2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumUh oh! Now Republicans are starting to Feel The Bern.
What a great 'problem' for Bernie to have. Bodes very well for Sanders in the GE.
https://www.facebook.com/NowThisPolitics/videos/1059180537446769/?fref=nf
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)Republicans will vote for him in hordes. I was ridiculed for it, but I still believe it.
Rod Beauvex
(564 posts)Bernie does by going to the left what other candidates fail to do by going to the right.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)nobody (neither Dems or Repubs in congress) likes him.
Rod Beauvex
(564 posts)The 1% gravy train has been going on for five decades, and has now become unsustainable, but no one on either side wants to be the one to end it. Democrat or Republican; They ultimately answer to the same people, and those people sure as hell aren't like you and me. And they're not going to bow down to Bernie. Getting him into the White House is only half the battle.
As far as effectiveness, I don't think Bernie will be any less effect that say, President Obama. Though I still get the feeling we'll be needing a new image of the "Dems knife" stabbing Bernie in the back.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)She isn't hated by the 1%, But republicans are not her fans either. She'll either bend further to the right and "compromise" as Obama did, or she'll get nothing done either.
Rod Beauvex
(564 posts)I'm really hoping Bernie will use the bully pulpit.
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)Many voters out there are starting to realize that honesty and integrity are as important as ideology is. I've read other hardcore Republicans in effect saying that on other message boards.
randr
(12,414 posts)I have sensed this for some time myself. The over 60% of Republicans who do not want any of their proposed candidates are going to take a look at Bernie and make history.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)hootinholler
(26,449 posts)I didn't see that.
Nite Owl
(11,303 posts)partisan it's universal. He's opening minds and people hear that what he is saying is what they want.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Because republicans LIKE him? Hmmm.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)about how there were so many low income and middle class GOP voters who continually voted against their best interests because they were caught up in the hate cycle generated by Fox and the bulk of cable media?
Bernie is defusing the power of the corporate propagated and funded hate vote mentality, and bringing folks of all stripes together. "When we stand together, there is nothing we cannot accomplish".
Powerful stuff.
So now we have a candidate that can actually accomplish that which we thought so desperately needed, and yet unattainable, and a segment of Democrats are now going to poo poo those monumental gains with a flippant responses like yours.
I personally applaud Senator Sanders for his ability to cut through the fog, and shine a light on the proper course for a better future, and a vibrant America. I would never for an instant think it better to malign him for the reason that he IS able to pull folks from the other side who should never have positioned themselves there in the first place.
Karma13612
(4,554 posts)getting to the point.
Cheers, have a good weekend! And keep feeling the Bern!
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)I hope common sense wins the day. Thanks much for your kind response, and hope your weekend is a good one too!
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)for the kind comment.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)Kinda reminds me of Dean, who wanted to bring those who left the Democratic Party back into the party. 99%ers of all political stripes are getting hosed, and I think the masses are finally waking up. I just hope they vote accordingly.
Agony
(2,605 posts)"so many low income and middle class GOP voters who continually voted against their best interests because they were caught up in the hate cycle generated by Fox and the bulk of cable media? "
limited exposure to a diverse life experience, education and world view leaves these people with a crippled sense what is in their own long term self interest. Gain their respect and they can listen just fine.
Cheers
Agony
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Those people should vote for Sanders.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)You've made it clear that you support Hillary only because of perceived slights by Sanders' supporters. I doubt anyone takes who you are or are not voting for seriously.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)the reaction of many to your Live Journal-esque posts!
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,417 posts)Thanks for the thread, 99th_Monkey.
stillwaiting
(3,795 posts)Many of them USED to vote reliably Democratic.
Bernie can/will bring back many of them to the Democratic Party if he leads the Party in the direction of HIS values. He speaks to working class needs like very few elected Democrats do these days, and they are hearing him.
Hillary will NOT do that. For Hillary, strike that and reverse it. She'll turn OUT the vote against her for the Republicans, and she will have a horrible impact on down-ticket races.
We have a truly great opportunity here, and I really hope we don't blow it.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)If she wins the Democratic nomination she has a better chance of losing the general election because she doesn't have the power of pulling republicans over to the Dem side. Her supporters don't seem to take this into consideration because they think that POC have some kind of super power when it comes to voting Dem. However, I don't think POC can carry an election of a Democrat by themselves yet and republicans will vote in mass against HRC. If this happens, I think we will be past the point of no return for this country and all of our children's futures will be bleak.
stillwaiting
(3,795 posts)Karma13612
(4,554 posts)and I worry about everything.
I shouldn't have to worry about my own retirement, but since conversations about SS are so troubling, I am.
I worry about the future that I won't witness.
We are truly at a cross-roads where actions are so consequential. Not just politically but also the life of the planet and it's inhabitants. Sometimes I wonder if the ongoing interest in space exploration, along with more interest and financial support of projects from the private sector, is because of plans of the Kocks and Waltons which include leaving earth to live on other planets or moons and leave the unwashed masses to rot and become extinct on our toxic "3rd rock from the sun".
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)They don't get that "I've been Bullshitted" aftertaste in their ears.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)You know ... that racist scumbag who Bill Clinton 'encouraged' to run for President.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Or.... will they?
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)I do think Team Bernie is focusing on voter registration, including changing
registrations in states w/out open primaries. How effective it will be .. who knows.
I guess we'll find out when the fat lady sings.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)For whatever reason they feel The System has failed them. If it was just their party, seems to me they would switch.
I think they would overwhelmingly turn to Bernie and give them a reason to register to vote for him under the Big Tent. I also doubt these current polls reflect this bloc
MADem
(135,425 posts)It's not a question of "characterization," it's a question of party affiliation.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Political. That's the risk and the genius of Bernie's entire message. Politics has changed while many weren't noticing or just dropped out. So it's time to notice, make choices and take action.
The two-party stranglehold.other than the party machine , is losing relevancy. Debbie WS and her antics is the picture of that. Trump and Carson on the other side.
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CentralMass
(15,265 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)The bottom line, however, is that when it comes to the everyday issues that affect peoples pocketbooks, their families, their health and well-being, and their futures, everyone has the same concerns. In his own discussions with conservatives, this author notes that both sides agree on the problems were all facing. Where we part ways is on the solutions. Once we all understand this, the way is cleared for civil debate and reasoned discussion.
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)madokie
(51,076 posts)republiCONs say they most likely will vote for Bernie Sanders because they like what they're hearing him talk about.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)We need to end this corporate welfare... [Its] an issue where Bernie and I are in complete agreement...
Hes one of the few Democrats with the courage to stand against it...
I respect honesty in politics I like and respect Bernie Sanders...
The Democrats, virtually all of them, are supporting this cronyism and corporate welfare. The one person whos standing up strong is Bernie Sanders.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)But, but ... "Bernie is a Socialist!!!" .. he "won't be able to work with the GOP in Congress"
This should turn a few heads when I post that article lol
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Bernie keeps breaking the molds of conventional wisdom re: electoral politics.
It's brilliant, because his opponents never quite know what to expect, but that's
not because Bernie keeps changing positions, it's because he's listening to a different
drummer than the Oligarchs and their M$M 'experts' & pundits.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)One guess where most of the money's coming from? Like Farris and Dan Wilks, billionaire brothers who gave Cruz's super pac $15 million -- the donation that we know of from a pair known for preferring to invest without disclosure.
Last month Cruz reported that he picked up Rick Perry's big donors, 6 of them, the biggest fish Texas billionaire Darwin Deason, whose son is closely associated with the Kochs. Then, of course, there ARE the Kochs and the Koch network. Most of their money to an individual candidate is still on hold while they see where it will be best invested. They are VERY interested in Cruz, however.
And, of course, there are all the others who are investing in a Cruz presidency. Like hedge fund magnate Robert Mercer. And so on.