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Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 11:03 PM Dec 2015

Hillary supporters here obviously don't care about Baltimore

judging by their derogatory posts about Bernie's visit to Baltimore today they are so wrapped up in their ISIS thing, Wall Street and CNN supporters that they are forgetting that people in Baltimore are actually hurting. Bernie pointed out that Baltimore city is practically devoid of grocery stores and people have practically no way of getting fresh nutritional food. Amongst the rubble of many of the neighborhoods in Baltimore there is a gleaming MacDonalds or some other which provides most of the non-nutritional food. Many of our city's children go to bed hungry. Most of the areas downtown are drug-ridden with many shootings. If a couple of people in a suburban mall are shot there is an uproar yet nobody cares about Baltimore city.

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Hillary supporters here obviously don't care about Baltimore (Original Post) Rosa Luxemburg Dec 2015 OP
That's the take home message... Buzz Clik Dec 2015 #1
Hillary's crew are spinning out of control Rosa Luxemburg Dec 2015 #2
The mess is Bernie's not HRC's. The only spin is coming from those looking for a soft place to fall. Buzz Clik Dec 2015 #3
The people of Baltimore come first Rosa Luxemburg Dec 2015 #5
Of course they come first, and they did come first. Buzz Clik Dec 2015 #8
Sure HerbChestnut Dec 2015 #20
Bernie made that clear. He didn't talk about ISIS. All's well that ends well. Buzz Clik Dec 2015 #24
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2015 #25
that doesn't matter to some. roguevalley Dec 2015 #55
Lolz... artislife Dec 2015 #70
He doesn't buy into the right wing panic AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #90
And some are opportunists who will set aside principles and ethics cui bono Dec 2015 #100
Honestly, after today I am positive the biggest enemy artislife Dec 2015 #69
I know, right? MaggieD Dec 2015 #22
Yes, yes, I know.... daleanime Dec 2015 #31
Nice response :) Ned_Devine Dec 2015 #57
Cool story, bro. nt onehandle Dec 2015 #4
Poverty is much bigger issue Truprogressive85 Dec 2015 #6
And probably all the same ones who were running around trying to say he was only for white males cui bono Dec 2015 #40
its amazing Truprogressive85 Dec 2015 #51
Yes. Exactly. He is trying to make people's lives better. That's what we're supposed to be doing. cui bono Dec 2015 #53
This is exactly right. The attacks today were deliberately to distract from that issue Cheese Sandwich Dec 2015 #7
The press attacked Bernie? Really? Buzz Clik Dec 2015 #9
I don't think the poster was implying the attacks came from the press. HerbChestnut Dec 2015 #21
Well, yeah. But today is Tuesday: Attack Bernie Tuesday. Happens every week. Buzz Clik Dec 2015 #23
Sweet, that makes it part of.... daleanime Dec 2015 #34
Haha... cui bono Dec 2015 #41
Yep, another one to put into the weekly rotation. n/t bvf Dec 2015 #47
Bernie is actually talking about kitchen table issues that matter peacebird Dec 2015 #10
exactly Rosa Luxemburg Dec 2015 #14
Bernie can't walk and chew gum at the same time? KMOD Dec 2015 #26
Because talking about ISIS and only ISIS demonstrates multi-tasking. (nt) jeff47 Dec 2015 #33
Oh please, KMOD Dec 2015 #36
Considering he did just that, you might wanna rethink that complaint. (nt) jeff47 Dec 2015 #43
No ISIS questions. KMOD Dec 2015 #45
And he was asked an ISIS question. jeff47 Dec 2015 #46
His campaign manager tried to instruct the press to not ask him about ISIS. KMOD Dec 2015 #49
More to the point, his Press Secretary tried to ORDER the press not to ask ISIS questions. MADem Dec 2015 #58
Amen, MADem. KMOD Dec 2015 #61
*cough cough* TM99 Dec 2015 #80
I know I should be used to it, Vattel Dec 2015 #85
Watch the video, he did not get pissy. jeff47 Dec 2015 #95
she will not answer all questions,not about her son in law using her sos connection for business questionseverything Dec 2015 #98
Hell, they didn't even ask him until he was walking away MaggieD Dec 2015 #59
Chewing gum is a disgusting habit. nt artislife Dec 2015 #71
You know as well as I that we care about Baltimore. upaloopa Dec 2015 #11
hmmm....it seems to me some people care way more about ISIS now Bread and Circus Dec 2015 #52
Because HRH is a warmonger and apparently, they haven't had enough of wars. n/t in_cog_ni_to Dec 2015 #66
Who's HRH? misterhighwasted Dec 2015 #103
because you made it up upaloopa Dec 2015 #68
Just going by what I read. I mean it used to be BLM 24/7 around here...now it's.... Bread and Circus Dec 2015 #83
Excuse me? JaneyVee Dec 2015 #12
Looking forward to a president who can handle domestic and foreign policy both GusBob Dec 2015 #13
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2015 #27
That's nice Trajan Dec 2015 #30
Bingo. KMOD Dec 2015 #37
True, he won't crack jokes about killing heads of states artislife Dec 2015 #72
Exactly. peacebird Dec 2015 #82
But you trust someone who voted for the Iraq war and loves trade deals. Dawgs Dec 2015 #92
Iraq War thing again. You know that may open the door to.. bernies MIC F-35 Contract. misterhighwasted Dec 2015 #105
What an inappropriate thing to say! Dem2 Dec 2015 #15
you missed the point Rosa Luxemburg Dec 2015 #17
Your painting with far to broad a brush. Agschmid Dec 2015 #62
C'Mon Rosa... They Don't Care About ANYTHING Other Than Winning... WillyT Dec 2015 #16
It's It's Rosa Luxemburg Dec 2015 #18
Yes... Yes You Are... So Are We... We Got YOUR BACK !!! WillyT Dec 2015 #19
Guess where I've been? Skidmore Dec 2015 #116
Why think about poor Americans when there's a boogie man to scare up MIC dollars? Scuba Dec 2015 #28
Well lets talk about who's State benefitted by F-35 MIC Contracts. misterhighwasted Dec 2015 #106
I just iggied the first MOM supporter ... Trajan Dec 2015 #29
lol KMOD Dec 2015 #38
Lol. We're not long gone. we've just moved on to the GE campaiign misterhighwasted Dec 2015 #120
They want a safe space matt819 Dec 2015 #32
... KMOD Dec 2015 #39
If Hillary gets the nom and loses the general (which I'm sure she would) cui bono Dec 2015 #42
Yup. SoapBox Dec 2015 #44
I don't care if they blame us artislife Dec 2015 #73
They tried to hide you. darkangel218 Dec 2015 #63
Their fingers must be twitching and sending accidental alerts now. cui bono Dec 2015 #101
Thanks for this matt819 Dec 2015 #132
Or black lives. Otherwise they would support canning Rahm. morningfog Dec 2015 #35
Interesting, isn't it...nt artislife Dec 2015 #74
Now that's the way to win people over. JohnnyRingo Dec 2015 #48
Well, I would never be so crass as suggest Bernie supporters don't care about San Bernedino. Starry Messenger Dec 2015 #50
Exactly MaggieD Dec 2015 #60
Ghettos need Diversity and integration not just fresh produce. ErikJ Dec 2015 #54
Ghettos don't need diversity or integration ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #112
Like what? nt ErikJ Dec 2015 #113
Like an end to redlining ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #117
What kind of redlining? ErikJ Dec 2015 #124
The kind of redlining that ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #129
Probably mostly insurance rates too high. ErikJ Dec 2015 #131
Except the insurance companies can't/won't produce loss data 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #133
It's been apparent for a while now ibegurpard Dec 2015 #56
it became obvious #Black Lives Matter stopped mattering to Clinton's boosters azurnoir Dec 2015 #64
It is pretty sad, isnt it.. darkangel218 Dec 2015 #67
...and there it is. artislife Dec 2015 #75
I haven't seen them all weigh in on this issue yet. Live and Learn Dec 2015 #76
Black Lives Matter has not and will not endorse anyone Number23 Dec 2015 #110
What is so disgusting about this thread? azurnoir Dec 2015 #122
And I guess my point is that there is a reason that Sanders supporters have a really Number23 Dec 2015 #128
That really struck me, when I saw those comments earlier.. darkangel218 Dec 2015 #65
This is the dumbest thing I've read yet on DU. RandySF Dec 2015 #77
I think it is in part a response to your own OP slamming Bernie for focusing on Baltimore and the Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #89
And this is the problem with Bernie and most of you. RandySF Dec 2015 #93
My point is that you and this OP are basically vending the same goods, hyperbolic bashing of the Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #99
Wall Street and CNN supporters? RandySF Dec 2015 #78
Bernie eats Kittens. Lil Missy Dec 2015 #79
Don't slander Hillary supporters Ali-96 Dec 2015 #81
Given that you are new I appreciate the enthusiasm but if you think this discussion is about the Bread and Circus Dec 2015 #84
... SidDithers Dec 2015 #86
I think that is overstated, I'd say they just don't mind exploiting the people of Balitimore Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #87
They can't grasp why Sanders doesn't drop everything AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #88
Obviously. Lol nt NCTraveler Dec 2015 #91
What's upsetting you folks RandySF Dec 2015 #94
Not necessarily. However, relatively few DUers live in the MineralMan Dec 2015 #96
Rather presumptuous aren't you? Up until yesterday Sanders and his supporters... George II Dec 2015 #97
Its a pathetic attempt to now, in the middle of a crises of murders & refugees, misterhighwasted Dec 2015 #109
Yeah ... That Liberty Union thing was ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #114
And yet, you have enough...force of character to support Clinton. How old were you in 2008? DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2015 #119
First, I don't support HRC ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #126
Are we to say every time I read negative post towards Hillary I can conclude Bernie supporters Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #102
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2015 #104
Well she never walked off stage in a huff . misterhighwasted Dec 2015 #108
The conservative tough stand on drug laws has hurt the AA community disproportionally. The rhett o rick Dec 2015 #111
No we won't ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #115
I hear ya 1strong. Am pretty certain they'd never approach your group for answers anyway misterhighwasted Dec 2015 #118
Actually ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #121
I follow him also & I have much respect for his statements lately misterhighwasted Dec 2015 #125
I'm afraid MO'M is caught in that strange media space ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #127
So I've noticed. Funny, isn't it? CharlotteVale Dec 2015 #107
And, as HRC's CONTINUED defense of the Omnibus Crime Bill of 1996 proves Ken Burch Dec 2015 #123
Dear OP... msrizzo Dec 2015 #130
 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
1. That's the take home message...
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 11:05 PM
Dec 2015

... if your goal is to attempt to turn the focus off Sanders's snippiness with the press and onto the person who was not even there.

Nice try!

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
3. The mess is Bernie's not HRC's. The only spin is coming from those looking for a soft place to fall.
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 11:08 PM
Dec 2015

And it ain't the Hillary crew.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
8. Of course they come first, and they did come first.
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 11:16 PM
Dec 2015

But, if Bernie is to be President, he must learn to handle crap like this. ISIS is hugely important, too.

 

HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
20. Sure
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 11:36 PM
Dec 2015

But there's a time and a place to talk about ISIS. A press conference dealing with the needs of the AA community and inner city poverty is not one of them.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
24. Bernie made that clear. He didn't talk about ISIS. All's well that ends well.
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 11:42 PM
Dec 2015

Bernie came out fine.

Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #3)

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
100. And some are opportunists who will set aside principles and ethics
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 03:52 PM
Dec 2015

in order to exploit serious issues in an attempt to score political points.

.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
69. Honestly, after today I am positive the biggest enemy
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 04:28 AM
Dec 2015

is not a band of Isis supporters.....yeah....that.

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
31. Yes, yes, I know....
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 11:57 PM
Dec 2015

Evil Bernie, don't know why we didn't realize that before he entered the primary.

Thank Goodness that we have some honest, moderate, pragmatic, democrats that are willing to run around doing their best to extinguish any enthusiasm that might occur. Last thing we want in an election we desperately need to win is enthusiasm.

I'd say never change, but that doesn't seem to be a concern. Oh well, get plenty of sleep. Tomorrow's a new day with new chances to write people off. Have a lovely one.

Truprogressive85

(900 posts)
6. Poverty is much bigger issue
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 11:13 PM
Dec 2015

ISIS is more important than the needs to black people is what I get from HRC supporters and really disgusting

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
40. And probably all the same ones who were running around trying to say he was only for white males
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 12:39 AM
Dec 2015

and only about economic policy.

Never heard of an issue they won't exploit to score political points.

Racism, check.
Sexism, check.

I'm sure there's more but I'm going to get back to work now.

.

Truprogressive85

(900 posts)
51. its amazing
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 01:35 AM
Dec 2015
Issues that affect the democrats most loyal voting bloc and HC supporters are saying to we need to focus on ISIS

I live in the inner city I dare any Hillary Clinton supporter to come to my neighborhood and ask any of the resident ; what is more frighting ISIS or not being able to afford rent / putting food on the table ?

My support for Sen.Sanders is simple I'm not looking for a candidate that rub elbows with the rich and takes their money. They don't give money to your campaign without something in return .

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
53. Yes. Exactly. He is trying to make people's lives better. That's what we're supposed to be doing.
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 01:39 AM
Dec 2015

Not playing the Republican game of Terra Terra Terra!!!

.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
7. This is exactly right. The attacks today were deliberately to distract from that issue
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 11:16 PM
Dec 2015

Bernie was Awesome in Baltimore today, and many did not want to let him have that moment. And many also apparently don't care at all about the emergency situation in urban communities. Sanders is the one candidate that's willing to go really big and do what it takes to address the situation. And it's going to take big changes.

 

HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
21. I don't think the poster was implying the attacks came from the press.
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 11:37 PM
Dec 2015

I think they meant some Hillary supporters on this forum.

Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)
14. exactly
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 11:22 PM
Dec 2015

people are hungry and frightened. They are more worried about getting shot by someone in their neighborhood than ISIS.

 

KMOD

(7,906 posts)
36. Oh please,
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 12:07 AM
Dec 2015

He can't answer a question on ISIS, and then turn it back onto the issue he wishes to discuss?

 

KMOD

(7,906 posts)
45. No ISIS questions.
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 01:17 AM
Dec 2015

That's what his campaign requested.

Ridiculous.

If he wants to be President of the Untied States, he needs to be prepared to answer these questions, and not ask the press to omit them.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
46. And he was asked an ISIS question.
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 01:21 AM
Dec 2015

Kinda making your complaint moot, no?

If he wants to be President of the Untied States, he needs to be prepared to answer these questions, and not ask the press to omit them.

But "Her speech will be her interview" is perfectly fine, right?
 

KMOD

(7,906 posts)
49. His campaign manager tried to instruct the press to not ask him about ISIS.
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 01:28 AM
Dec 2015

And then he got all pissy when they ignored that request.

I have no idea what you are talking about in your next sentence.

If it's about Hillary, she has always answered questions, no matter how ridiculous, no matter how off topic.

She's been handling, and dealing with the press for decades. And she's a pro at it.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
58. More to the point, his Press Secretary tried to ORDER the press not to ask ISIS questions.
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 01:58 AM
Dec 2015

The shit hit the fan not when someone asked an "ISIS" question, but when they asked

"Why did your press secretary tell us to not ask any ISIS questions?"

His staff is JUNIOR VARSITY.

That's where the problem lies. His press secretary is wet behind the ears still. She's having trouble handling the national press.

The fact that he seemed stunned that underserved neighborhoods are food/banking deserts didn't help him out, either. This isn't news but he looked like a deer in the headlights. He can take a short cab ride from his DC office and see the same shit, if he was interested...

Maybe he'll start to "get" what people (like our own Bravenak) were saying to him. Nothing like a walkabout to understand that without social justice, his "economic justice" platform won't get anywhere NEAR Freddie Gray's neighborhood.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
80. *cough cough*
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 06:59 AM
Dec 2015
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026775414

Seems Clinton supporters didn't have a problem with Hillary controlling the press and limiting it to NO questions whatsoever. Obviously she doesn't always answer questions no matter what.

But you see, that is shrewdness, that is presidential behavior, that is....oh fuck, it is just a double standard from the usual folks who love to find anything they can to yammer on about with Sanders and his campaign.

First it is not good enough Sanders with PoC and now when he says, let's focus on PoC in this country for a moment instead of ISIL yet again today, its is not good enough Sanders.

If it wasn't so fucking ridiculous, it would be quite funny!
 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
85. I know I should be used to it,
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 09:35 AM
Dec 2015

but this barrage of nonsense is so breathtakingly stupid that it surprised me.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
95. Watch the video, he did not get pissy.
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 11:18 AM
Dec 2015
I have no idea what you are talking about in your next sentence.

If it's about Hillary, she has always answered questions, no matter how ridiculous, no matter how off topic.

It's a quote from Clinton campaign aides, where she refused to answer any questions.

Which, if you were intellectually consistent, would mean you should have a larger problem with that. After all, Sanders at least took questions.

It's fascinating just how often Clinton's supporters manage to forget what their own candidate has said and done.
 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
59. Hell, they didn't even ask him until he was walking away
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 02:00 AM
Dec 2015

It's not like they interrupted him. So much drama by the Bernie supporters here. Not Hillary's fault if he looks inept on issues like ISIS and FP. Not the fault of Hillary supporters either. So the whole premise of this thread is just ridiculous and defamatory.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
11. You know as well as I that we care about Baltimore.
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 11:20 PM
Dec 2015

Lately all the anti Hillary posts are innuendo and taking things out of context. They aren't even pissing anyone off because they are so bogus.

That is very telling.


Bread and Circus

(9,454 posts)
83. Just going by what I read. I mean it used to be BLM 24/7 around here...now it's....
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 09:21 AM
Dec 2015

"nevermind that, let's talk about real world issues...ISIS!!!11!!!" 24/7

Someone here predicted that BLM would be dropped like a hot potato by the Clinton crowd when the next crisis du jour presented itself. Can't say I am happy they were correct.

GusBob

(7,286 posts)
13. Looking forward to a president who can handle domestic and foreign policy both
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 11:22 PM
Dec 2015

I don't think BS can do either. His campaign guy really messed up the show.

Response to GusBob (Reply #13)

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
72. True, he won't crack jokes about killing heads of states
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 04:38 AM
Dec 2015

Actually, he doesn't seem to find war or killing a laughing matter. Maybe he is just too serious.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
105. Iraq War thing again. You know that may open the door to.. bernies MIC F-35 Contract.
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 04:10 PM
Dec 2015

The war he brags about being against actually became a big MIC Contract grab for Sen Sanders' State of Vt. Much to Vermonters opposition, Sanders still brought home the big F-35 boondoggle billion $$ MIC Contract.
The same F-35 that fires 3300 rnds pr minute and is designed to kill anything in its path., including innocent children women men & animals.

Bernie's State profitted as well as Wall St Investors in Contractors, parts manufacturers & transporters.

Profit before people.
30% bernie beats his chest about his Iraq No vote, but refuses to talk about war, as though he is against war.
But of course any conversation that would expose his welcoming of the F-35 MIC Contract & would show us the side he clearly wants to keep off limits.

K?

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
15. What an inappropriate thing to say!
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 11:22 PM
Dec 2015

You can't possibly believe this, why say it? Is it that important to boost your candidate by insulting others who obviously care about Baltimore and every other hurting inner city in this country?

Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)
17. you missed the point
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 11:28 PM
Dec 2015

the Hillary supporters here were spinning the ISIS/CNN thing at the expense of the people of Baltimore City.

 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
16. C'Mon Rosa... They Don't Care About ANYTHING Other Than Winning...
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 11:27 PM
Dec 2015

Have you seen the blatant spin over the last month or two ???

And watch... It's gonna get worse... and more obvious.

Bookmark it.






Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
116. Guess where I've been?
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 05:18 PM
Dec 2015

Out working for Hillary 2016. Going out again in about an hour. Have fun manning the keyboard. I'm gonna talk to real people and get more commitment cards and registrations out there. You have to get someone in office to start working on policies. Would be nice too if people were equally concerned about replacing the deadbeats in Congress. Just a thought.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
106. Well lets talk about who's State benefitted by F-35 MIC Contracts.
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 04:21 PM
Dec 2015

Bernie sanders vote to fund the big pork filled War Bill, gave him a veritable buffet of MIC Contracts. Against Vermonters wishes, good old "against war and against wall st" Sen Sanders, welcomed the biggest overbloated MiC contract of all. The F-35

Not so much against War or Wall St MIC Contract Investors afterall.
Profit before People belongs to bernie sanders as well.
Its public record. He owns his lie.
Of course bernie wants to avoid war questions.
He jumped right in the MIC War Contracts like many did.
The hypocrisy is the problem with bernie sanders.

 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
29. I just iggied the first MOM supporter ...
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 11:54 PM
Dec 2015

The vicious Hillary supporters are long gone ... I couldn't care less what they think or say ...

matt819

(10,749 posts)
32. They want a safe space
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 11:57 PM
Dec 2015

The oh-so-sensitive Hillary supporters want a safe space complete with trigger warnings and milk and cookies for snack time. The idiocy here is that most Bernie or Hillary supporters will vote for whoever gets the nomination. Surveys have indicated that upwards of 15% won't vote for Hillary; I haven't seen numbers for Hillary voters would wouldn't vote for Bernie. I liken the non voter demographic to the Ralph Nader voters in 2000.

So, no, I would prefer Bernie, I don't like the Hillary group here, and, yes, I will vote for her if she's the candidate.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
42. If Hillary gets the nom and loses the general (which I'm sure she would)
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 12:46 AM
Dec 2015

Last edited Wed Dec 9, 2015, 01:36 AM - Edit history (2)

it'll be Bernie supporters who get the blame when in fact it will be Hillary supporters' fault for voting for her in the primary. Give the people a candidate they can get behind. Give them the one that truly represents Democratic values.

There are people who LOATHE Hillary and will come out and vote against her even if they wouldn't have voted otherwise.

.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
63. They tried to hide you.
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 02:35 AM
Dec 2015
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cui bono

(19,926 posts)
101. Their fingers must be twitching and sending accidental alerts now.
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 03:54 PM
Dec 2015

I keep seeing sillier and sillier alerts these days, no one could be sending them on purpose.

.

matt819

(10,749 posts)
132. Thanks for this
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 10:18 PM
Dec 2015

I've already been blocked from posting in the Hillary group, which prompted my post about safe spaces. And the alert just st highlights what I meant by safe space. What silliness.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
35. Or black lives. Otherwise they would support canning Rahm.
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 12:02 AM
Dec 2015

Instead of supporting continued confidence in him.

JohnnyRingo

(18,640 posts)
48. Now that's the way to win people over.
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 01:21 AM
Dec 2015

I don't imagine President Sanders will be considering you for a diplomat appointment.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
117. Like an end to redlining ...
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 05:26 PM
Dec 2015

An end to the withdrawal of city services ... investments in infrastructure and education.

 

ErikJ

(6,335 posts)
124. What kind of redlining?
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 05:48 PM
Dec 2015

I agree they need newer better schools but it will have to have more security guards/police because nobody can learn when discipline of classes is almost impossible for any teacher.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
129. The kind of redlining that ...
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 05:58 PM
Dec 2015

Tags inner city businesses as "high loss risk" with no supporting data.

 

ErikJ

(6,335 posts)
131. Probably mostly insurance rates too high.
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 06:31 PM
Dec 2015

Too many armed robberies and too much shoplifting in an area can make it too unprofitable to do business in that area because of very high liability insurance rates. The drug problem is probably what mostly fuels that.
If we ended the drug war and legalized drugs it would probably end the gang wars over drugs which would do a lot to help the situation.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
133. Except the insurance companies can't/won't produce loss data
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 10:30 PM
Dec 2015

to demonstrate that ... rather they just say, "it's the ghetto ... what do you expect?"

But, none of that has anything to do with your diversity/integration solution.

White won't make it right.

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
56. It's been apparent for a while now
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 01:54 AM
Dec 2015

that their "concerns" about whatever issue they are clucking about at the moment are dropped like hot potatoes when they are no longer useful for formulating political attacks against Clinton's opponents.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
64. it became obvious #Black Lives Matter stopped mattering to Clinton's boosters
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 02:43 AM
Dec 2015

when they didn't endorse Clinton now ISIS is the flavor of the week next week who knows

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
76. I haven't seen them all weigh in on this issue yet.
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 04:45 AM
Dec 2015

Maybe, just maybe some are sickened by the responses they have seen on this too. I keep wanting to hope that some of the posters I once agreed with on issues but lately have a hard time even recognizing from their posts has seen the light.

You know, the prodigal son, kind of thing. I would welcome them back with open arms.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
110. Black Lives Matter has not and will not endorse anyone
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 04:52 PM
Dec 2015

But please, don't let that stop you from your "point" whatever it is.

This entire thread is disgusting. But not in any way surprising.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
122. What is so disgusting about this thread?
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 05:41 PM
Dec 2015

my point is there is a reason that Hillary's boosters are referred to as Camp Weathervane

Number23

(24,544 posts)
128. And I guess my point is that there is a reason that Sanders supporters have a really
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 05:56 PM
Dec 2015

well established reputation all up and down and over the entire Internet.

And this thread with the idiotic contention that Hillary supporters don't care about Baltimore and subsequent posts within that Hillary supporters no longer care about BLM because they "didn't endorse" Hillary even though they have said time and again as an organization they will not endorse anyone, is Exhibit 7,279,731 of why that is.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
89. I think it is in part a response to your own OP slamming Bernie for focusing on Baltimore and the
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 10:08 AM
Dec 2015

issues he was there to discuss with the Baltimore community:

"Bernie Sanders just disqualified himself as Commander in Chief"-Tue Dec 8, 2015, 06:07 PM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251885890

So you were first on the spot with the hyperbolic characterizations and declarations such as that about our candidates but you expect that others will not respond in kind? That's super disingenuous if you ask me.

RandySF

(59,167 posts)
93. And this is the problem with Bernie and most of you.
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 10:41 AM
Dec 2015

Bernie and his supporters only seem to be capable of handling one issue at a time when the POTUS has numerous issue on his/her plate at any given time. Yet, there we were with Bernie's press secretary telling reporters not to ask a single question about ISIS. He couldn't handle one question?

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
99. My point is that you and this OP are basically vending the same goods, hyperbolic bashing of the
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 03:35 PM
Dec 2015

candidate they don't like. You of course add more personal insults because of course you can't defend your own contributions to the toxic word spill that DU is becoming. It's not impressive.

Ali-96

(10 posts)
81. Don't slander Hillary supporters
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 07:07 AM
Dec 2015

Okay, WAY TOO FAR. I have so much respect for Hillary supporters because they are actually very close to Bernie supporters! We should embrace these people and introduce them to the reasons why Bernie is the best choice! No demagoguery, as Bernie says!

Hillary supporters, ignore this media stupidity and the vitriol towards you. Go and look up Bernie's stance on the issues and make up your minds. We need you on our side!

Bread and Circus

(9,454 posts)
84. Given that you are new I appreciate the enthusiasm but if you think this discussion is about the
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 09:23 AM
Dec 2015

careful parsing of the issues then you have a lot of fun and discovery in store for you.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
87. I think that is overstated, I'd say they just don't mind exploiting the people of Balitimore
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 09:55 AM
Dec 2015

in rhetoric that ranges from 'nothing is more important than these issues they face' to 'why talk about those problems when there is terrorism in the world'. It's a matter of making use of issues for one's own purpose rather than advocating issues with the goal of making progress on those issues.

I've been doing a great deal of reading about Baltimore, prompted by current events and the involvement of artists I know. Lots of major problems there, from lead paint poisoning to condemned buildings to lack of access to groceries, a lack of jobs. These things have to be addressed, they can not be put eternally aside while we focus on 'terror'. To do so would be morally reprehensible. Those who are calling for that are simply wrong, even from a national security point of view.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
88. They can't grasp why Sanders doesn't drop everything
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 10:05 AM
Dec 2015

And run around with his hair on fire every time the word 'terrorism' is uttered.

RandySF

(59,167 posts)
94. What's upsetting you folks
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 10:45 AM
Dec 2015

is Sanders being asked to handle more than one issue at a given time. And you know that foreign policy is a weak point. Otherwise, he wouldn't have run away. Sanders' press secretary told the press not to ask any ISIS questions. Why? Because he can't walk and chew gum?

MineralMan

(146,325 posts)
96. Not necessarily. However, relatively few DUers live in the
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 11:28 AM
Dec 2015

Baltimore area. Where I live, we have equally serious problems in our cities. We're very concerned with them, too, but we're also able to be concerned about other issues at the same time. Here in the Twin Cities, we had a couple of racist morons shoot five people who were protesting in the street. We also just read about a former Minnesota resident being held for terrorism in Africa. Apparently, he's been recruiting people here in Minneapolis to join ISIS or some other terror group.

Multi-tasking. We need a President who can multi-task. Yes, we do.

Personally, I care about Baltimore. I care about problems in all urban areas. I care about lots of things at the same time. It is not a zero-sum thing.

George II

(67,782 posts)
97. Rather presumptuous aren't you? Up until yesterday Sanders and his supporters...
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 11:32 AM
Dec 2015

...barely knew Baltimore existed.

Why, after 25+ years of working within about 30 miles of Baltimore is this suddenly an "issue" for Sanders? Shouldn't he have noticed the deplorable conditions there decades ago?

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
109. Its a pathetic attempt to now, in the middle of a crises of murders & refugees,
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 04:39 PM
Dec 2015

..to vie for media attention.
HRC is too far ahead to catch & Trump is sucking up all the media attention.
Funny that he thinks a visit to Baltimores poor commujities is going to be seen as anything but pandering for attention.
He had his opportunity to address AA groups.
He blew it off for a speech at the racist bigots of Liberty U.
That had a bigger impact than his walking off stage in their presence, twice.
Follw that event with an immediate stump speech at Liberty U, was a double slap in the face of those AA groups waiting to be heard.
Unfortunately, that is how they saw it, and that will never be forgotten.

Bernie is not Presidential material in a diverse America.
Not to the AA population.
No bandaid TV interview will ever fix that moment.
Its done & in the history books forever.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
126. First, I don't support HRC ...
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 05:49 PM
Dec 2015

beyond not buying into the DU bullshit.

I was 47, and 25+ years of political activism, in 2008.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
102. Are we to say every time I read negative post towards Hillary I can conclude Bernie supporters
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 03:55 PM
Dec 2015

does not care about people? Kinda a broad brush.

Response to Rosa Luxemburg (Original post)

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
108. Well she never walked off stage in a huff .
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 04:26 PM
Dec 2015

You know the AA Group here on DU would happily answer you question.
Theres plenty of info out about her friendships & loyalty & comittments to their concerns.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
111. The conservative tough stand on drug laws has hurt the AA community disproportionally. The
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 05:01 PM
Dec 2015

police can use the power to target People of Color. HRC has always stood with the conservatives on tough drug laws. Even today when states are legalizing medical marijuana and recreational marijuana, she won't back down.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
115. No we won't ...
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 05:18 PM
Dec 2015

At least this African-American won't ... not again, for the 895th time.

It is clear that what we say falls on deaf ears because DU:Bernie knows better than we do.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
118. I hear ya 1strong. Am pretty certain they'd never approach your group for answers anyway
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 05:33 PM
Dec 2015

My apologies. If they don't know HRC's policies & loyalties by now, they just aren't interested in the truth.

It's too late for bernie to put that misstep back in the box & haul out an image re-do.

1&1/2 months till IOWA caucaus 1StrongBlackMan.
Then it becomes a different kind of fight.
We will get her to the White House

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
121. Actually ...
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 05:40 PM
Dec 2015

I'm just hoping that Martin O'Mallet can get some space ... he has plans and a track record of getting progressive stuff done.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
125. I follow him also & I have much respect for his statements lately
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 05:48 PM
Dec 2015

I honestly have always liked him, & canmot understand why he polls so low.
He is far wiser & more trustable as a leader than sanders.
I do hope if HRC takes 2016, Martin O'Malley is given a position of dignity where his strengths can be benefit this country,.he has many.
He's a smart man.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
123. And, as HRC's CONTINUED defense of the Omnibus Crime Bill of 1996 proves
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 05:47 PM
Dec 2015

HRC never really gave a damn about the fight against institutional racism, a fight HRC never participated in between 1972 and 2015, and a fight in which she was on the pro-institutional racism side when she helped found the DLC.

People who want the conversation to mainly be about ISIS no longer care about fighting social or economic injustice, because you can't obsess about terrorism and STILL care at all about those things(In this country, ISIS is basically a rich heterosexual white people's priority, because it doesn't affect anyone else here).

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