2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary supporters here obviously don't care about Baltimore
judging by their derogatory posts about Bernie's visit to Baltimore today they are so wrapped up in their ISIS thing, Wall Street and CNN supporters that they are forgetting that people in Baltimore are actually hurting. Bernie pointed out that Baltimore city is practically devoid of grocery stores and people have practically no way of getting fresh nutritional food. Amongst the rubble of many of the neighborhoods in Baltimore there is a gleaming MacDonalds or some other which provides most of the non-nutritional food. Many of our city's children go to bed hungry. Most of the areas downtown are drug-ridden with many shootings. If a couple of people in a suburban mall are shot there is an uproar yet nobody cares about Baltimore city.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)... if your goal is to attempt to turn the focus off Sanders's snippiness with the press and onto the person who was not even there.
Nice try!
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)And it ain't the Hillary crew.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)But, if Bernie is to be President, he must learn to handle crap like this. ISIS is hugely important, too.
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)But there's a time and a place to talk about ISIS. A press conference dealing with the needs of the AA community and inner city poverty is not one of them.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Bernie came out fine.
Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #3)
Name removed Message auto-removed
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)artislife
(9,497 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Some are so conditioned by it they think its normal.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)in order to exploit serious issues in an attempt to score political points.
.
artislife
(9,497 posts)is not a band of Isis supporters.....yeah....that.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)SMH.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)Evil Bernie, don't know why we didn't realize that before he entered the primary.
Thank Goodness that we have some honest, moderate, pragmatic, democrats that are willing to run around doing their best to extinguish any enthusiasm that might occur. Last thing we want in an election we desperately need to win is enthusiasm.
I'd say never change, but that doesn't seem to be a concern. Oh well, get plenty of sleep. Tomorrow's a new day with new chances to write people off. Have a lovely one.
Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)onehandle
(51,122 posts)Truprogressive85
(900 posts)ISIS is more important than the needs to black people is what I get from HRC supporters and really disgusting
cui bono
(19,926 posts)and only about economic policy.
Never heard of an issue they won't exploit to score political points.
Racism, check.
Sexism, check.
I'm sure there's more but I'm going to get back to work now.
.
Truprogressive85
(900 posts)I live in the inner city I dare any Hillary Clinton supporter to come to my neighborhood and ask any of the resident ; what is more frighting ISIS or not being able to afford rent / putting food on the table ?
My support for Sen.Sanders is simple I'm not looking for a candidate that rub elbows with the rich and takes their money. They don't give money to your campaign without something in return .
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Not playing the Republican game of Terra Terra Terra!!!
.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Bernie was Awesome in Baltimore today, and many did not want to let him have that moment. And many also apparently don't care at all about the emergency situation in urban communities. Sanders is the one candidate that's willing to go really big and do what it takes to address the situation. And it's going to take big changes.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)I think they meant some Hillary supporters on this forum.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)a matching set of seven.
Got to smear them all.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Gotta have the whole set or it's not a collector's item!
.
bvf
(6,604 posts)peacebird
(14,195 posts)Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)people are hungry and frightened. They are more worried about getting shot by someone in their neighborhood than ISIS.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)He can't answer a question on ISIS, and then turn it back onto the issue he wishes to discuss?
jeff47
(26,549 posts)KMOD
(7,906 posts)That's what his campaign requested.
Ridiculous.
If he wants to be President of the Untied States, he needs to be prepared to answer these questions, and not ask the press to omit them.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Kinda making your complaint moot, no?
But "Her speech will be her interview" is perfectly fine, right?
KMOD
(7,906 posts)And then he got all pissy when they ignored that request.
I have no idea what you are talking about in your next sentence.
If it's about Hillary, she has always answered questions, no matter how ridiculous, no matter how off topic.
She's been handling, and dealing with the press for decades. And she's a pro at it.
MADem
(135,425 posts)The shit hit the fan not when someone asked an "ISIS" question, but when they asked
"Why did your press secretary tell us to not ask any ISIS questions?"
His staff is JUNIOR VARSITY.
That's where the problem lies. His press secretary is wet behind the ears still. She's having trouble handling the national press.
The fact that he seemed stunned that underserved neighborhoods are food/banking deserts didn't help him out, either. This isn't news but he looked like a deer in the headlights. He can take a short cab ride from his DC office and see the same shit, if he was interested...
Maybe he'll start to "get" what people (like our own Bravenak) were saying to him. Nothing like a walkabout to understand that without social justice, his "economic justice" platform won't get anywhere NEAR Freddie Gray's neighborhood.
Seems Clinton supporters didn't have a problem with Hillary controlling the press and limiting it to NO questions whatsoever. Obviously she doesn't always answer questions no matter what.
But you see, that is shrewdness, that is presidential behavior, that is....oh fuck, it is just a double standard from the usual folks who love to find anything they can to yammer on about with Sanders and his campaign.
First it is not good enough Sanders with PoC and now when he says, let's focus on PoC in this country for a moment instead of ISIL yet again today, its is not good enough Sanders.
If it wasn't so fucking ridiculous, it would be quite funny!
Vattel
(9,289 posts)but this barrage of nonsense is so breathtakingly stupid that it surprised me.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)If it's about Hillary, she has always answered questions, no matter how ridiculous, no matter how off topic.
It's a quote from Clinton campaign aides, where she refused to answer any questions.
Which, if you were intellectually consistent, would mean you should have a larger problem with that. After all, Sanders at least took questions.
It's fascinating just how often Clinton's supporters manage to forget what their own candidate has said and done.
questionseverything
(9,657 posts)MaggieD
(7,393 posts)It's not like they interrupted him. So much drama by the Bernie supporters here. Not Hillary's fault if he looks inept on issues like ISIS and FP. Not the fault of Hillary supporters either. So the whole premise of this thread is just ridiculous and defamatory.
artislife
(9,497 posts)upaloopa
(11,417 posts)Lately all the anti Hillary posts are innuendo and taking things out of context. They aren't even pissing anyone off because they are so bogus.
That is very telling.
Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)Why is that?
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)upaloopa
(11,417 posts)Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)"nevermind that, let's talk about real world issues...ISIS!!!11!!!" 24/7
Someone here predicted that BLM would be dropped like a hot potato by the Clinton crowd when the next crisis du jour presented itself. Can't say I am happy they were correct.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)GusBob
(7,286 posts)I don't think BS can do either. His campaign guy really messed up the show.
Response to GusBob (Reply #13)
Name removed Message auto-removed
Trajan
(19,089 posts)good bye ...
artislife
(9,497 posts)Actually, he doesn't seem to find war or killing a laughing matter. Maybe he is just too serious.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)Dawgs
(14,755 posts)That makes sense.
misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)The war he brags about being against actually became a big MIC Contract grab for Sen Sanders' State of Vt. Much to Vermonters opposition, Sanders still brought home the big F-35 boondoggle billion $$ MIC Contract.
The same F-35 that fires 3300 rnds pr minute and is designed to kill anything in its path., including innocent children women men & animals.
Bernie's State profitted as well as Wall St Investors in Contractors, parts manufacturers & transporters.
Profit before people.
30% bernie beats his chest about his Iraq No vote, but refuses to talk about war, as though he is against war.
But of course any conversation that would expose his welcoming of the F-35 MIC Contract & would show us the side he clearly wants to keep off limits.
K?
Dem2
(8,168 posts)You can't possibly believe this, why say it? Is it that important to boost your candidate by insulting others who obviously care about Baltimore and every other hurting inner city in this country?
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)the Hillary supporters here were spinning the ISIS/CNN thing at the expense of the people of Baltimore City.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)Have you seen the blatant spin over the last month or two ???
And watch... It's gonna get worse... and more obvious.
Bookmark it.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)because I am actually here.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Skidmore
(37,364 posts)Out working for Hillary 2016. Going out again in about an hour. Have fun manning the keyboard. I'm gonna talk to real people and get more commitment cards and registrations out there. You have to get someone in office to start working on policies. Would be nice too if people were equally concerned about replacing the deadbeats in Congress. Just a thought.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)Bernie sanders vote to fund the big pork filled War Bill, gave him a veritable buffet of MIC Contracts. Against Vermonters wishes, good old "against war and against wall st" Sen Sanders, welcomed the biggest overbloated MiC contract of all. The F-35
Not so much against War or Wall St MIC Contract Investors afterall.
Profit before People belongs to bernie sanders as well.
Its public record. He owns his lie.
Of course bernie wants to avoid war questions.
He jumped right in the MIC War Contracts like many did.
The hypocrisy is the problem with bernie sanders.
Trajan
(19,089 posts)The vicious Hillary supporters are long gone ... I couldn't care less what they think or say ...
I see nothing, I hear nothing, I say nothing.
misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)..just like HRC.
Viscious..
matt819
(10,749 posts)The oh-so-sensitive Hillary supporters want a safe space complete with trigger warnings and milk and cookies for snack time. The idiocy here is that most Bernie or Hillary supporters will vote for whoever gets the nomination. Surveys have indicated that upwards of 15% won't vote for Hillary; I haven't seen numbers for Hillary voters would wouldn't vote for Bernie. I liken the non voter demographic to the Ralph Nader voters in 2000.
So, no, I would prefer Bernie, I don't like the Hillary group here, and, yes, I will vote for her if she's the candidate.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Last edited Wed Dec 9, 2015, 01:36 AM - Edit history (2)
it'll be Bernie supporters who get the blame when in fact it will be Hillary supporters' fault for voting for her in the primary. Give the people a candidate they can get behind. Give them the one that truly represents Democratic values.
There are people who LOATHE Hillary and will come out and vote against her even if they wouldn't have voted otherwise.
.
artislife
(9,497 posts)Their sorrow is not my concern.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)On Tue Dec 8, 2015, 11:30 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
They want a safe space
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=886348
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
Highly offensive and inappropriate. And the only people I've ever seen mock "trigger warnings" are blantant MRA's
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Dec 8, 2015, 11:33 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: it is a little rude an snarky but the message is OK
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Nothing to hide. I would t be surprised if the jury comes back 0-7 to leave it.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The only sentiments that should be hidden are the alerter's.
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.
I was jurror 4
cui bono
(19,926 posts)I keep seeing sillier and sillier alerts these days, no one could be sending them on purpose.
.
matt819
(10,749 posts)I've already been blocked from posting in the Hillary group, which prompted my post about safe spaces. And the alert just st highlights what I meant by safe space. What silliness.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Instead of supporting continued confidence in him.
artislife
(9,497 posts)JohnnyRingo
(18,640 posts)I don't imagine President Sanders will be considering you for a diplomat appointment.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)MaggieD
(7,393 posts)ErikJ
(6,335 posts)And I'm a rabid Bernie supporter
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)They need infrastructure and investment.
ErikJ
(6,335 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)An end to the withdrawal of city services ... investments in infrastructure and education.
ErikJ
(6,335 posts)I agree they need newer better schools but it will have to have more security guards/police because nobody can learn when discipline of classes is almost impossible for any teacher.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Tags inner city businesses as "high loss risk" with no supporting data.
ErikJ
(6,335 posts)Too many armed robberies and too much shoplifting in an area can make it too unprofitable to do business in that area because of very high liability insurance rates. The drug problem is probably what mostly fuels that.
If we ended the drug war and legalized drugs it would probably end the gang wars over drugs which would do a lot to help the situation.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)to demonstrate that ... rather they just say, "it's the ghetto ... what do you expect?"
But, none of that has anything to do with your diversity/integration solution.
White won't make it right.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)that their "concerns" about whatever issue they are clucking about at the moment are dropped like hot potatoes when they are no longer useful for formulating political attacks against Clinton's opponents.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)when they didn't endorse Clinton now ISIS is the flavor of the week next week who knows
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)artislife
(9,497 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Maybe, just maybe some are sickened by the responses they have seen on this too. I keep wanting to hope that some of the posters I once agreed with on issues but lately have a hard time even recognizing from their posts has seen the light.
You know, the prodigal son, kind of thing. I would welcome them back with open arms.
Number23
(24,544 posts)But please, don't let that stop you from your "point" whatever it is.
This entire thread is disgusting. But not in any way surprising.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)my point is there is a reason that Hillary's boosters are referred to as Camp Weathervane
Number23
(24,544 posts)well established reputation all up and down and over the entire Internet.
And this thread with the idiotic contention that Hillary supporters don't care about Baltimore and subsequent posts within that Hillary supporters no longer care about BLM because they "didn't endorse" Hillary even though they have said time and again as an organization they will not endorse anyone, is Exhibit 7,279,731 of why that is.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)It left me SMH.
RandySF
(59,167 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)issues he was there to discuss with the Baltimore community:
"Bernie Sanders just disqualified himself as Commander in Chief"-Tue Dec 8, 2015, 06:07 PM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251885890
So you were first on the spot with the hyperbolic characterizations and declarations such as that about our candidates but you expect that others will not respond in kind? That's super disingenuous if you ask me.
RandySF
(59,167 posts)Bernie and his supporters only seem to be capable of handling one issue at a time when the POTUS has numerous issue on his/her plate at any given time. Yet, there we were with Bernie's press secretary telling reporters not to ask a single question about ISIS. He couldn't handle one question?
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)candidate they don't like. You of course add more personal insults because of course you can't defend your own contributions to the toxic word spill that DU is becoming. It's not impressive.
RandySF
(59,167 posts)WTF does that mean?
Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)So, nanny nanny boo boo to you too.
Ali-96
(10 posts)Okay, WAY TOO FAR. I have so much respect for Hillary supporters because they are actually very close to Bernie supporters! We should embrace these people and introduce them to the reasons why Bernie is the best choice! No demagoguery, as Bernie says!
Hillary supporters, ignore this media stupidity and the vitriol towards you. Go and look up Bernie's stance on the issues and make up your minds. We need you on our side!
Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)careful parsing of the issues then you have a lot of fun and discovery in store for you.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)in rhetoric that ranges from 'nothing is more important than these issues they face' to 'why talk about those problems when there is terrorism in the world'. It's a matter of making use of issues for one's own purpose rather than advocating issues with the goal of making progress on those issues.
I've been doing a great deal of reading about Baltimore, prompted by current events and the involvement of artists I know. Lots of major problems there, from lead paint poisoning to condemned buildings to lack of access to groceries, a lack of jobs. These things have to be addressed, they can not be put eternally aside while we focus on 'terror'. To do so would be morally reprehensible. Those who are calling for that are simply wrong, even from a national security point of view.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)And run around with his hair on fire every time the word 'terrorism' is uttered.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)RandySF
(59,167 posts)is Sanders being asked to handle more than one issue at a given time. And you know that foreign policy is a weak point. Otherwise, he wouldn't have run away. Sanders' press secretary told the press not to ask any ISIS questions. Why? Because he can't walk and chew gum?
MineralMan
(146,325 posts)Baltimore area. Where I live, we have equally serious problems in our cities. We're very concerned with them, too, but we're also able to be concerned about other issues at the same time. Here in the Twin Cities, we had a couple of racist morons shoot five people who were protesting in the street. We also just read about a former Minnesota resident being held for terrorism in Africa. Apparently, he's been recruiting people here in Minneapolis to join ISIS or some other terror group.
Multi-tasking. We need a President who can multi-task. Yes, we do.
Personally, I care about Baltimore. I care about problems in all urban areas. I care about lots of things at the same time. It is not a zero-sum thing.
George II
(67,782 posts)...barely knew Baltimore existed.
Why, after 25+ years of working within about 30 miles of Baltimore is this suddenly an "issue" for Sanders? Shouldn't he have noticed the deplorable conditions there decades ago?
misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)..to vie for media attention.
HRC is too far ahead to catch & Trump is sucking up all the media attention.
Funny that he thinks a visit to Baltimores poor commujities is going to be seen as anything but pandering for attention.
He had his opportunity to address AA groups.
He blew it off for a speech at the racist bigots of Liberty U.
That had a bigger impact than his walking off stage in their presence, twice.
Follw that event with an immediate stump speech at Liberty U, was a double slap in the face of those AA groups waiting to be heard.
Unfortunately, that is how they saw it, and that will never be forgotten.
Bernie is not Presidential material in a diverse America.
Not to the AA population.
No bandaid TV interview will ever fix that moment.
Its done & in the history books forever.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)A WTF moment for this Black man.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)beyond not buying into the DU bullshit.
I was 47, and 25+ years of political activism, in 2008.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)does not care about people? Kinda a broad brush.
Response to Rosa Luxemburg (Original post)
Name removed Message auto-removed
misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)You know the AA Group here on DU would happily answer you question.
Theres plenty of info out about her friendships & loyalty & comittments to their concerns.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)police can use the power to target People of Color. HRC has always stood with the conservatives on tough drug laws. Even today when states are legalizing medical marijuana and recreational marijuana, she won't back down.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)At least this African-American won't ... not again, for the 895th time.
It is clear that what we say falls on deaf ears because DU:Bernie knows better than we do.
misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)My apologies. If they don't know HRC's policies & loyalties by now, they just aren't interested in the truth.
It's too late for bernie to put that misstep back in the box & haul out an image re-do.
1&1/2 months till IOWA caucaus 1StrongBlackMan.
Then it becomes a different kind of fight.
We will get her to the White House
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)I'm just hoping that Martin O'Mallet can get some space ... he has plans and a track record of getting progressive stuff done.
misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)I honestly have always liked him, & canmot understand why he polls so low.
He is far wiser & more trustable as a leader than sanders.
I do hope if HRC takes 2016, Martin O'Malley is given a position of dignity where his strengths can be benefit this country,.he has many.
He's a smart man.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)where he is not in the conversation.
CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)HRC never really gave a damn about the fight against institutional racism, a fight HRC never participated in between 1972 and 2015, and a fight in which she was on the pro-institutional racism side when she helped found the DLC.
People who want the conversation to mainly be about ISIS no longer care about fighting social or economic injustice, because you can't obsess about terrorism and STILL care at all about those things(In this country, ISIS is basically a rich heterosexual white people's priority, because it doesn't affect anyone else here).
msrizzo
(796 posts)Where do you live in Baltimore? Just curious.