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Uh oh! Now Republicans are starting to Feel The Bern. (Original Post) 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 OP
I said that here months ago notadmblnd Nov 2015 #1
Ironic, isn't it? Rod Beauvex Nov 2015 #3
But people swear that if he's elected nothing will get done because notadmblnd Nov 2015 #4
Well, now, that complaint, I feel, carries more weight. Rod Beauvex Nov 2015 #8
I don't feel that HRC will fare any better notadmblnd Nov 2015 #10
True. Rod Beauvex Nov 2015 #11
More like they like him being honest and not bought like so many in both parties are now! cascadiance Nov 2015 #47
I am with you on that randr Nov 2015 #5
60% of Republicans are gonna vote for Bernie? nt Cali_Democrat Nov 2015 #6
Who said that? hootinholler Nov 2015 #7
Bernie's message isn't Nite Owl Nov 2015 #13
exactly notadmblnd Nov 2015 #17
Yep, while out tableing for Bernie, I have had quite a few Republicans express interest in him. nt Live and Learn Nov 2015 #2
Why would that make me want to vote for him? bravenak Nov 2015 #9
Remember how many of us here on DU would lament NorthCarolina Nov 2015 #16
such a great response. You have a wonderful way with words and Karma13612 Nov 2015 #21
It's common sense vs sour grapes I fear. NorthCarolina Nov 2015 #23
Lovely post. Inclusive, not divisive. (n/t) SMC22307 Nov 2015 #29
Thank you NorthCarolina Nov 2015 #32
You're welcome. SMC22307 Nov 2015 #37
Exactly Awesome! (on the applause part) Agony Nov 2015 #44
There are clearly people who think "electability" is the important attribute in a candidate. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2015 #24
No cares how you vote. SMC22307 Nov 2015 #36
LOL bravenak Nov 2015 #43
Now you're getting it... SMC22307 Nov 2015 #45
Ummm hmmm bravenak Nov 2015 #46
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Nov 2015 #12
We always complain about white working class voters voting Republican. stillwaiting Nov 2015 #14
I also think she has a better chance of losing the GE than Sanders notadmblnd Nov 2015 #19
I agree with you. Sanders is stronger in a GE, and he's better for the future of the Dem Party. nt stillwaiting Nov 2015 #20
I fear this as well. I am an old fart (a few months from 62) Karma13612 Nov 2015 #22
+1 n/t lumberjack_jeff Nov 2015 #25
People know Bernie speaks with coviction and people trust him. Snotcicles Nov 2015 #15
Perhaps because of his low percentage of African American support? JaneyVee Nov 2015 #18
Highly illogical. If that were the reason, they'd stay in the GOP to vote for Trump. 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #30
Yes, and all these Republicans will switch parties to vote for him in the primary!!!! MADem Nov 2015 #26
That's a good question. Some no doubt will, but how many remains unclear. 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #27
I don't think non-voters sh ould be characterized from either party libdem4life Nov 2015 #31
Closed primaries might limit participation in many states. MADem Nov 2015 #35
Not until they register. They have opinions and needs that aren't libdem4life Nov 2015 #41
Here is a good related article. CentralMass Nov 2015 #28
Thanks. "Everyday issues..effecting health & well-being" <-- Even Republicans have these 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #34
+1 CentralMass Nov 2015 #49
I've heard with my own ear madokie Nov 2015 #33
Yes they are! pinebox Nov 2015 #38
Ted Cruz? 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #39
Yup! pinebox Nov 2015 #40
I'll look for it. 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #42
Cruz is the best-funded GOP candidate next to Bush. Hortensis Nov 2015 #48

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
1. I said that here months ago
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 10:56 PM
Nov 2015

Republicans will vote for him in hordes. I was ridiculed for it, but I still believe it.

Rod Beauvex

(564 posts)
3. Ironic, isn't it?
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 10:59 PM
Nov 2015

Bernie does by going to the left what other candidates fail to do by going to the right.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
4. But people swear that if he's elected nothing will get done because
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 11:02 PM
Nov 2015

nobody (neither Dems or Repubs in congress) likes him.

Rod Beauvex

(564 posts)
8. Well, now, that complaint, I feel, carries more weight.
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 12:08 AM
Nov 2015

The 1% gravy train has been going on for five decades, and has now become unsustainable, but no one on either side wants to be the one to end it. Democrat or Republican; They ultimately answer to the same people, and those people sure as hell aren't like you and me. And they're not going to bow down to Bernie. Getting him into the White House is only half the battle.

As far as effectiveness, I don't think Bernie will be any less effect that say, President Obama. Though I still get the feeling we'll be needing a new image of the "Dems knife" stabbing Bernie in the back.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
10. I don't feel that HRC will fare any better
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 12:36 AM
Nov 2015

She isn't hated by the 1%, But republicans are not her fans either. She'll either bend further to the right and "compromise" as Obama did, or she'll get nothing done either.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
47. More like they like him being honest and not bought like so many in both parties are now!
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 05:35 PM
Nov 2015

Many voters out there are starting to realize that honesty and integrity are as important as ideology is. I've read other hardcore Republicans in effect saying that on other message boards.

randr

(12,414 posts)
5. I am with you on that
Fri Nov 27, 2015, 11:36 PM
Nov 2015

I have sensed this for some time myself. The over 60% of Republicans who do not want any of their proposed candidates are going to take a look at Bernie and make history.

Nite Owl

(11,303 posts)
13. Bernie's message isn't
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 03:06 AM
Nov 2015

partisan it's universal. He's opening minds and people hear that what he is saying is what they want.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
16. Remember how many of us here on DU would lament
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 10:03 AM
Nov 2015

about how there were so many low income and middle class GOP voters who continually voted against their best interests because they were caught up in the hate cycle generated by Fox and the bulk of cable media?

Bernie is defusing the power of the corporate propagated and funded hate vote mentality, and bringing folks of all stripes together. "When we stand together, there is nothing we cannot accomplish".

Powerful stuff.

So now we have a candidate that can actually accomplish that which we thought so desperately needed, and yet unattainable, and a segment of Democrats are now going to poo poo those monumental gains with a flippant responses like yours.

I personally applaud Senator Sanders for his ability to cut through the fog, and shine a light on the proper course for a better future, and a vibrant America. I would never for an instant think it better to malign him for the reason that he IS able to pull folks from the other side who should never have positioned themselves there in the first place.

Karma13612

(4,554 posts)
21. such a great response. You have a wonderful way with words and
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 11:28 AM
Nov 2015

getting to the point.

Cheers, have a good weekend! And keep feeling the Bern!

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
23. It's common sense vs sour grapes I fear.
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 12:09 PM
Nov 2015

I hope common sense wins the day. Thanks much for your kind response, and hope your weekend is a good one too!

SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
37. You're welcome.
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 01:17 PM
Nov 2015

Kinda reminds me of Dean, who wanted to bring those who left the Democratic Party back into the party. 99%ers of all political stripes are getting hosed, and I think the masses are finally waking up. I just hope they vote accordingly.

Agony

(2,605 posts)
44. Exactly Awesome! (on the applause part)
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 03:13 PM
Nov 2015

"so many low income and middle class GOP voters who continually voted against their best interests because they were caught up in the hate cycle generated by Fox and the bulk of cable media? "

limited exposure to a diverse life experience, education and world view leaves these people with a crippled sense what is in their own long term self interest. Gain their respect and they can listen just fine.

Cheers
Agony

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
24. There are clearly people who think "electability" is the important attribute in a candidate.
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 12:18 PM
Nov 2015

Those people should vote for Sanders.

SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
36. No cares how you vote.
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 01:14 PM
Nov 2015

You've made it clear that you support Hillary only because of perceived slights by Sanders' supporters. I doubt anyone takes who you are or are not voting for seriously.

stillwaiting

(3,795 posts)
14. We always complain about white working class voters voting Republican.
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 09:22 AM
Nov 2015

Many of them USED to vote reliably Democratic.

Bernie can/will bring back many of them to the Democratic Party if he leads the Party in the direction of HIS values. He speaks to working class needs like very few elected Democrats do these days, and they are hearing him.

Hillary will NOT do that. For Hillary, strike that and reverse it. She'll turn OUT the vote against her for the Republicans, and she will have a horrible impact on down-ticket races.

We have a truly great opportunity here, and I really hope we don't blow it.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
19. I also think she has a better chance of losing the GE than Sanders
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 11:13 AM
Nov 2015

If she wins the Democratic nomination she has a better chance of losing the general election because she doesn't have the power of pulling republicans over to the Dem side. Her supporters don't seem to take this into consideration because they think that POC have some kind of super power when it comes to voting Dem. However, I don't think POC can carry an election of a Democrat by themselves yet and republicans will vote in mass against HRC. If this happens, I think we will be past the point of no return for this country and all of our children's futures will be bleak.

Karma13612

(4,554 posts)
22. I fear this as well. I am an old fart (a few months from 62)
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 11:36 AM
Nov 2015

and I worry about everything.

I shouldn't have to worry about my own retirement, but since conversations about SS are so troubling, I am.

I worry about the future that I won't witness.

We are truly at a cross-roads where actions are so consequential. Not just politically but also the life of the planet and it's inhabitants. Sometimes I wonder if the ongoing interest in space exploration, along with more interest and financial support of projects from the private sector, is because of plans of the Kocks and Waltons which include leaving earth to live on other planets or moons and leave the unwashed masses to rot and become extinct on our toxic "3rd rock from the sun".

 

Snotcicles

(9,089 posts)
15. People know Bernie speaks with coviction and people trust him.
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 09:30 AM
Nov 2015

They don't get that "I've been Bullshitted" aftertaste in their ears.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
30. Highly illogical. If that were the reason, they'd stay in the GOP to vote for Trump.
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 12:54 PM
Nov 2015

You know ... that racist scumbag who Bill Clinton 'encouraged' to run for President.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
26. Yes, and all these Republicans will switch parties to vote for him in the primary!!!!
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 12:22 PM
Nov 2015

Or.... will they?


 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
27. That's a good question. Some no doubt will, but how many remains unclear.
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 12:42 PM
Nov 2015

I do think Team Bernie is focusing on voter registration, including changing
registrations in states w/out open primaries. How effective it will be .. who knows.

I guess we'll find out when the fat lady sings.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
31. I don't think non-voters sh ould be characterized from either party
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 12:55 PM
Nov 2015

For whatever reason they feel The System has failed them. If it was just their party, seems to me they would switch.

I think they would overwhelmingly turn to Bernie and give them a reason to register to vote for him under the Big Tent. I also doubt these current polls reflect this bloc

MADem

(135,425 posts)
35. Closed primaries might limit participation in many states.
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 01:10 PM
Nov 2015
https://ballotpedia.org/Closed_primary

It's not a question of "characterization," it's a question of party affiliation.
 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
41. Not until they register. They have opinions and needs that aren't
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 01:45 PM
Nov 2015

Political. That's the risk and the genius of Bernie's entire message. Politics has changed while many weren't noticing or just dropped out. So it's time to notice, make choices and take action.

The two-party stranglehold.other than the party machine , is losing relevancy. Debbie WS and her antics is the picture of that. Trump and Carson on the other side.

*

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
34. Thanks. "Everyday issues..effecting health & well-being" <-- Even Republicans have these
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 01:05 PM
Nov 2015
The bottom line, however, is that when it comes to the everyday issues that affect people’s pocketbooks, their families, their health and well-being, and their futures, everyone has the same concerns. In his own discussions with conservatives, this author notes that both sides agree on the problems we’re all facing. Where we part ways is on the solutions. Once we all understand this, the way is cleared for civil debate and reasoned discussion.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
33. I've heard with my own ear
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 01:02 PM
Nov 2015

republiCONs say they most likely will vote for Bernie Sanders because they like what they're hearing him talk about.

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
38. Yes they are!
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 01:27 PM
Nov 2015
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/11/28/1454820/-Ted-Cruz-in-July-I-like-and-respect-Bernie-Sanders

Earlier this year, on July 23rd, Ted Cruz appeared on Hardball with Chris Matthews, speaking glowingly about Bernie Sanders,

“We need to end this corporate welfare... [It’s] an issue where Bernie and I are in complete agreement...

He’s one of the few Democrats with the courage to stand against it...

I respect honesty in politics… I like and respect Bernie Sanders...

The Democrats, virtually all of them, are supporting this cronyism and corporate welfare. The one person who’s standing up strong is Bernie Sanders.”
 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
39. Ted Cruz?
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 01:33 PM
Nov 2015


But, but ... "Bernie is a Socialist!!!" .. he "won't be able to work with the GOP in Congress"

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
42. I'll look for it.
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 02:00 PM
Nov 2015

Bernie keeps breaking the molds of conventional wisdom re: electoral politics.

It's brilliant, because his opponents never quite know what to expect, but that's
not because Bernie keeps changing positions, it's because he's listening to a different
drummer than the Oligarchs and their M$M 'experts' & pundits.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
48. Cruz is the best-funded GOP candidate next to Bush.
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 06:43 PM
Nov 2015

One guess where most of the money's coming from? Like Farris and Dan Wilks, billionaire brothers who gave Cruz's super pac $15 million -- the donation that we know of from a pair known for preferring to invest without disclosure.

Last month Cruz reported that he picked up Rick Perry's big donors, 6 of them, the biggest fish Texas billionaire Darwin Deason, whose son is closely associated with the Kochs. Then, of course, there ARE the Kochs and the Koch network. Most of their money to an individual candidate is still on hold while they see where it will be best invested. They are VERY interested in Cruz, however.

And, of course, there are all the others who are investing in a Cruz presidency. Like hedge fund magnate Robert Mercer. And so on.

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