with second debate tomorrow a warning

[Robbins]

Online polls and focus groups may again have bernie the winner but MSM will come out with polls that have clinton winner.their
bogus is to underpoll bernie supporters,declare clinton winner,and heavily poll those who didn't watch but accepted the spin.

This way when Clinton suporters brag on polls we all can be ready.

On a side note i think it's almost funny them braging about poll which claims CLinton is candiate of Change.and citing gallup which
claims CLinton has higher favorabilty ratings.the same outfit which had romney winning in 2012

[ruffburr]

1. Thanks-

I was just thinking about those polls and asking my self Who the hell do they Poll? Gotta be Third way "Democrats" to come up with this B.S.

[Cosmic Kitten]

17. It's all about zip codes, time of day, and who they include

Someone is paying for the polls.
They want results they can use
in press releases or as propaganda.

Polling companies are businesses.
They want to keep their clients happy.
They design polls and weight the results
to create the best impression for their clients.

Hillary has spent OVER $1 million on polls
in this campaign.

[Rebkeh]

2. This is one of the many

Ways the media reminds me of Panem. They create a false reality and because people believe everything they see on tv, it becomes "reality."

[n8dogg83]

3. Speaking of polls. I came across an interesting one today from ypulse.com....

Link here

Our informal poll indicated it last month, and now it's official: Millennial voters are feeling the Bern. Sanders has the support of 35% of Millennials who plan to vote and Hillary is in second place. No other candidate thus far comes close to either of the two Democrats.

…

Bernie Sanders has an equal number of male and female Millennials supporters. Meanwhile, while Millennial females are more likely to say they'll be voting for Hillary, her lead is likely not as high has her campaign would like.

Bernie has 34% male and female supporters, while Hillary has 23% women and 17% men.

When we look at current Millennial voter preferences broken down by ethnicity, Bernie is still the clear winner amongst Caucasian, Black, and Hispanic young voters

Bernie has 33% Caucasian, 42% Black and 37% Hispanic among Millennials, while Hillary has 17% Caucasian, 29% Black and 16% Hispanic among Millennials.

Yet Black people don't like Bernie. Suuuure. I guess the chronic underpolling of young people would make people think that. Of course, its an "informal poll", which to Hillary supporters means it doesn't count for anything.

[Bubzer]

8. The problem with polls is they are statistics... and statistics can be made to say anything.

Especially when there is big money behind them. Even this polling which suggests millennials overwhelmingly favor Bernie is a bit suspect http://www.latinpost.com/articles/89852/20151026/iowa-polls-2016-bernie-sanders-overwhelmingly-favored-millennials.htm

At the end of the day, polling tends to be little more than another form of propaganda... even though pollsters would like people to think otherwise.

[n8dogg83]

12. I certainly don't disagree with you. Polls are propaganda and they are being used to influence....

voters' opinions. That's why I believe- as much as I dislike polls- we have to be ready to highlight those polls that show good news for Bernie, even if its just to help counteract the corporate media's narrative of Bernie having no chance and Hillary being inevitable.

[Bubzer]

14. Totally agree!

[floriduck]

26. Hmmm, I didn't see any

comment like this when the polls were in Hill's favor. Must have been an oversight.

[Bubzer]

29. floriduck, I'm a Bernie supporter.

Take a closer look at the sig line

[floriduck]

35. My apologies. I misread your post

and definitely missed your sig line. Need more coffee, I guess.

[Bubzer]

36. No worries.

[in_cog_ni_to]

21. WOW! I guess that blows the DU MEME,

'AFRICAN AMERICANS aren't supporting Bernie' all to hell.

Great find! Thanks for posting it!

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[Robbins]

32. actully

while i haven't made point of it i have heard there is a lot of young blacks who support Bernie.it's older blacks who overwhelmly support clinton.many of these polls underpoll under 50 voters.

Bernie like obama before him has support of young voters of all races.

Back in 2008 hispanics were split between older ones for clinton and younger ones for Obama.so far similar split is going on
for this election.of course more older hispanic and black voters can always change.

[in_cog_ni_to]

23. You should start a thread with this so we can get it to the greatest page! n/t

[n8dogg83]

30. Done. nt.

[in_cog_ni_to]

31. Excellent! Kicked it! Thanks! n/t

[MuseRider]

4. I wish we could all just let

their threads die. Nobody here is going to be convinced by what they say. We could just talk to each other and be happy or upset in our own threads and maybe they would just stop. We have the majority, we can lay our points out that refute what they are saying in our own threads and just not respond to them anymore. Most all of it is them trying to push us to the limit and then alert and try for the hide. Much of it devised elsewhere and the traps are laid and we fall right into it. I think we are better now but still, there really is no reason to be upset. We have a wonderful candidate and they are just side tracking us and draining our energy and trying to get us booted off the site.

Bernie can win but we need all our energy to make it happen. There are a lot of low information voters out there and Bernie is not going to have the press that HRC or the Republicans are going to have.

Against all odds we are going to win. We can do it.

I am going to my first Bernie meetup for the debate. I will be so pumped when I get home the last thing I am ever going to do is let the likes of the HRC campaign "FOR CHANGE" sidetrack me into feeling bad. Done with that.

[99th_Monkey]

5. +10 nt

[Baitball Blogger]

6. What I think about Bernie's situation is this:

Bernie was a registered independent for most of his political career. Granted, his political leanings were aligned with those of progressives. And that's the observation I bring to the table. He represents a group of self-exiled Democrats that cannot help him, unless they change party affiliations prior to the next primary in their state.

The political process is just so weird.

[kristopher]

15. "There is no party registration in Vermont." -- sec.state.vt.us

Do I have to register as a Democrat, Republican, Independent or some other party in Vermont?

No. There is no party registration in Vermont.

All registered voters can vote in the primary election—but can only vote on one ballot. You will be given a ballot for each of the major parties. You mark one of the ballots and put the remaining unvoted ballots into a discard bin. Which ballot you chose to vote is private and not recorded (except during the presidential primary, where voters must publicly take one ballot or the other, and their choice is recorded on the entrance checklist)


https://www.sec.state.vt.us/elections/frequently-asked-questions/voter-registration.aspx

[Baitball Blogger]

16. I certainly hope that that VT rule does not create a disadvantage for him in the National

elections. i.e New Hampshire.

It really shouldn't.

[kristopher]

18. Dean plowed this field in 2004.

[Fawke Em]

24. That's the way it is in my state, as well.

I'm not a registered Democrat because I don't have to be even though I always vote in the Democratic primary - I ask for that ballot.

[Cassiopeia]

7. The only polls that matter

are the ones voters go to.

[Bubzer]

9. Exactly right!

[stupidicus]

10. yep, that's a rinse and repeat of the last time

eom

[fbc]

11. Yeah, the media calling it for Clinton is the one thing we can be sure of

Some should tell them to "cut it out"

[Todays_Illusion]

13. The propaganda has decided to not report what the polls say at all. Where is all that polling

discussion for the just happened Republican poll? Not much anywhere. There are today, a lot of political articles dismissing Bernie Sanders before this debate happens and declaring Hillary to be the winner of the election, never mind that no vote has been cast anywhere.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/98c6fd82b5154d01ae2bc998f69d4f23/clinton-has-early-commanding-delegate-lead-nomination

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/hillary-clinton-is-the-most-establishment-approved-candidate-on-record/


http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/13/politics/bernie-sanders-mojo-democratic-debate/index.html

[LovingA2andMI]

19. Learned From Undergrad and Graduate Classes in Statistics...

Data in a Poll Can Be Manipulated to Achieve a DESIRED Result, and considering the Six MSM Corporations are tied directly or indirectly in Polling Data, plus they are not "Friends with Bernie" -- Suggestion: DON'T TRUST THE POLLS!

[nolabear]

20. I'm a Clinton supporter and your preemptive snark makes me mad.

Just so you know while you're talking behind your hand, there are people here who hate that kind of thing. It does no one any good, and your cause considerable harm.

[mak3cats]

22. And you're posting in the Bernie group, and therefore your comment makes US mad...

...thank you for refraining next time.

[LovingA2andMI]

28. .....

Good catch

[nolabear]

37. Actually I posted from a home page OP. Saying "Go back to your own kind"

Doesn't exactly convince me that Bernie supporters are worth engaging in actual discussion either.

[mak3cats]

39. Then I suggest staying away. Thanks!

[beam me up scottie]

44. Nothing Bernie supporters have posted can compare to the vile things HC supporters said.

According to Hillary supporters on DU Bernie is Israel's #1 shill, a racist, gun nut, scheming little sneak, scumbag, pandering phony braggart with some kind of emotional instability, tool for the NRA, Republican man with his head between women's legs, who protects the minutemen militia, pedophiles, racist cops, has rape fantasies, thinks that orgasms prevent cancer and is supported by Stormfront.

[Fawke Em]

25. Just because it makes YOU mad doesn't mean it's causing Bernie harm.

Trust me - it's not.

Now, take your own snark out of the Bernie Group and go back to your own protected group or that much-discussed hate site for Hillary fans.

Buh-bye!

[nolabear]

38. I have never said a negative word about Bernie. I'm interested in his message.

But some members of the contingent here make it really unpleasant to have any kind of discussion. Were the circumstances and people being addressed different, the "go back where you belong" attack would, I expect, be thought abhorrent. Are you all convinced you have enough support to insult and alienate we who might be interested in more than just trading insults?

[dreamnightwind]

41. Have you never seen how Bernie supporters are treated on the Hillary group?

Amazing that you would come here and complain about such, given what goes on over there.

For the record, I think we should be working to win over any interested and open-monded Democrats to Bernie's campaign. So kudos to you for expressing an interest in his ideas, and I hope you will consider them in good faith. You can always support Hillary in the general if she wins the nomination, but many of us feel stronngly that we have a better alternative this priary election and need to support it.

Peace.

[Fawke Em]

42. What I'm convinced of is that Hillary fans started

their own website where they proceeded to call Bernie supporters every name in the book. They go there to plot ways to alert on us, write their memes and speak extremely negatively of some very strong Sanders supporters.

I didn't save the links to the group, but other members here did and they can provide them for you if you don't believe me. I'm sure they even have some screen shots since I think the group has gone completely private now.

What I do know is that for all the media bloviating and Hillary fan hand-wringing about how "awful" and "pushy" Bernie supporters are on the Internet, Bernie fans NEVER did anything that low-down and dirty.

[beam me up scottie]

43. Do you support using another website to launch attacks on DUers just because they support Bernie?

Because that's pretty despicable imo.

[smokey nj]

40. You don't belong in this group.

[Bernin4U]

46. What, specifically, are you even complaining about?

Are you honestly claiming there is no media bias in this race, coverage is 100% fair, and it's all in our (collective) imagination?

[Fuddnik]

27. Since I'll be working during the debate, I'll Tivo it,

Maybe they'll poll me before I watch it.

[DianeK]

33. I just wonder how anybody gets anyone to answer polling calls..

I personally do not answer any call that I do not recognize so I will never be polled..and I realize it is just anecdotal but everyone I know handles their incoming calls in the same manner as I do. So how are they getting all these Hillary lovers to even answer the calls?

[Robbins]

34. Normally I don't answer calls i don't know on my caller ID

so I could be polled if asked.still i haven't gotten much except for 2 carson robocalls i hung up on.That Is almost funny me longtime dem getting a carson robocall.

[Bernin4U]

45. Who? People over 60 with landlines.

My mom got a cell phone over a year ago, and loves the convenience. She still dutifully answers her landline whenever possible. 100% of the calls to it are junk (if not outright scams). It's priced just cheap enough that she keeps it, "just in case".

[DianeK]

47. well..

i am over 60 and i have a land line as well as a cell phone..but like i said..with caller id, i do not answer a call i do not recognize..so i think your theory needs some tweaking and if it is only people answering these polls, Hillary might have a problem