2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumMoveon.org endorses Bernie Sanders
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http://front.moveon.org/With a record-setting 78.6 percent of 340,665 votes cast by the MoveOn membership, Senator Bernie Sanders has won MoveOn.org Political Actions endorsement for president with the largest total and widest margin in MoveOn history.
Bernies vote total and percentage are MoveOn records the best any presidential candidate has performed in our 17-year history.
fleur-de-lisa
(14,628 posts)JRLeft
(7,010 posts)Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)lewebley3
(3,412 posts)You'll have to explain your reasoning. I can't tell if that's a good thing or are calling me a narcissist racist homophobic pathological lying piece of crap
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)It doesn't matter if it's nonsensical bullshit like this. That's the job.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)They just want basic freedoms and liberties. Those things that the Conservative Democrats are willing to sacrifice to insure the 1% continue to loot the land.
Once again I will ask that you tell us what moveon stands for that you object to.
merrily
(45,251 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)and has had since the July 29 Organizing Events. I find it impossible to believe that all the organizers, all the volunteers, all the donations, week after week will not translate into votes. The LAST thing all these people are going to do on election day is stay home. Hillary voters, however, . . .
snoringvoter
(178 posts)less than two miles from me, and invited me to the grand opening on Thursday. Of course, I'll attend.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)if you haven't already. The momentum and excitement of this campaign can't be understated. Volunteering and being with other enthusiastic volunteers is where you really feel the Bern.
Oh yeah, and as a DUer going to an EVENT, it is your job to take pictures and post to DU so we can all vicariously live your experience. And welcome to DU.
lob1
(3,820 posts)hedda_foil
(16,375 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)corporate candidate.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Android3.14
(5,402 posts)I have to commend you for maintaining your 2-minute response time to throw rotten cabbage.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)LWolf
(46,179 posts)when they favor Clinton.
You know this.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)davidpdx
(22,000 posts)about the voting. So when they come out with their sour puss face and try to claim that it won't do much good. Most of the Clinton supporters despise MoveOn anyway, that had to have helped a bit.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)It might explain some of the heavy right leanings that have been displayed since election season started up.
Jarqui
(10,129 posts)They've probably got hours of ads in the can to swiftboat her because she's provided them with 25 years of material. Knowing it won't be as easy for them to take on Sanders, they probably have their thumb on the scales.
They've been doing this sort of crap for decades (ie see Nixon's quiet financial support in 1968 for a Democrat to help divide and conquer the Dems).
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)which apparently means that since she ran eight years ago, everything that could possibly have come out about her has come out, and so that somehow none of that can ever be used against her again. I find it astonishing that they can honestly believe this.
Jarqui
(10,129 posts)because it's my biggest fear. I worry that the library of crap they can spin on her is so great they'll have a different scandal, flip-flop or lie replaying every day of the last 60 days of the campaign. And the Clinton campaign will be playing so much defense, it will be hard to get other messages out.
No doubt that I like Bernie more for a number of reasons. But my biggest thing is defending our last 8 years of effort with a Dem president. Hillary's poorer electability is a big difference to me between the two. And I think she's more vulnerable than the polls show because Bernie hasn't been doing much attacking. The the GOP really cut loose I think she'll fall and won't be able to bounce back unless the GOP has a worse fall.
Look at Bill's sex scandal. Many folks around here would agree with Clinton supporters that that wasn't Hillary's fault and shouldn't have a much place in this election.
But the GOP are going to play that up for everything thing it's worth. And it's worth something because many will subconsciously flash back to the time when they were not exactly proud of the Clintons in the White House because the president was taking time out of his busy schedule for getting blow jobs in the Oval Office. That's not my favorite memory of the Clinton years but the GOP will not let me forget it. And it will dent her in the polls a point or two.
Travelgate, Whitewater ... through to the still smoldering Benghazzi, Emailgate, Clinton foundation payoffs, etc.
Bernie does not have that big amount of baggage. They'll burn him some with his socialist label but when many folks find out what that really means, it's not going to hurt him nearly as much of all the stuff they have on Hillary.
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)They'll do the same thing to Hillary, just like they did to Obama and every other Democratic candidate, so I don't think we should really be worried about the Red Scare as a deterrent.
Jarqui
(10,129 posts)The different is how much it happens and how much traction it will get. The volume of Clinton's scandals, flip-flops and lies is likely to get more traction than most in my opinion.
Trying to brand Bernie as a commie is coming. And they'll probably ding him a few points in the polls for it. But what I'm seeing is as more people get familiar with him, they like him and he's still rising.
Everyone knows who Hillary is, a good percentage do not like or trust her so she's close to her ceiling. YHou're not likely to see a big rise or lots of enthusiasm.
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)Every time it comes up we're supposed to run screaming away from it. Bernie embraces it, and I don't think they know what to do with that, hopefully he can kill that form of attack for good.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)any real relationship to Hillary's actual life or the truth. Voters, especially independent voters have been conditioned to expect to associate scandals with the Clintons. Some of the rumors are completely absurd, but people, even some of my friends, just believe them anyway.
Hillary is just not a good candidate for a number of reasons.
I like the fact that she is a woman. I would be so proud to have a woman president, but Hillary is not the right one.
merrily
(45,251 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)a webpage because Sanders got a good endorsement of a good Democratic org. Yea, Sanders.
See, simple.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)So, Scuba's comment isn't without merit.
merrily
(45,251 posts)his endorsements. I don't know where the holier than thou stuff is coming from, but I don't have amnesia and it's way too soon for me to forget in the ordinary course of things.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)They bemoan all the "attacks" coming at hillary in one breath and espouse how strong a candidate she is in another.
The instant someone points to the facts of hillary's voting history... the actual actions over all the lip-service... they start wailing the whoa-is-she lines.
Point to Bernie's actual voting record, and suddenly her supporters are singing the "Anything You Can Do" Duet, only Bernie's not partaking in the one-upsmanship. He doesn't need to. His record is self evident, and amazing.
She goes from being a victim to being strong so fast and frequently, its enough to make you dizzy.
WIProgressive88
(314 posts)supporters are responsible for all the negativity while Clinton backers are simply innocent angels. A few minutes browsing this site would show any rational person that this is not the case.
Tanuki
(14,920 posts)Well as a democrat, not just a candidate "fan", I will vote for the winner of the primaries, and I will see the primary trends and work with the candidate that is winning, unlike others I have heard (both candidate supporters) who will not vote or go green, or turncoat GOP if their candidate loses.
merrily
(45,251 posts)nope not when the rhetoric keeps flowing......
rtracey
(2,062 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)Whose fans deny Hillary's union endorsements. Pot, meet kettle.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Union LEADERS endorsed Hillary while their membership would have endorsed Bernie. MoveOn's MEMBERS voted to endorse Bernie and MoveOn listened to its members.
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libdem4life
(13,877 posts)didn't bother to poll their Peasants, I mean members.
treestar
(82,383 posts)i would doubt the union leadership would go against the members, or a majority thereof.
Trajan
(19,089 posts)Or overly trusting ...
TheFarS1de
(1,017 posts)Leadership change isn't just needed in the political sphere . This will simply show yet another disconnect between the higher ups and the peons .
neverforget
(9,436 posts)resulted in 1 person crews for trains. Needless to say, it was overwhelmingly voted down. So yeah, union leadership can do stupid things and go against their members.
http://labornotes.org/2014/09/rail-workers-vote-down-single-person-crews
Last month, the union asked who they should endorse, if anybody, via email. I voted for Sanders. We'll see who we endorse if anyone soon.
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)D:
merrily
(45,251 posts)Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)That's why Trump was calling Bill Gates to shut it down.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)- random generic Clinton supporter
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Those three Sanders supporters must have been up for a week straight setting up multiple email accounts on multiple computers from multiple internet connections in order to establish multiple Move On memberships in order to vote multiple times.
sarcasm
Scuba
(53,475 posts)I love that line of "arguement" from Camp Weathervane. If it was true, it only supports the obvious enthusiasm gap between the two campaigns anyway as Clinton supporters would have the same opportunity but just don't care enough to do it. Either way, they lose.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)snoringvoter
(178 posts)from all that clicking....
...I don't own any capuchins.
kristopher
(29,798 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Nailed it!
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)this pretty much kills their bogus "they're not scientific polls!!!!!111!!!!!!!11!!!!! excuse! And this tightly controlled vote aligns PERFECTLY with every other online poll I've seen, so pffffft to their bullshit excuses from now on. Online polls better represent the REAL VOTERS, not their hand-picked demographic landline polls.
78% Bernie to 15% HRH!
Go Bernie!
PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE
tazkcmo
(7,300 posts)But then again, I'm posting on an internet message board that we all know is diluted by these 3 over active clickers in their mom's basement. Damn, I'm so confused right now.
stage left
(2,965 posts)I have to ask--Can I get some sleep now?
tazkcmo
(7,300 posts)And tell your clones to get some too!
stage left
(2,965 posts)My clones and I will arise in time to phonebank on Saturday. Or knock on doors. We haven't decided. The people canvassing out of the Greenville office got a great response last Saturday. South Carolina is feeling the Bern!
Ivan Kaputski
(528 posts)Left Coast2020
(2,397 posts)....clear, logical, factual statements.
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)Omaha Steve
(99,686 posts)The Top 5 Reasons MoveOn Members Voted to Endorse Bernie (with the Most Votes and Widest Margin in Our History)
http://tinyurl.com/zatelds
By Ilya Sheyman, Executive Director, MoveOn.org Political Action
With a record-setting 78.6 percent of 340,665 votes cast by the MoveOn membership, Senator Bernie Sanders has won MoveOn.org Political Actions endorsement for president with the largest total and widest margin in MoveOn history.
MoveOn.org only endorses candidates based on votes by our members. Our only previous presidential endorsement during a Democratic primary was for Barack Obama, in early 2008. In 2004, no Democratic candidate reached the threshold for an endorsement.
Here are 5 of the top reasons MoveOn members support Bernie and will mobilize to get out the vote on his behalf in Iowa, New Hampshire, and other crucial early states.
1. Bernies lifelong commitment to standing up to corporate and 1% interests to fight for an economy where everyone has a fair shot.
FULL story at MoveOn link.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)I'm glad they did exit polling!
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)Go Bernie!
PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE
democrank
(11,098 posts)Go Bernie!
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)OMG!OMG!OMG!OMG!OMG!OMG!OMG!OMG!OMG!OMG!OMG!OMG!OMG!OMG!OMG!OMG!OMG!OMG!OMG!OMG!OMG!OMG!OMG!OMG!OMG!OMG!OMG!OMG!OMG!OMG!OMG!OMG! This. Is. Yuuuuuge!
Somebody PLEASE tell me when the Hillary supporters begin telling us how this is a bad thing and/or, it's meaningless, and/or not scientific.
Do you realize EVERY TIME the people get to vote they ALWAYS vote for Bernie? That is NOT nothing!
Wow.
still_one
(92,325 posts)MrChuck
(279 posts)SamKnause
(13,108 posts)still_one
(92,325 posts)mak3cats
(1,573 posts)...and I thank you for your graciousness.
merrily
(45,251 posts)nolabels
(13,133 posts)There are a lot of operatives, covert and otherwise trying to do a smear job on Bernie. A real peoples type organization that shows how REAL progressives feel comes out 78% for Bernie might make a lot people worry.
mnhtnbb
(31,399 posts)My vote counts!
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)BainsBane
(53,041 posts)and harass MoveOn for not endorsing who I want, but I won't because I respect the rights of others to make their own democratic choices, even when they don't mirror my own.
redgreenandblue
(2,088 posts)If you are a donor to MoveOn you might want to consider canceling the donation. You are well within your rights to do that.
But the truth is, MoveOn is unlikely to alienate a large number of their donors by this endorsement.
BainsBane
(53,041 posts)Because anyone who joins and embraces anti-choice groups in efforts to defund Planned Parenthood never supported women's reproductive rights in the first place.
I'm not a current MoveOn donor, though I have given in the past.
synergie
(1,901 posts)going to punish an organization they support simply because they disagree. That's now how liberals work. Which is also why there has been no actual "backlash" against PP, just a lot of people making a lot of noise online.
last1standing
(11,709 posts)I wouldn't expect anything less.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)For PP to chose one of the three candidates that are all strong supporters, and snub the others, means that it must have been worth it to them to risk losing the support and donations. They were willing to risk losing donations to get in good favor with H. Clinton. One has to wonder what their reward was.
One small power people still have is that they can voice their support or objections via their donations. It would be a shame if based on DNC shenanigans like the PP endorsement, people stopped donating altogether. But that's not what's happening. There are a ton of good causes that all need donations and people are choosing to switch from PP to other good causes.
BainsBane
(53,041 posts)and they have every right, indeed responsibility, to endorse the candidate who most proactively and aggressively stands up for PP and women's reproductive rights. Clearly that is Clinton. That Sanders has done nothing to stop his supporters from working to defund PP shows as much. If he won't reign in his own supporters, he can't be counted on to stand up to the GOP on the issue. Too many Sanders supporters believe our rights, like gun control and the rights of urban people to be safe from gun violence, are less important than what they want. That much has been clear for a long time and reinforced through the reaction to PP and Sybrina Fulton.
No one who legitimately cares about women's reproductive right or the poor women's access to healthcare moves to defund PP. Full Stop. And they certainly don't ally with, celebrate, or link to anti-choice sources and groups to do so.
Between PP, Fulton, and the reaction to BLM last summer, they demonstrated precisely what their priorities are.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)The difference this time is that they were pressured by the Clinton Campaign. This action was a calculated risk, knowing full well that this slap in the face would upset donors, but apparently the reward was considered worth the risk.
In the face of the power of the wealthy 1% the People have little power, but one power they have is they control their donations. No one has advocated to stop donating to women's causes but just not via PP who has decided to snub Senator Sanders and Gov O'Malley and divide the Democratic Party for purely political reasons. The actions of people choosing to change who they donate to is not a call for defunding, like the Republicons, as you allege , but a statement to the leadership of PP not choose an endorsement that divides the Democratic Party. Not to spit in the face of those that strongly support PP.
Win at all costs is the culture we are fighting. We want an honest candidate in the General and that isn't HRC.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)The Move-On and DFA endorsements were voted on by the members of those organizations.
The Planned Parenthood and teachers' union endorsements, for example, were not democratic choices, they were choices by the leaders of the bureaucracies of those organizations. Not democratic at all.
Bernie wins democratic polls of organizations. Hillary wins the powers that be endorsements.
Bernie -- the populist. Hillary -- the favorite of the insiders. Bernie -- the favorite of the outsiders.
BainsBane
(53,041 posts)with absolutely no evidence. Some unions have published their vote counts and shown overwhelming support for Clinton. Hillary, the favorite of PP, unions, women's rights groups, John Lewis, Sibryna Fulton, on and on--all who have been declared enemies by a sizable contingent of Sanders supporters. What is clear is that too many of you refuse to respect anyone who cares about any issue or cause other than Bernie's career, which is not an issue at all.
Who people target says a great deal about who they are, particularly when they share the same enemies list as the GOP.
The sloganeering is getting old, particularly when it doesn't hold up to scrutiny. Polls demonstrate that Bernie is supported largely by white middle to upper-middle class men and Clinton by the poor, women and working class and people of color. The attacks on Fulton demonstrate particularly clearly the impenetrable sense of entitlement by those certain their own views of Clinton are so much more important than Fulton's concerns about the gun violence that took her child's life.
Women whose children are killed by gun violence are not "insiders." Women who fight for equal rights, who deliver healthcare to the poorest communities in the nation, are not "insiders" because they refuse to prioritize the white male bourgeoisie above the rights of the majority. Your dismissal of them says everything about what Bernie's campaign has come to represent.
WIProgressive88
(314 posts)about this endorsement, but I guess that's to be expected.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
ejbr
(5,856 posts)I think of Tiny Tim: "God bless us all; everyone." Makes me all warm and fuzzy!
PatrickforO
(14,586 posts)Good for Bernie. His subsequent win in the primaries and then the general election will be good for the whole world.
Duval
(4,280 posts)Victor and I have been members for years. They have a huge following and we are very happy with our endorsement. Thanks for the post, kenn3d.
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)Shocking. just shocking
It is a good endorsement. Congratulations. I'd be lying if I didn't say I wasn't jealous of the online support he gets. I wish my candidate would lie as much as he has and make impossible to achieve promises. He is indeed a great career politician and establishment pro.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Perhaps if you look at your candidate's record you'll be very pleasantly surprised? Just a guess.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Melissa G
(10,170 posts)Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,389 posts)Bernie is a great career political leader and more people are increasingly learning that fundamental truth everyday.
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)"political Leader" ROFLMAO now there's a funny statement if I've seen one. Thank you.
A political independent who's never been a part of actual leadership, legislating from the 2nd smallest population state in the union, and the second most homogeneous of the 50 (West Virginia is the ONLY state that has a more Homogeneous population)???
Uncle Joe, he hasn't been a "political leader".. he's been one of those 2 Muppet's who sit up in the balcony and heckles those who are actually in the leadership.
He's played it safe, and now sits back, makes promises that the office of the President can't cash, and everyone loves him for it..
Uncle Joe
(58,389 posts)As mayor, Sanders led extensive downtown revitalization projects. One of his signature achievements was the improvement of Burlington's Lake Champlain waterfront.[21] In 1981, Sanders campaigned against the unpopular plans by Tony Pomerleau, a Burlington developer, to convert the then-industrial[61] waterfront property owned by the Central Vermont Railway into expensive condominiums, hotels, and offices.[62] Sanders ran under the slogan "Burlington is not for sale" and successfully supported a plan that redeveloped the waterfront area into a mixed-use district featuring housing, parks, and public space.[62] Today, the waterfront area includes many parks and miles of public beach and bike paths, a boathouse, and a science center.[62] Burlington is now considered one of the most livable cities in the nation.[63][64]
In 1987, U.S. News ranked Sanders as one of America's best mayors.[65]
(snip)
Sanders entered the race for the U.S. Senate on April 21, 2005, after Senator Jim Jeffords announced that he would not seek a fourth term. Chuck Schumer, Chairman of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, endorsed Sanders, a critical move as it meant that no Democrat running against Sanders could expect to receive financial help from the party. Sanders was also endorsed by Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada and Democratic National Committee Chairman and former Vermont Governor Howard Dean. Dean said in May 2005 that he considered Sanders an ally who "votes with the Democrats 98% of the time".[90] Then-Senator Barack Obama also campaigned for Sanders in Vermont in March 2006.[91] Sanders entered into an agreement with the Democratic Party, much as he had as a congressman, to be listed in their primary but to decline the nomination should he win, which he did.[92][93]
In the most expensive political campaign in Vermont's history,[94] Sanders defeated businessman Rich Tarrant by an approximately 2-to-1 margin. Many national media outlets projected Sanders as the winner before any returns came in. He was reelected in 2012 with 71% of the vote.[95]
Polling conducted in August 2011 by Public Policy Polling found that Sanders' approval rating was 67% and his disapproval rating 28%, making him then the third-most popular senator in the country.[96] Both the NAACP and the NHLA have given Sanders 100% voting scores during his tenure in the Senate.[97] In 2015 Sanders was named one of the Top 5 of The Forward 50.[98] In a November 2015 Morning Consult poll, Sanders had an approval rating of 83% among his constituents, making him the most popular senator in the country.[99]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Sanders
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Just switch over and be a Bernie supporter and you can be positive and happy too! Then you wouldn't have to jump in a positive thread about Bernie and make false accusations about him "lying". But I know, projection is the MO for Hillary supporters. The solution again is become a Bernie supporter. No projection needed!
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Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)there's your positive and happiness.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Why are you a Democrat when you have a sig line like that? What is Bernie for that you are so against?
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cascadiance
(19,537 posts)... that Hillary doesn't like to do so much is upsetting to them. Perhaps they feel that supporting the war machine is a value we should have in this party and not push aside. That or we should like the government spying machine the way that Paul also protests that within the Republican Party, but Obama doesn't do much to control, and perhaps Clinton also likes to keep in place (as long as it works for her and doesn't have people go after her private email machine).
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)and betray her own party? Her kind of "leadership" we don't want.
"and everyone loves him for it.." They love him because he is honest. A huge change from the political Establishment that H. Cllinton is a big part of. DWS makes no bones about her bias for HRC.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)is it like programming that DVR thing?
Ask them after "The Mentalist" is over. That young man is so nice, he reminds me of my grandson.
dlwickham
(3,316 posts)care about online polls
We care more about the polls that actually mean something like in the primaries
Uncle Joe
(58,389 posts)dlwickham
(3,316 posts)of course Hillary will have clinched the nomination by the time my state's primary rolls around but there are state and local races that will be decided as well
Uncle Joe
(58,389 posts)are any less committed to voting for him in the primaries?
dlwickham
(3,316 posts)They can be manipulated which we've all seen in the past.
cali
(114,904 posts)And this was not just another internet poll.
kjones
(1,053 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)"good guys" can use?
Hey, if we start a "Manhattan Project" to do it, I'm sure we can achieve the vitally important social goal of making sure no one can encrypt their snapchats.
I'm sure there will be plenty of funds left over after we spend 10 Billion dollars to ramp up the drug war.
merrily
(45,251 posts)I knew that was going to be the end result...but didn't think that high of percentage.
GO Bernie!
GO Berners!
GOTV!
Uncle Joe
(58,389 posts)Thanks for the thread, kenn3d
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)Feel it good!
CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)WooHoo
Purveyor
(29,876 posts)are amazing. 2008 all over again!
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)those focus groups and on-line polls after the first two debates. You know, the ones that disappeared rather quickly so the "pundits" could proclaim Hillary the winner.
And isn't it odd, that if Hillary really has the support of most people, that the majority of them haven't a clue how to use the internet?
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)Sun's up bright 'n strong this AM and then I read of MoveOn's endorsement! WOO-HOO! A mink-hair shy of 4/5ths of the membership seeing the sun, just like I do. 79% feelin' the BERN - just as I do. It's FAN-tastic! And I won't even have to be "thinking about it" as we STEAM ROLL over the opposition. Lovin' - Lovin' - Lovin' it!
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Your post is a hoot. Cheered me right up and made me feel the Bern.
merrily
(45,251 posts)"And these sales people are sleeker than a mink's privates."
Truprogressive85
(900 posts)Moveon.org endorsed [Sen. Barack Obama] -- which is like a gusher of money that never seems to slow down," Clinton said to a meeting of donors. "We have been less successful in caucuses because it brings out the activist base of the Democratic Party. MoveOn didn't even want us to go into Afghanistan. I mean, that's what we're dealing with. And you know they turn out in great numbers. And they are very driven by their view of our positions, and it's primarily national security and foreign policy that drives them. I don't agree with them. They know I don't agree with them. So they flood into these caucuses and dominate them and really intimidate people who actually show up
That is not very nice , how do you disparage a liberal group that was started to help stop impeachment of Bill Clinton smh
Well Moveon member made their voices heard
Congrats to Sen. Sanders for being a liberal ,fighter, and someone who will bring about change
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)are the way they are. That explains a lot.
PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Hard to believe I can keep learning more and more things that show me that Hillary is NOT a liberal and in fact, has disdain for liberals. Kind of tired of being ignored and told to STFU and called f-in retards.
Time for Bernie!!!
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snoringvoter
(178 posts)Congratulations to Bernie on this wonderful endorsement.
bahrbearian
(13,466 posts)Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)ChiciB1
(15,435 posts)It's scaring me, BUT I'm LOVING IT!
---- :group hug:
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)one_voice
(20,043 posts)I will donate to them just as I did to PP.
I support organizations that support Democrats/issues I support.
eggplant
(3,912 posts)in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)Me thinks Hillary and the establishment are going to be very surprised when the votes start being counted.
FEEL THE BERN!!!
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azmom
(5,208 posts)Yupy
(154 posts)bvar22
(39,909 posts)They took 8 years OFF during the Obama Administration, and I took 8 years off donating to them after they suddenly stopped publicly opposing our rape and pillaging of the Middle East.
Though I strongly approve of the endorsement, I still don't trust MoveOn.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Get behind Bernie!
last1standing
(11,709 posts)MoveOn asked its members to vote on whether the organization should endorse a candidate in the primary, and if so, who. After nearly 4 out of 5 members voted for a candidate (far above the 2/3 required), they provided the promised endorsement.
The head of the Planned Parenthood PAC (whose daughter coincidentally works on the Clinton campaign) endorsed a candidate based on her own personal views without consulting those who have donated to that organization or even asking supporters who they believed would best represent the needs of PP.
That's a pretty big difference.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)I keep hearing that Bernie supporters are way too liberal and that very liberal people are the fringe of the Democratic party. Clearly this is not true.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)... letting little people vote on who to endorse is so damn vulgar.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)doesn't agree.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Karma13612
(4,553 posts)murielm99
(30,754 posts)Glad I quit.
John Poet
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(1,514 posts)liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)Run Warren Run I feel like this should have happened already. Its still wonderful though!