Bernie Sanders
Related: About this forumHillary's Incompetence is an Actual Comfort.
I started actively looking for *anything* accomplishment wise that would make me think "she's a leader" and really, there isn't ANYTHING except one amazing speech to the United Nations back in the 90s where she said "women's rights are human rights".
Other than that, nothing except fundraising and speeches.
She jumps on "already accomplished stuff" where other people do the heavy lifting, and seriously,
NOTHING.
Al Gore made climate change into something non-scientists could talk about. Princess Diana helped AIDS victims by being photographed hugging them, and worked tirelessly to ban and remove land mines. Jesse Jackson is front and center when it comes to African Americans dealing with discrimination.
Hillary Clinton -- got Bush Junior to give $20B to New York after 911 and then played cheer leader for an unnecessary destabilizing war. As a legislater, she joined in on efforts to "pass" things but never had the power or influence to actually PASS ANYTHING that would benefit people. As Secretary of State, her failures outnumber her successes and that doesn't even include the illegal stuff with her "private server". My personal favorite? Using the Clinton Foundation to "rebuild Haiti" - millions of dollars raised, nothing actually accomplished, and children starving in tents seven years later while charges of corruption are ignored.
Her signature issue -- women's rights -- is another nothing. Access to abortion has dramatically decreased in the US in multiple states and do we want to discuss how women are doing in the non-European world between the refugee crisis she helped create and ISIS and the African AIDS crisis? We have more poor and homeless children than we did twenty-five years ago, because the policies she advocated for were absolute disasters in dealing with real world issues (but by cutting services, money was saved).
Even her attacks on Bernie Sanders have by and large utterly failed due to their stupidity -- PopeGate? WifeRudeness? Misogynist/Racist/Scammer/Spoiler -- if it comes from the Hillary camp, at this point you know they are lying. Don't even get me started on the Obama campaign -- Kenyon Muslim?
In summary, I can't find anything where she pulled a "point and shoot" to actually successfully solve a problem.
And oddly enough, that is a comfort to me. I make no secret that I believe she will be the recipient of an FBI recommendation for indictment fairly soon, but knowing she is an actual incompetent, and the more she talks, the less she is liked, the more her background is examined as a serious candidate, the more obvious it becomes she doesn't support core Democratic principles in practice, the more her financial interests are examined, the more obvious the cronyism and corruption become -- this comforts me.
My resolve is strengthened. I will not despair. We are not choosing "management" but Leadership and I support Bernie Sanders.
djean111
(14,255 posts)Hillary said". And a bunch of polls that were basically so far out they were just name recognition polls. And - First Woman in the White House! And "I was SOS, but the bad stuff - Obama made me do that!"
I supported her in 2008. But now I have done my due diligence. NO, I cannot support Hillary.
malletgirl02
(1,523 posts)There was a series of articles in the New York Times about Hillary Clinton's involvement in the Libya debacle. The article said that she was the deciding factor for Obama to take military action in Libya. It also talked about in the early days of the Libya campaign, she tried to position herself to take all the credit. It was only when Libya became a total failure that she started saying that Obama was completely responsible for the Libya disaster. that is when I made my decision to vote for Bernie Sanders.
I can't vote for someone who can't take responsibility for his or her decisions. Hillary Clinton is running on her experience as Secretary of State, but she runs from taking responsibility for one of her key actions in that office.
sarge43
(28,946 posts)She has never stepped up to the line and had a Profile in Courage moment. She has never been willing to take the unpopular stand and that is one of the most important qualities of leadership. She has always very carefully calculated what will please the crowd and what's in it for her.
thereismore
(13,326 posts)Treleana
(15 posts)and Hillary is a thermometer.
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)about ours.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)NV Whino
(20,886 posts)After her loss to Obama, I thought she would give it up. But instead she was given the consolation prize of SOS to prop her up for another run. Had she actually accomplished anything, other than controversy, I might have given her consideration. With Hillary, the more you see of her, the more reasons there are to vote against her.
greymouse
(872 posts)I'm not talking about getting a State Dept person killed, but turning a middle class/rural country reaching out to the West into a civil war hellhole with ISIS bases, because she had the central government taken out.
Millions of people's lives ruined. Those people had free universal health care and free education including college and a semblance of equal rights for women.
I don't think she will be indited, even though one could make a good case for treason. The Clintons are above the law, you know.