she polls so well with AA?




Beacool

(30,244 posts)
141. This whole thread is nonsense.
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 01:48 AM
Nov 2015

Who cares about Wright in 2015? It seems that only Sanders' supporters.

FloridaBlues

(3,991 posts)
136. Old news got anything more recent?
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 05:19 PM
Nov 2015

Gez maybe trying to win the nomination and perhaps she wouldn't like that particular message he was giving.
I've changed churches because of a certain pastor myself. A lot of people do without malice of religion

akbacchus_BC

(5,700 posts)
145. She thought she was inevitable, plain and simple. You forgot, Never saw that Mr. Obama would win!
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 04:59 AM
Nov 2015

And she will lose again this time.

ecstatic

(32,566 posts)
147. It's true, Clinton became really annoying in 2008
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 11:16 AM
Nov 2015

She's not a great campaigner, unfortunately. I went from being neutral to firmly supporting Obama. But, that's water under the bridge now, at least for grown ups.

Since it's clear that she will be the nominee, let's hope that her campaign strategies are stronger this time around. From what I've seen during the Benghazi hearings, etc., I think she's a lot stronger now. All she has to do is be herself, without fear of polls, etc. That's when she's at her best.

jfern

(5,204 posts)
162. She's a neoliberal hawk when she's herself
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 02:20 AM
Dec 2015

She has a choice between being a neoliberal hawk or someone who is completely insincere. She seems to go back and forth quite a bit.

jalan48

(13,797 posts)
148. Because she's a typical politician who wants to be President.
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 11:24 AM
Nov 2015

Today she's one color, tomorrow another. She hopes people don't notice.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
155. She, her husband, and their surrogates thought they could win with RACIST rhetoric.
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 12:24 AM
Dec 2015

Thank goodness they were wrong.

 

ericson00

(2,707 posts)
165. not relevant to shit today at all. However, Jeremiah Wright did say some crazy, hateful,
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 02:33 PM
Dec 2015

and unpatriotic things. I don't think Obama actually believed his stuff tho: I think Obama attended because thats where voters were.

Truprogressive85

(900 posts)
167. simple racism
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 11:02 AM
Dec 2015

not to sugarcoat it because she thought by exploiting white fear and racist it would gain with white voters

it failed

and would never forget it and don't trust her

bigtree

(85,915 posts)
168. I thought Jeremiah Wright ended up looking unhinged
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 11:12 AM
Dec 2015

...when he got the opportunity to have his say.

Some good points made by Wright; some really kooky ones, as well.

BLT is one thing; Rev. Wright's interpretations of that theology is another.

He wouldn't have been my pastor, either. People are free to make whatever judgment they want about that. FWIW, I believe Hillary. I don't think she would have him as her pastor.

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