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The great secret af American manhood is: We are afraid of other menHomophobia is a central organizing principle af our cultural definition of manhood. Homophobia is more than the irrational fear af gay men, more than the fear that we might be perceived as gay. "The word 'faggot'' has nothing to do with homosexual experience ar even with fears of homosexuals ," writes David
Leverenz (1986). "It comes out af the depths af manhood: a label af ultimate contempt for anyone who seems sissy, untough, uncool" Homophobia is the fear that other men will unmask us, emasculate us, reveal to us and the world that we do not measure up, that we are not real men. We are afraid to let other men see that fear. Fear makes us ashamed, because the recognition af fear in ourselves is proof to ourselves that we are not as manly as we pretend, that we are, like the young man in a poem by Yeats, "One that ruffles in a manly pose far all his timid heart." Our fear is the fear af humiliation. We are ashamed to be afraid...
This feminist definition of masculinity as the drive for power is theorized from women's point of view. It is how women experience masculinity. But it assumes a symmetry between the public and the private that does not conform to men's experiences. Feminists observe that women, as a group, do not hold power in our society. They also observe that individually, they, as women, do not feel powerful. They feel afraid, vulnerable. Their observation of the social reality and their individual experiences are therefore symmetrical. Feminism also observes that men, as a group, are in power. Thus, with the same symmetry, feminism has tended to assume that individually men must feel powerful.
This is why the feminist critique of masculinity often falls on deaf ears with men. When confronted with the analysis that men have all the power, many men react incredulously. "What do you mean, men have all the power?" they ask. "What are you talking about? My wife bosses me around. My kids boss me around. My boss bosses me around. I have no power at all! I'm completely powerless!"
Men's feelings are not the feelings of the powerful, but of those who see them selves as powerless. These are the feelings that come inevitably from the discontinuity between the social and the psychological, between the aggregate analysis that reveals how men are in power as a group and the psychological fact that they do not feel powerful as individuals. They are the feelings of men who were raised to believe themselves entitled to feel that power, but do not feel it. No wonder many men are frustrated and angry. . . .
Often the purveyors of the mythopoetic men's movement, that broad umbrella that encompasses all the groups helping men to retrieve this mythic deep manhood, use the image of the chauffeur to describe modern man's position. The chauffeur appears to have the power-he's wearing the uniform, he's in the driver's seat, and he knows where he's going. So, to the observer, the chauffeur looks as though he is in command. But to the chauffeur himself, they note, he is merely taking orders. He is not at all in charge
I'm posting this because I found it interesting. Kimmel does not agree with all of feminist thought on masculinity, which is fine--neither do feminists. I also don't agree with his definition of what homophobia actually is; disagree quite strongly in fact, although makes good points on what we consider masculinity.
it's an older article but worthy of discussion or argument.
http://faculty.ucc.edu/psysoc-stokes/Masculinity.pdf
flamingdem
(39,317 posts)about masculinity and this is catching up on the theory
ismnotwasm
(41,998 posts)Hope it helps
doc03
(35,362 posts)was married to a women. I must not appeal to gay single guys I guess.
ismnotwasm
(41,998 posts)I hung out on the street. My best friends were young male prostitutes. The numbers of 'proper married men' picking up these young lads was impressive.
It's one thing to be bi-curious, quite another to use your sense of sexuality as power, whether its the power of the 'forbidden' or the power to hurt, or whatever.
One trick ended up being murdered. I happened to meet a daughter or a cousin of the man who was killed. I also knew the kid who killed him. The family flat out refused to believe he was out cruising. That whole story was sad.
This was the late '70's.
Then along came AIDS. I don't know how old you are, but gay men who lived through that era lived through the equvelent of combat hell; the disgusting homophobia, the profound ignorance, the many, many who died. I always thought that some of the more outrageous rumors of how or who got HIV came from those 'straight' men, who never told the truth.
MadrasT
(7,237 posts)who were gay who died during those years.
I hate homophobes with a passion.
The OP is really interesting and is the kind of stuff I think about quite a bit.
Have to check out the link and think some more. Later. I am really burned out on gender stuff right now. Being nongendered.... I just don't get it. I try, and it is all such a mystery to me.
Who cares what parts you have when you're naked?
It all just seems nutty to me. I know other people really care and are very strongly identified with their gender and I am not disparaging them. I just don't get why all this stuff causes such human distress.
*sigh* I feel like another species sometimes.
ismnotwasm
(41,998 posts)Gender. Gender 'roles'--who can or should do what.
Humans seemingly love to complicate the simple and simplify the complicated. The question is one of justice really.
I despise homophobes as well. All those beautiful young men of my youth are dead and it left painful scars.
I get the burnout.
My husband and I are going to see "The Adam's Family" musical tomorrow. I keep hearing that it's hilarious--and good hearted, long, loud and unapologetic laughter cures a lot.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)i do the same with my boys. it makes all the difference. it allows our authentic self to be and easily recognize the ridiculousness of gender conditioning.
MadrasT
(7,237 posts)Me too and I totally hear you on the gift/curse thing.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)is the contradictive fear that men feel at any perception of feeling effeminated that they allow themselves to be manipulated by society and condition, really indicating the weak emotional self.
it is all so very clear and easy to see, unless living in the conditioning.