Question - what is it with Hillary and Paul Wellstone? She mentioned him the other nite & tonite

[jillan]

I just saw a few minutes of her campaign event in NH and she was quoting him.

What is the deal? Were they friends? This feels kinda creepy to me that she is envoking the name of Senator that died so tragically. Is she doing this because he was a true progressive? And if that's the reason, that is beyond creepy.

Anyone know what's going on?

[oh08dem]

1. Name-dropping to establish her progressive bona-fides...

She must feel she's lacking in that department, hence mentioning a well loved progressive like Sen. Wellstone.

[jillan]

3. He had a tragic death. That is disgusting if she is using him.

[TDale313]

5. That's exactly what she's doing.

She's been saying according to Bernie even Wellstone wouldn't be a Progressive.

[bvar22]

18. ...especially because Wellstone would be campaigning for Bernie,

NOT Hillary.


[font color=firebrick][center]"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans.
I want a party that will STAND UP for Working Americans."
---Paul Wellstone [/font][/center]
[center][/font]
[font size=1]photo by bvar22
Shortly before Sen Wellstone was killed[/center][/font]

[grasswire]

26. she is cynically using Wellstone....

...and he can't contradict her assertions because he is dead.

Creepy, Hillary. Creepy.

[bvar22]

37. Creepy indeed.

She will say ANYTHING. Anyone who believes anything she says, especially since her last minute conversion to a Populist like Bernie and Wellstone.
We all know about Hillary's (non)relationship with the truth.
Nothing about her body language, affect, or voice indicates that she is being truthful now.

I was privileged to be a volunteer for the Wellstone Campaign, and a regular at his campaign office on University Ave in St Paul during his last campaign and death, and I feel personally insulted by her remarks claiming Wellstone as her own.
Wellstone spent his shortened life fighting AGAINST Conservative, Warmongering, Wall Street "Democrats" like Hillary.

[font color=firebrick size=3][center]"If we don't fight hard enough for the things we stand for,
at some point we have to recognize that we don't really stand for them."
--- Paul Wellstone[/font][/center]





[font size=5 color=firebrick]Solidarity![/font]

[hedda_foil]

38. Bvar, I was just wondering what Senator Wellstone's sons think about her using their father's name.

Do you, or any Bernie supporter you know, know them?

[bvar22]

40. I left Minnesota in 2006 for the unspoiled back woods of Arkansas.

For several years, I maintained contact with Minnesota DUers who could have contacted them,
but they have either been banned, or left because of the deterioration of DU.
It was my understanding that, after initial public statements and attendance at the wake, they have become secluded, and I understand that reaction. It is what I would have done.

I'm certain that someone in Minnesota will try to contact them for a statement. We will have to watch the Star Tribune for a couple of weeks. I don't believe they will be happy about Hillary trying to use them for her personal gain.

...but what more can we expect from a woman who will send her own daughter out in front of The World to LIE (so transparently and easily checked) for her own personal gain despite the damage to her own daughters reputation?

Anecdotal: It was not uncommon to run into Paul around town.
I attended his last Labor Day Picnic on Harriet Island in the Mississippi at St Paul.
My wife & I were sitting in the wet grass listening to Garrison Keillor and Jim Hightower when my wife suddenly started beating on my arm. She whispered in my ear, "Do you know who is sitting next to us??!! I looked over, and there was Paul & Shiela sitting in the wet grass just like us regular working class people. Paul was wearing cut off blue jeans and running shoes without socks.

I have to admit, I was a little star struck, but had enough reserve not to bother them.

[global1]

4. +1000....Agreed.....

Bernie should say - 'I knew Paul Wellstone and Madam Secretary, you're no Paul Wellstone'

[Ichingcarpenter]

13. Actually I really did know Paul Wellstone

Though he was older than me and I was in Junior high at the time he was the captain of my brother's wrestling team at his high school and wrestled a weight class above my brother. So yes I did know him and ''she does know Kissinger ''

Important quotes

"If you (Senator Wellstone) vote against the war in Iraq, the Bush administration will do whatever is necessary to get you. There will be severe ramifications for you and the state of Minnesota." -- Vice President Dick Cheney to Senator Paul Wellstone (D), October, 2002, just days before Wellstone's death in a suspicious airplane "accident".


"When once a republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil."~~- Thomas Jefferson

[bkkyosemite]

30. Yes I was an adult. Very much a suspicious death. A really good guy.

[KoKo]

42. Interesting...

I, also, thought it odd that she has mentioned Paul Wellstone twice. I also thought it odd that Carl Bernstein (mentioned in the CNN Video someone posted today) about some in Obama Admin. really being upset with Hillary's Campaign and her chances of winning.

Bernstein mentioned at the end of his CNN interview that Bernie reminded him of "Bobby Kennedy and the "movement he had started"

[HooptieWagon]

6. Exactly.

And he's no longer around to tell her to stfu. She's losing it...I think the elites will be summoning her for a chat shortly.

[DJ13]

2. Its a dog whistle meant to imply she's a "real" liberal

[merrily]

11. Thread win.

[That Guy 888]

7. Unfortunately I feel it's because she knows Paul Wellstone can't contradict her. n/t

[jillan]

9. I don't know... I believe in the after life.....

We'll have to see if anything unusual happens at her campaign events....

[silvershadow]

14. Ding dang ding we have a winner

she picked the one who couldn't speak for himself. Also bonus points if you noticed that the Clinton machine had the most to lose from Wellstone being around and his popularity. (Only if you're aconspiracy theorist)

[bkkyosemite]

31. only...a lot was said. And because of that I would think

she would not mention him..even though it was conspiracies.

[2pooped2pop]

8. Hinting that Bernie should not get on any small planes?

[Autumn Colors]

22. Which is why we need Elizabeth Warren as his VP

i.e., someone they'd want even LESS to see in the White House than Bernie.

[hedda_foil]

39. Precisely, Autumn Colors. Absofu¢kinlutely precisely!

And don't let them travel together by any means of transportation ever

[bkkyosemite]

32. hmmm

[Kalidurga]

12. Come on Hillary do it in Minnesota. I dare you. I double dog dare you.

I still remember my worst day at work. That is where I heard the news. So many of us were just stunned for the whole day, the whole next day. It was just horrible. It was back when I was just getting excited about voting for someone. I had written him a thank you letter just a month before the accident, thanking him for all the work he and his wife were doing for victims of domestic violence.

So, please Hillary proceed to invoke Wellstone's name, but only in Minnesota.

[in_cog_ni_to]

17. I cried for days when he died. A true progressive and a good, good man who lost his life way too

soon.

Yeah, I dare her to invoke his name in Minnesota....just try it..

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[Kalidurga]

23. I don't think she really knows how much we loved him.

It's the kind of thing that never goes away. And it stings a whole lot when someone invokes them like that now if she would have championed a cause to invoke his name I would be very happy she did that even if it wouldn't make me like her more it would have given me a bit more respect for her.

[Mbrow]

15. OOOH that might backfire!

wow that's going to leave a mark.....

[djean111]

16. She is grasping at straws.

Using his name to imply that she is like him.
Nope.

[in_cog_ni_to]

19. Bernie REALLY NEEDS TO HIT HER OVER THE HEAD WITH THIS! Wellstone would never have

Supported HRH and more than likely would have STOOD UP EARLY to endorse Bernie...unlike all the wimps in Congress who are afraid of the Clinton machine.

HRH has a lot of fucking nerve invoking Wellstone's name to prop herself up!

Paul Wellstone voted AGAINST the IWR, THE BANKRUPTCY BILL and REPEALING GLASS STEAGALL! And in his autobiography he admitted his vote for DOMA was a mistake.

Senator Wellstone further distinguished himself as a contrarian by being one of only eight members of the Senate to vote against the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act in 1999.[56]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Wellstone

Charlie Pierce

<snip>
I'd like to think I'm not alone in thinking that it is particularly distasteful to drag the late Senator Paul Wellstone into this fight now that he can't speak for himself, especially since, DOMA aside, he likely would have been raising all kinds of loud hell about HRC's coziness with the financial community. After all, it was Wellstone who wrote, " The American polity is infected with a serious imbalance of power between elites and masses, a power which is the principal threat to our democracy." The president and vice-president are good enough for the purposes of this argument.)<snip>

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a41840/who-won-msnbc-debate/


1. Wellstone Acts Alone to Block Bankruptcy Bill (05/01/00) . . .


http://www.commondreams.org/views/050100-107.htm

As members of Congress try to make it more difficult for individuals to erase their debts, they've run into an obstacle: Sen. Paul Wellstone.

In 1998, Wellstone was the only senator to vote against a bill that called for an overhaul of the bankruptcy system. Now, the Minnesota Democrat is using parliamentary tactics to stall another bankruptcy bill that has strong bipartisan support.

He called the bill "unjust," saying it would impose harsh penalties on families that file for bankruptcy in good faith.

While Wellstone's move is frustrating Democratic and Republican leaders alike, consumer advocates are thrilled.

"This is the most anticonsumer piece of legislation that the Congress is considering," said Edmund Mierzwinski, consumer program director for the U.S. Public Interest Research Group in Washington, D.C. "Without Paul Wellstone, it may have already passed."

- more . . .
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3200869

The link to that common dreams article is now dead

On Wellstone's DOMA vote:

In 1996, he voted in favor of the Defense of Marriage Act.[16] He later asked his supporters to educate him on the issue and by 2001, when he wrote his autobiography, Conscience of a Liberal, Wellstone admitted that he had made a mistake.

After voting against the congressional authorization for the war in Iraq on October 11, 2002, in the midst of a tight election, Wellstone is said to have told his wife, "I just cost myself the election

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Wellstone

[jillan]

28. Did you happen to see her on Jake Tapper today? He asked her about her vote for the bankruptcy bill

Sit down for her answer!!

She said she got some very much needed amendments attached (protect child support, other important things) which I do applaud her for if this is true.

And then she said

the only way to get these amendments attached is if she voted FOR the bill, so she did.




Does she really believe Americans are that stupid? And if that is the truth, that tells me she is too weak of a leader to fight for what she believes in.

[in_cog_ni_to]

34. No. I recorded it and always fast forward through her appearances. :) She may have added amendments

but she still voted for it. And, if getting the amendments added meant she had to vote for the bill, she should have said NO.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[winter is coming]

20. I guess her Obama snuggie isn't enough to warm her up,

so she's wrapping herself up in Wellstone, too.

[stillwaiting]

21. She's trying to steal his progressive credentials. She is NO Paul Wellstone.

It pisses me off that she's even trying to be one.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

24. he died in a small plane

[jillan]

25. Under much controversy. And sadness. Which is why I'm wondering why she keeps mentioning him.

[orpupilofnature57]

27. A single celled amoeba who will extract and repel instinctively, as did Ronnie-Ray gun .

[CentralMass]

29. Regarding Senator Wellstone

Here are some quotes attributed to the late great Senator.

Paul Wellstone/Quotes:

"Never separate the life you live from the words you speak."

"Politics isn't about big money or power games; it's about the improvement of people's lives."

"The people of this country, not special interest big money, should be the source of all political power."

"The first task in teaching is to bring to consciousness what the students already believe by virtue of their personal experiences about themselves and society."

"Politics is not about winning for the sake of winning.
Sometimes, the only realists are the dreamers."Wellstone was also a member of the Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_liberalism_in_the_United_States

A party who's idualism is Social Liberalism.

I would argue the the late Senator would probably align with the Senator from Vermont in this race.

http://www.salon.com/2015/10/27/this_was_bernie_before_bernie_remembering_the_heroic_late_senator_paul_wellstone_13_years_after_the_plane_crash/

[in_cog_ni_to]

35. I agree wholeheartedly!

I would argue the the late Senator would probably align with the Senator from Vermont in this race.

And it's unconscionable she keeps invoking his name to prop herself up! Pisses me off royally.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[bkkyosemite]

33. And Bernie sounds much like Paul Wellstone.

Nothing better happen to Bernie or there will be an outrage this Country has never seen before. Us old folks have seen a lot.

[in_cog_ni_to]

36. Yes we have and

that is their modus operandi. JFK, Bobbie Kennedy, MLK, JFK Jr., PAUL WELLSTONE...and others.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[truthseeker1]

41. This brings to mind keith olberman's rant about her mentioning the assassination of RFK

During the 2008 primary. Didn't she learn her lesson then?