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A graphical representation depicting Sanders skyrocketing numbers in Iowa (Original Post) Ichingcarpenter Jul 2015 OP
Sweet, but on that last one, I'd feel better if it was just labeled 'liberal voters'. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #1
Many DU conservatives call themselves liberals BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #10
Fascinating stuff RufusTFirefly Jul 2015 #2
The thing with Hillary's support is that people have had 12 years to decide to support her. A Simple Game Jul 2015 #4
>>>>>>Spot on<<<<<<<<<< Android3.14 Jul 2015 #7
I am one of those seniors, although male, and realize my votes must be more for the future A Simple Game Jul 2015 #9
Exactly right BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #11
this has to be horrifying NJCher Jul 2015 #3
yeah Locrian Jul 2015 #6
Good point BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #12
And Sanders is generally not very well known yet. SheilaT Jul 2015 #5
That's days ago! I'm sure it's closer now fbc Jul 2015 #8
omgz... cui bono Jul 2015 #13

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
1. Sweet, but on that last one, I'd feel better if it was just labeled 'liberal voters'.
Mon Jul 6, 2015, 10:36 AM
Jul 2015

'very liberal voters' seems like somewhat of a cherrypicking, as well as being a sort of 'well, of course' sort of thing.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
10. Many DU conservatives call themselves liberals
Mon Jul 6, 2015, 03:07 PM
Jul 2015

Perhaps because they are liberal on social issues. So I do think specifying very liberal is interesting.

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
2. Fascinating stuff
Mon Jul 6, 2015, 11:17 AM
Jul 2015

It seems that many voters who were waiting for Warren put ideology ahead of gender and went with Bernie after it was clear that Sen. Warren wasn't going to be a candidate. That's encouraging.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
4. The thing with Hillary's support is that people have had 12 years to decide to support her.
Mon Jul 6, 2015, 11:27 AM
Jul 2015

If they don't support her now they never will. She can only lose support, she will never gain over what she has now.

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
7. >>>>>>Spot on<<<<<<<<<<
Mon Jul 6, 2015, 12:03 PM
Jul 2015

That is the real issue she faces. Support for her is tepid among those who claim they are in her camp. My mother-in-law is one of these supporters. Yet it is obvious as she looks at the voting records of Clinto versus any other candidate (but especially Sanders), she just shakes her head and makes little attempt to defend her.

Her most ardent supporters are senior women, and when they look more closely, as intelligent seniors will do, they can see that HRC has been inconsistent in supporting Democratic Party values.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
9. I am one of those seniors, although male, and realize my votes must be more for the future
Mon Jul 6, 2015, 12:42 PM
Jul 2015

than they are for the now. My main focus now is what will benefit my children and especially my grandchildren. When all the candidates that are in or expected to be in are considered there is only one clear choice for the future.

I think many senior women will put their children and grandchildren ahead of seeing a woman president in their time and change their support to Bernie. After all a woman president is inevitable, just not this time.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
11. Exactly right
Mon Jul 6, 2015, 03:12 PM
Jul 2015

This should be something that you repost regularly so people don't forget. In a national poll, Clinton had 2% undecided, Sanders had over 40%. That means that Hillary's number can really only go down which is a horrible narrative. Just as bad as in 2008. And the more Bernie goes up and wins early primaries, more people will pay attention.

But I have to say, I really don't believe her core, which you are correct is women 50+ (not necessarily seniors) will abandon her. I think they will stay with her just like in 2008. But if Bernie can concentrate on GOTV in the youth like Obama did, he has a shot.

NJCher

(35,660 posts)
3. this has to be horrifying
Mon Jul 6, 2015, 11:26 AM
Jul 2015

to the Hillary strategists.

I used to be one of those people who looked at charts like this in business. If we saw something like this, it would be time for a major strategic meeting. People would be called in from all over the country to address it.

Wow, wow, wow. I just love it!


Cher

Locrian

(4,522 posts)
6. yeah
Mon Jul 6, 2015, 12:03 PM
Jul 2015

You definitely want to be on the upswing trajectory - any stock/business people know exactly what this means.

Loving it as well.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
12. Good point
Mon Jul 6, 2015, 03:13 PM
Jul 2015

Heads would roll. Instead they are doing rope lines. Wait for more attacks because that is really all they have. They are praying Biden gets into the race.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
5. And Sanders is generally not very well known yet.
Mon Jul 6, 2015, 11:31 AM
Jul 2015

In Iowa people are getting to know him, and it shows. And he's got plenty of time to get out there and have the rest of the country get to know him also.

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