Hillary Clinton is coming to Boston Faneuil Hall--Mayor Marty Walsh will endorse her

[riversedge]

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/2015/11/23/hillary-clinton-coming-boston-faneuil-hall/h1v3SHlhz0OVPNrX6IoGjP/story.html



Hillary Clinton is coming to Faneuil Hall
And it looks like Mayor Marty Walsh will endorse her at the event.


Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton, second from left, speaks during a forum on substance abuse as Massachusetts Attorney General Maura Healey, left, Boston Mayor Marty Walsh, second from right, and President & CEO of The Dimock Center Myechia Minter-Jordan, right, listen Thursday, Oct. 1, 2015, in Boston. (AP Photo/Steven Senne)
Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton last publicly appeared in Boston on October 1, in a substance abuse forum with Mayor Marty Walsh and Massachusetts Attorney General Maura Healey.
Steven Senne / AP


Boston.com Staff | 11.23.15 | 5:38 PM

Nearly two months since she last visited Boston, Hillary Clinton is returning to the city the Sunday after Thanksgiving.

The Democratic presidential candidate will hold a grassroots organizing meeting with Boston Mayor Marty Walsh at Faneuil Hall.

The Boston Globe reported Thursday that Walsh will endorse Clinton at the event now that his friend Vice President Joe Biden is out of the picture.

“They’ve had a number of great conversations,” a source told the Globe’s Jim O’Sullivan.

[mcar]

1. Should be a great event!

[Iliyah]

2. K & R

[MineralMan]

3. Could someone who knows tell me how to pronounce Faneuil Hall?

Thanks very much.

[MannyGoldstein]

5. The locals pronounce it as 'fannel'

Sometimes as 'Fanyul'.

Oh, and I await your apology for implying I fabricated claims: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=851883

You know, given the behavior of Hillary Supporters...

[MineralMan]

8. So, there are two common pronunciations. OK.

As for your other issue, that's a different thread. I'm through posting in that thread. However, the only place on DU where your quote appeared was, indeed, in your OP. I will not apologize for pointing that out. Sorry.

[merrily]

6. Fan yew ill. Yewer well cum

[merrily]

7. An othur coun tee herd frum--literally and figuratively

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/faneuil

[MineralMan]

9. It appears that both pronunciations are listed

in that dictionary entry. I guess I'll just have to pick one and hope for the best. Thanks.

[merrily]

11. Remember, dictionaries reflect common usage and not necessarily perfection.

So, if the prevailing pronounication is incorrect, the dictionary will nonetheless reflect it. Remember, the Massachusetts pronunciation of Sommerville is something like summahvul. Not exactly a model of enunciation.

BTW, Faneuil has at least 4 pronunciations in Boston, not only 2.

"Faneuil" is, of course, a surname. Contrary to people who reflexively "correct" me about how to pronounce my married surname, the only real authority on how to pronounce Faneuil are members of the Faneuil family. Those of us who are not in their circle can only guess.

[MineralMan]

12. Pronunciation of surnames, especially French ones

is always problematic. There's a lake near my location where I have often fished. It's named Gervais Lake. I was immediately corrected by a local when I pronounced it as a French word. Turns out that everyone around here calls it "Jarvis" Lake. I doubt that the person for whom it is named pronounced his surname as "Jarvis," since he was, indeed, a Frenchman.

My question was to help me decide how to pronounce it, should I ever be in Boston and need to ask directions. I see now, that however pronounce it, some will think my pronunciation to be incorrect. Oh, well. Madrid is pronounce Madrid here in the Midwest, when referring to the earthquake fault. Weird.

[merrily]

13. Ah, why didn't you say so? The perfect solution to that is to carry the word or a pic of Faneuil

Hall, labeled as such, and point to same, if you need directions. But the Freedom Trail is marked in red all over town, so that helps. Just keep your eyes on the ground beneath your feet and follow the, follow the, red brick road. (Okay, sometimes it's red paint, not bricks. Sometimes, it's really bricks.)

Massachusetts folk are no guide to pronouncing anything. A Massachusetts woman was unable to get anyone in San Fransisco to recognize her pronunciation of Mahkit Street, aka Market Street, which is quite well known in San Fransisco. Just think of Mahkee Mahk and the Funky Bunch or watch the Wahlberg reality show--especially Mama Wahlberg-- if you want to hear what a good ole Dorchester accent sounds like. And that would be "Dawchisteh" to yizawl.

Okay, I'll stop now. Looking out my window, I can see pitchforks and torches beginning to gather. Looks as though my mockery may be annoying the natives.

[MADem]

14. FAN you-ell is the way people born and raised in Boston say it. nt

[MineralMan]

15. Then that is how I shall pronounce it, should I ever

have a reason to. So far, in my life, I have not had a reason to, nor do I think I have ever heard it spoken. If I had, I'd remember the pronunciation. I have not visited Boston so far in my life. It's one of the few major cities I have never visited.

[MADem]

16. It's an OK city. It has issues, like lots of places, and it has some incredible history, too.

It has changed a lot down the years--I don't recognize the skyline, I still, even now, blink twice and shake my head at times! It used to be a city with no skyscrapers, save "The Pru" (Prudential building) which was the tallest thing going...until they built the "John Hancock" which was a tower of glass (that promptly started falling on the pedestrians below!). Now, it's got more tall buildings than an old fart like myself could shake a stick at! Affordable neighborhoods are getting hard to come by, too. That pendulum of gentrification is pushing some folks out to the 'burbs.' The tiny apartment in an older relic of a building that I lived in as a poor student is probably worth a half a million or more these days.

If you ever do come, let us know, we'll give you the highlights and lowlights!

[MineralMan]

17. I'm a little surprised that I haven't been there.

I used to travel a lot when I was doing magazine writing, but no event in Boston ever came up that I needed to attend. In other travels, I guess I just didn't find myself there along the way.

It's odd. I should probably plan to visit soon. I have relatives (a niece and her brood) who lives in New Hampshire. Maybe a visit to them would encourage me to see Boston and all of its historic treasures.

I've not been to Philadelphia, either.

"I've never been to Heaven, but I've been to Oklahoma."

[MADem]

18. You guys could do it as a day trip, if you got an early start, easy.

Might be a fun adventure for the family, just to say you've been! You'd only get a slice, but a slice, even, is nice!

I finally got to Philly a few years back--did all the touristy things in a hurry, the Bell, Constitution Hall, etc. I'm a sucker for those historical tours!

[mcar]

23. I love Boston

Spent 5 wonderful post college years there. I still have family there so I love to visit.

If you like history and walking, Boston is a great place to go!

[MannyGoldstein]

19. How authoritarian!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Faneuil_Hall

The proper pronunciation of Faneuil Hall is has long been a subject of discussion in Boston. I was born in Boston, and have lived in the Boston suburbs all my life. I have always rhymed it with "panel", and was taught to do so by my mother, who was born in Cambridge and has lived almost all of her life in the suburbs. Both of her parents, born in Boston, rhymed it with "panel." Veteran newsreaders in Boston, including Natalie Jacobsen, Chet Curtis, and Tom Ellis on television and Gary LaPierre on radio, as well as Frank Avruch, Boston television personality, all rhyme it with "panel".

This pronunciation is considered by many to be the only correct one, but younger people often disagree. For a lifelong resident of Boston to claim to have never even heard this older pronunciation, in view of its prevalence among older media announcers and other public figures, would seen to indicate that they have not been observant enough to be credible on the subject. And to completely delete any reference to the long-preferred pronunciation is absurd; it smacks of petty wikivandalism.

The answering machine at Faneuil Hall Marketplace's phone number rhymes it with "Daniel," not "manual," and clearly not "Manuel." Rhyming it with "manual" is uncommon among native Bostonians, but not unheard-of, but claiming that Bostonians rhyme it with "Manuel" is absurd.

Here's someone who agrees: " ... every Bostonian knows it's fannel like flannel ... and no Bostonian would ever pronounce it wrong." http://www.davidalexandersmith.com/movies/QuiAme030416.html Not decisive, but still, evidence that the "panel" pronunciation should be mentioned.

[MADem]

20. Ha ha--from a guy whose mama was boahn in CAMBRIDGE!!!

I am being facetious, mind you--I've heard the alternative pronunciation, as well as FAN-ul, even Fan-yool, but of Bostonians who pronounce their words, dropped AAAAAAAHS --i.e. R's--notwithstanding--the 'received' pronunciation is FAN you-el.

My great-great grandfather, and my great grandfather, worked at FAN you-el Hall

[m-lekktor]

21. I lived in the area for a few years and pronounced it like that, never heard "fannel" ever. nt

[NurseJackie]

4. Fantastic!

[ismnotwasm]

10. Excellent news!

[Cha]

22. This is so Cool, rivers.. thank you!