Lets compare these quotes......

[ForgoTheConsequence]

“Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all of God’s children.” - Martin Luther King Jr.

""The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism." - Martin Luther King Jr




"Where were we attacked? We were attacked in downtown Manhattan where Wall Street is. I did spend a whole lot of time and effort helping them rebuild. That was good for New York. It was good for the economy and it was a way to rebuke the terrorists who had attacked our country." - Hillary Clinton




Is Wall Street good for our country (everyone in our country?) or is capitalism full of evils just like racism? The two ARE NOT compatible no matter how hard you try to reinvent MLK as a centrist third way democrat.

[leftofcool]

1. Here we go again. Somebody deciding what MLK was or wasn't

[Xipe Totec]

2. insipid and lame retort nt

[bvf]

8. It doesn't even rise to the level of a retort.

Just the predictable noise.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

3. Deciding?

He was very clear about who he was. These are not made up quotes these are powerful statements conveniently ignored by the right wing (in the republican and democratic parties). Do you think MLK was a supporter of market economics? Make a case for it.

[Autumn]

7. So you would rather his beliefs never be discussed because they differ from Hillary's?

Nobody is deciding what MLK was or wasn't they don't need to his words stand alone and are very precise. As is the quote from Hillary hell of a difference there.

[leftofcool]

24. If you really believe this then why not cut and paste this to the AA forum?

[Autumn]

27. I have no interest in posting there and it's not my OP.

However the OP is a primary topic about the comparison of quotes by MLK and Clinton so I think they fit just fine and are a good discussion here in GDP.

[bvf]

9. How the holy fuck does simply quoting someone

become the equivalent of "deciding" who somebody is (or was)?

P.S.

Most people consider MLK to be a "who," rather than a "what." Of course, YMMV.

[bravenak]

10. All day every day

[ForgoTheConsequence]

11. Feel free to post quotes of MLK supporting market capitalism.

I'll wait.


"I imagine you already know that I am much more socialistic in my economic theory than capitalistic. And yet I am not so opposed to capitalism that I have failed to see its relative merits. It started out with a noble and high motive, to block the trade monopolies of nobles, but like most human systems it falls victim to the very thing it was revolting against. So today capitalism has outlived its usefulness. It has brought about a system that takes necessities from the masses to give luxuries to the classes." - Martin Luther King Jr.


There is such a large gap between this quote and the neo-liberal garbage that certain politicians are selling that it cannot be filled no matter how much bullshit is shoveled.


MLK on white moderates....

"First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season."

[bravenak]

12. Did I ever say he supported market capitalism? Nope!

I said his main fight was for racial equality. It was.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

13. Honestly, you haven't said much.

Just a lot of disagreeing without being able to back it up.



His belief in racial equality and his dislike of capitalism were directly related.

"It's much easier to integrate a lunch counter than it is to guarantee an annual income. It's much easier to integrate a bus than it is to get a program that will force the government to put millions of dollars into ending slums". "
It's a wonderful thing to be concerned with integrating public accommodations, integrating the public schools which I will continue to work for with vigor and with zeal, but I've also began to be concerned about the survival of the world of which to be integrating, and these issues to me are tied together in that sense




Please stop perpetuating the white washed history of MLK. So far I have posted documented proof of his linking economic justice and social justice, his dislike of capitalism, and his disappointment in white moderates and liberals. Now feel free to rebuke......

[bravenak]

14. I am not the one white washing the history and leaving black folks out.

I leave that to other people.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

15. Who? Name names.

Racial justice, economic justice, and social justice are not mutually exclusive and to MLK they were intrinsically linked. Again, this is indisputable.

[bravenak]

17. I refuse to name names.

I watched Bernie not mention that the sanitation workers were striking to get the same pay as white sanitation workers. The fact of their race was left out completely in favor of just calling them sanitation wotkers, and the fact that the white ones got living wages was not discussed by him at all. Do you agree with that? With neglecting to mention they were BLACK sanitation workers trying to get the same wages as WHITE Workers? I do not think that is fair. Feels like we were erased and I wish he would not do such. It gets repeated with the facts left out. I know one person here who had written about that very strike previously who was enraged. Unfair of him completely. Tell me that it is perfectly fine to leave out the fact that they were black men trying to get the same wages and treatment already available to whites. Let's hear why we should not find that troubling.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

18. Right, I agree.

Bernie doesn't get it either. In fact, I don't think any of the candidates get it, and that is TROUBLING. My argument for Bernie is that he hits a little bit closer to the mark. As for what you have read on this site, I can't defend any of it. Why anonymity leads to people running their mouths, I don't know.







But this quote from MLK is exactly the reason I cannot support anyone who is a defender of market capitalism at this point.

"but I've also began to be concerned about the survival of the world of which to be integrating, and these issues to me are tied together in that sense." - Martin Luther King Jr.


If there is no world left to be shared, or no resources left to be distributed -for they are all held by a select few-, then any fight for social or racial justice is for nothing. Maybe this sounds a little over dramatic however, I don't think American market capitalism (with it's roots in colonialism, white supremacy, racism, slavery) is sustainable. Wall Street itself started as a slave trading post, it's history is rooted in evil.



Hopefully you can see where I am coming from as a supporter of the candidate further to the left (although still a moderate).

[bravenak]

19. I do see where you are coming from, completely.

And I agree with you on all points. Honestly, I see them all as you do. Moderates. But that is all we are allowed to have until enough are fed up. And they are not fed up yet. I do not see the system as sustainable myself, we are running out of resources to fuel the ability to make these trinkets that keep us content and stupid.

None of them are much better then the others. Bernie's problem is his campaign management imo.
Nobody is telling him the obvious.

Bah! And the internet people are much worse than he is and I wish he'd do a 'they are not on my side it they do _ or _or_.', video. If he called it out, people could know that he opposes that nonsense.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

21. I'm not even sure he knows what's going on on the internet.

Or Hillary for that matter.

And internet people are nasty. I spend more time reading about food than politics and people on recipe blogs can be just as mean for no particular reason.



I agree we will have moderates until something gives. Unfortunately it's a 50/50 chance that the first non moderate will be to the extreme right. Unless we get public election funding and repeal all these restrictive racist voting laws things aren't looking good.

[bravenak]

23. I have seen some CRAZY STUFF on recipe blogs.

One in particular had me laughing so hard I cried.

[F4lconF16]

20. Fuck, he didn't mention it?

Welp. I think that might be it for me.

That's bullshit revisionist don't-make-whites-uncomfortable history if I've ever seen it.

That's utter crap.

I think that may be it. I really can't support that.

[bravenak]

22. I think I should find the video.

People told me it was self explanatory. Not. They say he was being Inclusive. Hmm. Ok. I felt not included but fine.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251842847

[el_bryanto]

4. It's an interesting question

I am very critical of Wall Street and how they operate - they are often an engine of economic destruction, and the continued lack of will in Washington to reinstate proper regulation of Wall Street is aggravating to me. I am also a capitalist - I don't see state run economy working any better than capitalism (and in many ways worse) nor do I favor decentralization of the economy. In fact it is because I am a capitalist that I am so infuriated at the lack of will of our politicians to do anything about the abuses of wall street (and other abuses to be sure) .

I am angry because I believe that Wall Street if properly regulated has an important role to play in our society; that of getting money from people who have it to people who need it (with a proper return). Consider that if our electric grid were run with the same sort of laxity and corruption we tolerate in our money grid we would be up in arms and demand that it be fixed. We wouldn't destroy the electric grid, but simply place it on a less corrupt more accountable footing.

That said, whether you want to see capitalism and wall street abandoned, or you want them regulated and reformed, Hillary Clinton, I'm sorry to say, doesn't seem like the candidate to do either of those things.

Bryant

[ForgoTheConsequence]

5. Great article on how Dr. King was attacked by establishment Democrats and capitalists...

It goes into detail about King's break with the Democratic party, timid Democratic liberals, and how he turned further to the left.


https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/01/martin-luther-king-socialist/

[99Forever]

6. Hey! NO fairs!

How dare you use their own words to convey their messages. Ya got something against weasel words and spin?

[betsuni]

16. How many MLK quotes does it take to change a lightbulb?

Doesn't matter how many, the MLK-OCD quoters will still be in the dark.

[Scuba]

25. K&R

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

26. Wall Street is not Main Street. It's a COMPETITOR for public funding in times of stress.

What the government lavishes on Wall Street takes bread out of the mouths of children and houses from over the heads of everyday citizens.

[truedelphi]

29. Plus my household! n/t

[mmonk]

28. I've noticed people prefer the sanitized

Dr. King, the one that doesn't speak to his Poor People's Campaign or his anti war stands.

[raouldukelives]

30. Capitalism might work, if we could still try it.

I mean, those of us at the bottom live in rugged capitalism, to an extent, but anyone with wealth in or from Wall St is feeding from the corporate welfare trough that is, most assuredly, dooming all life on earth.

But sure, Wall St is good for many in our country and around the globe, as long as they are mostly white, mostly rich or preferably, both.

The more those with the most are invested, the more the least, on behalf of them, are molested.