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[Scuba]

1. If Hillary is our candidate, we will have a Republican in the White House.

[Robbins]

20. perhapes you should take better look at clinton

war
national security state
militian of police
trade
wall street
social safety net

not too much different than republicans.

Clinton supporters have called bernie supporters racists and sexists and now you are worried about us? That's rich.

Obama on TPP is prime example of why any dem isn't reason to vote.you need the right kind.that's bernie not Clinton.

[Robbins]

53. she is just as mucha war mongor as them

she is in pocket of wall street and will support free trade that favors corporations

she will not defend social safety net from cuts to pay for more war and to favor top 1%

I have very good reasons never to vote for her and not to care who wins between her and republican.

[artislife]

145. vote for Sanders and then your mind will be at rest.

Fear based posts on voting doesn't go over well.

[66 dmhlt]

54. You'd have to flush TWICE to get rid of that much ... twaddle

[mythology]

130. In the Senate Clinton voted the same as Sanders 93% of the time

I'm sorry if that fact is inconvenient for your incorrect assertion that Clinton is a Republican, but it makes you look rather foolish when the numbers don't support your claim.

[gollygee]

160. abortion, voting rights, LGBT rights, etc.

How can you not see the difference at least in some areas?

[MH1]

195. It's nice to know that you don't give the tiniest of shits about women's issues or the environment.

I'm undecided and Hillary is probably my third choice, but the "not too much different" bullshit is just that.

[jeff47]

79. How'd "Republicans are worse" work out in 2014, 2010, 2004, 2000?

Clinton's problem in the GE will not be people voting for the Republican instead of her. It will be people not voting.

[Scuba]

122. Exactly.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

10. I promised I wouldn't do this but I lied...

Here's my challenge to you and your compadres...


If Hillary Clinton loses the presidency I will corner a dead rat, kill it with my bare hands, put it on a grill, throw some Sriracha sauce, , eat it, and put it all on youtube under the tagline " Man loses bet", as long as the person taking my challenge promises to do it when she wins.


P.S. I am not a big fan of these threads. Folks need to follow their conscience and vote for whomever their conscience dictates. And it is not as if anything we write here actually matters.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

34. I don't know about a landslide...

The nation is polarized... All I can say is that I rather have our hand than the GO(PU)'s hand, especially if the nominate a Trump or Cruz who will be easy to demonize.

Let me preface my remarks by saying I don't believe what is written here has much effect in the real world but I see a distressing and disturbing phenomenon where supporters of a certain candidate are giving vent to the emotion that if my guy can't win then I want the gal or guy who beats my guy to lose.

That's okay when your favorite team or athlete loses...It's messed up when it comes to governance and our lives are in the balance.

[sleepyvoter]

42. I'll take the challenge, under one condition.

That instead of a rat, you eat the hottest pepper on the planet, the Carolina Reaper.

That will indicate you finally felt the Bern.

Deal?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

46. Deal

Is this for the primary or the G E?

[sleepyvoter]

51. Primary.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

57. You can choose between the dead rat and the pepper...

If I were you I would choose the latter...

[sleepyvoter]

60. That's fine.

I accept.

[brush]

182. Thought the hottest pepper was the scotch bonnet?

[Fawke Em]

137. Nope.

She loses Ohio, Florida, North Carolina and Colorado.

Toast, my friend.

[SwampG8r]

171. Oh a spelling champ on du

Seer

[restorefreedom]

27. please don't kill a rat...

i know many are not fans, but they can be sweet. some people even keep them as pets. however, if you really want to make a video upon a hillary loss, there are plenty of exceedingly gross things that can be had at the local grocery...pigs feet, tripe, blood sausage, etc.

i see that so far there are no takers to your challenge...so my concern is likely misplaced

and i agree about consience...we need to vote FOR someone, and that someome will vary for each of us.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

40. I know something we can wager to eat that's a lot more unpleasant than a dead rat...

I didn't make this wager but when Don Imus and Howard Stern were in a death battle for ratings Don Imus once declared that if Stern got higher ratings than his, he would eat a dead dog's penis; he later said it "tasted good."

http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,137548,00.html

[restorefreedom]

47. yuck. fortunately, i am vegan

and there are no truly gross vegan foods. but i appreciate your creativity and the retro imus moment!

personally, i would have preferred it if stern had had to eat it. i intensely dislike him.

[cheapdate]

154. Carrion flower; skunk cabbage.

[restorefreedom]

164. that could be pretty gross. :) nt

[Vattel]

165. I think Morningstar makes a vegan dog penis.

It's in the frozen section next to Loma Linda's lentil cat balls.

[restorefreedom]

166. ewwwwww...and lol! nt

[MeNMyVolt]

44. I absolutely love your "betting" paragraphs!

I truly do. In a good way. They get more and more outrageous, and always give me a good chuckle. I could always use that. Thanks!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

50. I promise myself I would do it but I can't help myself

[riversedge]

26. oh Scuba. Your post is exactly what the OP is referring to. Calling a Democratic Candidate a

Republican is wrong and you know that.

[Scuba]

74. Not the party base, just some infiltrators in leadership positions ....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027124593

[randys1]

110. Some people are so terribly immature when it comes to politics that they actually

believe there is little difference between a Hillary Clinton and John Kasich, for instance.

And there is very little difference unless you are a Woman, or Black, or Gay, or poor, or Asian, or Jewish...

The list is very long.

I think you get the point.

And even to economic issues, there are actually huge differences.

[treestar]

129. +1

They have created a fictional Hillary. Like the right wing fictional Obama.

[R B Garr]

179. Yes, and there are Ross Perot voters here with the

inane Clinton hating rhetoric dating back to the Arkansas Project talking points. Hmmm

[MADem]

109. Yeah, he'll be polishing the door knobs, shoveling snow, and mowing the lawn.

I'm sure the Clinton administration will hire GOP people to do things like lawn and facility maintenance. Maybe they'll hire them to do some work on the driveway, too!

[-none]

127. If someone posted the same OP, but only exchanged Hillary's and Bernie's name,

the OP would be an all but guaranteed hide. No way would it garner this many posts either.

[madokie]

148. And you can take that to the bank

The long knifes will be out. Hillary has so much baggage that no way in hell will she ever be elected our President. Simple as that.

What gets me is if you mention anything hillary that isn't just kissing her ass you are trashing her. Everything she has ever done is off limits to many or most of her few supporters here.

The closest she'll ever get to the oval office was when Billary was president. I remember when I used to think ol Bill was alright then I started putting two and two together and the outcome was he was not the good president some would like us to believe. In fact he sold us down the river on many issues. F the clintons at this point.


I will vote for Hill if she is our nominee but I damn sure won't vote for her in the primary.

[brooklynite]

2. Of course it won't...

...discussions on DU have no impact whatsoever on politics in the real world.

[ibegurpard]

95. Discussions on DU mirror the real world

Except when you live in gentrified liberal bubbles full of people who actually look down at an unsophisticated working class.

[brooklynite]

97. Presumably that explains Dennis Kucinich's sterling success in 2008?

[frylock]

99. Where was Kucinich polling at this stage in 2007?

[frylock]

108. You guys sure are piss-your-pants scared of someone that has no chance of winning..

'sup with that?

[brooklynite]

112. I believe he was polling at "who?"...sort of like George Pataki.

[frylock]

114. Ah, so not as well as Sanders.

Not even close.

[brooklynite]

120. ...and yet, both Sanders and Kucinich were the preferred choice of the DU community

...vs the choice of "real world Democrats", which was the point I was responding to.

[frylock]

124. Yeah, wow. Sanders doesn't have the support of a percentage of the 30% of voters..

registered as democrats. How's your candidate doing with independents and unaffiliated voters?

[hedda_foil]

146. That's absolutely untrue. DU was all in for Obama, never for Kucinich.

Apparently, you weren't around then. Sanders is no Kucinich.

[brooklynite]

147. I've been around since 2003...

...there are folks here who still insist that Kucinich would have won except that THEY (evil music) kept his message from getting out.

[hedda_foil]

150. Piffle

I've been here since 2001. Could there still be one or two people who think Nader or Kucinich could ever win? There were never more than a handful then. Why don't you show me one that's posted it after 2008?

[brooklynite]

168. Here's one

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3536523

[hedda_foil]

183. You're kidding. All you did there was Google DU for Kucinich.

The poster wasn't whining about Kucinich and it's over two years old. In any case, a person or two over years of posting by thousands of DUers can be found to have said almost anything. I made that caveat in my post above. And this is what you come back with. Proves my point.

[brooklynite]

184. You asked for one post-2008...

...I gave you one is response to my comments.

[mmonk]

3. Blackmail is a sad excuse to keep

quiet.

[Zorra]

83. + infinity squared. nt

[KittyWampus]

4. Too early for popcorn...

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

5. Fearmongering?

That's in the Republican wheelhouse.

But I agree with Scuba - the best way to 'ensure' a Republican in the White House is to nominate Clinton, who is a poor general election candidate.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

11. Nope. My handle is my real name.

I don't hide behind made up names to broadcast scare tactics.

[yallerdawg]

17. Ponder this.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

75. So 'Oscar Wilde' wasn't his real name?

Or was that quote being 'least himself'?

Sort of an oxymoron of a quote - people who tell you things in their own names are dissemblers, but hey, I'm telling you this in my own name!

[Armstead]

118. Naw...Most of my real world friends know I'm an opinionated pain in the ass

but they like me anyway (or because of it).

[Dr Hobbitstein]

25. Your last name is Bloodaxe?

That's kind of badass.

[sleepyvoter]

48. A quick Google check did confirm that fact.

If he is from Ohio, then it's already there.

[AgingAmerican]

98. Hillary supporters haven't discovered teh Google machine yet

nt

[Dr Hobbitstein]

49. Don't be divisive.

You're accusing the Bernie group of being divisive while being divisive yourself.

I should note: I am a Hillary supporter, but we're ALL on the same team.

[Sheepshank]

126. look one post up for a perfect example

...of unecessary insults.

It's really not all that hard to find.....especially since they never seem to get hidden.

[2pooped2pop]

8. the Bernie group is trying to save America from another republican in the white house.

We feel strongly about it. So maybe the Hillary group is the ones that need to grow up and face that just because she is a woman, does not make her a good leader.

[2pooped2pop]

80. I know how crazy they are

and I know how close she is to their policies. Not so much with the crazy but she is still gonna continue the screw the people, give more to the corporations, hey we need more war, policies.

[2pooped2pop]

123. Bernie beats her on all that

and he isn't just saying it til he gets elected. So open your own eyes. Unless your are rich, Hillary is gonna play you.

[SidDithers]

9. The right hates Hillary. The fringe left hates Hillary...

and we see evidence of that every day at DU.

Sid

[BlueCaliDem]

78. Yep. There's not much difference between the two. It's the "horseshoe theory" at work.

From Wikipedia: "The horseshoe theory in political science asserts that rather than the far left and the far right being at opposite and opposing ends of a linear political continuum, they in fact closely resemble one another, much like the ends of a horseshoe."



The biggest mistake the Democratic Party can make is to allow the extreme Left to take hold of the Party. Look how that worked out on the Republican side. Not pretty.

[zappaman]

115. There are manny here who are closet Republicans/Libertarians.

Truth!

[workinclasszero]

121. "There are manny here who are closet Republicans/Libertarians."

For sure.

[joshcryer]

173. Heh!

[Agschmid]

174. 1-6 leave.

[joshcryer]

176. Results of shit alert:

On Tue Dec 1, 2015, 06:16 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

There are manny here who are closet Republicans/Libertarians.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=859616

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This js what he hope's is a clever callout of manny goldstein
He is calling a duer a libertarian and pretending its a mis spelling
I would not usually alert on this but this is the fourth time he has used this "mis spelling" to dump on manny
Its a call out and not cute.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Dec 1, 2015, 06:22 AM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Don't see any difference in this post and the one above it.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Manny plays fucking games here everyday. The guy has said the most vile thing about Democrats and DUers for years and you want to play the "someone is picking on manny game"? Maybe some folks should consider what they post and where they are posting it and maybe people wouldn't react this way.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This is real weak sauce, It is an opinion, opinions are why we are here, if someone wants to take it personally or as an attack all I can say is get over it.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I think it's cute. Shame on you alerter for alterting on an obvious mispelling.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Yep. Seems like an obvious dig at Manny to me.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Why hide the truth? I can't wait for primary season to end.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[rbrnmw]

194. hahaha

[bravenak]

196. +1

[grasswire]

128. what about Canadians, like you?

How do Canadians feel about Hillary?

[ibegurpard]

143. probably still sad about Harper's loss

[Puglover]

170. Well I could not help but to notice

not a positive comment or a rec on any celebratory thread about Justin Trudeau's victory.

Golly I am an American and I was thrilled.

Things that make you go "hmmmm".

[joshcryer]

175. Weak.

I rec'd and posted several Trudeau threads myself, but his participation was low during that time as far as rec's. Your judgement is bullshit. You don't know what was going on with him, and even then, maybe he was too busy celebrating IRL and not on a forum that points out peoples nationalities as if they're some sort of fault.

(Yeah, that's what you and the person you're responding to is doing, using nationality as a fucking fault. Shame on you.)

[Puglover]

181. No that is not what I am doing at all.

But you will twist it anyway that suits you Josh because that is how you roll.

Have a great day.

[joshcryer]

188. Ooh look, a Canadian!

How dare the Canadian have an opinion about US politics!

And I'm the one with the agenda...

[Puglover]

190. Nope but points for trying.

When posters on this website treat Democrats that are a 10th of a degree to the left of Joe Lieberman like crap regularly and sport their celebratory sig lines about PPRed well liked DUers they get the respect from me that they deserve.

And I don't give two shits what country they are from.

You don't like that? Tough.

Have a nice evening and enjoy the last word. I won't be responding to any more of your baloney.

[joshcryer]

191. Everyone loves to make shit personal around here.

And nobody that got a PPR didn't deserve it. Well liked or not.

[Cassiopeia]

158. That is exactly why a vote for Hillary in the primaries

Is a vote for the Republican in the GE.

[enlightenment]

12. I think you need to get out more.

You're giving DU far more control over regional and national politics than it has ever had.

[NCTraveler]

15. 1) They truly don't care.

2) This new group of voters truly believes the old Nader bullshit that both parties are the same.
3) Clinton will win without conservative support.

The only post I have made in the Sanders group. I was kicked out moments later. I really don't want to be associated with the level of anger and conspiracy they engulf themselves with.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/128069099

I suggest you simply don't go to that group.

[NCTraveler]

22. I made an edit and added a second part to my post.

I just don't want you agreeing with something I said after your reply. I do thank you for your reply and do think this is an issue worth discussing. Who are these people relentlessly attacking progressives while acting like they are from the left side of the political spectrum? Thanks IHateTheGOP.

[NCTraveler]

31. +1. Watch out for a hide. I do agree.

We are outnumbered here ten to one. lol.

[R B Garr]

169. Yup, it was just alerted. A 2 to 5 leave.

Last edited Tue Dec 1, 2015, 10:45 AM - Edit history (1)

Totally agree with your points.

[Major Hogwash]

37. Groups are controlled by their hosts.

So, when you trolled the Bernie group, they blocked you.
Now you're whining about it.

Hillary plays the victim all of the time, and now so many of her supporters do, too.

But, one thing is true for sure, the members of the Bernie Group didn't run off to post on a completely different forum and make snarky comments about DU members still posting here.

Your misguided anger is what got you blocked from the Bernie Sanders Group to begin with.

[Kentonio]

64. Funny, I got banned from the Hillary forum for a single innocuous post.

Does that mean they are engulfed in anger and conspiracy too?

[tularetom]

19. Why don't you at least wait until the convention before you start looking for scapegoats?

Clinton doesn't need any help from DU to lose the presidential election.

[Robbins]

58. no she will likely lose

independents don't like her
she will get no republicanc rossover
some dems won't vote for her

since i am liberal and not neoliberal nothing she does will keep me safe.

[sleepyvoter]

76. Exactly.

I'd like the Clinton supporters to explain as to where Clinton's crossover appeal or her surprisingly low support from independent is coming from.

[hedda_foil]

66. If she's going to win regardless, why are so many HRC supporters so concerned about Bernie?

[BlueCaliDem]

85. Because of his supporters. They're not doing him or his movement any favors.

They're turning people off and turning them away from Sanders. He deserves better.

[AgingAmerican]

134. Are Hillary supporters attracting voters?

No? lol

[tularetom]

67. Actually she won't so I guess I'll have to keep myself "safe to be naive"

Whatever the fuck that means.

[Mnpaul]

162. I think its something naive people say

when they lack an intelligent comeback.

Either that or it is the word of the day.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

77. And that statement suggests that you're the one who should change his hand to 'Naive'. nt

[frylock]

101. Is this refrigerator poetry?

[NRaleighLiberal]

24. Wow - little that I know that DU was so utterly powerful and influential!

Nice play of both the fear card, and the "we have to settle for" card.

[Punkingal]

192. What the hell?

You got Bill Clinton from the south, didn't you? Every southerner is not a right-wing fool.

[Andy823]

36. Kind of like

When some of those who say they are supporters of Bernie make the claim that he is the "ONLY" chance we have to save this country? If Bernie does not win it's the end of everything I guess.

[Robbins]

59. Some of us didn't vote for nader

I voted for gore.but,keep up false memo.

[NRaleighLiberal]

65. they must be one of the "bubble messengers du jour"!

cook up the meme, send them here to spew their crap all over the place.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

30. DU has about as much influence over Democratic politics

as a flea has on an elephant's ass.

IOW, this is just a small, non-representative echo-chamber for liberal, progressive, and (to a lesser degree) moderate Democrats with zero real-world implications.

[Hepburn]

55. Unfortunately, this most likely is true.

DUers, in general, appear to be well-informed on issues. I cannot say the same for many others with whom I discuss issues. Example: Ask someone to name the three branches of govt and the general nature of their specific functioning. OMG...the answers!

[Kalidurga]

38. We have posts like this daily

It's weird how Clinton supporters think this is necessary. Yet, Sanders supporters rarely put up the same kind of thread.

[Kalidurga]

56. Maybe number 6 will be the charm.

I have seen only one poster that obsessively trashes Hillary. Yet, s/he doesn't even post the hundreds of threads that trash Hilary like it is claimed. Seriously bring me a couple Hilary hate threads. I would like to see them. I keep looking, yet only have one person in mind that does this.

[Robbins]

61. That's so rich

clinton supporters have called us racists and sexists

mean clinton has insurated bernie is sexist and racist

she tried to smear bernie as wanting to end medicare

she used republican talking points to attack bernie on taxes

clinton supporters just can't stand some not willing to just cede to her and bow down to ms inevitable.

[Betty Karlson]

73. And that is becasue she is as yet inevitable only in their minds. eom

[Darb]

189. Sorry, I see more Berner attacks than vice-versa.

Jussayin'.

[frylock]

106. It only looks like bashing because Hillary's positions are indefensible..

discussion of Hillary's policy proposals and past voting record are considered bashing because her supporters are so ashamed of them I guess.

[el_bryanto]

43. OK. Where to start.

I want to see the country move in a more liberal direction, particularly on economic issues. I'd also like to see less war in general. Bernie Sanders represents my views on those issues more than Hillary Clinton does. This is because Hillary Clinton has what is known as a record that one can point to and see that she's capable of saying a lot of things, but what she actually does is govern from a center right position.

That puts her head and shoulders over any Republican who are Very Right Wing, Extra Very Right Wing or Insanely Very Right Wing, but it's still not the direction I think we need to go as a nation. So I am going to continue supporting Bernie Sanders and criticizing Hillary Clinton.

But I don't know that I'd worry too much; look at the masterstroke she's accomplished. Somehow despite her history, she and her followers have successfully painted Bernie Sanders (a socialist until very recently) as a tepid moderate on Civil Rights. I wouldn't have thought that possible, but there it is. So I think her and her followers abilities to paint their enemies will ensure a victory.

Bryant

[Robbins]

45. This is democratic party

not clinton party.Trashing Clinton ha.she trashes herself.Clinton would ensure gop congress regardless.

I strongly disagree on her experience and so called level head.she has learned nothing from iraq vote.

[HerbChestnut]

52. LOL

So criticizing Hillary before a single vote has been cast will lead to a Republican victory?

[TIME TO PANIC]

62. If I remember correctly,

Hillary didn't have a problem trashing Obama back in '08.

[jeff47]

63. Tip: You need our votes.

For Clinton to win, you need us to vote for her in the general election.

Perhaps baseless attacks and insults are not the best way to get those votes.

[panader0]

68. Wow, I did't realize the Bernie group on DU had so much power!!

[Fred75]

69. Bernie's Record

The continued trashing of Bernie by the Clinton camp just might ensure a Republican in the White House. Bernie has a perfect record for fighting for the people. Clintons record is just like a
Republican record. Millions of dollars from big banks and corporations. Bernie will be the Democratic nominee for the Democratic Party.

Fred75

[BlueCaliDem]

70. They. Don't. Care.

But what gets posted here, and what is easily done with multiple socks as we've seen in the past, has no effect on a national scale. It won't defeat Hillary Clinton nor harm her chances nor diminish her front-runner status. It might work for some districts in the midterms, but it won't have an effect on state-wide and national elections, so I'm not the least bit worried about that.

I am worried about the damage that passionate Sanders supporters are doing to Bernie Sanders with their angry posts against Hillary Clinton and her supporters. I hope people won't judge Sanders by his supporters' actions.

I just keep this in mind:

Bernie Sanders would make an ok president.

Hillary Clinton would make an excellent president.

I'll choose excellent but will settle for ok if that's necessary. And I won't allow anonymous posters to dissuade me from either candidate no matter how hard they purposely or accidentally try.

[Betty Karlson]

71. Vote for Hillary and praise her too, or else?

Are we now back to that intimidation tactic?

And if we refuse to be intimidated we are immature? I'll give you credit for that addition. That little bit extra seems to be all yours. Point for originality.

Are you aware that there are primaries coming up, and that depending on the primary results Clinton may not even be a candidate in the general election? This is a democracy, not a dynasty, and we don't do coronations. One thing at the time please. And that thing, right now, is a primary contest between the 1 % candidate who believes in the status quo, and two 99 % candidates who believe in overdue change.

Discuss.

[Dem2]

72. :)

[berni_mccoy]

81. Sounds like a direct threat to the Sanders supporters...

[99Forever]

82. Sorry pal.

But "not an official member of The Republican Party" does not qualify anyone for any office, least of all POTUS for me.

Earn my vote or do without it.

Consider yhst my warning.

[CharlotteVale]

84. Doesn't say much for Hillary if the only way she can win

is by silencing people.

[INdemo]

87. You know this is

exaxtly like the Republicans and has been since Reagan,no make that Nixon,they trash the other candidate,they,by today's, standards are trying to "swift boat" Bernie and then try and turn the tables sayin their candidate is being trashed.
Hillary Clinton will not win the General if nominated because voters do not want another Bush or Clinton.
Besides Hillary won't be winning anything it will be the corporate Mafia buying the election for her. If God forbid she wins the nomination
Liberals, progressives will stay home because they will not vote for a Repulican and either way we will have two Republicans to chose from ,Hillary or the Republican parties nominee.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

88. Your estimation of the impact of DU on the election is highly exaggerated.

[INdemo]

89. If Hillary would decide to run as a

Republican would all of the Hillary supporters here leave,and register as a Republiczn so they could caucus or vote for her in the primaries?
She could do that and not lose 1 nickle of financing from Wall St,the Banks etc.
It would be a very interesting election
R Clinton vs D Sanders

[PDittie]

90. Concern trolling

At least you have a scapegoat when Clinton loses.

[Vincardog]

91. Please post a link or five to a Bernie supporter TRASHING the Hillary. Not policy difference not

Pointing out corporate ties. Where do you see trashing?

[ibegurpard]

92. If every one of us shut our mouths and got in line as you want

Hillary would still be getting money and policy from the people who tanked our economy. She would still have voted for the Iraq War and be engaging in saber-rattling for political benefit to this day. She would still be promoting policy palatable to what big money and corporate lobbyists want instead of what's going to be of the greatest benefit to those with no voice. And she would still have little to no credibility on issues because her current rhetoric doesn't match her past record.
People aren't stupid and they see all these things on their own without my help. You people pushing her relentlessly are still living in the increasingly irrelevant paradigm where you can just mass-market your way into overcoming a bad product.

[kath]

93. Oooh, I'm so so GRATEFUL for your concern.

How wonderful for you to take time out of your busy day to post this here. Thank you so very much.

[AgingAmerican]

94. lol

Right. The Sanders group on DU will ignite global fascism.

[MrMickeysMom]

96. So nice of you...

I'm a careful person. For instance, I try to take care that I do not threaten another persons first amendment rights. OTOH, I speak my mind.

I think that's what has been going on the BSG.

[PowerToThePeople]

100. Thanks for your concern. eom

[arcane1]

103. All the more reason to vote for Sanders and avoid all that nonsense.

It's sad that Clinton has nothing but extortion to convince people to vote for her

[edgineered]

105. Been a long time since trashing a thread. Many thanks! nt

[Phlem]

111. Unrec for Fearmongering.

Hillary is a Republican. Open yer damn eyes.

[Phlem]

163. Yep, that what it is, I'm closed minded.

You're pathetic. You're talking to someone who's been here since 2005. I've done the NAFTA thing and went through whole Bill, Bush, Obama, now Hillary thirdway BS, yadda yadda yadda.

Yea, that's it, I'm closed minded. Don't spill your cranial soup bowl trying to tell me the what for Mkay?

As if.

JFC

[Armstead]

116. Gosh it feels so powerful

My little missives of opinion are going to swing a national election. I have the power to either make the Democrats or GOP win, just by typing some letters onto a screen and pushing the "post" button.

The entire USA is awaiting everyword we utter here with baited breath to determine what they will think and who they will vote for.

Gosh I never knew..

[Autumn]

125. I'm sorry we hurt your fee-fees.

[Autumn]

133. Be gracious and accept an apology, that's the adult thing to do.

To be rude when a person tries to apologize for behavior a person finds sooooo offensive is hardly the grown up thing to do.

[Fawke Em]

135. Maybe you should be careful.

Nannying others is not a way to win friends and influence people.

[MoonRiver]

136. They don't care, but whatever they do will have zero effect on the GE.

[AtomicKitten]

138. Hillary stayed in the primary race for months after she had no chance of winning to damage Obama.

[0rganism]

139. how influential do you think DU is, really?

i doubt DU Sanders' supporters' current ambivalence towards HRC is going to count for much come June.

[Vinca]

140. Although I support Sanders, I imagine Hillary will be the nominee.

That's what the party seems to have pre-ordained. Assuming that she is the nominee, I fear she will lose. She's certainly qualified for the job, but she doesn't generate enough excitement among the electorate to guarantee a win. I would expect a turnout like we see in the midterms. If the GOP wins, it will not be the fault of the Bernie Sanders group, it will be the fault of Hillary Clinton and her uninspired campaign.

[Todays_Illusion]

141. I consider Hillary to be the only electable Republican in the campaign.

I know this source is junk but it matches what I think.

http://www.wnd.com/2015/11/gop-establishment-to-back-hillary-if-trump-nominee/

[AgingAmerican]

142. Some of them act

Like the universe will implode if her 'destiny' is not realized.

[beltanefauve]

144. Another concern thread

yawn.

This is a discussion group. Not a single vote has been cast. We're supposed to be hashing this out. And posters who post links and and facts not favorable to Hillary aren't bashing.

[treestar]

149. I think some of them are working themselves up

to the point where they hate Hillary so much they won't be able to vote for her in the GE.

It's best in the primaries to talk positively about one's own candidate while still being positive about the others. We have good candidates - that's the attitude that is better.

[fredamae]

151. Why does this apply to one group

and not the other?

[demwing]

152. Thanks for the chuckles

[Fawke Em]

157. Millennials don't like her... at all.

I am a 27-year-old, politically active, progressive millennial voter. I am a political junkie; my background is political science and American history. However, if Hillary Clinton gets the nomination (a big “if”), I will likely not vote for her, and will instead write in “Bernie Sanders” … and I encourage my readers to do so as well.

I never thought I would be encouraging people to not vote for the Democratic nominee for president. Looking at 2012, history illustrates that the only way to change politics is through primary elections: If you want change, vote for the party aligned most closely to that change, and participate in primaries, but when it comes to the general, select the “lesser of two evils.” However, I am disgusted with how the Democratic Party is resisting that process.

The DNC’s actions regarding the number of debates, the scheduling of those debates and the treatment of the candidates is disgraceful, and undemocratic. Debbie Wasserman Schultz has disappointed me as a young, active Democrat. The second debate was on a Saturday night, and the viewership was predictably small. In fact, three of the seven debates are scheduled for Saturdays. The DNC’s leadership has seemingly aligned itself with Hillary Clinton, someone who, in my opinion, is an unqualified candidate for the following reasons:

http://www.salon.com/2015/11/30/more_like_reagan_than_fdr_im_a_millennial_and_ill_never_vote_for_hillary_clinton/

[bettyellen]

161. that blogger is an idiot- the way to change things is to also vote in midterms.....

you have to be immature to think you can get insta-revolution by electing someone president. It's embarrassing.

[Betty Karlson]

186. Calling names is not an argument. And furthermore:

You want turn-out? Give people something to vote for. Neglect their interests with Republican-light policies, and they'll stay at home.

"My opponent and I are both going to screw you, but you should vote for me. Because I use lube."

Good luck with that platform!

[bettyellen]

187. No, Americans have sadly been disinterested in great mid term candidates forever. It's a cultural

blindspot we have had for decades. Half of our population have always been disinterested- particularly younger voters.
Lube references- well then- I stand corrected, LOL!

[MuseRider]

159. LOL just so damned funny.

I have been away for a couple of days and the very first post I see is this one.

I guess I will just have to stfu, forget what feels right to me or IS right to me and go with the Hillary.

I had no idea my opinions, feelings and votes would cause so much damage. Tell me why we even let more than the corporate favorite run?

You will never know how any of us vote, you do know we don't owe you one damned thing about our voting habits don't you?

Good lord I cannot even fathom ever posting something this stupid on a political "discussion" board.

[yuiyoshida]

167. "I wish the Bernie group here would grow up."

You insult us and then demand respect from us? No sir!

[RiverLover]

172. You will DRINK this Kool-aid, & you will LIKE it.

psst~

Backing Hillary in 2016: Bad for Progressives and Bad Politics, Too

.....Let’s face it, the Democratic Party has become a pale doppelganger to the Republican Party. They pursue job wrecking trade agreements in secret; they engage in foreign wars cavalierly; they are limiting our civil rights; they cozy up to Wall Street and the big banks; they contribute to the grotesque income inequality that is destroying the economy both passively – by not directly opposing Republican fiscal plans – and actively -- by proposing their own deregulation such as repeal of Glass-Steagall.

As a result, only a little over a third of the voters showed up, and those who did were motivated by fear, greed, anger, hate and bigotry which were integral parts of the conservative campaign........

[merrily]

177. Oh, goodie. Another post seeking to control the content of the posts of Bernie's

DU supporters. And this one has threats about the general, too!



From the group that hectored Bernie's supporters with the loyalty oath, too. How very double standard of them. Then again, someone whose name I'm too lazy to google said, "Foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds" and no one can accuse any Hillary supporter of having a little mind (without violating the TOS).

[Android3.14]

178. Oh look, the Thought Police are still active

What a surprise.

[PatrickforO]

180. Well, I know I feel better after reading the OP

Gosh, I've been mistaken all this time being for Bernie, because Clinton is inevitable! I see now, that if I keep supporting Bernie, then Republicans will gain the White House, take the Senate and Keep the House, pack the Supreme Court and turn the nation fascist.

Yep. No matter how much I agree with Bernie because I think his policies will make this a better country, I've been horribly wrong to support him, and even more horribly wrong to have the temerity to criticize Hillary Clinton.

Yep. Because genuinely progressive positions like Bernie's don't have a place in today's Democratic Party. Nope. No place. We're much better off acquiescing to the Republicans and moving right. Absolutely! That's the kind of America I want - one where the Dems pay lip service to social issues while helping the oligarchs screw the American people economically.

Gee, I'm so happy I read this, because now I can comport myself correctly here on DU!

[Punkingal]

193. Absolutely awesome post!

[Douglas Carpenter]

185. It doesn't help Hillary one little bit when you make her supporters sound as nutty as fruitcakes!

I will frankly agree that there are a few Sanders supporters who are over the top.

BUT I DO NOT AGREE that criticizing center-right policy positions is smearing. It is simply pointing out differences.

FURTHERMORE, ANY minimally objective, rational and reasonable person can see with just a cursory glance at this forum that a number of Hillary's most ardent supporters are just downright slimy in their anti-Bernie smears.

You, honestly and sincerely don't see that? If you really don't than this is as delusional and BATSHIT CRAZY as the ravings of Ted Cruz or Donald Trump.