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In reply to the discussion: Portrait of a Badass who ate the president's lunch - and then walked away like a boss [View all]JCanete
(5,272 posts)154. well who do you think that is effective for? Getting into the mud and splashing it
on us as we try to rise above it has been the GOP mo for decades now and it has worked. I don't see how this wouldn't look to those who are either painfully confused, or are already in Trump's camp, like he's the one telling it straight and the Democrats are the ones who want to do "politics" in a back room, out of the public eye. That was how it seemed to me it might strike others, even while I understood that her argument was more about the delicate nature of negotiations and not burning it all down.
I appreciate that they didn't let his shit stand, but they COULD NOT let his shit stand and he graciously, stupidly, opened up the door for them so that they didn't have to do the very uncomfortable thing of interjecting or interrupting the President. He was certainly his own worst enemy here, except that he showed the restraint of a well mannered 5 year old for once and didn't actually have a melt-down as I've seen headlines suggest....or at least not during the exchange. And somehow he kept his bile and compulsion to insult and demean to a minimum.
That said, that's my main gripe. I don't know about the heaped on praise because I don't know how many points were scored, unless you want to count all of the establishment news sources that have been waiting eagerly for this kind of material to say SEE this is why we need Pelosi! If that's what you mean by shoring up her shaky base...I guess presenting a narrative that we have a fighter because she will stand up to Trump when he lies in front of us is something...but she already had the speakership locked up. Her hapless challengers from the right of the party showed just how tone deaf they were thinking they could just incite an uprising by saying "replace."
I'll take it as a win, and I'll take any coverage that says Trump is a buffoon and the democrats cleaned his clock as a good thing, though how much does that help if its just preaching to the choir. Which leads back to my issue with this. I don't think any haymakers were thrown, no knock-out punches...and Trump literally put his chin out there. If I'm scoring, of course Schumer and Pelosi won, but how could they not win? That is such a low bar, and the only thing we really got out of this was Trump owning that he would welcome a Shutdown, which he's literally already owned in the past. Its just that he doesn't care what he's said in the past, and won't care going forward either.
BUT what is being done is this democratic bubble of praise that is being liberally attributed to some sort of video game level fatality. Perhaps that's what so many people genuinely came away with from this(and maybe its because we really need something like this)...its just that given what I thought I witnessed, it triggers my cynicism more than a little.
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Portrait of a Badass who ate the president's lunch - and then walked away like a boss [View all]
EffieBlack
Dec 2018
OP
LOL!! Paul Ryan is a pretty low bar... not to take anything away from Nancy Pelosi.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Dec 2018
#101
Ma Kent made it for her after she got done with Superboy's cape. That is Nancy's Super Cape...
Hekate
Dec 2018
#98
She is awesome, but we need to remember shutting down the government has been
Eliot Rosewater
Dec 2018
#77
Just when I think I can love her more, she goes and says something like this...
PunkinPi
Dec 2018
#37
And THERE, Ladies and Gentlemen, is the nest Speaker of the US House of Representatives.
MarinCoUSA
Dec 2018
#32
They're both native New Yorkers - NOT looking him in the eye is the way to do it.
George II
Dec 2018
#120
One doesn't rise to be the Democratic Leader in the Senate without a "spine".....
George II
Dec 2018
#139
I wish we could, but that bumper sticker, like tide pods, have a long shelf life.
LanternWaste
Dec 2018
#64
thank you thank you very much ... make sure to tip the wait staff on your way out
Botany
Dec 2018
#130
Yes, it was almost as if he was thinking "I can't believe he stepped in it."
George II
Dec 2018
#119
God was I proud of her. She didn't take any of his shit like all the men seem to do.
pdsimdars
Dec 2018
#69
But one thing I disagreed with her was that she thought she shouldn't disagree with him in public
pdsimdars
Dec 2018
#70
DTs insisted the press be there, and now he is whining that she set him up by having the press there
Hekate
Dec 2018
#99
well who do you think that is effective for? Getting into the mud and splashing it
JCanete
Dec 2018
#154
totally agree with this, and said it myself elsewhere. We have the right of it. We should give
JCanete
Dec 2018
#153