NBC Poll This Week Shows Bernie Closing Gap Nationally to Just 16%. Thanks to Debates!

[sabrina 1]

And he has doubled his support among AAs from 8% to 16% as they get to know him. His ONLY problem was Name Recognition which is why DWS has done all she can to keep voters from getting to know him.

Even with her attempt to discourage people from watching the undemocratic limiting of debates, he STILL was able to get his message PAST her.

All those viewer polls it appears DO reflect what viewers think after seeing the candidates for themselves.

Lol, no wonder there is so much ANGST over those New Media Online polls.

And the flurry of polls we are seeing lately here is a desperate effort to try to make it seem like Bernie is not improving his numbers.

Those polls of course are not capable of gauging Bernie's huge support among voters who are not yet registered as Dems. But they get A for effort I suppose and we get to see how the old Traditional Polls are unable to adequately predict election results anymore due to their OLD METHODOLOGIES.

Thanks to Debates Bernie Sanders is Surging Nationally with All Time High Support

When examining poll numbers, it is important to consider the message behind the data. National polls are not good predictive tools for primaries, which are a series of individual state by state elections. However, the increase in national support for Sen. Sanders indicates that he is becoming more known through the debates, and his overall base of support is increasing.

The duration of the Democratic primary will be determined by the first four states. If Hillary Clinton sweeps the early states, she will roll to the Democratic nomination. Sen. Sanders needs to win or be close in Iowa and win New Hampshire by a sizable margin. If he does well early, Sanders could make this a longer contest.

The good news for supporters of Sen. Sanders is that the national movement behind their candidate is growing. Even if he fails to win the Democratic nomination, Bernie Sanders can take his new campaign back to the Senate and have millions of people fighting alongside him to give government back to ordinary Americans.

The Democratic primary is a no-lose situation for Sen. Sanders. He has become the most popular progressive/liberal in the country, and he is going to be influential in American politics even if he doesn’t win the Democratic nomination.

2015 has been a great year for Sen. Bernie Sanders

This generation's FDR!

Editing to add this quote from Bernie to Catherina for finding it:

There are times that one wishes one was smarter than one is so that when one looks out at the world and sees the problems one wishes one knew the answers and I don\'t know the answers. I think sometimes one wishes one was dumber than one is so one doesn\'t have to look out into the world and see the pain that's out there and the horrible situations that are out there, and not know what to do - Bernie Sanders

WHAT AN AWESOME PRESIDENT BERNIE WILL BE!

[merrily]

1. Great.

Every time I see that pic, I covet those choir seats.

[sabrina 1]

2. It's my favorite pic of Bernie!

[merrily]

4. Much as I admire him, those gorgeous seats distract me.

[sabrina 1]

12. They are beautiful. It is the chapel at the University of Chicago. Where he gave one of his

great speeches recently.

[merrily]

13. Quite a place. I visited at exam time.

[Volaris]

20. Intentional or not, that gave me a chuckle today.

'...at exam time.' Lol

[CentralMass]

3. Thank you for posting this. Those numbers look great. Better put on the flame retardent suit now ;-)

[sabrina 1]

7. Lol, facts are facts. Can't help it of they are inconvenient for anyone. I know they are trying hard

to cover up what they KNOW, I have suspected for a while that their internal polls are telling them that Bernie's support is far more widespread and strong than the old Traditional polls are capable of gauging.
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That is why we are seeing the stepped up attacks, the flurry of polls, almost hourly, trying to depress enthusiasm etc.

But they forget, this isn't the old days when they could control the 'message' through the Corp Media and the old traditional methods they were able to use to discredit and smear candidates without any pushback.

Today we have so many tools to undermine smear campaigns, to see for ourselves what is going on and they are 'puzzled' by the way their methods are failing, at least according to Chuck Todd.

[HerbChestnut]

5. Now we see the reasoning behind limiting the debate schedule.

Imagine the impact if the last debate had been held on a weeknight to maximize viewers.

[sabrina 1]

8. I think DWS HAS been imaging that and it scares to death so she bullies people OUT of

a fair chance to hear all the Democratic candidates because she knows what would happen. It is one of the worst and most disgusting displays of attempting to influence the election by a DNC leader I have ever seen.

Why their donations are down. And it's not helping her candidate anyone, it only energizes people to overcome that kind of authoritarianism and get the message out over her head.

[MisterP]

6. but she's winning the debates! that's why there's so few of them!

[Kalidurga]

9. That is a great picture

We need another President that contemplates like this.

[sabrina 1]

10. Yes, and we know he does think a lot about the people of this country. Many of his friends

over the years have said that he goes to sleep thinking about them.

[Kalidurga]

11. I suspect Obama is the same way.

I think Bernie is a lot like him in some ways. Not the GQ thing of course.

[KoKo]

14. Recommend....

[NorthCarolina]

15. It's getting harder and harder for them to keep the gap on their designer polls YUUUGEEE

and still claim integrity in the polling (even though I don't believe there's much integrity in the polling now).

[sabrina 1]

17. Those polls are old and not reliable anymore. They failed to predict several big elections

recently and acknowledge that they haven't kept up with new technology. The biggest flaw in those old traditional polls is their use of landlines. The use of landlines has gone down dramatically over the past number of years. So they admit they are leaving out huge sections of the electorate.

[NorthCarolina]

19. All I know is the polls touted by HRC fans sure don't seemreflect the reality of what I see and hear

daily out there in the real world. If Hillary is "winning" as so many of the polls say, then they must have all of her voters safely locked away somewhere out of public sight, and allowing only a handful or so to post here or vote on internet polls. Either that or the polls are just bullshit. I'll bet the latter.

[Helen Borg]

16. Sounds like Hillary is toast!

[Jack Rabbit]

18. I was waiting for this news all week

I suppose NBC acknowledges its membership in the establishment media club by releasing this poll over the weekend.

Bernie won the debate.

[sabrina 1]

21. It's odd isn't that Bernie wins every online poll, ever marker that tells us how interested

people are in the candidates, and only the old media says Hillary is the winner. And we must never forget that MSM lobbyists are working for Hillary!

[Jack Rabbit]

22. Frankly, I don't think that's odd at all

Not with Jon Cowan writing that there is no evidence of any populist appeal in the Democratic or Justice Kennedy writing in the Citizen United that there is no evidence that bribes generous donations from a corrupt industry corrupt or give the appearance of corruption of the crooked politician receiving them. Justice Kennedy and the other Supreme Shysters who signed on to thaty decision apparently spend too much time among members of Congress if he really believes that; Jon Cowan, founder of the Third Way, apparently spends too little time talking to rank-and-file Democrats if he really believes what he says.

No, it doesn't surprise me in this kind of environment.

[sabrina 1]

24. I agree, of course. What is remarkable is how no matter how many of these polls Bernie

wins, which is just about every single one, and with overwhelming numbers, we have a few people around here who try hard to dismiss them.

But it's getting more and more difficult to deny that Bernie, combined with a population that has had enough of the status quo and their horrible policies has become a real threat to the Establishment.

The constant, almost hourly posting of 'scientific' polls creates an image of desperation, the attempt to dismiss Bernie's growing support as evidenced in every single poll after debates, every straw poll etc, only adds to that appearance of fear that someone has arrived on the scene to challenge the status quo and looks like they just migh be succeeding

[AzDar]

23. K & R

[Duckfan]

25. I find this interesting

Not sure if anyone else posted this, but got this in my inbox. It seems clear to me from declining this event it only shows one thing: arrogance.


Dear MoveOn member,

This Tuesday, November 24, we're airing the MoveOn 2016 Presidential Forum, featuring questions from MoveOn members and answers from Senator Bernie Sanders and former Governor Martin O'Malley.

We invited all the candidates but, unfortunately, former Secretary Hillary Clinton has so far declined to participate. She's missing an opportunity to speak directly to and energize millions of us in this hugely consequential election—but that won't stop the other candidates from voicing their perspectives on the issues most important to progressives across the country.

Click here to automatically RSVP to watch the MoveOn 2016 Presidential Forum—then make sure your friends know about the forum too.

[sabrina 1]

27. So Hillary won't be at this forum either? She declined to be at the Justice Forum also.

She knows she cannot stand up to real debate. If she continues to do this kind of thing it is definitely going to harm her.

I guess she's a bit above us little people and doesn't feel she needs to mingle with us or explain herself to us even though WE are the bosses of this country she is asking for a job.

[orpupilofnature57]

26. Now there's a poll they won't go on and on about, anyone not Wooed by Demagoguery, heard what was

being said, Platitudes and plying both side of the fence is great campaigning and great for polls, but not for US .

[Jarqui]

28. Looking at one favorable poll for one candidate

strikes me as kind of cherry picking. Can't put too much faith in it.

I think Hillary got the boost many predicted from Biden dropping out. More of his supporters preferred Hillary to Bernie. But much of the Dem electorate and the general electorate is not very familiar with Bernie yet. It's too early for me to conclude much.

The polls over the next four weeks will be interesting. Can she pull out and run away with it (as might have started to happen in the last week from the terrorist attack) or will Bernie go back to steadily nibbling at her support? That's the gist of what I'm looking for.

[sabrina 1]

30. Now there is another poll showing Bernie gaining 9 points. He is continuing to trend upwards

while she continues to trend down.

I don't have much faith in any of these traditional polls. But if we are to go with them, Bernie is doing great, now into taking one third of the Dem vote. That doesn't account for people like, some of those I have signed up for Bernie eg. They will not be polled.

And many of his supporters are in open primary states and are either not registered yet at all, or are registered with Reubs, Greens, Indies, or are non voters.

Too many variables that are not taken into account by traditional polling methods, one of the most obvious being landlines, fewer and fewer people now use landlines which how these traditional polls contact voters.

[Jarqui]

32. I'm thinking of a batch of five polls over the next month

for Iowa and New Hampshire and I'd look at the national but not put too much stock in it at this point.

I think Bernie needs to win both those states and I think he's got to get them under control over the next six weeks or so because he has to have his campaign developing in the other states voting in February and March.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

29. The iceberg vote

Bernie is in a good position - the underdog and the more people who listen to him the more popular he will become. Right now we are only seeing the tip of the iceberg in the polls.

[Duckfan]

31. I don't have social media so....

Could everyone spread the word on Move-On's Forum this Tuesday? I'll look for all the time zones.

[orpupilofnature57]

33. Misanthrope Sycophant Monsters - MSM has 1 Boss, the 1% .